I have NO idea how you can go that speed and lean in rainy weather with a wet road. I just simply don't have the balls to do that out of fear of low-siding.
Ah it'll be up till now with the tyres being new they feel a little bit slippy until worn in. Now you've done 800 miles you should get better grip. I've looked up the review of those tyres and they seem ok. Just be smooth with your controls and build your confidence in your bike and tyres over time. Once you've done another few hundred miles, let me know your thoughts then, make sure you practice in wet conditions to build confidence. 😉
I've been riding over 50 years, I dont consider myself a good rider at all. This is very helpful I'm definitely going to practice this. Thanks for upload.
Very informative instructional video. I once oversped on a closing limit point / corner once before on my Africa Twin 1100 manual, thankfully managed the bend but close shave on avoiding collision with the verge. I'm now using limit points to dictate my speed as I previously had not been privvy to this. Thankyou sincerely and keep up the great content. 👍
At the beginning static explanation I thought that you were over complicating things but as soon as you demonstrated on a moving bike it became crystal clear. An excellent explanation and I imagine that it will be a great help to many.
Just found your channel and this video... I've been riding a very long time and I guess I sort of have been doing this intuitively, but I didn't know there was a "tool" like this to visually make speed decisions in a quite clear and logical way. Thank you for sharing in such a concise way with the thorough talk-through during your ride.... I'm going to practice this from now on!
Fantastic! I'm glad you found it useful and I'm delighted that another rider will be a bit safer on the roads. Thanks for taking the time to watch the videos, very much appreciated 🙏🏻 Ride safe. Pete www.121motoskills.co.uk
Hi there, just found your channel & have watched all your posts, very helpful, Riden for many years in Sussex but moved to Sweden 30 years ago, Am back after a long time away from 2 wheels, Always interested in learning other bikers techniques, information & tips so subbed, Started a channel myself this year & enjoying getting out there & trying to grow it, I look forward to.more posts, Cheers 👍
I think when limit points are explained to people, it is not always clear that there isn't a connection between how fast you are going and what the limit point is doing. The limit point is telling you what is going on ahead, but would still close down on a hard bend if you were travelling at 20 mph, it's not a speed calculator as such but definitely useful to help learn to negotiate bends safely and efficiently, and as you say, needs to be paired with being able to stop in the space you can see. Maybe weather conditions worth a mention too? It seems obvious, but if it's hammering it down, riding hard on limit points wouldn't be a good idea.
I learned this years ago an it was like a light bulb going off in my head. Actually I took it one step further and made a imaginary connection between the limit point and my throttle hand. Closing and I would reduce throttle and cover the break. Hold and Open will add throttle..Also like in the book "Roadcraft" I would also look a the trees, lampposts and telegraph posts. They will give you information besides the limit point on what to do with the throttle and brake... Ironic as I had a 2005 Pan/ST1300. After I had the suspension sorted the tubby girl could hustle thru corners pretty well. Great bike, Great vid btw...
We got taught to use both curbs not the centre line as the curbs are easier to follow. We knew this method as the "vanishing" point and also if we got it slightly wrong, to use counter steer which I have to say came across as counter tuitive and one of the most difficult methods I ever learned! Great video though, the wet leaves would negate the need for speed regardless though. I've had a few twitchy moments on grids covered in wet leaves😂😂😂😂😂
Just a request. If you could do this same sort of video in fair weather with a clear view (for us) that would be excellent! Your channel is most helpful, friend. Thank you from Chicago USA.
@@vioss Nopes... I ride the same bike, that screen is fully up. "That is no problem in the rain ...👍... if your screen is clear-polished with one of the many products!" Myself I use a product for the visor & works very well. ( spray in-side & out-side).
@MVW54 No one said there's a problem with the screen. The problem is the camera is behind the screen, therefore it is difficult to see the road ahead in the actual video due to the rain on the screen and, has someone else already correctly pointed out, the camera is focusing on the screen.
Problem is, in the rain the camera lens would be covered in water if not for the screen, not an easy one to film clearly, but rather than focusing on a wet screen, focus on the information being discussed. Ride safe 🙏🏻
@121MotoSkills it's actually one of my biggest issues if not theeeee biggest issue I have when taking bike out... Probably an ego thing but also an f them thing,
Thanks for your honesty 😊 I understand how you feel. Try looking at it this way. You are right they shouldn't be tailgating but is it worth potentially having an injury or worse? Think about the possibility of waking up one day in a hospital because someone rear ended you and you could have avoided it by just taking a few seconds to let them pass. You'll still arrive at your destination at about the same time, you'll arrive less stressed and angry. If we remember how vulnerable we are and how much we have to lose if we are involved in an accident it will influence our decisions on the road. Try to ride as calmly as you can, swallow pride and don't fight for a bit of space on the road. Rather the idiotic driver in front than behind you 😉 Ride safely buddy 🤜🏻🤛🏻
@@121MotoSkills Thank you and yes I get ya - bikers are prey to even the smallest car on the road in an impact. I just feel some of them resent bikers especially if we are leathered up (I only feel good in my leather suit on the bike) and they are probably thinking - Oh this guy thinks he's Mark Marquesz etc... when they are too stupid to realise that leather suit is one of the last lines of protection we may have... Thanks for your feedback and videos, I will watch more later.,..
@@stevehotshotsantini9777 yes indeed, there was a right bend just after that second left one but due to a very small raise in the road it wasn't visible but yes as long as the point was clear and it made sense while on the road that's the important point.
You're correct David, this, in conjunction with road positioning and the ability to stop in the distance you can see is, indeed, common sense in my opinion. I've been riding for 60 years and am still alive so I'm doing something right.
I have NO idea how you can go that speed and lean in rainy weather with a wet road. I just simply don't have the balls to do that out of fear of low-siding.
What bike are you using and what tyres do you have on currently? Have you checked the tread?
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@@121MotoSkills 2024 YAMAHA XMAX 300. Dunlop Scootsmart. Only 800 miles on them.
Ah it'll be up till now with the tyres being new they feel a little bit slippy until worn in. Now you've done 800 miles you should get better grip. I've looked up the review of those tyres and they seem ok.
Just be smooth with your controls and build your confidence in your bike and tyres over time.
Once you've done another few hundred miles, let me know your thoughts then, make sure you practice in wet conditions to build confidence. 😉
@@121MotoSkills WOW, thank you for such a great reply and taking the time out of your day to respond. God bless!
Honestly no problem happy to assist ☺️
Ride safely buddy
Closing......CLOSE...... throttle.
Holding......HOLD........throttle.
Opening.....OPEN........throttle.
I've been riding over 50 years, I dont consider myself a good rider at all. This is very helpful I'm definitely going to practice this. Thanks for upload.
Delighted you found the content useful 👍🏻 😀
Back in the day we called it the vanishing point.
We still do in Australia.
@r1learner178 ha ha, thought all your roads were straight
I always thought it was just how you ride, I just becomes second nature, just like muscle memory when you ride for a while.
Very informative instructional video. I once oversped on a closing limit point / corner once before on my Africa Twin 1100 manual, thankfully managed the bend but close shave on avoiding collision with the verge. I'm now using limit points to dictate my speed as I previously had not been privvy to this. Thankyou sincerely and keep up the great content. 👍
@@luckylionheart glad you were ok! Thank you for watching and appreciate the kind comment 😀
At the beginning static explanation I thought that you were over complicating things but as soon as you demonstrated on a moving bike it became crystal clear. An excellent explanation and I imagine that it will be a great help to many.
@@Billgiles-56 😊👍🏻
"crystal clear" unlike the screen!
This is brilliant, I am thinking about doing my MOD 1 & 2 tests in the new year and any information is much appreciated.
Superb! Hope the content helps you 🙏🏻
Just found your channel and this video... I've been riding a very long time and I guess I sort of have been doing this intuitively, but I didn't know there was a "tool" like this to visually make speed decisions in a quite clear and logical way. Thank you for sharing in such a concise way with the thorough talk-through during your ride.... I'm going to practice this from now on!
Thats fantastic, I'm delighted you found the video useful 😀
That was such a helpful video, it's helped me tremendously. Thank you!
Fantastic! I'm glad you found it useful and I'm delighted that another rider will be a bit safer on the roads.
Thanks for taking the time to watch the videos, very much appreciated 🙏🏻
Ride safe.
Pete
www.121motoskills.co.uk
Hi there, just found your channel & have watched all your posts, very helpful, Riden for many years in Sussex but moved to Sweden 30 years ago, Am back after a long time away from 2 wheels, Always interested in learning other bikers techniques, information & tips so subbed, Started a channel myself this year & enjoying getting out there & trying to grow it,
I look forward to.more posts, Cheers 👍
😊🤜🏻🤛🏻
Thank you so much for this. It will also help with getting to me to avoid the middle distance focus.
thanks for sharing
No problem, hope it helps 😊
This is priceless! Especially for a newbie like myself. Thank you for sharing, sir 🙏🏼
Very welcome!
Safe riding 🤜🏻🤛🏻
I think when limit points are explained to people, it is not always clear that there isn't a connection between how fast you are going and what the limit point is doing. The limit point is telling you what is going on ahead, but would still close down on a hard bend if you were travelling at 20 mph, it's not a speed calculator as such but definitely useful to help learn to negotiate bends safely and efficiently, and as you say, needs to be paired with being able to stop in the space you can see. Maybe weather conditions worth a mention too? It seems obvious, but if it's hammering it down, riding hard on limit points wouldn't be a good idea.
I learned this years ago an it was like a light bulb going off in my head. Actually I took it one step further and made a imaginary connection between the limit point and my throttle hand. Closing and I would reduce throttle and cover the break. Hold and Open will add throttle..Also like in the book "Roadcraft" I would also look a the trees, lampposts and telegraph posts. They will give you information besides the limit point on what to do with the throttle and brake... Ironic as I had a 2005 Pan/ST1300. After I had the suspension sorted the tubby girl could hustle thru corners pretty well. Great bike, Great vid btw...
Delighted you like the video 😊🤜🏻🤛🏻
Great tip - this is exactly what have been looking for, for many years. Would be nice with some of graphic to illustrate even more clearly ;)
I'm delighted you found the video useful 😊🤜🏻🤛🏻
We got taught to use both curbs not the centre line as the curbs are easier to follow. We knew this method as the "vanishing" point and also if we got it slightly wrong, to use counter steer which I have to say came across as counter tuitive and one of the most difficult methods I ever learned!
Great video though, the wet leaves would negate the need for speed regardless though. I've had a few twitchy moments on grids covered in wet leaves😂😂😂😂😂
Love the pan, great vid.
Thanks buddy! The Pan is superb 👌🏻
Just looking to see how many people know better instead of using IPSGA they use DDITW 😂😂
Great info and explanation 👍
Yeah yeah know it already.
But excellent riding advice executed marvelously ✌
Nice and good teaching, thank U
Very welcome 🙏🏻
Lovely clear introductions, 👌
😊🤜🏻🤛🏻
Just a request. If you could do this same sort of video in fair weather with a clear view (for us) that would be excellent! Your channel is most helpful, friend. Thank you from Chicago USA.
Certainly 😊🤜🏻🤛🏻
That would be a bit difficult in England at this time of the year😂
Even more so in North East Scotland 🤣
Bardzo dobra wiedza ! Dziękuję za ten film.
pozdrawiam z polski
Thank you 😊
10:50 That's why you keep enough distance. Well done!
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@@121MotoSkills Where I live this is a daily routine... expect the unexpected 🙏
Absolutely 💯
Never let a motorcycle take you somewhere your brain wasn't three seconds earlier.
Indeed! My saying is don't put your bike where your eyes haven't been first. 😊🤜🏻🤛🏻
@@121MotoSkills Heh-heh. Look where you want to go...and if you're going to crash, look for somewhere soft.
🤣🤣
Never come across the acronym EMMA. I’ll use this one. Thanks
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Difficult to see the corners clearly through the wet bike screen.
@@Harold_Shand apologies 🙏🏻
This is more an issue from the camera side. It focuses on the screen
@@vioss Nopes... I ride the same bike, that screen is fully up. "That is no problem in the rain ...👍... if your screen is clear-polished with one of the many products!" Myself I use a product for the visor & works very well. ( spray in-side & out-side).
@MVW54 No one said there's a problem with the screen. The problem is the camera is behind the screen, therefore it is difficult to see the road ahead in the actual video due to the rain on the screen and, has someone else already correctly pointed out, the camera is focusing on the screen.
Problem is, in the rain the camera lens would be covered in water if not for the screen, not an easy one to film clearly, but rather than focusing on a wet screen, focus on the information being discussed.
Ride safe 🙏🏻
Amm.... tailgating issue .. I wouldn't have pulled in. Can you address this issue in a video sometime?
Why not pull in if safe to do so? Only takes a few seconds 😉
@121MotoSkills it's actually one of my biggest issues if not theeeee biggest issue I have when taking bike out... Probably an ego thing but also an f them thing,
Thanks for your honesty 😊
I understand how you feel. Try looking at it this way. You are right they shouldn't be tailgating but is it worth potentially having an injury or worse? Think about the possibility of waking up one day in a hospital because someone rear ended you and you could have avoided it by just taking a few seconds to let them pass. You'll still arrive at your destination at about the same time, you'll arrive less stressed and angry. If we remember how vulnerable we are and how much we have to lose if we are involved in an accident it will influence our decisions on the road. Try to ride as calmly as you can, swallow pride and don't fight for a bit of space on the road. Rather the idiotic driver in front than behind you 😉
Ride safely buddy 🤜🏻🤛🏻
@@121MotoSkills Thank you and yes I get ya - bikers are prey to even the smallest car on the road in an impact. I just feel some of them resent bikers especially if we are leathered up (I only feel good in my leather suit on the bike) and they are probably thinking - Oh this guy thinks he's Mark Marquesz etc... when they are too stupid to realise that leather suit is one of the last lines of protection we may have... Thanks for your feedback and videos, I will watch more later.,..
@pmacc3557 😉🤜🏻🤛🏻
First and second bends were both left hand bends...but yea, principle is the same...😂
@@stevehotshotsantini9777 yes indeed, there was a right bend just after that second left one but due to a very small raise in the road it wasn't visible but yes as long as the point was clear and it made sense while on the road that's the important point.
why not couter stiering ???
This looks just like Marin County north of San Francisco. Lots of cows and goats.
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Limit point = vanishing point then
@@TheScortUK yes indeed same thing 👍🏻
I’m perhaps being a bit critical but looking for limit points through that tremendously poor visibility screen is not an ideal teaching aid
I can see perfectly well 👍🏻 but will take this on board for recording future content
shame its so difficult to see through the bike's screen but otherwise a useful video.
Don’t need limit points if you trail brake
@@volt8684 incorrect. Trail braking is a method of slowing the bike for corners. Limit points are a way of judging speed for corners.
I don't agree.
Agree with what sorry?
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@@121MotoSkills I think @hctim96 doesn't agree with @volt8684. Like most of us 🤣
You could always just try some "common sense "?
If "common sense" is so common why do people crash on motorcycles?
Not that common.
No such thing as common sense.
You're correct David, this, in conjunction with road positioning and the ability to stop in the distance you can see is, indeed, common sense in my opinion. I've been riding for 60 years and am still alive so I'm doing something right.
Great reg capture of that useless red car driver at 08:31 😉. Thanks for a great video mate, taught me a lot 👌
@caryfielder3796 😉👍🏻