I have the opposite problem from you; I practice like crazy and then I make myself too anxious to play ranked, or I can only stand to play a set or two
Every time you paused during this video was Perfect!! And you gave the viewers a “hey pay attention this part is important “ notifications. Thanks for the 🔥🔥🔥content
This was a really motivating video for me as an intermediate player who often feels nervous or "not good enough" to interact with good players and show up to meet new people and learn. Really exited for T8 and this new experience having played T7 for a few years now. Awesome work at allways Phi.
If I remember correctly, the difference between combo challenges and sample combos is that while combi challenges is just a list of 11 specific combos, the sample combos will you 3 different combos of varying difficulty for each of your characters main launchers.
Seeing this video a month into tekken and I now have opened my eyes to how I need to use it , I only used practice mode for throw breaks (I still struggle sometimes ) and BnB combos
Dude, I love your videos man. You tend to explain things as detailed as possible while at the same time **NOT** going too hard on the explanation itself so that someone new, like me, can understand and get the jist of thing’s immediately. Randomly want to point out that for the majority, as someone new whos playing Tekken for the first time, the community is very helpful with suggestions/tips and I appreciate the hell out of that. Good vid, liked & subbed! Thank you
Damn this is so dope. I dont have time to lab much so being able to streamline how to deal with certain situations so conveniently is a huge time saver.
My reason to first go to the practice mode is also to see how a character is behaving, and what cool moves they have, so i can decide if i am interested in playing a new character
On my goodness! Tekken 8's practice mode is very good from what I've seen. It'll make labbing things so much more convenient than before. This is great news.
I learned by mirror matching in practice. While fighting the cpu I would try to copy the move the cpu does. Then Increase the difficulty. Find a bread and butter combo then learn how to branch or change it up. Eventually you will start to react and punish the computer. Now you've truly learned!! Can't wait for T8 !
I'm sure PhiDX will talk about it at some point but replays will be such a huge part of practice. Basically a "replay this exact same situation as much as you want"
Best thing to do is play the base game first for fun. Then learn some fundamentals of the game, do some matches online, critique stuff you did and go back into practice mode to review those mistakes, return to matches, review mistakes, look at other pro players and what they do, practice what you reviewed and what to fix, and then rinse and repeat. Continue to scrutinize your game plan and simplify it down. You’ll have your combos, your strings, your pokes and mixups, and match up knowledge with time and experience playing the game and consciously looking at your gameplay to review and practice fixes to how you play. Its a continual journey of improvement and more importantly enjoyment.
You know it's kinda embrassing, but the reason why I started to use Practice mode as new player, was getting Lucky Cloe who spammed me with the low-mid spin kicks. I just couldn't deal with it. She won 3 games using just that, and mixing it with high. After that 3 games, I spend like 2h in practice mode trying different things etc. It's all about improving and wanting to ''know''
24:00 This is exactly what I try to apply into anything new I'm learning; Finding the bridge that connects me with the process as smoothly as possible.
I'm a lab monster and I love trying to encourage myself in applying what combos I practiced out in the wild whether it's online or at locals/tournaments. :) makes it feel fun and rewarding!
To add, punishment training is really good to start off with. As I got extremely better due to it in T7. Do it for every character as they have programmed it to automatically pick a characters strong moves. Then like always the community will put out guides for characters. Use those to learn e.g ‘What are the strings/moves a JIN will do thats not in the punishment training mode’ & learn how to defend/punish against those. Everything else is not technically trial & error but “learn via combat”. You just have to get out there & fight pick up things when you play. Learn from this new replay feature too… You will lose this isnt to make you perfect, this is to make you prepared so when you get hit by something you know whether its your turn or not!!!
The benefits to 1v1 coaching are obviously the dedicated breakdown of your gameplan and where to improve/work on. Getting minute to minute feedback and then going over your replays etc. Following online tutorials can often be a stab in the dark. Negatives are it's obviously expensive and unrealistic for the majority of people to afford who are looking long term improvement. And no matter how much coaching you get self improvement is the biggest component to improving. Coaching is just a way to get expert assessment along the way - but they cant lab for you, they can't practice KBD for you. And 1 hour sessions isnt enough time to practice drills or even develop extensive and comprehensive learning plans. There's gonna be 32 characters and you can spend 30mins simply discussing how the defend against a few moves for 1 character. The only problem, I see, with Streaming is you really have to dedicate yourself to the streamer's ecosystem. Which is also very time consuming (just to ask a few questions down the line). If youre able to take advantage of being part of a streamers ecosystem and play with other members of the Chat semi-regularly that could be a good road to go down. Im sure streamers do this sometimes but it would be good if Pros hosted tournaments for Subscribers (under whatever parameters they care to do). You could watch the matches and given detailed analysis that works for the individuals and the "class" as a whole. Especially with Tekken 8. You could make it a weekly or fortnightly thing. Might incentivise more people to subscribe.
Awesome video mate, you are inspiring hips of people to start or get back into Tekken with your videos. Personally I’ll be going balls deep into tekken 8 after 20 years or so without playing it, so thank you very much for all the wisdom you are spreading. Wish you the best dude 😊
I've already thought of asking you for similar practice tips. The Knee's backdash exercise against Lei's string from last year was great! I will definitely be checking out Joey's channel, thank you so much!!
This was such a good video, thank you! It's so easy to race right past the practice features to get to the more exciting and glamorous things Tekken 8 has to offer, but competitively this is where the foundation is built.
I remember when I started learning the game, I printed out my character's entire move list so I could look at it even when I wasn't playing the game. I think the first thing I want to do with practice in t8 is go through every move MY character has, and commit that move list to memory. I don't need to know what every move does yet, but I want to at least know what each move is. If you were yo describe a move, I should be able to give you it's notation. If you give me a notation, I should be able to describe the move to you. I can worry about move properties, combos, punishment, etc later, but I want to able to identify every move I have before I learn to utilize every move I have.
Man, good work. The the way you analyse these topics and especially pro matches is very interesting. If you decide to do character guides when the game come out, i will be looking forward into it.
I agree heavily on needing a community to really get rid of the loneliness. At the end of the day, labbing things out is for the purpose of reacting to an actual human trying to use those moves, I don't think it's plausible to "see" every flowchart that can come out of that one starter by yourself. You need to experience more things to get more ideas and I think an integral part of that is getting involved with everything you can/want to be. I'll also add as addendum that offline tournaments tend to get treated with a lot more respect than online ones (I'm neutral either way) and I think one of the best/easiest ways to get around those nerves that will play a part is to just start immersing yourself into the community. All the new bells and whistles in practice mode are nice, I feel like most modern FGC games have started to try and give players more tools in them and although a lot of it may fly over our heads in the beginning, the fact that the information is in there is very useful for everyone. I especially like more loadouts on defense with different frequencies. Reacting on block to one specific attack string is hard, giving the cpu up to 8 different options that can look alike sounds extremely challenging to any level of player especially since basic Tekken has a tendency to rely on just a few openers from each character.
10:30 Fun fact: this has been a part of Tekken Overlay in T7 for years now. As well as the defense retaliation option that presses buttons against you on block.
That was a good way to get into the conversation. Thank you for the video PhiDX. I am also very lazy to go to practice. Of course, I am an old timer and I'm pretty much familiar to traditional characters. The times I've hitted the lab, I really have gotten better. For example that time I crossed an Anna online and she destroyed me. I knew the guy and I knew he was going to be at the next tournament. So, I though that if I meet him I wanted to get revenge. So I went to the practice mode and found answers to the set up and strings. I met the guy in the tournament can you believe it? And I did so perfect side steps to her that I couldn't believe my eyes. Reve ge successful. So yes, practice mode is really important.
Im not the guy for frame numbers and all this tekken terminology but I am a fighter and know and love the importance of training. Your videos have definitely helped me bridge that gap between my fighting mind and gaming mind.
The numbers are probably comparable to like biomechanics; figuring out how different submissions work or how different movements counter different attacks. In combat, we don't have numbers, just the options we've trained to execute!
@@PhiDX exactly that! I was explaining this to someone else. I do go in practice mode, punishment training, fight against people's ghosts who beat me, watch replays all that good stuff. I am taking frame data into account just without calling it frame data and putting numbers to it, just fighting and getting a feel for what works.
I'm a huge practice mode enjoyer. I've sunk about 2000 hours into tekken 7 and i'm pretty sure about 500 of those are practice mode hours. Not so much labbing characters i don't play but learning how to play as many characters as i can, that way i know what to expect from other players and i already know how to deal with those moves because i know what they are and when to use them just by learning the characters.
To add on the flow state and play by feel 100% agree. Cultivated that idea my time on Rocket League just doing free play and training packs. Apart from JoeyFury any other players or content creators t keep an eye out for T8 focus on labbing/analytical play
holy smokes phi you are uploading like crazy! Looking forward to taking practice more seriously in tekken 8, I was a kazuya main in tekken 7 and it was my first fighting game I spent time learning past the point of just mashing buttons. After 3000+ hours, finally made it to fujin recently but there is so many matchups I struggle with and things I put off learning that really gated me from becoming a better player faster. Hopeful in tekken 8 to finally be making it to locals and becoming a wealth of information for less knowledgeable players as well as finally obtaining that sweet tekken god rank!
I live in the Lab of all Fighters I play just because I love messing around and creatively learning new things. I like it way more than playing matches unless I'm playing a competitive friend. That's also really fun for me. I'm gonna love this practice mode.
Hey phi I was your TO at the LCQ at TWT! Louisiana loves you bro! We share your videos in our discord all the time. Your content's really great! We wish you the best of luck with tekken 8.
Wanted to say ty, PhiDX. Its going to be cool finally jumping into Tekken and your vids will help alot with getting a jumping off point on this journey❤❤❤❤
The point about familiarising is so important. I think everyone watching here who's played tekken for a bit has now reached a point where we can see a move once, and it's instantly in our data banks. We see it once and we immediately have an idea about it's potential properties. However, I don't think you need to go through the entire movelist. The "punishment training" gives you a curated look, and it's a pretty good selection imo.
Completely disagree mane, a really great deal of the strong tools in Tekken are safe moves. Punishment training won't teach you to swl ewgf, for example.
100% agree with everything said here. If you've already seen success in Tekken previously and have your own method for learning new characters and their gimmicks, you'll learn the new characters much more quickly than someone who hasn't necessarily because you've already learned the language of tekken overall. Learn how you best learn and optimize your experience going forward,
What would be incredibly exciting for noobs and mediocres like me is if you could participate in an online match, enter practice mode, have the engine analyze your faults and mistakes, and then create a customized training schedule for you to improve. That would be the most thrilling thing ever! :D
Great information but damn, that guy wearing sunglasses indoors waving his hand towards dude next to him and dude needing to move his head lol. Take them off
Lol remember when I offered to colab and train with u? I originally had Joey in mind but happened to stumble upon your video and asked u instead. Now, u doing a video with Joey talking bout the same exact thing I was talking bout to begin with! Shit is wild 😆😂
4:45 is key. Like I always tell people who keep trying to learn Tekken by grinding ranked: you can't learn what you don't know, and you can't do what you're not used to doing. A lot of low ranked players freeze up during punishes or launchers cause they have to think. I had this issue with Bryan. CH 3+4 into nothing because 1. I notice the counter hit then 2. I have to actively remember what button to press which becomes 3. hitting db2 too late cause my hand isn't used to recognizing the counter hit. Sane with punishes...you might know what punish to use for certain moves, but your hand isn't used to reactionary button presses that your punish just get blocked. Repetition until recognition.
As a person who doesn't think while playing the idea of "Flow State" Makes sense to me. I think me being an analytical person as a whole, this might be MASSIVELY useful for someone like me.
Practice mode has ALWAYS been the thing I struggle with since I get so bored quickly or I don't know what to train, especially in a game like Tekken and I feel to overwelled with the laundry list of moves
support comment here ^^ man i wonder how much that remember feature is gonna impact combo artists and like the TAS/choreography channels. tekken 8 can't come any sooner :D
Thank you for this video. Long time total casual player of Tekken 3 onwards. I have always struggled to practise mode and learning specific punishes and combos. An ”intuition” player maybe? I get cheeced in low ranks a lot and lose, but then I do way better vs. little better players. Sounds odd? …then there comes the next barrier: In neutrall I can hold my own, even be a little better but.. I always hated to learn combos, I despise to memorize a sequence that I do over and over and over. Id love to improvice every time, so my combo does 0-50 damge while opponents does 80 creating a barrier. (Little backround, when played with friend group before when online was, when opponents is lounced we considered hitting them in air or groud unethical, we always let to get up and then started fighting. It was bad manners to juggle someone 😆.. so the friend group I grew up to play Tekken had totally wrong mindset and I tend to this day let opponent recover from a lounch before I attack againg)
I am one if those who enjoy labbing and don't bother too much with online umless it it pruvate sets with friends. Gaming, to me, is like readong and gymming, best enjoyed in solitude. But, to each their own 😊
Thanks a lot for this, I'm super interested in what the training mode offers, I love the lab so big factor in if I want to pick tekken up. Frame meter in sf6 is just so godlike hard to imagine going back to not having it. In the offense training the guy records his punish slightly late and only realises because it doesn't punish something he already knows it should be able to. I'd be super worried about how easy it is for that to happen and to get the wrong idea from testing scenarios, e.g. side step left seems to avoid the punish attempt but only because I recorded the punish a frame late.
Idk if im doing this right or not. The way im labbing is set my opponent MOST USED moves. Like in ranked match rn I keep seeing certain character and most of this player will use the same moves. So I go to practice and set the most used moves and then practice it. Side stepping, duck, standing block and punish. after that I will mix the 4-5 moves that ive learnt and practice together so I can react to like low attack that gonna launch you.
Is there a function to essentially export a scenario from a replay into practice mode? Also, if they allowed you to set the CPU action and have the CPU move as well that would have been amazing.
@PhiDX I think I heard you say that. Man, that's incredible! You can now play the game and then duck out to patch a weakness when you notice a player is consistently abusing something and not have to spend hours in practice mode to set it up and lab it. I love that!
Hey PhiDx just wanted to say thank you for the content been watching since i started tekken and this video today hyped me so much for tekken 8 and tekken in general that today i finally escaped green ranks so again thank you , You advice that tekken is a waiting for you turn game really helped
Would be cool to be able to record your own combos and share them for others to try and do them online. So far the only game I know that does this is GG Strive and its so great when you can skip the constant alt-tabing between the YT video and the game, instead having a notation AND an example WITH the input history.
I've never played a fighting game before but because of your channel I know im going to spend at least 3k hours in tekken 8. Preordered the game. Locking myself in the basement. Let's go
They should keep expanding on the replay feature. Let players share their own replays and let others drop into their situations. Imagine the replay practice packs the community would put together. Don't know the Zafina match-up? Download the Zafina Trainer Replay pack and drill all the common setups and situations.
Hmm will probably figure out changes with my character and how to play against my friends’ characters so I don’t get overwhelmed. Then figure out others from our locals group. Now I will give curiosity about other characters more of a chance, especially as it relates their heat things
I swear I'm one of the 10 people who like practice, all my friends already said day one they will hop on ranked, I'll spend the first day doing the story and freaking lab/arcade reina
I gotta be honest, Tekken 7's practice mode was so basic that it's funny to see players excited with features that have been around for like 10+ years in games like Guilty Gear +R, Street Fighter 4 and 5, Skullgirls and some others. T7's training mode required so many workarounds to lab stuff that I just didn't feel like labbing anything.
100%. Tekken players don't branch out to other fighters often, and it's true because if they did they would've seen these years ago and would've demanded it from the developers much earlier. Everything that they're showing here is mind boggling to most tekken players, but little do they know this is BARELY scratching the surface and just meets the bare minimum of what i'd call "modern training mode" of today. I don't know who handles this stuff in Bandai Namco, but clearly they don't watch what other fighting games have been doing out there, and probably just skimmed them when making these. I'm honestly surprised they even added a few of these options on training mode, even if they're not that optimized. Just seeing how they handled T7 frame data and how harada's vision for the game is, I wouldn't have put it past them if they added none of these..
My own way of dealing with my Lucky Chloe, Katarina, and Josie problems was to wait until they were no longer in the next game. Something tells me this strategy won't be as effective in 8
i'm not so sure about that replay feature... if i did something wrong in a match i know what i should've done or shouldn't have done , i don't need to recreate that exact moment to know what i should do because i have experience ...this feature will be more useful to noobies who never played tekken before, but for seasoned players it's not gonna help us much
I have the opposite problem from you; I practice like crazy and then I make myself too anxious to play ranked, or I can only stand to play a set or two
People like me depend on people like you 😅 I think help can go both ways too!
same thought i was the only person who felt like this, I'm more stressed playing ranked then at local tournaments
Just play!
pressure made diamonds, just lose yourself in ranked, feel the heat and let it burn 😊
I'm right wit you
Every time you paused during this video was Perfect!! And you gave the viewers a “hey pay attention this part is important “ notifications. Thanks for the 🔥🔥🔥content
My favorite saying is "Real Tekken players live in practice mode". And now they gave us better way to practice too. Love it
I always wanted to learn how to side step properly and with the replay option I can actually get to learn to do it. Big thumbs up
This was a really motivating video for me as an intermediate player who often feels nervous or "not good enough" to interact with good players and show up to meet new people and learn. Really exited for T8 and this new experience having played T7 for a few years now. Awesome work at allways Phi.
Newer to fighting games and new to tekken. I look forward to your future videos to help hone my game.
If I remember correctly, the difference between combo challenges and sample combos is that while combi challenges is just a list of 11 specific combos, the sample combos will you 3 different combos of varying difficulty for each of your characters main launchers.
During the CBT I played a lot with a friend. And I forgot how many times I shouted "I need practice mode!" So excited about what they did here 😁
Seeing this video a month into tekken and I now have opened my eyes to how I need to use it , I only used practice mode for throw breaks (I still struggle sometimes ) and BnB combos
watching your videos has totally made me hyped to get back into tekken again after several years, keep up the content PhiDX doing amazing things
Dude, I love your videos man. You tend to explain things as detailed as possible while at the same time **NOT** going too hard on the explanation itself so that someone new, like me, can understand and get the jist of thing’s immediately.
Randomly want to point out that for the majority, as someone new whos playing Tekken for the first time, the community is very helpful with suggestions/tips and I appreciate the hell out of that.
Good vid, liked & subbed! Thank you
Damn this is so dope. I dont have time to lab much so being able to streamline how to deal with certain situations so conveniently is a huge time saver.
My reason to first go to the practice mode is also to see how a character is behaving, and what cool moves they have, so i can decide if i am interested in playing a new character
Tekken 8's replay and practice mode are actually ridiculous. Can actually have fun defeating the knowledge checks now!
On my goodness! Tekken 8's practice mode is very good from what I've seen. It'll make labbing things so much more convenient than before. This is great news.
Man, this was an awesome video! Can’t wait to apply these concepts to Tekken 8 and looking forward to more great content from u as well PhiDX!
I learned by mirror matching in practice. While fighting the cpu I would try to copy the move the cpu does. Then Increase the difficulty. Find a bread and butter combo then learn how to branch or change it up. Eventually you will start to react and punish the computer. Now you've truly learned!! Can't wait for T8 !
Other streamers bringing up your name. You must be making a ruckus out there😂😂😂. Keep it up👍🏽👍🏽
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I'm sure PhiDX will talk about it at some point but replays will be such a huge part of practice. Basically a "replay this exact same situation as much as you want"
thanks for diving deep into this section of the event, this is so valuable as a complete beginner.
Best thing to do is play the base game first for fun. Then learn some fundamentals of the game, do some matches online, critique stuff you did and go back into practice mode to review those mistakes, return to matches, review mistakes, look at other pro players and what they do, practice what you reviewed and what to fix, and then rinse and repeat. Continue to scrutinize your game plan and simplify it down.
You’ll have your combos, your strings, your pokes and mixups, and match up knowledge with time and experience playing the game and consciously looking at your gameplay to review and practice fixes to how you play.
Its a continual journey of improvement and more importantly enjoyment.
You know it's kinda embrassing, but the reason why I started to use Practice mode as new player, was getting Lucky Cloe who spammed me with the low-mid spin kicks. I just couldn't deal with it. She won 3 games using just that, and mixing it with high. After that 3 games, I spend like 2h in practice mode trying different things etc. It's all about improving and wanting to ''know''
24:00 This is exactly what I try to apply into anything new I'm learning; Finding the bridge that connects me with the process as smoothly as possible.
I'm a lab monster and I love trying to encourage myself in applying what combos I practiced out in the wild whether it's online or at locals/tournaments. :) makes it feel fun and rewarding!
To add, punishment training is really good to start off with. As I got extremely better due to it in T7.
Do it for every character as they have programmed it to automatically pick a characters strong moves. Then like always the community will put out guides for characters. Use those to learn e.g ‘What are the strings/moves a JIN will do thats not in the punishment training mode’ & learn how to defend/punish against those.
Everything else is not technically trial & error but “learn via combat”. You just have to get out there & fight pick up things when you play. Learn from this new replay feature too…
You will lose this isnt to make you perfect, this is to make you prepared so when you get hit by something you know whether its your turn or not!!!
Thanks chat gpt
@@lowtopiaYh lil bro, thats great and all but agree or disagree
I couldn’t agree more. It helped me climb ranks just knowing proper punishment.
@@Bestboymiles thanks I wanted to know of people felt the same lol.
Sad that others think an educated response is A.I thats scary lmao
I agree punishment training is essential. Everything else flows with experience.
The benefits to 1v1 coaching are obviously the dedicated breakdown of your gameplan and where to improve/work on. Getting minute to minute feedback and then going over your replays etc. Following online tutorials can often be a stab in the dark.
Negatives are it's obviously expensive and unrealistic for the majority of people to afford who are looking long term improvement.
And no matter how much coaching you get self improvement is the biggest component to improving. Coaching is just a way to get expert assessment along the way - but they cant lab for you, they can't practice KBD for you. And 1 hour sessions isnt enough time to practice drills or even develop extensive and comprehensive learning plans. There's gonna be 32 characters and you can spend 30mins simply discussing how the defend against a few moves for 1 character.
The only problem, I see, with Streaming is you really have to dedicate yourself to the streamer's ecosystem. Which is also very time consuming (just to ask a few questions down the line).
If youre able to take advantage of being part of a streamers ecosystem and play with other members of the Chat semi-regularly that could be a good road to go down.
Im sure streamers do this sometimes but it would be good if Pros hosted tournaments for Subscribers (under whatever parameters they care to do). You could watch the matches and given detailed analysis that works for the individuals and the "class" as a whole.
Especially with Tekken 8. You could make it a weekly or fortnightly thing. Might incentivise more people to subscribe.
Just wanted to say that I really appreciate all of the content you have been putting out. Even while in New Orleans you still had content coming out.
That flow state argument makes so much sense tbh.
Awesome video mate, you are inspiring hips of people to start or get back into Tekken with your videos. Personally I’ll be going balls deep into tekken 8 after 20 years or so without playing it, so thank you very much for all the wisdom you are spreading.
Wish you the best dude 😊
I've already thought of asking you for similar practice tips. The Knee's backdash exercise against Lei's string from last year was great! I will definitely be checking out Joey's channel, thank you so much!!
This was such a good video, thank you! It's so easy to race right past the practice features to get to the more exciting and glamorous things Tekken 8 has to offer, but competitively this is where the foundation is built.
I remember when I started learning the game, I printed out my character's entire move list so I could look at it even when I wasn't playing the game.
I think the first thing I want to do with practice in t8 is go through every move MY character has, and commit that move list to memory. I don't need to know what every move does yet, but I want to at least know what each move is. If you were yo describe a move, I should be able to give you it's notation. If you give me a notation, I should be able to describe the move to you. I can worry about move properties, combos, punishment, etc later, but I want to able to identify every move I have before I learn to utilize every move I have.
GGXX+R was so exceedingly ahead of it's time. Pretty sure it's the only other game available with replays you can take over and interact with.
Learning get ups in situations and being able to reload an angle to paractise and really hone in optimal side wall combos. Cant wait
Man, good work. The the way you analyse these topics and especially pro matches is very interesting.
If you decide to do character guides when the game come out, i will be looking forward into it.
I agree heavily on needing a community to really get rid of the loneliness. At the end of the day, labbing things out is for the purpose of reacting to an actual human trying to use those moves, I don't think it's plausible to "see" every flowchart that can come out of that one starter by yourself. You need to experience more things to get more ideas and I think an integral part of that is getting involved with everything you can/want to be. I'll also add as addendum that offline tournaments tend to get treated with a lot more respect than online ones (I'm neutral either way) and I think one of the best/easiest ways to get around those nerves that will play a part is to just start immersing yourself into the community.
All the new bells and whistles in practice mode are nice, I feel like most modern FGC games have started to try and give players more tools in them and although a lot of it may fly over our heads in the beginning, the fact that the information is in there is very useful for everyone. I especially like more loadouts on defense with different frequencies. Reacting on block to one specific attack string is hard, giving the cpu up to 8 different options that can look alike sounds extremely challenging to any level of player especially since basic Tekken has a tendency to rely on just a few openers from each character.
10:30 Fun fact: this has been a part of Tekken Overlay in T7 for years now. As well as the defense retaliation option that presses buttons against you on block.
That was a good way to get into the conversation. Thank you for the video PhiDX. I am also very lazy to go to practice. Of course, I am an old timer and I'm pretty much familiar to traditional characters. The times I've hitted the lab, I really have gotten better. For example that time I crossed an Anna online and she destroyed me. I knew the guy and I knew he was going to be at the next tournament. So, I though that if I meet him I wanted to get revenge. So I went to the practice mode and found answers to the set up and strings. I met the guy in the tournament can you believe it? And I did so perfect side steps to her that I couldn't believe my eyes. Reve ge successful. So yes, practice mode is really important.
Im not the guy for frame numbers and all this tekken terminology but I am a fighter and know and love the importance of training. Your videos have definitely helped me bridge that gap between my fighting mind and gaming mind.
The numbers are probably comparable to like biomechanics; figuring out how different submissions work or how different movements counter different attacks.
In combat, we don't have numbers, just the options we've trained to execute!
@@PhiDX exactly that! I was explaining this to someone else. I do go in practice mode, punishment training, fight against people's ghosts who beat me, watch replays all that good stuff. I am taking frame data into account just without calling it frame data and putting numbers to it, just fighting and getting a feel for what works.
I'm a huge practice mode enjoyer. I've sunk about 2000 hours into tekken 7 and i'm pretty sure about 500 of those are practice mode hours. Not so much labbing characters i don't play but learning how to play as many characters as i can, that way i know what to expect from other players and i already know how to deal with those moves because i know what they are and when to use them just by learning the characters.
Tganks for this video. Had no idea about this lab thing. Fairly new to fighting games so still learning
To add on the flow state and play by feel 100% agree. Cultivated that idea my time on Rocket League just doing free play and training packs.
Apart from JoeyFury any other players or content creators t keep an eye out for T8 focus on labbing/analytical play
holy smokes phi you are uploading like crazy! Looking forward to taking practice more seriously in tekken 8, I was a kazuya main in tekken 7 and it was my first fighting game I spent time learning past the point of just mashing buttons. After 3000+ hours, finally made it to fujin recently but there is so many matchups I struggle with and things I put off learning that really gated me from becoming a better player faster. Hopeful in tekken 8 to finally be making it to locals and becoming a wealth of information for less knowledgeable players as well as finally obtaining that sweet tekken god rank!
I live in the Lab of all Fighters I play just because I love messing around and creatively learning new things. I like it way more than playing matches unless I'm playing a competitive friend. That's also really fun for me. I'm gonna love this practice mode.
Hey phi I was your TO at the LCQ at TWT!
Louisiana loves you bro! We share your videos in our discord all the time. Your content's really great! We wish you the best of luck with tekken 8.
I'm glad we met! Thanks for shouting me out :)
@@PhiDX If you're ever in Nola again lmk so I can give you the red carpet treatment!
The combo content guides are gonna go crazy
gonna spend so much time in practice mode, the 3 steps of every move of other characters is really good tip to remember
Wanted to say ty, PhiDX. Its going to be cool finally jumping into Tekken and your vids will help alot with getting a jumping off point on this journey❤❤❤❤
Hyped for Tekken 8, keep up the coverage
Almost at 21k and you got 20k like 3 days ago. 🔥🔥🔥🔥
The point about familiarising is so important. I think everyone watching here who's played tekken for a bit has now reached a point where we can see a move once, and it's instantly in our data banks. We see it once and we immediately have an idea about it's potential properties.
However, I don't think you need to go through the entire movelist. The "punishment training" gives you a curated look, and it's a pretty good selection imo.
Completely disagree mane, a really great deal of the strong tools in Tekken are safe moves. Punishment training won't teach you to swl ewgf, for example.
literally queued while this was in the background and got Lee on opposite side. Damn this video really helped haha. whooped his ass
100% agree with everything said here. If you've already seen success in Tekken previously and have your own method for learning new characters and their gimmicks, you'll learn the new characters much more quickly than someone who hasn't necessarily because you've already learned the language of tekken overall. Learn how you best learn and optimize your experience going forward,
Amazing video! This the first time imma put in the work to be really good at a fighting game!
What would be incredibly exciting for noobs and mediocres like me is if you could participate in an online match, enter practice mode, have the engine analyze your faults and mistakes, and then create a customized training schedule for you to improve. That would be the most thrilling thing ever! :D
Such a thoughtful and insightful video. Love this analysis and commentary.
I subscribed because you're very clever, intelligent actually. Respect
Great information but damn, that guy wearing sunglasses indoors waving his hand towards dude next to him and dude needing to move his head lol. Take them off
Been playing the game since it came out and had no idea about 'record status' WTF that's amazing 😭😭🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Lol remember when I offered to colab and train with u? I originally had Joey in mind but happened to stumble upon your video and asked u instead. Now, u doing a video with Joey talking bout the same exact thing I was talking bout to begin with! Shit is wild 😆😂
4:45 is key. Like I always tell people who keep trying to learn Tekken by grinding ranked: you can't learn what you don't know, and you can't do what you're not used to doing.
A lot of low ranked players freeze up during punishes or launchers cause they have to think. I had this issue with Bryan. CH 3+4 into nothing because 1. I notice the counter hit then 2. I have to actively remember what button to press which becomes 3. hitting db2 too late cause my hand isn't used to recognizing the counter hit. Sane with punishes...you might know what punish to use for certain moves, but your hand isn't used to reactionary button presses that your punish just get blocked.
Repetition until recognition.
As a person who doesn't think while playing the idea of "Flow State" Makes sense to me. I think me being an analytical person as a whole, this might be MASSIVELY useful for someone like me.
If you can think outside of the game but turn it off in combat, that is huge
The training mode looks amazing, I'm so happy we got replay takeover. That's such a huge feature
I haven't played Tekken in years so i know my skills are very rusty 😄, New to your channel by the way
Why am I not subscribed wtf, thanks for the passion.
I love practice mode this is huge!
Practice mode has ALWAYS been the thing I struggle with since I get so bored quickly or I don't know what to train, especially in a game like Tekken and I feel to overwelled with the laundry list of moves
Love the coverage as per usual. Keep it up!
they've expanded practice so much, It'd be cool up you could upload and share CPU training settings for others. Or at least save some defaults.
support comment here ^^ man i wonder how much that remember feature is gonna impact combo artists and like the TAS/choreography channels. tekken 8 can't come any sooner :D
Thank you for this video. Long time total casual player of Tekken 3 onwards. I have always struggled to practise mode and learning specific punishes and combos. An ”intuition” player maybe? I get cheeced in low ranks a lot and lose, but then I do way better vs. little better players. Sounds odd? …then there comes the next barrier: In neutrall I can hold my own, even be a little better but.. I always hated to learn combos, I despise to memorize a sequence that I do over and over and over. Id love to improvice every time, so my combo does 0-50 damge while opponents does 80 creating a barrier. (Little backround, when played with friend group before when online was, when opponents is lounced we considered hitting them in air or groud unethical, we always let to get up and then started fighting. It was bad manners to juggle someone 😆.. so the friend group I grew up to play Tekken had totally wrong mindset and I tend to this day let opponent recover from a lounch before I attack againg)
Me: Maybe now a can finally learn how to break that grabs???
King: "Fatherly Jaguar noises"
I am one if those who enjoy labbing and don't bother too much with online umless it it pruvate sets with friends. Gaming, to me, is like readong and gymming, best enjoyed in solitude. But, to each their own 😊
I feel you on the gym and reading actually. That's a vibe
Cap.
I wonder in ghost battles, if they are gonna use pro players data to create a CPU version, it'd be cool to see
You can download them from what I've heard so you have other people's data.
@@ImInTheMaking yo I saw this Soo cool man
@@YNG_DaVINCI idk if they also auto-update with new data if the owner updates it. I download ghost data of my hated players 😂
Thanks a lot for this, I'm super interested in what the training mode offers, I love the lab so big factor in if I want to pick tekken up. Frame meter in sf6 is just so godlike hard to imagine going back to not having it. In the offense training the guy records his punish slightly late and only realises because it doesn't punish something he already knows it should be able to. I'd be super worried about how easy it is for that to happen and to get the wrong idea from testing scenarios, e.g. side step left seems to avoid the punish attempt but only because I recorded the punish a frame late.
Idk if im doing this right or not. The way im labbing is set my opponent MOST USED moves. Like in ranked match rn I keep seeing certain character and most of this player will use the same moves. So I go to practice and set the most used moves and then practice it. Side stepping, duck, standing block and punish. after that I will mix the 4-5 moves that ive learnt and practice together so I can react to like low attack that gonna launch you.
Is there a function to essentially export a scenario from a replay into practice mode?
Also, if they allowed you to set the CPU action and have the CPU move as well that would have been amazing.
Yeah from within the replay you can assume control of either character at that exact moment
@PhiDX I think I heard you say that. Man, that's incredible!
You can now play the game and then duck out to patch a weakness when you notice a player is consistently abusing something and not have to spend hours in practice mode to set it up and lab it. I love that!
This was an awesome video! Subscribed 🙂
11:33 I hope they have the Guilty Gear player made combo trial thing.
Hi PhiDX. When Tekken 8 came out why not we do each character guide .
Hey PhiDx just wanted to say thank you for the content been watching since i started tekken and this video today hyped me so much for tekken 8 and tekken in general that today i finally escaped green ranks so again thank you , You advice that tekken is a waiting for you turn game really helped
Would be cool to be able to record your own combos and share them for others to try and do them online. So far the only game I know that does this is GG Strive and its so great when you can skip the constant alt-tabing between the YT video and the game, instead having a notation AND an example WITH the input history.
We are ready the #labready Joey Fury tweets!
👍🏾🫡 off to practice mode
I've never played a fighting game before but because of your channel I know im going to spend at least 3k hours in tekken 8. Preordered the game. Locking myself in the basement. Let's go
They should keep expanding on the replay feature. Let players share their own replays and let others drop into their situations. Imagine the replay practice packs the community would put together. Don't know the Zafina match-up? Download the Zafina Trainer Replay pack and drill all the common setups and situations.
My body is rdy for Tekken 8!!! Knee Lever coming in the mail as well!! 🔥🔥👏👏#2moredays
Joey is da man! great dude!
Good. I do the same thing too. Is handheld be good to do this?
Hmm will probably figure out changes with my character and how to play against my friends’ characters so I don’t get overwhelmed.
Then figure out others from our locals group.
Now I will give curiosity about other characters more of a chance, especially as it relates their heat things
Great video. Thanks for doing this.
15:05 is there is a function/key that allows you to scroll to the next action for the CPU? instead of pause and set a new action every time..
I swear I'm one of the 10 people who like practice, all my friends already said day one they will hop on ranked, I'll spend the first day doing the story and freaking lab/arcade reina
Super helpful vid thanks!
PhiDX who are you gonna main in T8?
Who knows my predict is going be Victor? i guess aura?
I gotta be honest, Tekken 7's practice mode was so basic that it's funny to see players excited with features that have been around for like 10+ years in games like Guilty Gear +R, Street Fighter 4 and 5, Skullgirls and some others.
T7's training mode required so many workarounds to lab stuff that I just didn't feel like labbing anything.
100%. Tekken players don't branch out to other fighters often, and it's true because if they did they would've seen these years ago and would've demanded it from the developers much earlier. Everything that they're showing here is mind boggling to most tekken players, but little do they know this is BARELY scratching the surface and just meets the bare minimum of what i'd call "modern training mode" of today. I don't know who handles this stuff in Bandai Namco, but clearly they don't watch what other fighting games have been doing out there, and probably just skimmed them when making these.
I'm honestly surprised they even added a few of these options on training mode, even if they're not that optimized. Just seeing how they handled T7 frame data and how harada's vision for the game is, I wouldn't have put it past them if they added none of these..
My own way of dealing with my Lucky Chloe, Katarina, and Josie problems was to wait until they were no longer in the next game. Something tells me this strategy won't be as effective in 8
i'm not so sure about that replay feature... if i did something wrong in a match i know what i should've done or shouldn't have done , i don't need to recreate that exact moment to know what i should do because i have experience ...this feature will be more useful to noobies who never played tekken before, but for seasoned players it's not gonna help us much
👍🏾 Great work
Gettin pretty hyped, I really hope the online play is decent
🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿nothing to say just a life long casual tekken main trying to go at least semi pro,speaking it into existence here 😂