Know-It-Alls Finale | Survivor 46
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Know-It-Alls Finale | Survivor 46
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“And you are Rob, everyone is robbed” 😂
If Charlie won fire then Maria would’ve just come up with a different reason to not vote for him to win lol
Glad someone else said it 😂
@@scallywagnation3780 Rob literally said this
María would have just said “I just didn’t see that fire in his eyes so Kenzie gets my vote” 🙄
It was also her answer to Q’s question. Plus, y’know, being infinitely more charismatic helps too
Just shows she flies off the handle without Charlie’s strategizing. She couldn’t even tell him after the show what she wanted during the game (according to Charlie’s interview afterwards).
She was in the moment obviously and was a really great competitor but I don’t think she would have made it as far to prove that without aligning with Charlie and at the very least- she should have given him her vote to tie their own individual and full gameplay up. It was quite disappointing that she marked her alliance as weak at the end through her own actions when we all saw it was pretty solid most of the game.
If she was really a believer in “the fire within” she maybe shouldn’t have coupled-up to carry her through the game until she started winning.
If Maria went with her gut when she “saw fire” it’d have been more believable if she noticed it in Kenzie, Liz, Ben, & Charlie BEFORE final tribal. She saw it in Q - we all did. She should have seen it in all of her competitors if she used the excuse for a million dollar vote. Idk I’m rambling.
Don’t troll me y’all lol
Just my thoughts!
I come in peace ✌️🖖
The set up for "and you are Rob!" was fantastic.
stephen has some norm in him there
@@ryanmcclure5578rip
@@ryanmcclure5578highest compliment I’ve ever received.
I didn’t know if this was going to happen, and I’m so glad to see it. Give Stephen the Fishy for not abandoning us. These two together are better than pb & j.
Please never stop the Rob/ Stephen duo, I live for these recaps
Going to miss hearing this theme song all summer 🥺
Love that Stephen still has so much to say and discuss with Rob! He’s really embraced not being able to go live immediately after an episode. Extra refreshed!
12:06 I personally enjoy villains when they acknowledge that they’re villains. When they own their villainous behavior instead of trying to convince everyone that no actually they’re the hero, or the victim. Self-awareness is the difference for me.
It’s why I was able to enjoy Liz when she started emerging in the back half of the season, because she admitted in a confessional that she knows she has a big ego. Or Venus in the first episode saying something like, “How dare you accuse me of doing the thing that I’m doing,” or however she phrased it.
Vs. people like Tevin or Maria, whose actions and attitudes don’t line up with the way they talk about themselves.
Same, same, same, same, every bit of this 👆👆. And everyone saying the Maria reactions are inappropriate aren’t realizing that’s the difference. She’s trying to fool us and if she was just honest we’d accept it far more easily.
@@saltandpepper986Yep! The only fan reactions I don’t agree with are the ones engaging with her directly, especially the calls and texts. But like, I’m not even tweeting at her or saying anything in her replies. I just express my opinions in the survivor hashtags and with other fans, and if she wants to know my thoughts she can find them on her own. (Which apparently she did, because she blocked me. 🤷♀️)
@@JNDReacts oh good grief, the block is so ridiculous when mute is an option. Big fan of the mute here. Like, live and let live but protect oneself if absolutely necessary. Discernment is key. I guess her discernment, hahaha, revealed a lot on the end though!
Discourse is perfectly acceptable and absolutely something they all would have certainly been aware of before embarking. Threats are not. Can’t believe it needs to be said. Thanks for your thoughts!
So many points you guys made were valid. Charlie could have won IF: 👇
1) He lied about his profession from day 1 and picked a more “humble” career and home-life / background story
2) He took Maria aside before tribal council on the night he knew she was leaving and opened up to her about the details of how and why he was working against her behind the scenes…and focused on flattering her throughout and respecting her enough that he didn’t want her to feel blindsided at the FTC or at Ponderosa about anything
3) He threw Kenzie under the bus at FTC - he should have exposed that the Tiff blindside was actually her idea and she was super mad when him and Maria cut her out of it. He wasn’t willing to undermine her or Ben’s games at FTC and that’s exactly what Dee and YamYam did at theirs.
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I think this would have guaranteed the win for him but to really seal the deal, he could have also 👇
4) Begged Ben to put him in fire
I loved how much fun the two of you had in this podcast❤
I've been looking forward this Know-It-Alls so much.
❤ Stephen’s thesis that we were all robbed! The audience was robbed from seeing 2 of the final 4’s gameplay (Liz and Ben). With 90min episodes how is this not incredibly disappointing??
Thank you! I really needed to hear from you and Stephen one more time before the season could feel complete
I don't believe a word Maria says lol
@@me_kimbark thank you!!! 🙏
stevennnnnnn!!!!! let's go!! have been waiting patiently for this the whole week!
I'd say that a few jury members voted for Tony in Cagayan that didn't really care for him at the time of the vote and that his strategy is really what earned him the win.
I think the genius with Tony is that he understands who he can get away with backstabbing and still earning their vote vs who he needs to stay loyal and open with in order to gain their vote. He adapted and played 2 totally different games both times he won and it’s because he had a great intuition and a really good understanding of people and how to read them.
8 days later 🤣 hey it's better than nothing. Thanks rob!
I didn't watch the finale until today anyway. It couldn't have come at a better time for me.
Great season guys! I could not wait for this episode to drop. A Survivor season just ain't complete without hearing from my favorite Know It Alls complete with the podcast theme song and a hearty WOOOO thrown in from Fishbach 😂😂 Love you guys. ❤️❤️
Stephen couldn't have said it better. Charlie played a great game (correct), Maria challenge robbed (correct), Kenzie robbed by being overshadowed by Maria pettiness (correct), Ben robbed not getting to make case (correct), not sure about the Liz one lmao. The challenge nonsense and Maria vote definitely overshadow the fact that Kenzie is a good winner who played a good game.
stephen looking so good after vacay
We need more summer SPF50 Stephen!
yayyy im so glad you did a know it alls even tho its late cause of scheduling :)) love stephens takes and its always great chemistry with you two
My conspiracy theory for the emphasis on timers at FTC: the post show pizzas got delivered early and were getting cold.
I wasn't a fan of Q's question especially the way it seemed to impact on how some of the jury voted.
Been WAITING for this pod
Charlie’s game is held to a completely different standard than Kenzie. He has to be a strategic mastermind, and it’s still not enough; meanwhile Kenzie doesn’t really have any strategic impact and all she has to do is get to the end.
I think you’re being too extreme
Nah, this is dead on. So true. Charlie got robbed AFFFFF
Right - women in seasons past get taken to the end and it’s a great strategic move but when a guy does it it’s “why didn’t you make fire?”
Charlie got a lot of votes though. He was SO close to winning. You say this as if it was a blowout and he got no votes. People definitely respected his game! However, overall the majority respected Kenzies social game. This game is a social strategy game after all. Her social attitude and ability to make friends in the jury WAS her STRATEGY. It doesn’t make it any less valid that she was not actively scheming and conniving as much as Charlie during the game
@@jaykay1899 ok fair point. I am just bitter bc I so feel Charlie was robbed. Not discrediting Kenzie’s game, frankly if I ever get to play my game will be so much more like hers than Charlie lol.
also something that no one is talking with the individual immunity challenge is that this being allowed could’ve allowed someone to sabotage somebody else’s chance at winning immunity. like Liz could’ve acted like she was helping Kenzie but instead tried to ruin Kenzie’s chances at winning immunity to help Maria or something. say her and Maria were in some secret alliance, she could’ve tried to sabotage Kenzie by taking a long time to run and get the puzzle or counted the wrong number on purpose to help Maria win immunity
Exactly. It’s such an important part of the end of the game that I’d say it’s even grounds for being ejected from the game entirely. It’s arguably worse than punching someone because losing the challenge could cost them a million dollars.
We’ll miss you Fischbach. Tocantins legend forever
You know what's crazy? Both of you are on my season 50 wishlist alongside Q, Christopher and Omar
29:55 oh my god Stephen. I am dying 😂
I was under the assumption season 50 was going to be only new era players returning, because there will be enough people to bring in that didn’t have enough screen time or competition time for whatever reason.
Saying this, I totally will be looking for the 3 picks for each season and appreciate all the work he will be doing!! I’m sure all of us Survivor fans will too!! Isn’t that like a sports thing? Fantasy or the basketball guessing game thing? Omg obviously I don’t know sportsball.
Buttttt maybe Survivor producers will take note of y’all’s hard work for the ballot & our votes ;)
I love the two of you and your commentary! Thanks!
wow...due to everyone bringing up Rob's voting history I am rewatching survivor amazon. i had no clue rob was such a "bro" back in the day. Talking about "camp vagina monologues and "Heidi could put viagra out of business "
LMBO
Greg from season one, on survivor, would be amazing
He was the first to come to mind when Borneo was mentioned, and then Rob immediately said “who, Greg?” Lmao
The different tribal councils were very cool back when they moved locations and each season had a theme. I remember the Heroes Villains tribal was especially cool and iconic.
33:30 Rob I think generally you are correct but Abi-Maria did vote for Denise in Philippines and it seemed pretty clear that they did not like each other
But she hated Lisa and Skupin MORE!
@@rhap Facts!
Damn missed it by an hour...
Also, winning fire-making is a terrible reason to vote for someone tbh. It doesn't have anything to do with their overall gameplay and was literally only invented so Ben Driebergen could win survivor HHH lol.
Gotta love the Howard Dean scream
If Charlie had beaten Liz at fire Liz wouldn’t have voted for him. Charlie needed to beat Kenzie at fire to win the game
We’ve seen people help on individual immunity before! I wasn’t upset by it. I think the whole game is social, and you play the game you’re dealt. So yes don’t hate the players lol
I think in the future they’ll edit it so it’s not a factor, but I think it’s all good on this round. As a player you can exploit flaws in the game.
I’m going to miss this duo over the summer sooo much :(
The NFL, NBA (my team at least) and survivor are all in the off season I hate this time of year for tv hahah
I dunno why people have their feathers ruffled. Adam basically did this in Millenials V Gen X, just to a slightly lesser degree. Did people lose their minds then?
People love to be ahistorical when discussing Survivor because they can’t remember what happened in old seasons. Helping with information in challenges has been allowed for a long time. What’s not allowed is physical assistance (such as Albert picking up Sophie’s tiles). Liz operated in the grey area here because she utilized Kenzie’s piece to give her information, but she didn’t physically assist Kenzie in any way. It’s annoying to watch people fabricate hot takes to have something to talk about.
This was the first new era season ive watched, before this ive only seen up to season 20. So im genuinely confused at all the hate that maria is getting. Obviously if you betray your closest ally they might not vote for you! And he should have won over the rest of the jury. I had been rooting for charlie but by the end i totally think kenzie played the better game. But again im used to the more old school approach which i think kenzie had.
Thank goodness for this.
If you offered me a million dollars to describe one thing in the tribal council set this season, I couldn’t do it.
thanks for another great season!
I think the 47 players might have taken some lessons from 45 in that a tight block of 4 can dominate the game.
Only topic I didn't hear was "would Maria have beaten everyone?" or "could have Liz won?"
Use the budget for new tribal council towards making it not the sanctuary for reward every time. Bring back more dynamic rewards since they have much better lighting to see what the art department does
Damn, Stephen is fixated on the challenge thing. I think people just don't care as the outcome was the same whether Liz used her own board or Kenzie's, which would have been well within the established rules.
Although Liz hadn't finished her own puzzle. I'm not even sure of having to actually go back, to count the number of holes in the plank were included in the instructions. It just seemed like Liz figured it out on her own. And it reminds me of a challenge from a previous season, when players had to retrace their own steps. It likely would have been better had Liz suggested to Kenzie, that she should go, and retrieve the plank herself.
42:56 Survivor stealing one of the worst aspects of the Big Brother finale (live jury questioning leading to not enough time for strategic players to lay out their games) when Survivor has the benefit of pre-recording their finales is certainly a choice.
To your comment about "nobody ever voted for someone that they don't like" - Kathy's Vote for Boston Rob felt that way. Russell Hantz DID get votes.
if charlie was maybe like 5 years older and played the exact dance game he wins
Why do they no longer change locations?
They have a contract there and have been there since season 33. Supposedly their government is easy to deal with.
I love watching you both!
1:01:12 for, I’m gonna say the better…?
On Brice and Wen they had Alex from the circle on and he said why 45 was a lot smoother 46 base on time. He said for 46 they didn’t know if they was gonna get approved for hr and 30 min episodes so basically they was winging it this season
I always wait for the know it alls Stephen Fishbach's take on all this FTC.
I disagree that the resume era is over. To me, Charlie lost because he didn't have that stand out wow moment to point to that differentiates his game from the other two in the goat alliance. My read on the jury is that they felt the remaining three played a similar game especially since they came into FTC with Kenzie as the clear favourite. Kenzie had the advantage on the social game and the narrative of coming from a decimated tribe if strategy is held equal. So Charlie needed to go into FTC clearly differentiation his strategic chops. However since he played such a low key game and never made the big move (ex. Venus over Q), he was only able to convince three jury members that his strategy was worthy even to win over Kenzie's game.
Zaddy alert!!!
ok, but what about when a team throws a challenge in order to evict a tribe member? If that is fair, then I feel it's fair to let go of your chance to win in order to get someone else out.
The big difference between what Kenzie and Liz did and what Ken and Adam did in MvGX is that Adam only told Ken when his ball was getting close to hitting the bottom, he never ACTUALLY went and threw Ken's ball back up for him while Ken continued to work on the puzzle
Put Coleen from season 1 on season 50 I’m so serious
I disagree with the tribal council thing!! I think that little things like a slightly different tribal council, or a slightly different ancient voices, something to distinguish these seasons and players... That's my favorite thing about survivor.
It's an "implied" rule at least. Jeff is slow to "interfere" in what he describes as "a world with rules created by the players." It used to be described as a microcosm of society. Society has rules. So now it's "well the survivors make the rules."
You should never know the players financial background. It shouldn’t be a winner based on need. It should be a vote based on gameplay.
I feel like production told Q to ask that question
Charlie said he is passionate about immigration law at final tribal council, which has little money in it.
I was scared the band broke up
Re voting for someone you do not like.
Andrea in game changers voted for Sarah even though she really did not like her after what she found out the way Sarah spoke about Andrea. Also Sarah making Andrea swear on her deceased sister then voting her out.
Just got back from Japan where I couldn't watch Paramount so I just watched the final episode, knowing what the result was. It's as weird as I thought it was. Charlie looked like a whipped puppy in the Final 3. And Maria looks (I hate to say it) like the online comments are making her out to be. Not upset that Kenzie won but that finale just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I think Jesse did pretty much the same thing as Maria, but to a lesser extent. They both voted for someone who played a mostly social game, so as to not let someone be deemed a more strategic player than them. Ego.
jesse voted for his friend and ally - he and cody were both on the jury and both argued that gabler was part of their strategic conversations every day. the edit hid gabler.
Better late than never.
I love the different tribal coucil sets! Not my money, I don't care what they spend on it.
Survivor is just a popularity contest now. Really hard to watch the best strategist not win the show, and that’s coming from someone who picked Kenzie to win from the beginning and was actively rooting for her. Just feels wrong for her to beat Charlie at the end.
I just finished rewatching the season because I love the show and man it must be a hard rewatch for Maria and Charlie. You can’t tell me Maria wouldn’t have expected to get Charlie’s vote if the roles were reversed. Huge injustice and so classless
It’s always been a popularity contest. That’s the entire mechanism of the show. Everyone votes for their favorite person to win. 100% of the time.
@@hunterfritts4498 not true, but it’s true for the new era. Some seasons the jury voted off respect of gameplay which typically yields the most satisfying winner
@SweetRyGuy Nope. It was true old-school as well.
Mathew season 6 and Twyla in season 9 both busted their asses to make it to the end, but because they both were so terrible socially they lost to players who by no means controlled the strategy of the game, beat them simply for being approachable and charismatic.
Boston Rob and Russell; strait up assholes who lost to women with the age old strategy of just being nice to people.
Chase and Sash: It was like watching Edd and Eddy lose to Ed.
Stephanie Lagrossa; also lost to someone with no power but was just nicer to people.
Aubrey and Tai; okay, that jury WAS poisoned by strait up assholes themselves, but the point still stands.
The people who won the game by have having the best strategic play... ALSO had good social games. They did both (or at very least had social games that were better than the people they went up against.)
@@SweetRyGuy I’m sorry my man you are wrong. Not trying to be disrespectful or anything
@@roger_towny_jr those are examples yes, from unsatisfying seasons lol. It happens and always has, but when the jury votes based on game and not likability the best player always wins
Jeff Probst wants all youngins’ to get off the couch and apply for Survivor!
What’s funny is Mr King of “arbitrary and reductive” Stephen doesn’t realize just how arbitrary and reductive it is to say he would vote for Charlie when he’s never even experienced the affects of Kenzie’s social game and only has an edit that is historically known for glorifying one particular game style to go off of. Ain’t nothing more arbitrary and reductive than that.
I don't see them allowing such blatant cheating in the future. Allowing it would basically make a challenge run impossible. Maria very likely would have made it to the finale from immunity victories.
Who did rob vote for in all stars?
He didn't make the jury, so no vote
But he once said he would have voted for Boston Rob
53:16 is it possible that Sia backed out of supporting the show because of CBS’s role in the Israel/Palestine conflict? Maybe she didn’t want to support genocide?
Soda seemed the most bitter until I saw how ol girl voted. I thought her question was just rude.
Kenzi should have not won that immunity challenge! Liz is actually a horrible person, the way she acted towards Q was absolutely disgusting! NEVER INVITE HER BACK! Mari should have won…
It didnt feel right, dont think it fits the spirit of the game, lets outlaw this!