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I was just thinking, if i'm not mistaken there's probably some heat pads underneath that vrm heat sink. How much does the "quality" of heat pads matter on vrm's?
GDDR4 was pretty much skipped, there were a couple ATIs that used it, but the gains didn't justify it, that latter on became the basis for HBM, witch does justify the gains by a lot. GDDR5 was based on DDR3 btw.
Oh man, a true many-phases VRM with "REAL HEATSINKS(tm)", I'm Loving this! Now why the hell can't they do that for z370 or AM4 mATX boards, What gives, I want a mini-compute-box that "goes to Eleven!", lol. Great vid BZ, Steve, and crew. B)
Haha yeah, I wish. We've been complaining about AM4 mATX boards since Ryzen came out and we still don't have anything. I was so hopeful for the 400 series and was so disappointed by all the brands. Asrock made a freaking mATX X399 board FFS! Yet they still can't make a good AM4 one!...
dumle29 Well, they won't do anything if our voice isn't heard. Maybe not complaining per se, more constructive feedback with the aim of persuasion would be more accurate, bit long though.. I'm not expecting EVGA to make an AMD board, it's unfortunate but whatever.
I always love these videos, he's good at explaining things (at least to me, I do have an electronics background). He's also got some interesting commentary which keeps it from being too dry.
Check out his actual channel then, there are a lot more PCB breakdows on more Mobo's and GPU's. I second this interest as I do casual, semi-pro LN2 overclocking and watching these let me geek out. That and I work retail with these and other boards, so learning what's built well or not helps me and my customers.
But honestly he's not really good at this. He likes to say, that he couldn't find docs and makes a lot of mistakes. Sometimes I think he hates some vendors even if they have almost identical pcb
what we need is a company like EVGA make boards for Ryzen with these massive VRM overkill and well thought out designs. a mATX board with great VRM and real heatsink? Id buy that
The organization of this Analysis greatly helps my brain to split up the mobo design into a more understandable means. Thx. It now has me googling more about power from wall to all components.
Glad to see motherboard makers are finally using more good VRM heat sinks. With my Asrock Z97m Fatality I had to zip tie a 80mm fan to sit over top the VRM just to run an AIO cooled 4790k above 4.6ghz with out turning my case into a wind tunnel.
Thanks Buildzoid, and thanks to Gamers Nexus for the analysis on my next motherboard. A wee question, what size of fan is that as im thinking it could be replaced by a Noctua of the the same size. Now just to await its launch! Keep up the good work everyone at Gamers Nexus and Buildzoid.
Looking foward to B450 M-ATX reviews. I thought we were going to have a renewed effort on Micro ATX, but they seem very underwhelming. No X470 M-ATX either, so I'm pretty bummed. Honestly outside of workstations there is no need for full size boards anymore. I think the vanity display culture has prevented an otherwise natural progression to smaller, full powered systems for gamers and home users. I don't need a 3ft beast on my desk to house a single gpu and a pair of M.2 drives.
Hi, Since I was one of the folks who formerly criticize Buildzoid's off the cuff, by the seat of his pants, scatter shot/shotgun style analyses and Gamers Nexus' lack of editorial control of over those videos, I would like to commend both parties for Buildzoid's greatly improved content. Kudos! :-) (Note: I've rewritten the above three times in an attempt to improve its tone. Frankly, to me it still reads like I'm some kind of arrogant, egocentric, self entitled jerk who feels his crumbs of praise are pearls of great worth. Maybe I need another's "editorial control" over my comments.) :-/
The detail is pretty cool to see revealed in their design choices, especially in this format and size of board. I have an Abit AX5 with a Pentium MMX 200 and memory I'm willing to donate if you folks want to do one of these types of videos on the first jumperless motherboard. Could be interesting to see where these all started. :)
Back then when you analyzed the x299 dark you where totally right: "using it in a case is using it wrong". My Bios Battery is empty and i would have to disassemble my whole System to change it 😥
is the efficientcy bow of all those IR smd's not just like powersupply's? more efficient at lower use, that's why they overkill them everywhere i think. to save power.
I'm frankly shocked after watching this video. I've been buying EVGA GPUs for years but ASUS motherboards because of my presumptions based on their reputation and marketing. I may have to give EVGA motherboards a shot for future builds.
Would be interested in the board if it wasn't X299. Any chance Buildzoid could do an analysis of the new SuperMicro SuperO C7Z370-CG-IW Mini-ITX GAMING. Look very interesting coming from an enterprise manufacturer.
Gaming Tech UK only thing is, I’m looking for a board with at least 3 x16 PCIe slots and there aren’t many alternatives. Also, the VRM cooling on the ASRock seems worse than on the ASUS WS boards... *I’m aware that some of the lanes are not direct to the CPU, but they should still offer faster PCIe to PCIe transfer speeds I believe. **price of the board is not a ‘major’ concern.
Mashy Green asus fanboy? The asrock x299 *i9 XE* professional gaming NOT the gaming i9 has improved vrms - it can handle a 7900x at 4.7ghz easily with vrms peaking around 69-72c whilst other boards failed. Want a link?
Your x299 motherboard is a evga dark - it is amongst the BEST motherboards for the socket, the x299 micro is more of a mid range board that isn't as good as the x299 dark
"EVGA X299 Micro2 VRM Analy" is how this shows up on both of my mobile devices. Not a big deal, but maybe "Analysis of EVGA etc...." would make a better title.
DFI heatsinks in 775 days were pretty crap actually, they used lots of cheap thermal pads and paste stacked, it was only good when you replaced it with Thermalright chipset heatsinks. I owned the LP JR P45 T2RS and the LP UT X48 T3RS, compared to the Asus P5E, you needed active cooling on the UT X48 where you didn't on the P5E when hitting over 470Mhz FSB.
flandrble DFI X58 something? Didnt TR make those heatsinks they used? Everyone remembers those, I had no issue with that solution and if I remember correctly it had best passive cooling during that period.
Yeah they had the Thermalright IFX style heatsinks but it was still pretty crap as DFI had two interfaces between the components (mosfet/chipset-thermal pad-heatpipe plate-grease-heatsink), whereas the P5E (and Rampage) just went mosfet/chipset-thermal pad-heatsink and possibly had even larger heatsinks too.
Hi Buildzoid, I would love it if you could look at the ASUS WS Sage which I'm using for a 7980xe. I bought is partly for overclocking headroom however I cant even get a stable overclock on on the Presets. Hoping you can help!
I wonder if some smart company couldn't make some money making replacement VRM heatsinks for the popular motherboards. It seems like most Z370 boards even from multiple manufacturers have very similar mounting holes for their heat sinks.
1. As a Pro, Image quality needs to be improved, as noted here and in previous programs. This is easy on a basic level. Use a good quality smartphone camera and enlarge the necessary sections in GIMP. Fast and little effort. 2. What doesn’t EVGA make AMD motherboards? Other than their X299 Dark highlighted for overclocking, I see little recognition and use in the builder community. Identifying them for the enthusiast is just marketing. Am I missing something? Love to see a Threadripper Dark and they could use the revenue as AMD processors garner more market share.
The 130W is the heat from the inefficiency of the VRM itself at 500A and 2V vcore output, basically the voltage drop across the VRM itself. He didn't explain that at all in this video and should of made that clear, he has in other videos though.
Why isn't the VRM done like this? i.imgur.com/hsQH8H4.png They would only need 2 doublers, and it would partly solve the current balancing issue. Is there any reason why it's not a good idea to do this?
Hey I tried posting this on the GN forums but couldn't cause mobile so here we go: Recently, I was running the folding@home program while I went off for a bit. When I came back my computer had shut itself down. Now, whenever I press the power button, I get a short burst of power through the system and then it cuts out again. Pressing the power button has no further effect until I turn the PSU off and on again. Anyone know what the issue is or how I could fix it?
Lucas Robertson . PSU is shutting down to protect itself from an over current. Given the PC was working, there’s probably a component failure. In order of convenience, keep trying after each one. Reset the BIOS if you’re overclocking. Remove the GPU and try to boot to BIOS using on-board graphics. Strip it down to the minimum (motherboard, chip, memory), remove and examine all the cables for damage and PCBs for signs of overheating. Add parts back in one at a time, e.g System disk so you can boot into Windows, etc. Finally if it’s still faulty on bare minimum, you need to swap out the PSU and then motherboard. Be patient and methodical as it can take a while to diagnose.
I have to say, real heatsinks are very sexy! On the note of sexy heatsinks, does anyone here remember motherboars full with copper fins and heatpipes? Like, to the degree where you had a GPU sized heatinks to be screwed into the top PCI slot?
i really like Threadripper but i wouldn't call x299 garbage because it has a 7% single threaded advantage over Threadripper and because it has quad channel memory and 125KB more cache per core(compared to Coffelake) it has the most single threaded CPU performance you can buy(yes it is better then the 8700K) and there's the option of having 18 cores instead of 16 the major downside with x299 is it consumes twice as much power and as Buildzoid pointed out in this video you can get away with big air coolers for 200-300 watts but that shit just wont work when a fully overclocked 7980XE consumes over 500 watts so technically if you made a godly custom system and you didn't care about money or power consumption x299 would be better but for every other use case Threadripper is probably better cant wait for the 3950X to drop in a couple of years and make all of these processors look completely obsolete
Why don't you mention the price?? For the price of this you can buy an 8700K and a H370 board together. $$ is a big factor in decisions. Edit: buy 8700K because of better silicon which means you can use multi core enhancment all 6 cores at 4.7 as opposed to only 1 core at 4.6 for 8700.
No 8700K is still better with non Z boards. H370 will run 8700K with MCE no problems. Still beastly CPUs both gaming and productivity. I just feel price per performances is important.
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The x99 socket cover is the SAME size as the socket.
I was just thinking, if i'm not mistaken there's probably some heat pads underneath that vrm heat sink. How much does the "quality" of heat pads matter on vrm's?
#Snowflake #GamersNexus #ASKGN why are PC memory always 1 "tier" behind GPU aka DDR4 vs GDDR5 (and I guess soon DDR5 vs GDDR6)?
GDDR4 was pretty much skipped, there were a couple ATIs that used it, but the gains didn't justify it, that latter on became the basis for HBM, witch does justify the gains by a lot. GDDR5 was based on DDR3 btw.
Oh man, a true many-phases VRM with "REAL HEATSINKS(tm)", I'm Loving this!
Now why the hell can't they do that for z370 or AM4 mATX boards, What gives, I want a mini-compute-box that "goes to Eleven!", lol.
Great vid BZ, Steve, and crew. B)
If only EVGA made AM4 boards 😞😞
Then we could actually get a good Micro atx AM4 board!! 😡
This. Are you listening EVGA? Because I don't want to buy some other brand MB, and I don't want to buy Intel next.
Haha yeah, I wish.
We've been complaining about AM4 mATX boards since Ryzen came out and we still don't have anything.
I was so hopeful for the 400 series and was so disappointed by all the brands.
Asrock made a freaking mATX X399 board FFS! Yet they still can't make a good AM4 one!...
"We've been complaining" stop that
But don't expect EVGA to make anything AMD, they are intel and nVidia exclusive partners.
I don't think they do anything AMD.
dumle29
Well, they won't do anything if our voice isn't heard. Maybe not complaining per se, more constructive feedback with the aim of persuasion would be more accurate, bit long though..
I'm not expecting EVGA to make an AMD board, it's unfortunate but whatever.
I always love these videos, he's good at explaining things (at least to me, I do have an electronics background). He's also got some interesting commentary which keeps it from being too dry.
Check out his actual channel then, there are a lot more PCB breakdows on more Mobo's and GPU's. I second this interest as I do casual, semi-pro LN2 overclocking and watching these let me geek out. That and I work retail with these and other boards, so learning what's built well or not helps me and my customers.
Are you the guy from GBAtemp forums?
Wabbi Yeah, why?
But honestly he's not really good at this. He likes to say, that he couldn't find docs and makes a lot of mistakes. Sometimes I think he hates some vendors even if they have almost identical pcb
Vlad Major I didn't say accurate. :-P
what we need is a company like EVGA make boards for Ryzen with these massive VRM overkill and well thought out designs. a mATX board with great VRM and real heatsink? Id buy that
Nicholas Baldwin maybe they will release some when 7nm ryzen comes out.
I absolutely love this channel.
Love such in depth analysis in ever video. No other channel does it like this so well.
Keep it up!
That Bell thingy actually works. what a surprise, thanks youtube
Not to me. Ehhh...
Back to the days when subscription worked...
Be sure to check out BZ's side channel, Actually Running Stock.
flyingfajitas Actually Running At Stock*
The organization of this Analysis greatly helps my brain to split up the mobo design into a more understandable means. Thx. It now has me googling more about power from wall to all components.
Glad to see motherboard makers are finally using more good VRM heat sinks. With my Asrock Z97m Fatality I had to zip tie a 80mm fan to sit over top the VRM just to run an AIO cooled 4790k above 4.6ghz with out turning my case into a wind tunnel.
I'd like to commend you guys on that topic/timer on the lower-left of the screen. That is so damn neat.
Great video. Looking forward for some GN Buildzoid joint collaboration videos now that the new office can easily support it.
Thanks Buildzoid, and thanks to Gamers Nexus for the analysis on my next motherboard. A wee question, what size of fan is that as im thinking it could be replaced by a Noctua of the the same size.
Now just to await its launch!
Keep up the good work everyone at Gamers Nexus and Buildzoid.
I doubt it's 20 mm, probably 30x30x10 I would guess.
Looking foward to B450 M-ATX reviews. I thought we were going to have a renewed effort on Micro ATX, but they seem very underwhelming. No X470 M-ATX either, so I'm pretty bummed. Honestly outside of workstations there is no need for full size boards anymore. I think the vanity display culture has prevented an otherwise natural progression to smaller, full powered systems for gamers and home users. I don't need a 3ft beast on my desk to house a single gpu and a pair of M.2 drives.
i think the vrm heatsink is beautiful
Hi, Since I was one of the folks who formerly criticize Buildzoid's off the cuff, by the seat of his pants, scatter shot/shotgun style analyses and Gamers Nexus' lack of editorial control of over those videos, I would like to commend both parties for Buildzoid's greatly improved content. Kudos! :-)
(Note: I've rewritten the above three times in an attempt to improve its tone. Frankly, to me it still reads like I'm some kind of arrogant, egocentric, self entitled jerk who feels his crumbs of praise are pearls of great worth. Maybe I need another's "editorial control" over my comments.) :-/
I learned a lot from this video from the amps and chips. As a new sub, this is 25min well spent. Thanks.
The detail is pretty cool to see revealed in their design choices, especially in this format and size of board. I have an Abit AX5 with a Pentium MMX 200 and memory I'm willing to donate if you folks want to do one of these types of videos on the first jumperless motherboard. Could be interesting to see where these all started. :)
I like the GN timestamp overlay!
The vrm heatsink is much better looking than the other motherboards. There's beauty in performance.
eVGA has been making some very nice boards lately. I will def check them out for my next build.
Thanks for the video. I wish more boards came with that vrm heat sink with the fan. In cramped itx builds, that would be sweet
Oh I have a feeling we'll see X299 Micro 2 in more LN2 OC events in the future.
Remember how 10 years ago you could get VRM heatsinks that looked good as well as being the real thing?
Back then when you analyzed the x299 dark you where totally right: "using it in a case is using it wrong". My Bios Battery is empty and i would have to disassemble my whole System to change it 😥
more of these pls! i love it!
is the efficientcy bow of all those IR smd's not just like powersupply's? more efficient at lower use, that's why they overkill them everywhere i think. to save power.
I'm frankly shocked after watching this video. I've been buying EVGA GPUs for years but ASUS motherboards because of my presumptions based on their reputation and marketing. I may have to give EVGA motherboards a shot for future builds.
extremely helpful, thanks guys
You should do this for the EVGA x299 Dark E-ATX Board
So, the socket cap says 2011-3 😂😋
Would be interested in the board if it wasn't X299. Any chance Buildzoid could do an analysis of the new SuperMicro SuperO C7Z370-CG-IW Mini-ITX GAMING. Look very interesting coming from an enterprise manufacturer.
I would love to see an analysis of the ASUS X299 WS SAGE. It looks like it also has only 8 stage VRM, but just wondering how it would compare overall.
Bad board unless it's cheaper than the asrock x299 i9 xe professional gaming - it's one of the top boards and excellent value.
Gaming Tech UK only thing is, I’m looking for a board with at least 3 x16 PCIe slots and there aren’t many alternatives. Also, the VRM cooling on the ASRock seems worse than on the ASUS WS boards...
*I’m aware that some of the lanes are not direct to the CPU, but they should still offer faster PCIe to PCIe transfer speeds I believe. **price of the board is not a ‘major’ concern.
Mashy Green asus fanboy?
The asrock x299 *i9 XE* professional gaming NOT the gaming i9 has improved vrms - it can handle a 7900x at 4.7ghz easily with vrms peaking around 69-72c whilst other boards failed. Want a link?
Mashy Green the board has *FOUR* x16 slots and 12 sata ports.
Mashy Green www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Fatal1ty%20X299%20Professional%20Gaming%20i9%20XE/index.asp
Why does that Foxconn cpu cover say LGA 2011-3. That is triggering my OCD lol
Socket cover is the same dimension
Loving my dark 299 I wish I held out for the micro :(
do you plan a mini build ?
Eliad Buchnik nope I won't be upgrading or downsizing now. In for a penny, in for a pound. :( it should see me through to 2025 😎
X299 is amongst the top - this is a mid range board.
Gaming Tech UK I dont understand, what are you saying?
Your x299 motherboard is a evga dark - it is amongst the BEST motherboards for the socket, the x299 micro is more of a mid range board that isn't as good as the x299 dark
"EVGA X299 Micro2 VRM Analy" is how this shows up on both of my mobile devices. Not a big deal, but maybe "Analysis of EVGA etc...." would make a better title.
Nah, first one superior in all ways. Don't know what you're talking about :P
Matthew Fennell, ha! The text in the preview window makes it even better, "makes atx look bad".
Hehehe
Except that atx is still superior :-0
Instructions unclear, applied shave butter to cpu cooler. User still looking homeless. Please advice!
Wait a sec, why does it say "LGA 2011-3" on the socket? I tought its a x299 Board, where is the 2066 socket?
That's just the socket cover. They sockets are the same size so the covers work on either.
@@sabishiihito oooooh
Still DFI vrm heatsinks were #1 😁
Where is the lie?
DFI heatsinks in 775 days were pretty crap actually, they used lots of cheap thermal pads and paste stacked, it was only good when you replaced it with Thermalright chipset heatsinks.
I owned the LP JR P45 T2RS and the LP UT X48 T3RS, compared to the Asus P5E, you needed active cooling on the UT X48 where you didn't on the P5E when hitting over 470Mhz FSB.
flandrble DFI X58 something? Didnt TR make those heatsinks they used? Everyone remembers those, I had no issue with that solution and if I remember correctly it had best passive cooling during that period.
Yeah they had the Thermalright IFX style heatsinks but it was still pretty crap as DFI had two interfaces between the components (mosfet/chipset-thermal pad-heatpipe plate-grease-heatsink), whereas the P5E (and Rampage) just went mosfet/chipset-thermal pad-heatsink and possibly had even larger heatsinks too.
Hi Buildzoid, I would love it if you could look at the ASUS WS Sage which I'm using for a 7980xe. I bought is partly for overclocking headroom however I cant even get a stable overclock on on the Presets. Hoping you can help!
Of you don't have lots of expension cards, there's no reason to not pick Micro ATX: Cheaper (mostly), SLi support, build quality equals ATX.
Ermm, why does the socket cap, say LGA2011-v3? Since that's the X99 socket.
You should build a RGB water cooler for the new nexus office. 😎
Do the x299 i9 xe professional gaming
I'm hoping EVGA will do a mATX like this for the Z390 with 4 DIMMs.
Why aren't there AM4 MATX boards like this?
My MSI board experiences over 60 mV of Vdroop under load and de-stabilizes anything but a light OC.
#Buildzoid such an unusual thing, a VRM not being ripped to pieces :D
I wonder if some smart company couldn't make some money making replacement VRM heatsinks for the popular motherboards. It seems like most Z370 boards even from multiple manufacturers have very similar mounting holes for their heat sinks.
I wish evga would do a thredripper motherboard.......
1. As a Pro, Image quality needs to be improved, as noted here and in previous programs. This is easy on a basic level. Use a good quality smartphone camera and enlarge the necessary sections in GIMP. Fast and little effort.
2. What doesn’t EVGA make AMD motherboards? Other than their X299 Dark highlighted for overclocking, I see little recognition and use in the builder community. Identifying them for the enthusiast is just marketing. Am I missing something? Love to see a Threadripper Dark and they could use the revenue as AMD processors garner more market share.
EVGA needs to start making AMD boards, Last EVGA board I had was the core 2 duo supporting Nforce 790i.
Evga don't make low end motherboards do they?
Looks awesome
That LGA 2011-v3 socket cover was a little irritating at first.
Do you have b450 boards coming?
Why is there a lga2011-3 cover in the slot :D
Where do you get 130W from 500a and 2V? Ohms law is P = I x E. It's 1000w - so I'm just curious.
The 130W is the heat from the inefficiency of the VRM itself at 500A and 2V vcore output, basically the voltage drop across the VRM itself. He didn't explain that at all in this video and should of made that clear, he has in other videos though.
Thanks @3800Tech that makes sense now, thank you for taking the time to answer. Felt like a bit of a numpty.
EVGA because black is still the new black and always will be.
The 3599 can skip phases though, dosn't it
ha, i just noticed the socket cover is labeled as an LGA2011-3 cover
Why isn't the VRM done like this?
i.imgur.com/hsQH8H4.png
They would only need 2 doublers, and it would partly solve the current balancing issue. Is there any reason why it's not a good idea to do this?
Utilitarian look?
X299 you say? how many lanes between everything and the cpu?
44 on 7900x and higher
More than enough.
Please review the x299 Dark...pretty please
Already done ""Ridiculous Overkill" - EVGA X299 DARK PCB Analysis" - ruclips.net/video/hUBR57lRy5k/видео.html
EVGA X299 Micro2 +
Intel i9-7980XE +
RTX 2080Ti +
And throw it in Aquarium with oil and temperture regulator (if it get hot - just down temperture).
How much?
Hey I tried posting this on the GN forums but couldn't cause mobile so here we go: Recently, I was running the folding@home program while I went off for a bit. When I came back my computer had shut itself down. Now, whenever I press the power button, I get a short burst of power through the system and then it cuts out again. Pressing the power button has no further effect until I turn the PSU off and on again. Anyone know what the issue is or how I could fix it?
Lucas Robertson . PSU is shutting down to protect itself from an over current. Given the PC was working, there’s probably a component failure. In order of convenience, keep trying after each one.
Reset the BIOS if you’re overclocking.
Remove the GPU and try to boot to BIOS using on-board graphics.
Strip it down to the minimum (motherboard, chip, memory), remove and examine all the cables for damage and PCBs for signs of overheating.
Add parts back in one at a time, e.g System disk so you can boot into Windows, etc.
Finally if it’s still faulty on bare minimum, you need to swap out the PSU and then motherboard.
Be patient and methodical as it can take a while to diagnose.
Andrew Small I'm running ryaen. Wouldn't I have to have the gpu? Is the motherboard a sure goner or is there a chance it's still good?
E-ATX and ATX is completely dead to me. Not something I even consider anymore. I prefer mATX, but have made some nice ITX builds too.
I really want mATX system... lol. My mITX is awesome... but the single pcie is saddening lol
That motherboard is $300, there’s nothing cheap about it.
Almost makes x299 viable, almost.
I have to say, real heatsinks are very sexy!
On the note of sexy heatsinks, does anyone here remember motherboars full with copper fins and heatpipes? Like, to the degree where you had a GPU sized heatinks to be screwed into the top PCI slot?
You need to improve your delivery skills Buildzoid. It's is very difficult to follow because you stray away from point all the time.
There should be a lot more VRM Coolers like this, imagine you buy a Ferrari and the motor overheats, becausr its radiator is too small ...
Wow theres a lot. Sadly I only understand english
EVGA makes all boards look bad, not just ATX.
Grillzoid
mmmm #content
Hahahaha... SLI.
301st!
Ooof
aint no one buying Intels x299 garbage.
i really like Threadripper but i wouldn't call x299 garbage because it has a 7% single threaded advantage over Threadripper and because it has quad channel memory and 125KB more cache per core(compared to Coffelake) it has the most single threaded CPU performance you can buy(yes it is better then the 8700K) and there's the option of having 18 cores instead of 16
the major downside with x299 is it consumes twice as much power and as Buildzoid pointed out in this video you can get away with big air coolers for 200-300 watts but that shit just wont work when a fully overclocked 7980XE consumes over 500 watts so technically if you made a godly custom system and you didn't care about money or power consumption x299 would be better but for every other use case Threadripper is probably better cant wait for the 3950X to drop in a couple of years and make all of these processors look completely obsolete
6th
ATX is bad. E-ATX is better.
Why don't you mention the price?? For the price of this you can buy an 8700K and a H370 board together. $$ is a big factor in decisions. Edit: buy 8700K because of better silicon which means you can use multi core enhancment all 6 cores at 4.7 as opposed to only 1 core at 4.6 for 8700.
Ggchb Gig ghb You're talking about extremely different setups. Also, don't buy a K SKU with an H board.
No 8700K is still better with non Z boards. H370 will run 8700K with MCE no problems. Still beastly CPUs both gaming and productivity. I just feel price per performances is important.
Why are you bringing it here?
This is for overkill build not the best value combo.
you know there is a reason for that, cheap motherboard to start and upgrade it later, its a cheaper route than buying a stock 8700 then a 8700k
MAYU That's pointless and stupid - the 8700k here is just £30 more if you can't afford it get a i5.
This guy ( kid ) is so clueless !