What you describe is exactly how this steering damper is supposed to work. It is a mechanical twin-rate damper and is designed to provide two dampening ratios for low or high-speed movement opposite to the R1 damper which is electronically controlled and likely has fully variable rates of dampening. The MT damper basically has two dampening "settings" automatically determined by the speed of movement. The clicking is a reduction valve reducing (or increasing) fluid flow therefore increasing dampening from a certain speed of movement. The "gap" is the fluid movement needed to close the valve. The stock dampener is really a great piece of equipment and better than a constant rate dampener that when set for the right high-speed dampening slows low-speed movement and is affecting low-speed handling and tip-in. Race bikes on track do not need to worry about low-speed dampening and effects on agility but for a street bike a variable rate steering damper is perfect.
I had the same exact issue where i had wobble not enough to throw me off but enough to shake confidence. I upgraded to the sd 047. Immediately had better stability. But i occasionally have a bit of head shake many due to hard acceleration ,wind ,poor road conditions ect. The wheelbase is so short with a rake of 24.0 its a recipe for high speed instability issues. I love this bike but some days i can do 150 and others hard to do 130 .. 😂
Yeah, the bike is much better once replacing the damper... I showed it to my suspension guy and he agreed that the stock unit with that slop in it, could absolutely allow some head shake... It might prevent a full on tank slapper, but the headshake is distracting and can cause its own issues..
I have the same thing om my 2022 MT10 SP. It surprised me. I never had that issue With my 2017 mt10. But I think that damper was electronic. The partnumber is the same. It’s both 2CR00 02. Strange. I am also going to try another damper.
I reviewed two different sub $50 Amazon dampers and both were MUCH better than the OEM one from Yamaha. Stay tuned for them, should be dropping shortly.
Great video Dave, interested in this, because I’m gonna get one myself. On a side note, the warning sticker that comes on the Yamaha tanks, what’s the best way to get it off without scratching the hell out of your tank?? Thanks for any input
As with any sticker or decal the best thing is heat. Get it warmed up good with a hair dryer or heat gun and then just start peeling. They’ll come off really easy and if there’s any residue left you can use something like goo gone or even WD40 to clean it up. Then if it’s a glossy paint I’d recommend putting some wax or protectant over that area.
Hair drier to soften the glue, carefully peel it off, and then clean up any gunk with WD40. Once it is clean, polish it like you would the rest of the bike
The mounting instructions from Ohlins states: “follow original steering damper wiring to connector and disconnect it. Connect the Ohlins resistor (21702-02), supplied in this kit. Attach the resistor with tie-raps provided.” I have a 2022 MT-10 SP. which doesn’t have an electric steering damper. I have no idea what Ohlins is talking about?😅
Before my MT10 i had a gsx s750 and I used to do 120-130mph with no problem, now on my mt10 anytime I go passed 100 I feel like the front shakes a little too much if I hit a bump. I would like for it to be stiffer, would changing the steering damper help?
@@gabetristan I have used these ones before and they were solid: www.amazon.com/Krace-Motorcycle-Steering-Stabilizer-R1%EF%BC%8FR3%EF%BC%8FR6%EF%BC%8FR15%EF%BC%8FR125%EF%BC%8FR25/dp/B07NN8RSL1/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2BVLXTY8QTHP8&keywords=motorcycle%2Bsteering%2Bdamper&qid=1697680536&s=automotive&sprefix=motorcycle%2Bsteering%2Bdamper%2Cautomotive%2C106&sr=1-3&th=1
i totally agree with all bikes should use damper,, but i had many bikes in the last 25 years,, never had problems with tank slapper on bmw gs1250 bmw 650 scooter or ducati 998 1299 v4 even and adventure ktm 1260 ,, i only had it on Japanese bikes r1 and cbr and even many of my friends noticed the same its happening 99.9% with Japanese bike and even when u check the videos on RUclips u will notice mostly of the video are Japanese bikes thats very weird.
i feel like its doing what its supposed to do. I've had Honda's electronic damper on my 600rr, its only on after 25mph, so its free to turn at slower speeds. I don't have them on my other 2 hondas, this MT-10 is my first bike with this kind of damper, and to me it feels like overtightened head bearings, so i guess I wish this damper was lighter at slow speeds and does what you're showing if the handlebars try to wobble.
@@SquireSCA if you put it on the bike, you cant even shake the bars that fast by hand. I think this damper works pretty good considering you can move the bars as fast as you need to like in a parking lot, but it wont allow you to have a tank slapper. That's why I don't like that basic dampers, it feels like your bars are stuck when doing slow maneuvers. At the end of the day, do what you want, I'm glad you showed how it worked with the high speed and low speed damping effect, so I now know that its not the damper i'm feeling, just tight head bearings. I'm going to keep this as it is.
@@TheDiamoniteG I didn't feel it when I shook the bars by hand. I felt it when the bike is power wheelying in the first few gears and the tire is skimming the road... Talked to some other folks who felt it as well, and while it caught the tank slapper, it allowed more side to side slapping than I liked. Haven't had any of that since switching it out...
@@SquireSCA well, you should only get handle bar shaking when overloading the front suspension, like maybe when you're landing/coming off a wheelie, and if you're wobbling during a wheelie i think it's something else and you're just covering it up with a new damper...your bars should be the most stable when accelerating since they're unloaded. If that happened to me, I would be looking for the root cause of that.
@@TheDiamoniteG The stock one feels jittery. Like I said before, it's not an uncommon complaint. Its the only damper I have ever had that felt like that. Some bikes don't come with them, while others do. I think the reason is that the manufacturers feel that some bikes need them. If you scroll down through the comments, you will see others with the same issue. That aside, I am waiting on my thicker fork springs and new Nitron 3 way adjustable shock to come in, and having my suspension guy install them and set them up.
Sulla prima generazione di mt 10 non è elettronico è un ammortizzatore di sterzo normale., quel.contatto che vedete sopra è un sensore che segnala alla.moto se la moto sta sbacchettando in modo da poterla gestire tagliando tempestivamente il gas , quello fornito da ohlins è un emulatore di segnale , nel kit di ohlins viene sempre fornito perché l ammortizzatore di sterzo è uguale nelle due generazioni , sulla seconda generazione non viene usato perché la moto sfrutta la piattaforma inerziale per sapere se ai alleggerisce l avantreno . Quello della seconda generazione è un ammortizzatore di sterzo ben studiato per.l uso anche stradale , a basse velocita è praticamente nullo il suo effetto e quendo serve ha una valvola meccanica che gestisce il flusso di olio nel serbatoio rendendolo piu duro nello scorrimento , un sistema geniale e ben fatto ,.il teggero movimento neutro serve solo per gestire la valvola ma alla guida non si avverte niente perché è minimo , quello dato da ohlins ha un funzionamento classico piu adatto alla pista e non alla strada dove le regolazioni sono necessarie ma anche scomode in manovra da fermo .
Quella gamma neutra sulle nuove unità è eccessiva e molte persone si lamentano del tremolio della parte anteriore. Sostituendolo con un ammortizzatore diverso, il problema è stato risolto.
Is your suspension stock, or did you set it up? I am gonna ride later with my adjustable damper, and I have another Ohlins style damper coming tomorrow that I will experiment with...
@@codynelson1223 Gonna try this one tomorrow: amzn.to/3AhV6Gn Trying this one today: amzn.to/3H0doQc Cheap, but I have used both in the past on other bikes and they were fine. Not like the OEM one is anything high end or special... haha
What you describe is exactly how this steering damper is supposed to work. It is a mechanical twin-rate damper and is designed to provide two dampening ratios for low or high-speed movement opposite to the R1 damper which is electronically controlled and likely has fully variable rates of dampening. The MT damper basically has two dampening "settings" automatically determined by the speed of movement. The clicking is a reduction valve reducing (or increasing) fluid flow therefore increasing dampening from a certain speed of movement. The "gap" is the fluid movement needed to close the valve. The stock dampener is really a great piece of equipment and better than a constant rate dampener that when set for the right high-speed dampening slows low-speed movement and is affecting low-speed handling and tip-in. Race bikes on track do not need to worry about low-speed dampening and effects on agility but for a street bike a variable rate steering damper is perfect.
I just didn't like the play in it. The new one works better.
I have the same bike and replaced it with hyperpro steering dumper and its a night and day so much better in high eccelration
Same on my bike got an Olin’s for it. The Olin’s also come with an electronics replacements for something gonna figure it out tonight when I put it on
I had the same exact issue where i had wobble not enough to throw me off but enough to shake confidence. I upgraded to the sd 047. Immediately had better stability. But i occasionally have a bit of head shake many due to hard acceleration ,wind ,poor road conditions ect. The wheelbase is so short with a rake of 24.0 its a recipe for high speed instability issues. I love this bike but some days i can do 150 and others hard to do 130 .. 😂
Yeah, the bike is much better once replacing the damper... I showed it to my suspension guy and he agreed that the stock unit with that slop in it, could absolutely allow some head shake... It might prevent a full on tank slapper, but the headshake is distracting and can cause its own issues..
I have the same thing om my 2022 MT10 SP. It surprised me. I never had that issue With my 2017 mt10. But I think that damper was electronic. The partnumber is the same. It’s both 2CR00 02. Strange. I am also going to try another damper.
I reviewed two different sub $50 Amazon dampers and both were MUCH better than the OEM one from Yamaha. Stay tuned for them, should be dropping shortly.
Great video Dave, interested in this, because I’m gonna get one myself. On a side note, the warning sticker that comes on the Yamaha tanks, what’s the best way to get it off without scratching the hell out of your tank?? Thanks for any input
As with any sticker or decal the best thing is heat. Get it warmed up good with a hair dryer or heat gun and then just start peeling. They’ll come off really easy and if there’s any residue left you can use something like goo gone or even WD40 to clean it up. Then if it’s a glossy paint I’d recommend putting some wax or protectant over that area.
Hair drier to soften the glue, carefully peel it off, and then clean up any gunk with WD40. Once it is clean, polish it like you would the rest of the bike
The mounting instructions from Ohlins states: “follow original steering damper wiring to connector and disconnect it. Connect the Ohlins resistor (21702-02), supplied in this kit. Attach the resistor with tie-raps provided.” I have a 2022 MT-10 SP. which doesn’t have an electric steering damper. I have no idea what Ohlins is talking about?😅
Typical case of nobody updating the installation guide.
Gen 1 had electronic steering damper
Before my MT10 i had a gsx s750 and I used to do 120-130mph with no problem, now on my mt10 anytime I go passed 100 I feel like the front shakes a little too much if I hit a bump. I would like for it to be stiffer, would changing the steering damper help?
It did with mine. The latest gen MT10 comes with a different damper, and I didn't care for it. Swapping it out, fixed that wobble.
@@SquireSCA which damper from amazon did you end up going with? I saw you posted links to 2 different ones but which one did you keep on the bike?
@@JC-fz9zw amzn.to/3O9umzC
@@SquireSCAit seems everything motorcycle related is out of stock. Wtf??
@@gabetristan I have used these ones before and they were solid:
www.amazon.com/Krace-Motorcycle-Steering-Stabilizer-R1%EF%BC%8FR3%EF%BC%8FR6%EF%BC%8FR15%EF%BC%8FR125%EF%BC%8FR25/dp/B07NN8RSL1/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2BVLXTY8QTHP8&keywords=motorcycle%2Bsteering%2Bdamper&qid=1697680536&s=automotive&sprefix=motorcycle%2Bsteering%2Bdamper%2Cautomotive%2C106&sr=1-3&th=1
i totally agree with all bikes should use damper,, but i had many bikes in the last 25 years,, never had problems with tank slapper on bmw gs1250 bmw 650 scooter or ducati 998 1299 v4 even and adventure ktm 1260 ,, i only had it on Japanese bikes r1 and cbr and even many of my friends noticed the same its happening 99.9% with Japanese bike and even when u check the videos on RUclips u will notice mostly of the video are Japanese bikes thats very weird.
i feel like its doing what its supposed to do. I've had Honda's electronic damper on my 600rr, its only on after 25mph, so its free to turn at slower speeds. I don't have them on my other 2 hondas, this MT-10 is my first bike with this kind of damper, and to me it feels like overtightened head bearings, so i guess I wish this damper was lighter at slow speeds and does what you're showing if the handlebars try to wobble.
Yeah, I feel like that is what they were going for, but that wiggle that it allows, Kina defeats the purposed IMHO.
@@SquireSCA if you put it on the bike, you cant even shake the bars that fast by hand. I think this damper works pretty good considering you can move the bars as fast as you need to like in a parking lot, but it wont allow you to have a tank slapper. That's why I don't like that basic dampers, it feels like your bars are stuck when doing slow maneuvers. At the end of the day, do what you want, I'm glad you showed how it worked with the high speed and low speed damping effect, so I now know that its not the damper i'm feeling, just tight head bearings. I'm going to keep this as it is.
@@TheDiamoniteG I didn't feel it when I shook the bars by hand. I felt it when the bike is power wheelying in the first few gears and the tire is skimming the road... Talked to some other folks who felt it as well, and while it caught the tank slapper, it allowed more side to side slapping than I liked.
Haven't had any of that since switching it out...
@@SquireSCA well, you should only get handle bar shaking when overloading the front suspension, like maybe when you're landing/coming off a wheelie, and if you're wobbling during a wheelie i think it's something else and you're just covering it up with a new damper...your bars should be the most stable when accelerating since they're unloaded. If that happened to me, I would be looking for the root cause of that.
@@TheDiamoniteG The stock one feels jittery. Like I said before, it's not an uncommon complaint. Its the only damper I have ever had that felt like that. Some bikes don't come with them, while others do. I think the reason is that the manufacturers feel that some bikes need them.
If you scroll down through the comments, you will see others with the same issue.
That aside, I am waiting on my thicker fork springs and new Nitron 3 way adjustable shock to come in, and having my suspension guy install them and set them up.
Sulla prima generazione di mt 10 non è elettronico è un ammortizzatore di sterzo normale., quel.contatto che vedete sopra è un sensore che segnala alla.moto se la moto sta sbacchettando in modo da poterla gestire tagliando tempestivamente il gas , quello fornito da ohlins è un emulatore di segnale , nel kit di ohlins viene sempre fornito perché l ammortizzatore di sterzo è uguale nelle due generazioni , sulla seconda generazione non viene usato perché la moto sfrutta la piattaforma inerziale per sapere se ai alleggerisce l avantreno .
Quello della seconda generazione è un ammortizzatore di sterzo ben studiato per.l uso anche stradale , a basse velocita è praticamente nullo il suo effetto e quendo serve ha una valvola meccanica che gestisce il flusso di olio nel serbatoio rendendolo piu duro nello scorrimento , un sistema geniale e ben fatto ,.il teggero movimento neutro serve solo per gestire la valvola ma alla guida non si avverte niente perché è minimo , quello dato da ohlins ha un funzionamento classico piu adatto alla pista e non alla strada dove le regolazioni sono necessarie ma anche scomode in manovra da fermo .
Quella gamma neutra sulle nuove unità è eccessiva e molte persone si lamentano del tremolio della parte anteriore. Sostituendolo con un ammortizzatore diverso, il problema è stato risolto.
I get the same head shake when the front floats. 23 mt10
Is your suspension stock, or did you set it up?
I am gonna ride later with my adjustable damper, and I have another Ohlins style damper coming tomorrow that I will experiment with...
@@SquireSCA bone stock. What's the model of damper your installing?
@@codynelson1223 Gonna try this one tomorrow:
amzn.to/3AhV6Gn
Trying this one today:
amzn.to/3H0doQc
Cheap, but I have used both in the past on other bikes and they were fine. Not like the OEM one is anything high end or special... haha
@@SquireSCA post an update or comment your findings. Thanks!
I get the same thing with my 23 mt 10