The Top 10 Performance Catamarans by their sailing ratios - 58ft to 65ft
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
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Maths and physics does not lie good people so this is a very easy and objective way of evaluating your future catamaran purchase. To a large extent I believe to win in the sailing ratios alone is a hollow victory since you should also look at the catamaran's construction and the materials that are used. A sportstar catamaran that will always win the Friday afternoon trophy and get the bottle of red wine will likely not be the most durable cruiser able to take alot of punishment. And that is why I like aluminium, the best boat building material bar none. Light strong and durable it can certainly take the punishment meted out to it.
The Odisea 62 from Odisea Catamarans has just been designed and will soon be built in Vietnam. It is the bigger brother of the Odisea 48 but has much more style, volume and comfort than it's younger brother. It is similar to the Balance 620 in that it is a luxury boat that can take the punishment of a world cruise in comfort. BUT it is lighter and more durable being made of aluminium and because of this the Odisea 62 beats the Balance 620 in all the sailing ratios, namely Sail Area to Displacement, Displacement to Waterline length and Ksp....and of course it beats it in price by a whopping margin. Write me an email to peter@elcanoworldchallenge.org
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Peter got his Aluminum Facts right, light weight, strong, aluminum is arguably the best boat building material, titanium would be better but MUCH more expensive.
Can’t wait for the “Top 10 Performance Catamarans by their sailing ratios - 40ft to 50ft”! :o)
Great video. Very educational and no doubt will upset many production cat builders with you pulling back the curtain. Sharing your inside baseball will no doubt excite the trolls and see the cat fraternity hit back with their advocacy for “stability” as being the number criterion in boat selection! :o)
These "Plukky explains" style videos are top stuff!
Peter on Song, it's great to see you animated and enthused, plus imparting well presented information.
Well explained with no bs. This will be cool the first customer at this size of the ODC, what an opportunity. Before even discussing the technology layer!
Nothing but Quality Fun,Adventure,Education, People , No Drama wow Peter well I think we are on to something really big here ! Thank you !
It's refreshing to get such valuable insights into the boat building area. great video. And...I did learn something...no fluff just the facts man!!
Way to go Peter. Always knew you are a keeper… just gets better and better 👍🏻👍🏻
It is good to compare this build with the Sailing With the Wynns, who are building an HH cat in China. Both interesting channels! Good to see them both! I must say, I think I prefer alli too, however.
Nice Plukky! Keep up the good work
I've been a boat builder for 35 yrs and correct alloy is definitely the better material
another pro is that alloy can be 100 percent repaired in most locations unlike other materials
Exactly; learn TIG - get a spool gun and some plate. DIY.!
Cap'n Plukky, this all looks familiar, eay!? LOL ❤❤😂😂
Good topic, I feel like there needs to be more information like this out there. Especially about how stats are massaged. Why isn't cabin sole area in the stats. It seems important. How about impact energy needed for a hull penetration. The engineering specs provide this information, yet the consumer is not demanding access. It is almost like the industry is begging to be regulated.
Geez Peter. How many millions? So my 4m tinny with a 15 Yam 2-stroke is likely world leading. Comparatively... +) Love your educated and detailed analysis.
Love to see the Neanderthal education and all, but, would love to see some of your daily adventures around the town, I bet not a lot of them have interacted with an Australian Neanderthal before and would be interested in seeing how they react to you :D
It's great info. Thank you for taking the time to share it.
Struth Plukky - i think I will buy 3 !!!!! I miss the posterior photography!!!!!!
Great comparison video. Thanks Peter.
Your explanation of why aluminium is better in impacts is why I have kept an aluminium bicycle frame for MTB rather than move to a considerably lighter carbon fibre frame. CF is great for ultimate performance but if you need ultimate reliability... aluminium
I actually broke the alu frame of a fully suspended MTB during riding on normal tarmac . Granted , the bike was about 20 years old , and their lies the clue : metal fatigue . While steel and titanium can do infinite stress cycles if limited to a maximum excursion limit , no such safe limit exists for alu . Alu will break after some time , no matter how small the stresses are while Ti and steel can be forever . This makes me wonder how good alu is a hull material how long it will last structurally before you need to replace it
Great video! I’m curious what to lookout for when buying a thirty year old aluminum boat? Thanks
Submarine going to Titanic was also from Titanium and had a misforming of titanium, aka metal fatique!!
I‘ve never seen an aluminum boatbuilder, so I‘m really enjoying those buildvideos 👌🏻👌🏻
Just rewatching this, to see how much has changed between the episodes.
I would like to see a little Timelapse on every Episode on the progress so far
Yet another very good and useful video. So thankful for you sharing your wisdom. Keep it up and I wish you all the best!!!
Very informative ❤
Made me laugh out loud. Plucky quote "Ive had a hole in my boat, you don't want to go there"
Love it, Love it, love it!! A lot of great info there Peter
Thank brother!!! Share knowledge is hard to find. Cheers!
Interesting and thoughtful presentation Peter.
Excellent. It is good to see you in your element.
Love all the info and comparisons! Thank you!
Awww Deb.... my number one fan
QUALITY PEOPLE, NOTHING BUT QUALITY!!
I think you mentioned 100 % recyclable, even during construction, is about as good as we can hope. We tend to dismiss end of useful life as part of the “formula”. Being a woodworker, it is tough for me to go 100% aluminum. There are plenty of places in any boat for wood craftsmanship.
Plucky, those are huge boats with huge price tags during their useful life. Aren’t there any 40 to 45 ft performance cats that will do what you and most real people want and MAYBE can afford to buy and own?
Already done an episode on 48 to 53 ft boats....you should pay attention
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM Don’t piss off your devoted peeeple. I watch ALL your YT posts. I AM paying attention. You are getting out of my league.
Always enjoy the expertise and the delivery. Always manage to find nice ladies too.
Thanks for the detailed info on the various boats Plukky 😊
Well said mate, and good luck with your guest that gave the little plug 😊
Great video and thanks for the info
Great information well worth another view.
good info Pete , good watching
Well Plukky it looks like you've made some cute new friends. Top stuff. Buena suerte, y cuídate mucho. Good luck and be extra careful.
Great vid Plukky!!!
Thanks, Plukky, very informative.
You have the gift of gab Pluky....I have no Idea what you were talking about....lol
Bravo, info from a smart man !
I love this type of video!
Every once and awhile the caveman disappears and the the engineer peeks over the rail.
Great information
Hey Puckly, Grandpa called and he wants his opening and closing music back lol
Peter Johnstone's Gunboats were inspired by Chris White's Atlantic 57.
Great stuff its going to be awesome
Like it when Plucky geeks out a bit exuding confidence! Well done & informative! Now where to get the additional $2.5M
Yep...good one Pluck !!!
Fascinating discussion.
Goodonya Plukky! Good Info..! Only commenting for your algorithm 😁🧿🐉🇦🇺🏴☠️
Great video, glad people are out there like yourself looking behind the curtain of boat builders. Like most things though the devil is in the details and the right answer for what’s best is “it depends”. Every one is going to place priorities in different spots as all boats are just a series of compromises. (Unless you remove budget from the equation lol)
Each of the higher end boats you mentioned (Gunboat/HH//Balance/ORC/etc) are all custom builds but the advertised LIghtship displacement includes a ton of equipment that others do not. So although your numbers on the Odesea are phenomenal, the actual livability isn’t apples to apples. If the other boats were built bare bones their numbers would look a bit different.
But in general the premise of what you are communicating is spot on and I give you two thumbs up! Just any potential buyers out there, make sure you dig into the details 👍🏻👍🏻
Details indeed....you are right
But ODISEA 62 numbers aren't that great. Its more of a comfortable cruiser
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM Yep, and if you are going to sail all the way around the world that is the way to go (IMO), a blend of both. I've spoken directly to one of the guys who was crew on the El Cano challenge Outremer with Jimmy, and his account of the mission was very telling. They absolutely could have succeeded with that Outremer but it would have been a miserable slog...and life's too short for miserable slogs!
Thanks for the info
Interesting that even these very expensive boats will use cheap materials in the construction of the hull. Like it’s the least important to them to impress buyers. The buyers want all the fancy do da of the interior. Recently did a delivery on a $3 million Oyster 6.2. The amount of well engineered door hinges etc and the like, wonderful, compared to no hand holds after coming down the companionway to cross the saloon, tells me a very serious lack of quality or understanding. JMHO Plukky, build us something to make us proud, to be watching you build. 👍
More easy peasy please, that brought an Aussie smile to this old Aussie face! … and I think the Ba Son Shipyard may give the fibre glass “mass production” builders are run for their money!
Thanks for sharing.
Great info
Благодарю. Ты мудрый и правильный совет дал. Всем Добра!
An engineer and lover of sail. Good!
VERY INFORMATIVE COMMENT.
Wish I was in the market for a cat...... Best I can do is live vicariously through you 😂🤗💞
Thanks for the facts n formula's you make a good teacher great stuff aluminum is the strongest. Jeff the Navy vet
Professor Peter, nicely explained! :¬) Webhead USA
Comparer les catamarans existants et les futures créations ? Regardez les résultats de l’ORC (Rallyes pour les Crusiers)
very educational
I bought my granddaughter a cat 🐱. It’s stuffed! She takes it everywhere, preschool, shopping with her mum, she absolutely loves it
Steve Dashew is amazing !
Indeed hevisc and so is his wife
Great video full of referral able quality information. Would it be a good idea to throw in an imaginary aluminum performance cat comparison boat with similar dimensions to those you like ?
Great work Peter.
There are none
Good to have the best materials, and if out run out of money could build interior of thatched palm fronds and bamboo.
I'm pretty sure the amount of cupholders lends to better performance
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Peter...you lost me at six million dollars....i am laughing my ass off!
Slyder build from aluminum also.
what a pity you did not include the ORC 57 (too small by just 1 ft ? )
There are many cats that would nicely fit on top of this list. For example the McConaghy MC²60, the Schionning G-Force 1800 and 2000 and the Atlantic 57. Sure they are confidential boats, but not less than the not already made Odisea 62 ;-)
Gracias amigo, cheers from Chile
Impressive work you have done, I have gained way more respect for you since you started this project, you are definitely smarter than you look, maybe just maybe they will include a comb or a brush, or even a hair cut... lol
will you test it's strength by returning to WA to exact revenge on that bombie there?
Hello Plucky!
how conductive is the alu frame in a lightning storm. question.
Correct griffin my friend
Totally correct Plukky that China is cheaper, unfortunately for us it's only cheaper for them, we don't get to benefit one cent on the deal. They benefit by having cheaper labor, no workers compensation, cheaper rent on facilities and lower energy costs and possibly quite a few others.
Its a bit strange listening/ watching to you as the educating professor in catamaran stuff! Top stuff! By the way whats your opinion about the Triple banana from SV Vagabond? Looks to me also as fine ship!
Hardly a professor. Just playing with the maths and tweaking the values back to the real world so it is fair. Someone has to do it.
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM i see a lot off "dot" welding. Do they after this all the whole lengths welding? So that you have completed strength instead of only the "dots".
Is foam used in the build process & please touch base on galvanic corrosion from other boats at Marina's is this a big concern. ?
Hey Plucky. When you gonna start interviewing new crew for the challenge?
Now
Very good informative video, but I can't believe the price of these cats, if that's the cost of a fiberglass cat what's your aluminum boat going to cost you then?
good educational video ,providing information and nurturing inquiry .
one evaluation and prize factor is missing ,as it is unfortunately in most advertisements and comments on boats ,including on boat shows and that is the environment factor !.
Current and future generations will have to pay a high prize for boat builds that use toxic materials and that need more toxic materials for maintenance/repairs .Even , if an environment tax is not introduced on such new boat builds ,conscientious people can at least take a stance and mention a provisional % prize for environment damage of certain boat builds . It is not only external environment that will be damaged ,certain boat building components will be increasingly found in body tissues of humans and other animal species . To avoid awareness of the responsibility of ones personal desires and actions, will damage the conscience of all perpetrators involved in these dynamics . As a minimum ,research/investigation should be actively pursued to find less toxic materials and better recycling policies and technics . For instance ,how to reuse retired boat hulls for water tanks ,tiny homes ,shelters for homeless ,refugees ........ .
You are right...well dune
The corrosion issues with aluminum should not be dismissed. Drop a steel screw into the bilge and not get it out and you’ll have a hole in the boat in no time. Anyplace an aluminum boat flexes it will quickly fatigue and crack. I agree aluminum is a good material for boat building but anyone buying one needs to have a good understanding of its drawbacks and limitations. Otherwise your educational videos are great. I can’t wait for your new cat properly adorned with new crew !
peter - all this metal talk and aluminium talk doesn't deal with metal fatigue - from all the vibrations and twising and turning and work hardening vulnerable areas - how does your aluminium hold up / good stuf on engineering detail / as you know when you are welding an area it changes the metal tension and often creates a weak point - i suggest you get your engineers to look into this and develop some options they offer as an added value when people are building a boat to add to the longevity, life span of a boat too - good stuff - peter what happens after the boat hull is built - have you started fundraising and getting sponsors too - hang in there
Good design
Stops most problems
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM Good design may delay problems with metal fatigue but not stop it . Alu has no safe excursion limit when stressed under which it can undergo infinite stress cycles . Steel and titanium do have such a safe limit . In other words , no matter how small the stresses are , alu will eventually break . That is why aircraft fuselages are checked on a regular basis for cracks .
Hi, it is very clear that anyone who value their life and their family life aluminum is the way to go. You don't want to be an appetizer for a great white shark! I'm always surprise that peoples with millions of dollars are willing to risk it with a brittle material as fiberglass and carbon fiber. Carbon fiber is great for racing but hitting a floating container will end your day in a very bad way and I'm not going to talk about E glass. The ultimate would be a titanium hull without questions......but that is another story.
Looks like I'll be buying ×2 mono hulls & tieing them together 😅
In the same perspective it would be good to understand your take on carbon fiber masts for world-cruisers (Racers probably all opt for carbon).
I am not the one to ask i never owned one so it would be silly for me to comment.
Considering your electric personality Plucky, how will Freedom 2 handle any lightning strike like the one before.
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What about the Aussie McConaghy
Are you biased, Absolutely! I am also biased right along with you. Thanks.
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You don't want a hole in your boat and like Peter says I've done that. Needless to say holes and boat are not a good thing.
Missing McConaghy cats
I wandered how long it would take you to notice the women there. 👍
what about FRP?
That's fiberglass