I have the opposite problem from you; I practice like crazy and then I make myself too anxious to play ranked, or I can only stand to play a set or two
Every time you paused during this video was Perfect!! And you gave the viewers a “hey pay attention this part is important “ notifications. Thanks for the 🔥🔥🔥content
If I remember correctly, the difference between combo challenges and sample combos is that while combi challenges is just a list of 11 specific combos, the sample combos will you 3 different combos of varying difficulty for each of your characters main launchers.
This was a really motivating video for me as an intermediate player who often feels nervous or "not good enough" to interact with good players and show up to meet new people and learn. Really exited for T8 and this new experience having played T7 for a few years now. Awesome work at allways Phi.
My reason to first go to the practice mode is also to see how a character is behaving, and what cool moves they have, so i can decide if i am interested in playing a new character
Seeing this video a month into tekken and I now have opened my eyes to how I need to use it , I only used practice mode for throw breaks (I still struggle sometimes ) and BnB combos
Damn this is so dope. I dont have time to lab much so being able to streamline how to deal with certain situations so conveniently is a huge time saver.
On my goodness! Tekken 8's practice mode is very good from what I've seen. It'll make labbing things so much more convenient than before. This is great news.
Best thing to do is play the base game first for fun. Then learn some fundamentals of the game, do some matches online, critique stuff you did and go back into practice mode to review those mistakes, return to matches, review mistakes, look at other pro players and what they do, practice what you reviewed and what to fix, and then rinse and repeat. Continue to scrutinize your game plan and simplify it down. You’ll have your combos, your strings, your pokes and mixups, and match up knowledge with time and experience playing the game and consciously looking at your gameplay to review and practice fixes to how you play. Its a continual journey of improvement and more importantly enjoyment.
I learned by mirror matching in practice. While fighting the cpu I would try to copy the move the cpu does. Then Increase the difficulty. Find a bread and butter combo then learn how to branch or change it up. Eventually you will start to react and punish the computer. Now you've truly learned!! Can't wait for T8 !
I'm sure PhiDX will talk about it at some point but replays will be such a huge part of practice. Basically a "replay this exact same situation as much as you want"
Dude, I love your videos man. You tend to explain things as detailed as possible while at the same time **NOT** going too hard on the explanation itself so that someone new, like me, can understand and get the jist of thing’s immediately. Randomly want to point out that for the majority, as someone new whos playing Tekken for the first time, the community is very helpful with suggestions/tips and I appreciate the hell out of that. Good vid, liked & subbed! Thank you
The benefits to 1v1 coaching are obviously the dedicated breakdown of your gameplan and where to improve/work on. Getting minute to minute feedback and then going over your replays etc. Following online tutorials can often be a stab in the dark. Negatives are it's obviously expensive and unrealistic for the majority of people to afford who are looking long term improvement. And no matter how much coaching you get self improvement is the biggest component to improving. Coaching is just a way to get expert assessment along the way - but they cant lab for you, they can't practice KBD for you. And 1 hour sessions isnt enough time to practice drills or even develop extensive and comprehensive learning plans. There's gonna be 32 characters and you can spend 30mins simply discussing how the defend against a few moves for 1 character. The only problem, I see, with Streaming is you really have to dedicate yourself to the streamer's ecosystem. Which is also very time consuming (just to ask a few questions down the line). If youre able to take advantage of being part of a streamers ecosystem and play with other members of the Chat semi-regularly that could be a good road to go down. Im sure streamers do this sometimes but it would be good if Pros hosted tournaments for Subscribers (under whatever parameters they care to do). You could watch the matches and given detailed analysis that works for the individuals and the "class" as a whole. Especially with Tekken 8. You could make it a weekly or fortnightly thing. Might incentivise more people to subscribe.
24:00 This is exactly what I try to apply into anything new I'm learning; Finding the bridge that connects me with the process as smoothly as possible.
I'm a lab monster and I love trying to encourage myself in applying what combos I practiced out in the wild whether it's online or at locals/tournaments. :) makes it feel fun and rewarding!
You know it's kinda embrassing, but the reason why I started to use Practice mode as new player, was getting Lucky Cloe who spammed me with the low-mid spin kicks. I just couldn't deal with it. She won 3 games using just that, and mixing it with high. After that 3 games, I spend like 2h in practice mode trying different things etc. It's all about improving and wanting to ''know''
10:30 Fun fact: this has been a part of Tekken Overlay in T7 for years now. As well as the defense retaliation option that presses buttons against you on block.
To add, punishment training is really good to start off with. As I got extremely better due to it in T7. Do it for every character as they have programmed it to automatically pick a characters strong moves. Then like always the community will put out guides for characters. Use those to learn e.g ‘What are the strings/moves a JIN will do thats not in the punishment training mode’ & learn how to defend/punish against those. Everything else is not technically trial & error but “learn via combat”. You just have to get out there & fight pick up things when you play. Learn from this new replay feature too… You will lose this isnt to make you perfect, this is to make you prepared so when you get hit by something you know whether its your turn or not!!!
This was such a good video, thank you! It's so easy to race right past the practice features to get to the more exciting and glamorous things Tekken 8 has to offer, but competitively this is where the foundation is built.
I remember when I started learning the game, I printed out my character's entire move list so I could look at it even when I wasn't playing the game. I think the first thing I want to do with practice in t8 is go through every move MY character has, and commit that move list to memory. I don't need to know what every move does yet, but I want to at least know what each move is. If you were yo describe a move, I should be able to give you it's notation. If you give me a notation, I should be able to describe the move to you. I can worry about move properties, combos, punishment, etc later, but I want to able to identify every move I have before I learn to utilize every move I have.
Awesome video mate, you are inspiring hips of people to start or get back into Tekken with your videos. Personally I’ll be going balls deep into tekken 8 after 20 years or so without playing it, so thank you very much for all the wisdom you are spreading. Wish you the best dude 😊
Im not the guy for frame numbers and all this tekken terminology but I am a fighter and know and love the importance of training. Your videos have definitely helped me bridge that gap between my fighting mind and gaming mind.
The numbers are probably comparable to like biomechanics; figuring out how different submissions work or how different movements counter different attacks. In combat, we don't have numbers, just the options we've trained to execute!
@@PhiDX exactly that! I was explaining this to someone else. I do go in practice mode, punishment training, fight against people's ghosts who beat me, watch replays all that good stuff. I am taking frame data into account just without calling it frame data and putting numbers to it, just fighting and getting a feel for what works.
I've already thought of asking you for similar practice tips. The Knee's backdash exercise against Lei's string from last year was great! I will definitely be checking out Joey's channel, thank you so much!!
To add on the flow state and play by feel 100% agree. Cultivated that idea my time on Rocket League just doing free play and training packs. Apart from JoeyFury any other players or content creators t keep an eye out for T8 focus on labbing/analytical play
I live in the Lab of all Fighters I play just because I love messing around and creatively learning new things. I like it way more than playing matches unless I'm playing a competitive friend. That's also really fun for me. I'm gonna love this practice mode.
I agree heavily on needing a community to really get rid of the loneliness. At the end of the day, labbing things out is for the purpose of reacting to an actual human trying to use those moves, I don't think it's plausible to "see" every flowchart that can come out of that one starter by yourself. You need to experience more things to get more ideas and I think an integral part of that is getting involved with everything you can/want to be. I'll also add as addendum that offline tournaments tend to get treated with a lot more respect than online ones (I'm neutral either way) and I think one of the best/easiest ways to get around those nerves that will play a part is to just start immersing yourself into the community. All the new bells and whistles in practice mode are nice, I feel like most modern FGC games have started to try and give players more tools in them and although a lot of it may fly over our heads in the beginning, the fact that the information is in there is very useful for everyone. I especially like more loadouts on defense with different frequencies. Reacting on block to one specific attack string is hard, giving the cpu up to 8 different options that can look alike sounds extremely challenging to any level of player especially since basic Tekken has a tendency to rely on just a few openers from each character.
I'm a huge practice mode enjoyer. I've sunk about 2000 hours into tekken 7 and i'm pretty sure about 500 of those are practice mode hours. Not so much labbing characters i don't play but learning how to play as many characters as i can, that way i know what to expect from other players and i already know how to deal with those moves because i know what they are and when to use them just by learning the characters.
That was a good way to get into the conversation. Thank you for the video PhiDX. I am also very lazy to go to practice. Of course, I am an old timer and I'm pretty much familiar to traditional characters. The times I've hitted the lab, I really have gotten better. For example that time I crossed an Anna online and she destroyed me. I knew the guy and I knew he was going to be at the next tournament. So, I though that if I meet him I wanted to get revenge. So I went to the practice mode and found answers to the set up and strings. I met the guy in the tournament can you believe it? And I did so perfect side steps to her that I couldn't believe my eyes. Reve ge successful. So yes, practice mode is really important.
100% agree with everything said here. If you've already seen success in Tekken previously and have your own method for learning new characters and their gimmicks, you'll learn the new characters much more quickly than someone who hasn't necessarily because you've already learned the language of tekken overall. Learn how you best learn and optimize your experience going forward,
Man, good work. The the way you analyse these topics and especially pro matches is very interesting. If you decide to do character guides when the game come out, i will be looking forward into it.
What would be incredibly exciting for noobs and mediocres like me is if you could participate in an online match, enter practice mode, have the engine analyze your faults and mistakes, and then create a customized training schedule for you to improve. That would be the most thrilling thing ever! :D
I am one if those who enjoy labbing and don't bother too much with online umless it it pruvate sets with friends. Gaming, to me, is like readong and gymming, best enjoyed in solitude. But, to each their own 😊
Wanted to say ty, PhiDX. Its going to be cool finally jumping into Tekken and your vids will help alot with getting a jumping off point on this journey❤❤❤❤
As a person who doesn't think while playing the idea of "Flow State" Makes sense to me. I think me being an analytical person as a whole, this might be MASSIVELY useful for someone like me.
The point about familiarising is so important. I think everyone watching here who's played tekken for a bit has now reached a point where we can see a move once, and it's instantly in our data banks. We see it once and we immediately have an idea about it's potential properties. However, I don't think you need to go through the entire movelist. The "punishment training" gives you a curated look, and it's a pretty good selection imo.
Completely disagree mane, a really great deal of the strong tools in Tekken are safe moves. Punishment training won't teach you to swl ewgf, for example.
Hey phi I was your TO at the LCQ at TWT! Louisiana loves you bro! We share your videos in our discord all the time. Your content's really great! We wish you the best of luck with tekken 8.
Practice mode has ALWAYS been the thing I struggle with since I get so bored quickly or I don't know what to train, especially in a game like Tekken and I feel to overwelled with the laundry list of moves
holy smokes phi you are uploading like crazy! Looking forward to taking practice more seriously in tekken 8, I was a kazuya main in tekken 7 and it was my first fighting game I spent time learning past the point of just mashing buttons. After 3000+ hours, finally made it to fujin recently but there is so many matchups I struggle with and things I put off learning that really gated me from becoming a better player faster. Hopeful in tekken 8 to finally be making it to locals and becoming a wealth of information for less knowledgeable players as well as finally obtaining that sweet tekken god rank!
Is there a function to essentially export a scenario from a replay into practice mode? Also, if they allowed you to set the CPU action and have the CPU move as well that would have been amazing.
@PhiDX I think I heard you say that. Man, that's incredible! You can now play the game and then duck out to patch a weakness when you notice a player is consistently abusing something and not have to spend hours in practice mode to set it up and lab it. I love that!
4:45 is key. Like I always tell people who keep trying to learn Tekken by grinding ranked: you can't learn what you don't know, and you can't do what you're not used to doing. A lot of low ranked players freeze up during punishes or launchers cause they have to think. I had this issue with Bryan. CH 3+4 into nothing because 1. I notice the counter hit then 2. I have to actively remember what button to press which becomes 3. hitting db2 too late cause my hand isn't used to recognizing the counter hit. Sane with punishes...you might know what punish to use for certain moves, but your hand isn't used to reactionary button presses that your punish just get blocked. Repetition until recognition.
Lol remember when I offered to colab and train with u? I originally had Joey in mind but happened to stumble upon your video and asked u instead. Now, u doing a video with Joey talking bout the same exact thing I was talking bout to begin with! Shit is wild 😆😂
Would be cool to be able to record your own combos and share them for others to try and do them online. So far the only game I know that does this is GG Strive and its so great when you can skip the constant alt-tabing between the YT video and the game, instead having a notation AND an example WITH the input history.
Thanks a lot for this, I'm super interested in what the training mode offers, I love the lab so big factor in if I want to pick tekken up. Frame meter in sf6 is just so godlike hard to imagine going back to not having it. In the offense training the guy records his punish slightly late and only realises because it doesn't punish something he already knows it should be able to. I'd be super worried about how easy it is for that to happen and to get the wrong idea from testing scenarios, e.g. side step left seems to avoid the punish attempt but only because I recorded the punish a frame late.
Thank you for this video. Long time total casual player of Tekken 3 onwards. I have always struggled to practise mode and learning specific punishes and combos. An ”intuition” player maybe? I get cheeced in low ranks a lot and lose, but then I do way better vs. little better players. Sounds odd? …then there comes the next barrier: In neutrall I can hold my own, even be a little better but.. I always hated to learn combos, I despise to memorize a sequence that I do over and over and over. Id love to improvice every time, so my combo does 0-50 damge while opponents does 80 creating a barrier. (Little backround, when played with friend group before when online was, when opponents is lounced we considered hitting them in air or groud unethical, we always let to get up and then started fighting. It was bad manners to juggle someone 😆.. so the friend group I grew up to play Tekken had totally wrong mindset and I tend to this day let opponent recover from a lounch before I attack againg)
Idk if im doing this right or not. The way im labbing is set my opponent MOST USED moves. Like in ranked match rn I keep seeing certain character and most of this player will use the same moves. So I go to practice and set the most used moves and then practice it. Side stepping, duck, standing block and punish. after that I will mix the 4-5 moves that ive learnt and practice together so I can react to like low attack that gonna launch you.
Great information but damn, that guy wearing sunglasses indoors waving his hand towards dude next to him and dude needing to move his head lol. Take them off
support comment here ^^ man i wonder how much that remember feature is gonna impact combo artists and like the TAS/choreography channels. tekken 8 can't come any sooner :D
My own way of dealing with my Lucky Chloe, Katarina, and Josie problems was to wait until they were no longer in the next game. Something tells me this strategy won't be as effective in 8
I swear I'm one of the 10 people who like practice, all my friends already said day one they will hop on ranked, I'll spend the first day doing the story and freaking lab/arcade reina
not having matchmaking in practice mode killed labbing for me completly. i just play the game and learn, whatever i learn in matches. hope that changes now.
@@PhiDX i am aware. i mean it in like: i hope in reality, it was not just because i am lazy x) i love all the educational content you are putting out. thank you and keep it up my friend.
Hmm will probably figure out changes with my character and how to play against my friends’ characters so I don’t get overwhelmed. Then figure out others from our locals group. Now I will give curiosity about other characters more of a chance, especially as it relates their heat things
I've never played a fighting game before but because of your channel I know im going to spend at least 3k hours in tekken 8. Preordered the game. Locking myself in the basement. Let's go
Hey PhiDx just wanted to say thank you for the content been watching since i started tekken and this video today hyped me so much for tekken 8 and tekken in general that today i finally escaped green ranks so again thank you , You advice that tekken is a waiting for you turn game really helped
i'm not so sure about that replay feature... if i did something wrong in a match i know what i should've done or shouldn't have done , i don't need to recreate that exact moment to know what i should do because i have experience ...this feature will be more useful to noobies who never played tekken before, but for seasoned players it's not gonna help us much
Could someone give some advice on this: when practicing to beat certain options, you might learn move x is high so you duck, move y is punishable so stand block and move z is linear so you step. When trying to defend in the neutral, this feels more like forcing yourself into a 50/50 rather than shutting down angles. Take for example kazuya as the most common defensive advice in the game, side walk left because it beats both f,F3 and hell sweep. But when I try to implement this, it feels like I'm having to guess between the f,f3 and CD4 mix-up and the df2 and electric package. So it feels like instead of defending against kazuya, I'm just giving him free mix-ups.
I'm by no means good at this game, but there's another option that you can try: use pokes and keep-out to force them to slow down, giving you more space for movement.
They should keep expanding on the replay feature. Let players share their own replays and let others drop into their situations. Imagine the replay practice packs the community would put together. Don't know the Zafina match-up? Download the Zafina Trainer Replay pack and drill all the common setups and situations.
I have the opposite problem from you; I practice like crazy and then I make myself too anxious to play ranked, or I can only stand to play a set or two
People like me depend on people like you 😅 I think help can go both ways too!
same thought i was the only person who felt like this, I'm more stressed playing ranked then at local tournaments
Just play!
pressure made diamonds, just lose yourself in ranked, feel the heat and let it burn 😊
I'm right wit you
Every time you paused during this video was Perfect!! And you gave the viewers a “hey pay attention this part is important “ notifications. Thanks for the 🔥🔥🔥content
My favorite saying is "Real Tekken players live in practice mode". And now they gave us better way to practice too. Love it
If I remember correctly, the difference between combo challenges and sample combos is that while combi challenges is just a list of 11 specific combos, the sample combos will you 3 different combos of varying difficulty for each of your characters main launchers.
This was a really motivating video for me as an intermediate player who often feels nervous or "not good enough" to interact with good players and show up to meet new people and learn. Really exited for T8 and this new experience having played T7 for a few years now. Awesome work at allways Phi.
I always wanted to learn how to side step properly and with the replay option I can actually get to learn to do it. Big thumbs up
Newer to fighting games and new to tekken. I look forward to your future videos to help hone my game.
During the CBT I played a lot with a friend. And I forgot how many times I shouted "I need practice mode!" So excited about what they did here 😁
My reason to first go to the practice mode is also to see how a character is behaving, and what cool moves they have, so i can decide if i am interested in playing a new character
Seeing this video a month into tekken and I now have opened my eyes to how I need to use it , I only used practice mode for throw breaks (I still struggle sometimes ) and BnB combos
Tekken 8's replay and practice mode are actually ridiculous. Can actually have fun defeating the knowledge checks now!
Damn this is so dope. I dont have time to lab much so being able to streamline how to deal with certain situations so conveniently is a huge time saver.
Other streamers bringing up your name. You must be making a ruckus out there😂😂😂. Keep it up👍🏽👍🏽
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watching your videos has totally made me hyped to get back into tekken again after several years, keep up the content PhiDX doing amazing things
On my goodness! Tekken 8's practice mode is very good from what I've seen. It'll make labbing things so much more convenient than before. This is great news.
Best thing to do is play the base game first for fun. Then learn some fundamentals of the game, do some matches online, critique stuff you did and go back into practice mode to review those mistakes, return to matches, review mistakes, look at other pro players and what they do, practice what you reviewed and what to fix, and then rinse and repeat. Continue to scrutinize your game plan and simplify it down.
You’ll have your combos, your strings, your pokes and mixups, and match up knowledge with time and experience playing the game and consciously looking at your gameplay to review and practice fixes to how you play.
Its a continual journey of improvement and more importantly enjoyment.
I learned by mirror matching in practice. While fighting the cpu I would try to copy the move the cpu does. Then Increase the difficulty. Find a bread and butter combo then learn how to branch or change it up. Eventually you will start to react and punish the computer. Now you've truly learned!! Can't wait for T8 !
I'm sure PhiDX will talk about it at some point but replays will be such a huge part of practice. Basically a "replay this exact same situation as much as you want"
Dude, I love your videos man. You tend to explain things as detailed as possible while at the same time **NOT** going too hard on the explanation itself so that someone new, like me, can understand and get the jist of thing’s immediately.
Randomly want to point out that for the majority, as someone new whos playing Tekken for the first time, the community is very helpful with suggestions/tips and I appreciate the hell out of that.
Good vid, liked & subbed! Thank you
Man, this was an awesome video! Can’t wait to apply these concepts to Tekken 8 and looking forward to more great content from u as well PhiDX!
thanks for diving deep into this section of the event, this is so valuable as a complete beginner.
That flow state argument makes so much sense tbh.
GGXX+R was so exceedingly ahead of it's time. Pretty sure it's the only other game available with replays you can take over and interact with.
The benefits to 1v1 coaching are obviously the dedicated breakdown of your gameplan and where to improve/work on. Getting minute to minute feedback and then going over your replays etc. Following online tutorials can often be a stab in the dark.
Negatives are it's obviously expensive and unrealistic for the majority of people to afford who are looking long term improvement.
And no matter how much coaching you get self improvement is the biggest component to improving. Coaching is just a way to get expert assessment along the way - but they cant lab for you, they can't practice KBD for you. And 1 hour sessions isnt enough time to practice drills or even develop extensive and comprehensive learning plans. There's gonna be 32 characters and you can spend 30mins simply discussing how the defend against a few moves for 1 character.
The only problem, I see, with Streaming is you really have to dedicate yourself to the streamer's ecosystem. Which is also very time consuming (just to ask a few questions down the line).
If youre able to take advantage of being part of a streamers ecosystem and play with other members of the Chat semi-regularly that could be a good road to go down.
Im sure streamers do this sometimes but it would be good if Pros hosted tournaments for Subscribers (under whatever parameters they care to do). You could watch the matches and given detailed analysis that works for the individuals and the "class" as a whole.
Especially with Tekken 8. You could make it a weekly or fortnightly thing. Might incentivise more people to subscribe.
24:00 This is exactly what I try to apply into anything new I'm learning; Finding the bridge that connects me with the process as smoothly as possible.
Just wanted to say that I really appreciate all of the content you have been putting out. Even while in New Orleans you still had content coming out.
I'm a lab monster and I love trying to encourage myself in applying what combos I practiced out in the wild whether it's online or at locals/tournaments. :) makes it feel fun and rewarding!
You know it's kinda embrassing, but the reason why I started to use Practice mode as new player, was getting Lucky Cloe who spammed me with the low-mid spin kicks. I just couldn't deal with it. She won 3 games using just that, and mixing it with high. After that 3 games, I spend like 2h in practice mode trying different things etc. It's all about improving and wanting to ''know''
10:30 Fun fact: this has been a part of Tekken Overlay in T7 for years now. As well as the defense retaliation option that presses buttons against you on block.
To add, punishment training is really good to start off with. As I got extremely better due to it in T7.
Do it for every character as they have programmed it to automatically pick a characters strong moves. Then like always the community will put out guides for characters. Use those to learn e.g ‘What are the strings/moves a JIN will do thats not in the punishment training mode’ & learn how to defend/punish against those.
Everything else is not technically trial & error but “learn via combat”. You just have to get out there & fight pick up things when you play. Learn from this new replay feature too…
You will lose this isnt to make you perfect, this is to make you prepared so when you get hit by something you know whether its your turn or not!!!
Thanks chat gpt
@@lowtopiaYh lil bro, thats great and all but agree or disagree
I couldn’t agree more. It helped me climb ranks just knowing proper punishment.
@@Bestboymiles thanks I wanted to know of people felt the same lol.
Sad that others think an educated response is A.I thats scary lmao
I agree punishment training is essential. Everything else flows with experience.
This was such a good video, thank you! It's so easy to race right past the practice features to get to the more exciting and glamorous things Tekken 8 has to offer, but competitively this is where the foundation is built.
Hyped for Tekken 8, keep up the coverage
I remember when I started learning the game, I printed out my character's entire move list so I could look at it even when I wasn't playing the game.
I think the first thing I want to do with practice in t8 is go through every move MY character has, and commit that move list to memory. I don't need to know what every move does yet, but I want to at least know what each move is. If you were yo describe a move, I should be able to give you it's notation. If you give me a notation, I should be able to describe the move to you. I can worry about move properties, combos, punishment, etc later, but I want to able to identify every move I have before I learn to utilize every move I have.
Awesome video mate, you are inspiring hips of people to start or get back into Tekken with your videos. Personally I’ll be going balls deep into tekken 8 after 20 years or so without playing it, so thank you very much for all the wisdom you are spreading.
Wish you the best dude 😊
gonna spend so much time in practice mode, the 3 steps of every move of other characters is really good tip to remember
Im not the guy for frame numbers and all this tekken terminology but I am a fighter and know and love the importance of training. Your videos have definitely helped me bridge that gap between my fighting mind and gaming mind.
The numbers are probably comparable to like biomechanics; figuring out how different submissions work or how different movements counter different attacks.
In combat, we don't have numbers, just the options we've trained to execute!
@@PhiDX exactly that! I was explaining this to someone else. I do go in practice mode, punishment training, fight against people's ghosts who beat me, watch replays all that good stuff. I am taking frame data into account just without calling it frame data and putting numbers to it, just fighting and getting a feel for what works.
Learning get ups in situations and being able to reload an angle to paractise and really hone in optimal side wall combos. Cant wait
I've already thought of asking you for similar practice tips. The Knee's backdash exercise against Lei's string from last year was great! I will definitely be checking out Joey's channel, thank you so much!!
The combo content guides are gonna go crazy
Tganks for this video. Had no idea about this lab thing. Fairly new to fighting games so still learning
To add on the flow state and play by feel 100% agree. Cultivated that idea my time on Rocket League just doing free play and training packs.
Apart from JoeyFury any other players or content creators t keep an eye out for T8 focus on labbing/analytical play
I live in the Lab of all Fighters I play just because I love messing around and creatively learning new things. I like it way more than playing matches unless I'm playing a competitive friend. That's also really fun for me. I'm gonna love this practice mode.
I agree heavily on needing a community to really get rid of the loneliness. At the end of the day, labbing things out is for the purpose of reacting to an actual human trying to use those moves, I don't think it's plausible to "see" every flowchart that can come out of that one starter by yourself. You need to experience more things to get more ideas and I think an integral part of that is getting involved with everything you can/want to be. I'll also add as addendum that offline tournaments tend to get treated with a lot more respect than online ones (I'm neutral either way) and I think one of the best/easiest ways to get around those nerves that will play a part is to just start immersing yourself into the community.
All the new bells and whistles in practice mode are nice, I feel like most modern FGC games have started to try and give players more tools in them and although a lot of it may fly over our heads in the beginning, the fact that the information is in there is very useful for everyone. I especially like more loadouts on defense with different frequencies. Reacting on block to one specific attack string is hard, giving the cpu up to 8 different options that can look alike sounds extremely challenging to any level of player especially since basic Tekken has a tendency to rely on just a few openers from each character.
I'm a huge practice mode enjoyer. I've sunk about 2000 hours into tekken 7 and i'm pretty sure about 500 of those are practice mode hours. Not so much labbing characters i don't play but learning how to play as many characters as i can, that way i know what to expect from other players and i already know how to deal with those moves because i know what they are and when to use them just by learning the characters.
That was a good way to get into the conversation. Thank you for the video PhiDX. I am also very lazy to go to practice. Of course, I am an old timer and I'm pretty much familiar to traditional characters. The times I've hitted the lab, I really have gotten better. For example that time I crossed an Anna online and she destroyed me. I knew the guy and I knew he was going to be at the next tournament. So, I though that if I meet him I wanted to get revenge. So I went to the practice mode and found answers to the set up and strings. I met the guy in the tournament can you believe it? And I did so perfect side steps to her that I couldn't believe my eyes. Reve ge successful. So yes, practice mode is really important.
Amazing video! This the first time imma put in the work to be really good at a fighting game!
100% agree with everything said here. If you've already seen success in Tekken previously and have your own method for learning new characters and their gimmicks, you'll learn the new characters much more quickly than someone who hasn't necessarily because you've already learned the language of tekken overall. Learn how you best learn and optimize your experience going forward,
Love the coverage as per usual. Keep it up!
Man, good work. The the way you analyse these topics and especially pro matches is very interesting.
If you decide to do character guides when the game come out, i will be looking forward into it.
What would be incredibly exciting for noobs and mediocres like me is if you could participate in an online match, enter practice mode, have the engine analyze your faults and mistakes, and then create a customized training schedule for you to improve. That would be the most thrilling thing ever! :D
The training mode looks amazing, I'm so happy we got replay takeover. That's such a huge feature
I am one if those who enjoy labbing and don't bother too much with online umless it it pruvate sets with friends. Gaming, to me, is like readong and gymming, best enjoyed in solitude. But, to each their own 😊
I feel you on the gym and reading actually. That's a vibe
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Wanted to say ty, PhiDX. Its going to be cool finally jumping into Tekken and your vids will help alot with getting a jumping off point on this journey❤❤❤❤
Such a thoughtful and insightful video. Love this analysis and commentary.
I wonder in ghost battles, if they are gonna use pro players data to create a CPU version, it'd be cool to see
You can download them from what I've heard so you have other people's data.
@@ImInTheMaking yo I saw this Soo cool man
@@ItzVinChi idk if they also auto-update with new data if the owner updates it. I download ghost data of my hated players 😂
As a person who doesn't think while playing the idea of "Flow State" Makes sense to me. I think me being an analytical person as a whole, this might be MASSIVELY useful for someone like me.
If you can think outside of the game but turn it off in combat, that is huge
Almost at 21k and you got 20k like 3 days ago. 🔥🔥🔥🔥
The point about familiarising is so important. I think everyone watching here who's played tekken for a bit has now reached a point where we can see a move once, and it's instantly in our data banks. We see it once and we immediately have an idea about it's potential properties.
However, I don't think you need to go through the entire movelist. The "punishment training" gives you a curated look, and it's a pretty good selection imo.
Completely disagree mane, a really great deal of the strong tools in Tekken are safe moves. Punishment training won't teach you to swl ewgf, for example.
literally queued while this was in the background and got Lee on opposite side. Damn this video really helped haha. whooped his ass
I love practice mode this is huge!
Hey phi I was your TO at the LCQ at TWT!
Louisiana loves you bro! We share your videos in our discord all the time. Your content's really great! We wish you the best of luck with tekken 8.
I'm glad we met! Thanks for shouting me out :)
@@PhiDX If you're ever in Nola again lmk so I can give you the red carpet treatment!
Practice mode has ALWAYS been the thing I struggle with since I get so bored quickly or I don't know what to train, especially in a game like Tekken and I feel to overwelled with the laundry list of moves
I subscribed because you're very clever, intelligent actually. Respect
holy smokes phi you are uploading like crazy! Looking forward to taking practice more seriously in tekken 8, I was a kazuya main in tekken 7 and it was my first fighting game I spent time learning past the point of just mashing buttons. After 3000+ hours, finally made it to fujin recently but there is so many matchups I struggle with and things I put off learning that really gated me from becoming a better player faster. Hopeful in tekken 8 to finally be making it to locals and becoming a wealth of information for less knowledgeable players as well as finally obtaining that sweet tekken god rank!
Is there a function to essentially export a scenario from a replay into practice mode?
Also, if they allowed you to set the CPU action and have the CPU move as well that would have been amazing.
Yeah from within the replay you can assume control of either character at that exact moment
@PhiDX I think I heard you say that. Man, that's incredible!
You can now play the game and then duck out to patch a weakness when you notice a player is consistently abusing something and not have to spend hours in practice mode to set it up and lab it. I love that!
they've expanded practice so much, It'd be cool up you could upload and share CPU training settings for others. Or at least save some defaults.
Why am I not subscribed wtf, thanks for the passion.
4:45 is key. Like I always tell people who keep trying to learn Tekken by grinding ranked: you can't learn what you don't know, and you can't do what you're not used to doing.
A lot of low ranked players freeze up during punishes or launchers cause they have to think. I had this issue with Bryan. CH 3+4 into nothing because 1. I notice the counter hit then 2. I have to actively remember what button to press which becomes 3. hitting db2 too late cause my hand isn't used to recognizing the counter hit. Sane with punishes...you might know what punish to use for certain moves, but your hand isn't used to reactionary button presses that your punish just get blocked.
Repetition until recognition.
Been playing the game since it came out and had no idea about 'record status' WTF that's amazing 😭😭🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Me: Maybe now a can finally learn how to break that grabs???
King: "Fatherly Jaguar noises"
Lol remember when I offered to colab and train with u? I originally had Joey in mind but happened to stumble upon your video and asked u instead. Now, u doing a video with Joey talking bout the same exact thing I was talking bout to begin with! Shit is wild 😆😂
Would be cool to be able to record your own combos and share them for others to try and do them online. So far the only game I know that does this is GG Strive and its so great when you can skip the constant alt-tabing between the YT video and the game, instead having a notation AND an example WITH the input history.
👍🏾🫡 off to practice mode
Hi PhiDX. When Tekken 8 came out why not we do each character guide .
Thanks a lot for this, I'm super interested in what the training mode offers, I love the lab so big factor in if I want to pick tekken up. Frame meter in sf6 is just so godlike hard to imagine going back to not having it. In the offense training the guy records his punish slightly late and only realises because it doesn't punish something he already knows it should be able to. I'd be super worried about how easy it is for that to happen and to get the wrong idea from testing scenarios, e.g. side step left seems to avoid the punish attempt but only because I recorded the punish a frame late.
This was an awesome video! Subscribed 🙂
Thank you for this video. Long time total casual player of Tekken 3 onwards. I have always struggled to practise mode and learning specific punishes and combos. An ”intuition” player maybe? I get cheeced in low ranks a lot and lose, but then I do way better vs. little better players. Sounds odd? …then there comes the next barrier: In neutrall I can hold my own, even be a little better but.. I always hated to learn combos, I despise to memorize a sequence that I do over and over and over. Id love to improvice every time, so my combo does 0-50 damge while opponents does 80 creating a barrier. (Little backround, when played with friend group before when online was, when opponents is lounced we considered hitting them in air or groud unethical, we always let to get up and then started fighting. It was bad manners to juggle someone 😆.. so the friend group I grew up to play Tekken had totally wrong mindset and I tend to this day let opponent recover from a lounch before I attack againg)
I haven't played Tekken in years so i know my skills are very rusty 😄, New to your channel by the way
Idk if im doing this right or not. The way im labbing is set my opponent MOST USED moves. Like in ranked match rn I keep seeing certain character and most of this player will use the same moves. So I go to practice and set the most used moves and then practice it. Side stepping, duck, standing block and punish. after that I will mix the 4-5 moves that ive learnt and practice together so I can react to like low attack that gonna launch you.
We are ready the #labready Joey Fury tweets!
Great information but damn, that guy wearing sunglasses indoors waving his hand towards dude next to him and dude needing to move his head lol. Take them off
support comment here ^^ man i wonder how much that remember feature is gonna impact combo artists and like the TAS/choreography channels. tekken 8 can't come any sooner :D
Great video. Thanks for doing this.
11:33 I hope they have the Guilty Gear player made combo trial thing.
Joey is da man! great dude!
My own way of dealing with my Lucky Chloe, Katarina, and Josie problems was to wait until they were no longer in the next game. Something tells me this strategy won't be as effective in 8
🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿nothing to say just a life long casual tekken main trying to go at least semi pro,speaking it into existence here 😂
15:05 is there is a function/key that allows you to scroll to the next action for the CPU? instead of pause and set a new action every time..
I swear I'm one of the 10 people who like practice, all my friends already said day one they will hop on ranked, I'll spend the first day doing the story and freaking lab/arcade reina
not having matchmaking in practice mode killed labbing for me completly. i just play the game and learn, whatever i learn in matches. hope that changes now.
I think matchmaking has access to the full practice mode, it was that way in the betas
@@PhiDX i am aware. i mean it in like: i hope in reality, it was not just because i am lazy x) i love all the educational content you are putting out. thank you and keep it up my friend.
Hmm will probably figure out changes with my character and how to play against my friends’ characters so I don’t get overwhelmed.
Then figure out others from our locals group.
Now I will give curiosity about other characters more of a chance, especially as it relates their heat things
I've never played a fighting game before but because of your channel I know im going to spend at least 3k hours in tekken 8. Preordered the game. Locking myself in the basement. Let's go
Hey PhiDx just wanted to say thank you for the content been watching since i started tekken and this video today hyped me so much for tekken 8 and tekken in general that today i finally escaped green ranks so again thank you , You advice that tekken is a waiting for you turn game really helped
i'm not so sure about that replay feature... if i did something wrong in a match i know what i should've done or shouldn't have done , i don't need to recreate that exact moment to know what i should do because i have experience ...this feature will be more useful to noobies who never played tekken before, but for seasoned players it's not gonna help us much
Super helpful vid thanks!
I feel like when i play ranked , Idk when i should stop and practicing for hours
Could someone give some advice on this: when practicing to beat certain options, you might learn move x is high so you duck, move y is punishable so stand block and move z is linear so you step. When trying to defend in the neutral, this feels more like forcing yourself into a 50/50 rather than shutting down angles.
Take for example kazuya as the most common defensive advice in the game, side walk left because it beats both f,F3 and hell sweep. But when I try to implement this, it feels like I'm having to guess between the f,f3 and CD4 mix-up and the df2 and electric package. So it feels like instead of defending against kazuya, I'm just giving him free mix-ups.
I'm by no means good at this game, but there's another option that you can try: use pokes and keep-out to force them to slow down, giving you more space for movement.
I cannot wait to get off work I’ve got so much work to do
PhiDX who are you gonna main in T8?
Who knows my predict is going be Victor? i guess aura?
They should keep expanding on the replay feature. Let players share their own replays and let others drop into their situations. Imagine the replay practice packs the community would put together. Don't know the Zafina match-up? Download the Zafina Trainer Replay pack and drill all the common setups and situations.
Good. I do the same thing too. Is handheld be good to do this?