Tough Love: Adrien's Last Words
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
- This is the seventh in a series of AQP ride along videos. This one was filmed just a few day after the fatal crash of N7806W in Florida. The 21 year old private pilot had just taken delivery of an older Piper Cherokee for the purpose of time building. It had been several years since his private pilot checkride, when he encountered hard IFR conditions while enroute.
While we cannot put you in the actual aircraft to ride along on this fateful flight, you would not want to. I have obtained the actual ATC audio from the prolonged in flight event but have elected not to air that either.
Instead, with family permission, I have taken the opportunity to attempt to prevent you from ever being in this situation yourself. Our respects, condolences, and prayers are with the entire Valentine family and community during this difficult time.
The Valentine family will see this video, and I am sure that they will read each comment. Please consider leaving your own personal expressions and appreciation for their willingness to help others prevent future similar accidents even in the midst of their own devastating tragedy.
While it is not the job of ATC to be able to talk people down who end up in this scenario, they tried their best. However. there are some important takeaways to realize from this. Adrien was never exposed to actual IMC conditions. He never lost his instruments in flight. His instruments were fine for takeoff and initial climb. Once real IMC panic set in, his flight path became so erratic that it would appear to him at that time that they were "all" not working. While ATC thought that they were helping, their specific instruction to him to attempt to level the plane by leveling the control yoke was the wrong thing to say. They needed swift strong instruction to the pilot to find the attitude indicator and use it soley as a level reference. They also tried to get the pilot achieve wings level by referancing the whisky compass, a task both impossible and unnecessary.
My tough love is for those unknowing pilots, and non pilot parents that provided this aircraft without a way to restrict it's use. They thought that they were doing the very best for their child. My tough love is also for ATC that never realized that it wasn't the instruments that failed. My tough love is also for our flying community that fails to encourage pilots to obtain IFR and actual IMC conditions first hand, and to become confident in their ability to hold a heading and altitude while accidently in IFR conditions. Currently this is an AQP scenario, but not an FAA ACS maneuver.
Scott Fryar, at 42J was Adrians mentor.
Dana and Meredeth Holladay at their flight school reached out while the event was still in progress
Meredeth produced a video and sent me an unedited interview file to use as needed
and I appreciate that, see it here:
• Lessons From A VFR Int...
Derek was one of many pilots (8 total) that contacted me but was the only one that agreed to go on camera for the purpose of telling the story and maybe helping others. Here is his school web site: mlbflight.com/
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Taxing video. Your no BS attitude is what makes some hate you but it’s also what makes you a good pilot and a greater man. ❤
Thanks. It’s the haters that motivate me most. They can’t see that they’re actually helping the cause.
@@ProbableCause-DanGryder Maybe even you aren't perfect Dan, and you should actually give the haters less credit. They aren't worth it. They're a drag. You are the source of the truth. You tell the real story. Leave them behind.
Been such a long day for me, and for many others I’m sure. Bawling 😭, not just crying, I’m bawling….
@@ProbableCause-DanGryderAs with most hater’s they can’t see the forest for the trees, keep up the good work…👍
@@tbone1212 Their tree of pride wit rotten branches
I am 66 years old and took my last flight on my 65th birthday after 41 years of flying. Sold my plane soon after. So many great memories of time in a plane over this beautiful country. I had found my attention to training was not prepared for what could happen in flight anymore. Also, several pilot friends better than me perished in airplanes accidents in recent years for missing the little things. I took the funds from the plane and bought some land and a tractor. I remember being 21 and struggling financially to keep my pilot training going. But I made it through to the other side, including a couple situations like Adrian’s. So sorry for Adrian’s loss and his family’s heartbreak. This one hits home. Thanks Dan.
Working land on a tractor is therapy, indeed.
Great moose, I earned my ticket at 63, currently taking IFR training, I’d agree training is so important, and as a low time pilot, I see the issues that can arise by complacency. I’m hoping to fly as long as I feel competent, congratulations on 41 years of flying, enjoy that tractor!!
This is wisdom thanks moose,be careful on that tractor.ha ha
Dan is a solid dude, a regular person doesn’t put in all this effort, thank you Dan.
Best advice I can give as a pilot is never give up. Never, ever give up.
That advice is for all of mankind!! Never give up! Yes some jobs or hobbies are more dangerous than others and less forgiving but a life lost is still a life lost and one saved is priceless! God bless
@-_-DanGryder you’re a sad person, pretending to be Dan.
The saddest part of any tragedy is to let the lesson of it go unheard. Thank you for the video, can’t be easy.
Adrien’s last flight broke my heart.
I was flying that day in the area on my way to Nashville. I heard his initial call on 121.5 asking for help and immediately got chills. I was able to hear almost the whole interaction he had with ATC for about 20 minutes. I was really hoping he would get out of the soup. Once I landed I found out the devastating outcome and just couldn’t shake it off for the rest of the day. Aviation is very unforgiving.
My wife and I are having our third child this month. Last week when we went to our monthly appointment our doctor, knowing I’m a pilot asked me if I knew about Mr. Valentine’s accident I said yes. He said well I delivered him 21 years ago here in Gainesville. Life is precious.
I'm a new pilot at 59 years old and I have gone to the airport many times to go fly and upon arrival I looked at the weather, which had changed from the last Metar and turned around and went home. I have zero interest in tempting fate. Thanks Dan.
I've said hell no I won't go, several times in the last 50 years!!... Almost been fired for it, but I didn't care. Now I'm old and still alive👍
@@hotrodray6802 I think everyone looking to get their PPL should have to watch this video. It makes it real. I also think it honors the life of the lost pilot.
I'm a 55 yr old Man with a Wife and Kids all around the same age as Adrien. I have always been able to control my emotions. Listening to this Factual Story Broke me as a father and a Man. I'm still crying like a baby right now as I am writing this post. My Wife just walked into my office as I was watching this Video. For the first time in Our Marriage, (35 years), I didn't turn away from her and allowed her to see me in this state with tears running down my face. She didn't know why. I couldn't really speak, I just motioned to her to sit with me and replayed the entire Video from the start. Both of us are in tears still. I am so Sorry this event happened. My Prayer is Please God have every Pilot or student pilot go thru AQP and define in Stone, Personal Minimums. Sending all our Love to everyone who knew Adrien. Thank you for making this video. Bob and Darcy Jackson
Thanks Bob and Darcy. Hug your kids.
Pain and heartbreak, grief & loss…to control these emotions is to deny them. As humans, we’re designed to experience the full spectrum of emotions. They allow us to connect with others, the world around us, and more importantly- ourselves.
Allow yourself to be vulnerable. Give these emotions & feelings the permission to be here.
It brings us closer to our imperfect, messy, uncomfortable, and beautiful Human Self.
From the moment described it’s clear you and your wife love one another very deeply and I’ve no doubt that she’s grateful to have shared in that moment & spectrum of humanity with you.
Love to you both x
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55 yr CP here.
One thing that I learned in 1968 is.... If youre trimmed for climb or cruise and youve got 1,000 + AGL... turn the controls loose. Get off them completely.
The aircraft will stabilize itself back to the trimmed attitude/airspeed straight and level.
It flies better on trim than you can steer it !!!
THINK ABOUT IT.
My instructor made all his students fly "under the hood" enough to maintain attitude, course and speed and to make turns without visual reference for just this type of scenario. He told me to consider it bonus instrument training. To demonstrate why he did this he would tell you to close your eyes and then tell him whether we were in an ascending turn or a descending turn. Getting it wrong after being pretty dang confident gave me a lot respect for Spatial D. All students should be thoroughly taught how to maintain control by instruments and to be aware of this phenomenon.
This was mandatory training at about 15 hours TT when I learned to fly in '67.
Why isn't it being taught since 1970?
Please read my other posts 😎
I trained in the mid 80's at Watsonville CA, I lived in Santa Cruz, it could be clear as a bell in SC, but Watsonville could be covered with sea fog. That fog would come and go very quick.
My instructor emphasized trusting your instruments! Didn't solo until he felt that I was competent under the hood, and could land the plane, with all the primary instruments covered.
I'm still here...
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I've been working on my instrument rating for a little while and it's my opinion that flying in IMC is a whole different ballgame to being under the hood or foggles. The first time I entered actual (with my instructor, of course) I had about 15 hours under foggles and while I was flying pretty good (for an instrument student), as soon as we entered the clouds and he had me take off my view limiting device it became twice as difficult to keep the airplane under control. I never try to "cheat" but I think you get enough sensory information from light and shadow under a hood or foggles that it's actually pretty difficult to naturally get disoriented. My first time in solid IMC I was really surprised at how the attitude could change enough that it would be immediately noticeable in VMC but I just wasn't feeling the pitch or roll change. An incredibly eye opening experience for me.
This broke my heart. This is one tape I hope I never hear and that nobody releases. Rest well Adrien. May your loss save the lives of others.
It may save lives if they do
These tapes should be released. There's a famous tape out there of a completely panicked pilot who flew into a cloud and lost it big time. He was screaming he was going to crash into the microphone and that was basically it. ATC still calmed him down, and he was fine in the end. These tapes teach us a very important lesson - if you don't panic or give up your chances to live are actually pretty good, regardless of how hopeless it seems. That's why Dan is pushing on the fact that he gave up so hard.
To bring up a son with such empathy and decency is a great thing Dan. Much love from Scotland
I have said it before, and will say it again......... I wish this type of content existed when I was training. Thanks Dan.
In Canada, private pilot training requires a minimum of 5 hours of instrument flying... It is not great but enough to teach you to trust your instruments.
I'm a 65 year old non-pilot, except for the time as a teen when a friend of my Dad's took us up in a small single engine plane and let me take the yoke for a few moments from the right seat. So... Why do I watch aviation videos? The moment of truth. Dan's videos are like an extended moment of truth. Thank you, Dan. See... It's not just about flying here. It's about truth, life, death, and ultimately about what and who you love. My heartfelt condolences to the family in their loss and the others who tried their best to help. And to those that took the time to care enough with courage to tell the truth. God bless all.
Guys this is exactly what you should do for future videos. This is captivating tv. This is what you do to your family when you fail at aero decision making. Plus missing out on the rest of your life and what could be. Fantastic video Dan and son. Great team
This isn't TV dude this is as real as it gets...
Well done documentary Dan. I sure hope the youngsters out there see it and get it.
I was one of the major carrier pilot that heard the live event happening from the moment the young pilot encountered IFR conditions. It was gut wrenching and I have not stopped thinking about it. There were many moments where we were rooting for you to vacate conditions as we tracked you on Flight radar24. ATC did a tremendous job, also. Tailwinds and rest In Peace my friend.
This is so sad. I grew up in an aviation family. I just didn't have the stomach for it. I would fly with my dad or older brother after having completed ground school, and they would let me take the controls. I could not keep the aircraft straight and level except by staring at the instruments. The moment I tried to fly looking out, I'd be flying sideways and every other direction and attitude than what I wanted. Air sickness won out so I gave up any dreams of becoming a pilot. When this video was underway all I could say was, "He didn't trust his instruments." I wish Adrian had had my problem; instruments would have been his primary input. God bless and comfort his family. 😪
That photo of him standing by his plane and the beautiful sky in the background..
My heart is breaking.
Great job Dan and Dylan, very hard subject to cover, obviously.
I'm 67 in January. I don't feel it, but that's what it is. Every decision determines our destiny. Life isn't short....it's Fast. Condolences to Adrien's family and friends. R.I.P. Adrien. Thanks Dan.
Spot on Dan. Believe it or not, there are a few of us out here who know of what you speak, keep the faith.
Wow, that is a crazy sad story, and thanks Dan for all that you do!
As the father of two sons , and a grandson, this story makes me just want to wave a magic wand and bring this boy back to life ! 😢
Man oh man... What a gut-wrenching story. To the young man's family: Understanding the absolute terror and emotional overload of a situation like that is crucial to helping the next young pilot avoid the same kind of predicament. I admire the family for supporting the telling of this sad tale. An organ donation by the next of kin can help save one life, but telling this story could help save many. Adrien and his family will be in my thoughts for a long, long time.
Thank you Dylan for going down there and doing this interview. Your Dad's a crusty old dude like most of us but it couldn't be easy to talk to the loved ones of a young man your age who just died doing what you both love.
I‘m in tears Dan… both because I‘m an inexperienced pilot too, trying to learn from you and others, and because I’m a young father of two. As the story unfolded, I got so angry that ATC told everyone on the COMMs to shut up and then proceeded to give the obviously wrong instructions… It‘s just so heartbreaking that no one was really able to help out this young kid during the 20 minutes full of terror… Btw the production quality of this one is crazy good (not that I would personally care if it wasn‘t, but others might)
Hug your kids. Thank you.❤
IFR rating is one skill that made me appreciate how little my skills and aircraft were not prepared for fighting through IMC at the time, especially with a 6 pack.
Modern airliners make it look deceptively easy and have so much technology to assist the pilot.
Heart breaking
Dan, thank you for what you are doing. Prayers to the Adrien’s family. Keep on doing what you do, it’s the Lord’s work.
Simple sad, that the loss of so much was taken so quickly.
Dan, We appreciate your informative and straight forward videos. Some things in life do not require a sugar coating. Sometimes it’s a crap sandwich and we all need to belly up a take a bite. A sad story for sure but the information gained could save many. Dan from Ohio
“PERSONAL MINIMUMS” …, please be honest to yourself, fly safely and responsibly. Thank you Dan for what you do!
It’s tough watching this. But it is necessary.
Heartbreaking. I appreciate what you do, Dan. Deepest condolences to the family. RIP, Adrien.
How touching your program was tonight thanks
God bless you all for sharing, so others may live!! RIP Adrien Hard not to get emotional seeing this! God bless you DG
Deeply moving, very real. Lessons for much of life.
Greetings from Cape Town. Oh, how this story brings back memories. I lost a friend in a PA28 Archer on Saturday 18 February 1984, Frank Spencer and his family under similar circumstances. He was a water skiing instructor, but had only about 55 hour TT with PPL, and we were doing our licenses together a year or so earlier. How vulnerable you are at that level of experience! I am still flying with multi, commercial and IF, and still think about that incident often. So sorry for your loss.
Oh my, this is a sad one!
Seeing that twisty flight path made me think of something an old yachtsman once told us. One night he was motoring his sailboat in the fog off the coast of southern California. There was some kind of signal buoy nearby that had him spooked; his compass was spinning, and he wondered what kind of weird military buoy would screw up his compass like that. Being an experienced captain of his own sailboat, he had it fixed up with some simple aids. On the helm (a traditional spoked wheel), he had something fastened around the spoke that would be at the top of the wheel when he was steering dead straight. That night, his little indicator was at the top-- but he finally realized that the helm was actually turned 360 degrees. The indicator was indeed on top, but the boat was literally turning around in circles! Once that dawned on him, he turned the helm back 360 degrees, and suddenly the compass and everything was behaving properly. It's a good thing that, out in the ocean and up in the air, you are generally safe as long as you're away from land or other craft. And you don't panic.
I was doing instrument training and felt like I was in a 30 degree bank. The attitude indicator showed wings level, but I kept trying to feel level and kept turning. The instructor said “look at the attitude indicator” and I blurted out “I don’t believe it!”. Vertigo is a very strong feeling and difficult to overcome. That incident forced me to learn to trust the instruments and not the feelings of my body. To tune out my sense of balance, to become deliberately numb is still a little strange 30 years later.
I have never been at the controls of a real aircraft in IMC but very often in my home simulator. In the simulator, I don't feel any external forces so that makes me wonder if a simulator would be good or bad to practice IMC-flying? I don't lose control of the aircraft because I don't get fooled by external forces. But then, it's not realistic in that sense. I don't know.
Dan, this is a really tough one to learn about. A young man, so eager, but wasn't quite ready for the conditions he met. That so many were trying to help is a plus but sadly "experience is something you don't get until just after you need it."
Keep up the fine work you do Dan, its value cannot be measured.
Appreciate it Dan, and all you do. This was a very tough one to watch. Spatial disorientation has caused the demise of many pilots. 💔💯🙏
I took flight lessons out of Avon Park, Florida, in the mid 80's. Never got my PPL. I once foolishly took off for touch and go's in inclement weather. Entered clouds. Could not see anything outside the cockpit. Had tunnel vision on 3 instruments-vertical climb, speed, and attitude. After what seemed an age, I broke through the cloud and got that 172 on the ground. It shook me. Flying was never the same after that. The incident scared the crap out of me, I was certain I was going to die at 19. Decided flying wasn't for me. As I said, I never got my PPL, but my son Tom got his a couple of months ago. He is a lot smarter than I am.
I almost flew into it once in a traffic pattern of my home airport, as a student pilot, with my CFI in the same pattern at the time, with a different student. A cloud that was hovering around the crosswind turn - I went above it on the previous lap, and on the current lap it was a bit closer, so I couldn't outclimb it. It turned all white in one side window and straight ahead, but I barely managed to keep sight picture out of the other window as I turned on the verge of entering that cloud. That really showed me how easily it could happen anywhere, no matter how close to home. I was half a second away from transitioning to instruments, my finger was hovering over the push to talk to declare.
That is almost exactly my story too. It was instantly a risk I was no longer to take. And I race motocross!
Not being harsh here:
Too bad that you didn't realize that it was
1) poor judgement to take off... You did learn that quickly.
2) further training and experience is what you needed,
Not to give up due to fear of your lack of it. Everybody can learn. 😎
I had a lesson where I almost up in a layer of clouds. Luckily my CFI was there. It really throws your brain off!
Hey, I started flying out of Circle X Lakeland 1968 Cessna 150
Got to solo and a few hours more. Felt comfortable up there (in good weather), never felt in danger doing stalls, engine outs, etc. Liked it.
Even bought myself an old 1947 Stinson 30 years later and flew it back from Arkansas with my CFI AL. Spent time flying with CFI friends with really NO goal to get my PPL
Had owned 3 big sailboats in the mean time and really loved sailing as the principles are the same as flying. Decided airplanes are just NOT a practical thing.
Sailing is so much more fun and practical, and safe. If your engine dies, you put the sails up and sail home.
With 85 hours total, having soloed but never did finish my PPL, I am 100% happier going sailing.
Simply outstanding video Dan , RIP Adrian . 😢😢
Hey Dan, I think you are making a difference...not sure the numbers are great, but I was out flying yesterday and when flying into a stop over airport (non towered) and there were several taking off and landing. I actually used the radio more than ever before to make sure we all were talking and knew what each pilot was doing.
Perfect!
Around 1982 I was in a 150 with my instructor Stan Mays, may have been N757WA, at Gwinnette County Briscoe field, when it was a tiny non controlled 4500? ft. strip. Rental was $35 an hour wet.
I was under the hood to simulate IFR going straight and level or so I thought. My instructor asked why do you keep turning left? I said I'm dead level on the artificial horizon, which was off by about 5 degrees by that time. He leaned over and looked and said well, sure is. We then saw we had no vacuum, the pump had quit working.
You can't always trust the instruments.
true, but in imc you better trust the instruments than your ear canals.. if altimeter/vsi isn't working the airspeed indicator can tell whether you climbing or descending, compas can tell you the heading, etc.. there are alternatives for everything. these are normally taught during the ppl course.
Catching a vacuum failure was key to survival in IFR in the old days or on any panel today with vacuum gyros. Constant cross reference could catch it early. Covering the failed instruments was also essential, could be a serious distraction. Best advice: toss the old panel out and put in glass, a lot safer.
So many will learn so much from you, Adrian. Your life had great meaning and made our world a better place. Your message was heard loud and clear. You made a difference. Now, rest in peace. We'll take it from here.
As a fellow flight instructor, it deeply saddens me to observe such situations. The determination of whether it's a "go" or "no-go" day should be prominently displayed as placards in all training aircraft, underscoring the weight of this critical decision ("Is today a good day to fly?"). DTSB pick one or none!
I extend my gratitude to Dan for his informative videos and consistent reminders.
RIP Adrien, and my heartfelt condolences to his family.
Thank You Dan…
Death has a way of setting things straight, right to the heart. This is what you have dedicated your extreme efforts to and it is heartbreaking to feel like in some way, the word has not reached all of those who need to hear it. It's not the loss of the plane, the cost of insurance, the crticism of those who fail to regulate, It's the death and destruction left behind. Dan, keep giving out that tough love because that is easier to hear than this ever will be.
Great piece Dan. Very well done. Thank you.
Dan, thank you so much for what you’re doing. Also, you have a great son that will go far in life!
Your inner ear will kill you in a heart beat. My instructor let me do a takeoff out of Lebanon NH into IMC and I still can remember my inner ear throwing the alarms I was climbing to the left when the instruments said climbing to the right which is what I supposed to do.
One time in 50 years I had to fly with my head on my left shoulder for 40 minutes and trust my instruments.
Damn that was horrible.... My brain gyros tumbled, vertigo. 😱😱😱
Thank you Dan and thank you Dylan
God bless him and those who loved him.
Straight to the point. Keep doing that. We need this in todays world. To the point!!!
I think this is probably the best video you have ever done and I’ve watched almost all of them.
Keep doing what you do.
Good video production...intense.
Great video Dan, I’ve been waiting to see this one. So sad.
Thank you Dan for making this video......
thank you for this Dan.
Remember the old saying: It's better to be on the ground looking up at the sky and wishing you were flying. Than looking down from the airplane wishing you were on the ground.
Adrien was so young, so green, and there was so much he didn't know. It's remarkable he kept his airplane flying for as long as he did. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the airframe was overstressed and came apart in the air. But here is something else I noticed. Those vacuum powered gyros in N7806W were WW2 surplus and doubtless original equipment. They looked like they hadn't been overhauled in decades, if ever. Those old gyro instruments tumbled relatively easily even when they were in good working order, which these probably weren't. Look at the ADS-B data with all the abrupt twists and turns. I suspect both the DG and the AH had tumbled and were worse than useless to Adrien. Even worse, it's been my experience that those old electric T&Bs, like the one in N7806W, are often sluggish and sticky. Adrien may have had no reliable way to tell if his wings were level. Once he entered the clouds, he was doomed. It's just heartbreaking to contemplate. My condolences to Adrien's parents and all who knew and loved him. Rest In Peace, young pilot.
One of the best bits of advice I’ve heard is “level the wing”. If they can do that they are way ahead of the game in making it back.
How are you going to level the wings if you don't trust the artificial horizon? Guessing won't work
How about letting loose of all the controls and letting the airplane right itself?
THAT takes knowledge of and discipline to do it.
@@hotrodray6802That might work in a spin , but not a spiral dive .
Sad...
Sorry to hear of your loss.
During my IFR training in simulator my instructor turned off all equipment except compass. It was a nightmare, I crashed the "airplane" after 5 minutes.
Trim it and GET YOUR HANDS AND FEET OFF THE CONTROLS .
It will fly itself.
@@hotrodray6802 instructor told me to make maneuvers. It was okay during straight climb, descent and level turns. But after climbing turn everything goes wrong...
Impactful work, DTSB. Thanks for this short film.
Flying is an extreemly unforgiving activity. Always!!
The day actual IMC is required for an IFR rating it will be a good day. Going through training it struck me that for PPL you train for everything that shouldn't actually happen, for IFR the one thing the rating specifically qualifies you for is the one thing you're not required to train in.
Got my IFR rating at a school where I took off and flew in actual IFR with low ceilings and practiced approaches and in-route procedures with the instructor. The best instructor was the one who said nothing, scribbled quietly on his note pad, and let me do all the work. Learned a lot from him. I think he was first officer with one of the major airlines. I agree, some limited IFR might be good exposure for primary students as well.
Well done..... your videos are accomplishing your mission! THANK YOU!
That's a tough one to listen to. I'm an old man now but in my mid 20's I was a very low hour private pilot and not a very good one. I only managed to get about 300 hours total time before the economics of flying got in the way of any more flying. I managed to get a commercial license at about 220 hours. One thing I've noticed in following this channel is how many times I dodged a bullet and how over my head I was most of the time I was flying. I seldom watch this channel that I don't get goosebumps and shake my head and wonder why I lived through my flying days. I firmly believe that Dan, Dylan and this channel can save a lot of lives if they get the attention they deserve.
I can relate. I haven’t flown for decades but I’ve learned so much from Dan’s channel. Don’t know how I survived my flying days but I’m glad I did.
WOW man! Mad respect for you producing this video. Sincere condolences to the family of Adrien. This video WILL save lives. Thanks for clearing things up on how to recover from SD at the end. Very tough love, for sure.
I was just a few miles from Adrian the morning he departed. I was headed back to Louisiana in my 172 but decided it was a no go. Low ceiling, rain etc... I ended up waiting 7 days before leaving.
Absolutely gut wrenching to imagine what he went through, all of it unnecessarily. My heart goes out to those pilots who heard and witnessed this young man’s final moments and especially to his family. Rest easy, Adrian.
Thank you Dan. May this young man fly on in heaven.
Bravo Dylan and another incredible job on this Dan. You’re the best in the world at bringing the type of awareness at the right tone, attitude, and tough love that is needed more in GA. And for this we love we love ya. Awesome way to pay respect to a fallen pilot. RIP Adrien. 🙏🏼 #ProbableCause #AQP #DTSB
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Dan, thanks for trying to re-establish the flying common sense that my instructors taught back in the 60s.
They were pilots in 1938 and in 1948 and each demanded that this AQP stuff was mandatory.👍
Served me well these last 50+ years. Obviously im still here👍
I've been developing a strong impression through recent months and years at Aviation training was much better quality when I was getting it around 59 kava seemed much better, remember so many details that were pure safety oriented backup control methods oriented Talent oriented thinking oriented
Thanks Dan for putting this one together. It will help the ones who watch it be more careful about the weather.
The weather was always my biggest fear of flying. In Texas it could change really fast.
My heart really goes out to the family, I pray for them every day.
Sad to hear, but the story needed to be told. Thank you for spreading the word. So many accidents monthly in General Aviation over the past few years. Your devotion to spreading the safety message will truly save lives. Thank You, your a good man.
Heart wrenching production Dan. Message well put over with compassion. Lets hope it saves others. thanks
Created with love, compassion, empathy, and wisdom, this truly is an exceptional video Dan. Well done. Many will benefit from viewing it. God bless Adrien, his family and all those grieving his loss.
Great Job Dan! Thanks for all you do for GA!
Tragic. Thanks for all you do Dan. RIP Adrien 🙏✝️
I occasionally work with a teen aviation group and I am trying to get them to play this. We need to see and hear real life stories like this. I believe this will help reinforce the importance of ADM we have already been talking about and help us be better pilots whether training OR experienced.
Thanks for leaving this one up Dan.
I know you know this Dan but I want to repeat it. You are saving lives with every new video. Thank you! God Bless.
Great job Dylan!
Condolences to Adrien's family & friends, very sad indeed.
Dan, that was a very powerful and artful video. As usual it was very respectful while highlighting the cause.
Thanks, a tough story for all. Maybe it can help someone in the future.
Good one Dan, as i said 17 minutes ago i havenf watched for a while but youve given me the best , most neaningful portrayal of emotions and tech info for a while. Thankd
Sorry for spelling mistakes!
Utter sadness
Happy Thanksgiving Dan and all my fellow aviators!
RIP Adrian Valentine, and deepest and most heartfelt condolences to the Valentine family. I am truly sorry for your loss, and I admire and respect your decision to let the rest of the GA community learn from this tragic mistake in the hope that Adrian's loss will prevent others. Thank you.
Dan you do a wonderful job in such often trying and tragic circumstances but the lessons you raise will save lives !
Thank you.
I would like to thank the Parents for allowing this message to be public especially so soon after the tragedy. Sad is all one can say. At the same time this video, and the fact that professionals are being truthful with exactly what happened, and why- this is admirable and will help pilots everywhere inventory their skill sets and decision process. Rule one, always plan on NOT FLYING small aircraft in bad weather, live to fly another day. None of us are Superman nor are these aircraft able to withstand super forces of nature. That being said, we all make mistakes, he was young, eager and working towards his dreams. His death is being used to save many hundreds of pilots (from those with 20k hours to 60 hours), re-evaluate and bring the severity of every single decision made in the cock pit. Thanks to all who made this video.
Great post.
Very Sad. My condolences to the Family
Listened to the whole thing flying north from PBI. Absolutely a terrible thing to listen to. Although it ended tragically the JAX Center controller did an admirable job trying to help him. RIP.
Wow so sad…great report….peace
I think we need to seriously consider the next major step in aviation training. It’s time we mandate instrument rating for all pilots. This should have been done long ago.
AQP says mandatory actual IMC experience for all ppl.
For GA yes, and basic aerobatics. Also modernising the student training fleet to glass cockpits will save lives
I have mixed feelings about that.
On one hand, the additional training is invaluable. There is no substitute for actual IMC. Particularly, night time. If nothing else, it should scare a new VFR pilot into never flying into the clouds.
On the other hand, having an instrument rating and being proficient at IMC flight are two completely different things. It's possible that it could give people a false sense of security knowing that they are instrument rated, although maybe not current.
There are already regulations in place designed to prevent exactly this sort of thing from happening. Furthermore, this kid had no business having a pilot license in the first place. Flight instructors and examiners are supposed to be able to identify a students weaknesses and try to work on them BEFORE they cut them loose with their certificate! The FAA requirement is the minimum hours. If it takes someone 10 hours under the hood, then it takes 10 hours under the hood. Or if the student can't become proficient, then they just aren't cut out for flying and should pursue another endeavor. This isn't high school where you get to graduate solely for just attending.
It's sad when this happens, but it is just aviation doing what aviation does...
No. This will simply end up getting more people killed. It takes an appropriate aircraft and regular and proper training (multiples times each year) to have any hope of getting out of inadvertent IMC. This also takes a very serious time and financial commitment to just stay IFR competent. Few fair weather pilots will have the time, the appropriate aircraft, the motivation, or the money to truly stay IFR current.
Having every PP get an IFR rating will have more inexperienced pilots tempting fate because they think the rating experience will save them. it will not in most cases.
I have trained many pilots with an instrument rating who could not fly actual IMC. The rating means nothing if you are not proficient.
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