The grandma story... i cant help but think its telling us something very important. A grandmother, who is dead, killing her grandchild and hunting the others... In the setting, a good porrion if the afterlife is blocked off by a ibfibte maze. On the other side kf the maze and steadily chewing through it is the Grand Maw of Oblivion. Also known as Grandma.
i've had theories about it. supposedly it happened around 30 years before the story i think? i forget where i heard that but i think one of the videos said it i wonder if it links into the past of one of the characters somehow, if maybe that was kitten, but it could also just be karl doing what he does.
Kine, as we already know, references humans (cattle to the Kindred), Kindred are a term for vampires, but specifically Cainite vampires, so Camarilla, Sabbat, Anarchs, normal non-asian style vamps. Garou means werewolves. Milklings is a derogatory term for Fae. Elohim means angels. "Thine Faeder" means "your father". The Abbot refers to a specific rank in the Camarilla. The "rising three" likely refers to the Wyrm and Gaia in werewolf spiritual lore.
I think Abbot may refer to the monk story Kitten told (robed figure in the monastery stuff) and/or the Shaman Queen with her violin rather than the Sabbat rank.
@@gokbay3057 I think it's a reference to Kevin, but that could also work. The more i talk about this prophecy, the more i appreciate how well crafted it is
So, I should probably correct your misunderstanding on absinthe. I'm a big fan of cocktails and their history so I'm kind of a nerd for this stuff. That spirit has a rather wild history and a whole lot of folklore that has grown up around it. It was banned in several countries, though notably only ones where it had been popular, as well as the US, largely beginning in the 1910s for a whole host of reasons. Around the 1990s, a revival occurred in countries where it was legal (notably the UK and Czechia) and the bans were reversed, namely as the EU made it legal with some limitations in 1988 and other countries like the US followed suit in 2007. Just to be entirely clear, no, you will not fail a drug test for drinking absinthe. Unless it's a sobriety test, and even then, not really any more than any other hard spirit. So what actually is absinthe? Simply put, it's an anise-flavored spirit made with several herbs, including wormwood, similar to many other herbal spirits like Italian amaro, digestifs like Jägermeister, or other anise spirits like pastis or ouzo. For those unfamiliar, anise is the flavor of black licorice and general "licorice" flavor. Absinthe is frequently portrayed as a hallucinogen and a dangerous psychoactive drug and has been since the late 1890s to 1910s when bans were first instituted. I won't dive too deeply into the history of this, but suffice to say that the bulk of the actual issue here is more of a "Reefer Madness" style frenzy that began in France and spread outward. Due to these bans and the subsequent dropoff in popularity, absinthe retained its "Green Fairy" nickname and reputation for decades. However, it was never demonstrated that absinthe was actually dangerous in any way or actually caused hallucinations to begin with. Why do people claim stuff like absinthe triggering drug tests? Because thujone, a chemical found in wormwood, has hallucinogenic properties and is chemically similar to THC, the active chemical in cannabis. Though, for what its worth, the rumors usually claim that absinthe will trigger an LSD test due to the hallucinogenic properties. Modern absinthe has legal limitations for the amount of thujone that can be present. But, it is important to note that even historical absinthe never had enough of that chemical to actually cause hallucinations, and today modern absinthe either has no wormwood at all or, if you're spending a few hundred dollars on a bottle, a very trace amount beneath the legal limit. In short, you cannot today (and likely never could) get a psychedelic high off of the spirit, nor can it trigger a drug test. To go deeper into the history, back in the 1910s when the spirit was banned, it was linked to a unfortunate murder-suicide amongst other crimes in a series of smear campaigns. This was generally because the drink was popular among the poorer population of France, particularly those of a "bohemian" inclination, as it lacked the pompous snobbery associated with wine and the upper classes who preferred it. That was combined that with early, very flawed chemical tests on wormwood oil, which had a much higher amount of thujone, to "prove" its dangers. French elites and wine industry both pushed heavily for its banning, though ironically France would be the last to do so, outlawing the spirit in 1914. Generally, as the smear campaigns and poor reputation spread, other countries banned the less-popular drink more swiftly. Even the US had already banned the spirit by that point in 1912, though that was mostly due to its association with immigrants and was part of the early Prohibition movements. As for how to drink absinthe, traditionally there is a rather fancy setup involving a special glass, a slotted spoon placed above it, and a sugar cube you drip cold water over until it is dissolved and the rest of the glass filled. You can get the same effect by pouring yourself some absinthe, adding some sugar or simple syrup, and a generous ratio of water. I've seen some recommending going as far as 1:10 absinthe/water. Generally speaking, this was a typical way of serving hard spirits back in the day and to an extent still is, if you consider cocktails a sort of offshoot of this kind of watering down. There's also a Bohemian method involving setting the sugar cube on fire and lighting the drink, which makes the overall cocktail stronger, but this is generally considered a modern gimmick as it destroys the flavor of the spirit, which, for the price of a bottle, you probably don't want to do.
If D had a bunch of kids with a bunch of parents, I wonder if Door is someone that came from Alaska or some other part of the cold? Rogal Dorn in WH40k was noted from originating from pretty much an Ice Planet in which he not only survived but helped create an empire that was second only to the Toilet Seats (although after Dorn is found this is never really brought up again other than his Flagship). If Door (his equivalent) is of the states(?) then could he have been from Alaska as part of his WoD Lore?
Changeling bodies don't fade away. The entire point of their lore is that they are human bodies. He was a Nagarajah that probably didn't die, and instead just used a Discipline to hide.
Okay at first I thought that Horse was either half-selkie(via means we do not want to know) or a regular horse stolen from somewhere, now I'm thinking something more eldritch.
A hunter’s sanity goes with time and exposure to the supernatural (not to excuse Big D, just explain him a little bit.) Also, there is an organovore flaw that affects some vampires even outside the clan mentioned, so it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s that clan. Lastly, would advise you look a bit more into the Werewolf the Apocalypse lore, in particular Banes and Wyrm Spirits. One of those likely fits what has possessed Horse.
I'd wager that Horse is actually some kind of obscure equine Shifter, because it would be significantly less kind if it was possessed by a Bane spirit. Although I wouldn't rule out Horse being possessed by the ghost of one D's sons, i.e. Horus. Boy also uses the term 'combat horse', which may be a reference to some unseen War Form. And Horse calls attention to a bit of Garou terminology, so he probably has ties to them. And if D's ramblings are correct... Horse might actually be a part of D. We're not certain what D actually is, and if they're trying to tie this back into 40k, D and some of his family, namely his sons, might be shards of Big E. We really need more data...
@@TheAngryXenite Considering the namesake is Hunter The Reckoning and not Hunter The Vigil, how D says he is 'built different', and the peculiarity of his eyes? I'd wager yes, but there's been no confirmation. Hell, D might not know what an Imbued is despite being one.
I am 99% sure Horse is some kind of a Fae. The story Kitten heard from Big D about him "being born out of D's head like Athena" would make a lot of sense if Horse was a Faerie...
I think the intro song that D was singing was Freak on a Leash by korn Also wormwood(the ingredient in absinthe said to be hallucinogenic) is actually not hallucinogenic
My first thought when kitten said his first vampire encounter was eating someone's organs was that the vampire was an organvore. In the system, it's a 2 dot flaw that limits your feeding from only being able to slake hunger through the consumption of organs rather than drinking someone. Lore wise it's surprisingly more common than one might think, also the preferred organvore feeding method is to blend the organs into a smoothie. My first vampire character was an organvore, I honestly love the flaw to the point I consider it a merit instead lol.
My guess would be Malkavian because dude sounds crazy either that or Giovanni or Nagaraja from the extremely weird feeding preferences Giovanni's can have cannibals in their ranks and they're like second place in who the wealthiest vamps are contest
I'd lean more towards Malkavian due to the insane and nonsensical rambling. After all, eating the flesh is something that can affect clans beyond the Giovanni's and Nagaraja's, and it wouldn't be surprising if the insanity of a Malkavian also compelled to eat specific organs or something.
46:00- No, well, not exactly. The third generation supposedly KILLED the second and made Caine mad, but the fourth generation supposedly killed the third, and anybody who's anybody knows that didn't happen.
I had a shot of what was supposedly absinthe at a sci-fi convention once. I threw up maybe fifteen minutes later, after which I felt better than I had all day.
I think the sister of Kitten might be the woman I can't remember her name the deadpan one that lives in the black Libary with the Clown God. In this canon She might just be marry to a clown or comedian
Horse’s eyes are the Eye of Horus. Also about the Karl bit: In Wrath/Orpheus there is a force known as Oblivion led by a figure known as the the Grand Maw. It sometimes is misheard as the grandma or grandmother.
I wish they would have had ended if the emperor had a text-to-speech device cuz I really want to see what magnus's reaction would have been at the death of the captain-general
Notice what Horse says: Does thine eyes see, Oracle? Gaze into my crimson miasma. Then remember, that Boy first thought blood stains as paintings.
Horse is a good boy. He loves his nephew and is warning him of dangers to come.
so Horse is Horus?
It is an uncle's duty to scare the living out of their nephews and nieces.
As an uncle, I can confirm this.
The grandma story... i cant help but think its telling us something very important.
A grandmother, who is dead, killing her grandchild and hunting the others...
In the setting, a good porrion if the afterlife is blocked off by a ibfibte maze. On the other side kf the maze and steadily chewing through it is the Grand Maw of Oblivion.
Also known as Grandma.
Grandma is just a servant of Oblivion (The Wyrm).
i've had theories about it. supposedly it happened around 30 years before the story i think? i forget where i heard that but i think one of the videos said it
i wonder if it links into the past of one of the characters somehow, if maybe that was kitten, but it could also just be karl doing what he does.
At first I thought Horse's possession was Boy's hallucination from the Absinthe, but when it spoke after everyone had left....
Kine, as we already know, references humans (cattle to the Kindred), Kindred are a term for vampires, but specifically Cainite vampires, so Camarilla, Sabbat, Anarchs, normal non-asian style vamps. Garou means werewolves. Milklings is a derogatory term for Fae. Elohim means angels.
"Thine Faeder" means "your father". The Abbot refers to a specific rank in the Camarilla. The "rising three" likely refers to the Wyrm and Gaia in werewolf spiritual lore.
Milkling is specific it means changelings, not actual fae
Elohim means God actually, in Hebrew not angels
The Abbot is a Sabbat rank actually
I think Abbot may refer to the monk story Kitten told (robed figure in the monastery stuff) and/or the Shaman Queen with her violin rather than the Sabbat rank.
@@gokbay3057 I think it's a reference to Kevin, but that could also work.
The more i talk about this prophecy, the more i appreciate how well crafted it is
So, I should probably correct your misunderstanding on absinthe. I'm a big fan of cocktails and their history so I'm kind of a nerd for this stuff. That spirit has a rather wild history and a whole lot of folklore that has grown up around it. It was banned in several countries, though notably only ones where it had been popular, as well as the US, largely beginning in the 1910s for a whole host of reasons. Around the 1990s, a revival occurred in countries where it was legal (notably the UK and Czechia) and the bans were reversed, namely as the EU made it legal with some limitations in 1988 and other countries like the US followed suit in 2007. Just to be entirely clear, no, you will not fail a drug test for drinking absinthe. Unless it's a sobriety test, and even then, not really any more than any other hard spirit.
So what actually is absinthe? Simply put, it's an anise-flavored spirit made with several herbs, including wormwood, similar to many other herbal spirits like Italian amaro, digestifs like Jägermeister, or other anise spirits like pastis or ouzo. For those unfamiliar, anise is the flavor of black licorice and general "licorice" flavor.
Absinthe is frequently portrayed as a hallucinogen and a dangerous psychoactive drug and has been since the late 1890s to 1910s when bans were first instituted. I won't dive too deeply into the history of this, but suffice to say that the bulk of the actual issue here is more of a "Reefer Madness" style frenzy that began in France and spread outward. Due to these bans and the subsequent dropoff in popularity, absinthe retained its "Green Fairy" nickname and reputation for decades. However, it was never demonstrated that absinthe was actually dangerous in any way or actually caused hallucinations to begin with.
Why do people claim stuff like absinthe triggering drug tests? Because thujone, a chemical found in wormwood, has hallucinogenic properties and is chemically similar to THC, the active chemical in cannabis. Though, for what its worth, the rumors usually claim that absinthe will trigger an LSD test due to the hallucinogenic properties. Modern absinthe has legal limitations for the amount of thujone that can be present. But, it is important to note that even historical absinthe never had enough of that chemical to actually cause hallucinations, and today modern absinthe either has no wormwood at all or, if you're spending a few hundred dollars on a bottle, a very trace amount beneath the legal limit. In short, you cannot today (and likely never could) get a psychedelic high off of the spirit, nor can it trigger a drug test.
To go deeper into the history, back in the 1910s when the spirit was banned, it was linked to a unfortunate murder-suicide amongst other crimes in a series of smear campaigns. This was generally because the drink was popular among the poorer population of France, particularly those of a "bohemian" inclination, as it lacked the pompous snobbery associated with wine and the upper classes who preferred it. That was combined that with early, very flawed chemical tests on wormwood oil, which had a much higher amount of thujone, to "prove" its dangers. French elites and wine industry both pushed heavily for its banning, though ironically France would be the last to do so, outlawing the spirit in 1914. Generally, as the smear campaigns and poor reputation spread, other countries banned the less-popular drink more swiftly. Even the US had already banned the spirit by that point in 1912, though that was mostly due to its association with immigrants and was part of the early Prohibition movements.
As for how to drink absinthe, traditionally there is a rather fancy setup involving a special glass, a slotted spoon placed above it, and a sugar cube you drip cold water over until it is dissolved and the rest of the glass filled. You can get the same effect by pouring yourself some absinthe, adding some sugar or simple syrup, and a generous ratio of water. I've seen some recommending going as far as 1:10 absinthe/water. Generally speaking, this was a typical way of serving hard spirits back in the day and to an extent still is, if you consider cocktails a sort of offshoot of this kind of watering down. There's also a Bohemian method involving setting the sugar cube on fire and lighting the drink, which makes the overall cocktail stronger, but this is generally considered a modern gimmick as it destroys the flavor of the spirit, which, for the price of a bottle, you probably don't want to do.
Wow, that was very boring. Thank you.
I like your funny words, drinky man.
Fascinating. I don't personally drink, but I find the history, sociology, and other details to interesting.
That's pretty neat.
The way I would recommend absinthe is not at all. Or vomited over the self and bed. One kinda leads to the other.
I haven’t heard such puns since I was at the
“hoof-ver dam”.
Also Uncle Horse was beginning to *MORB!!!*
Lots of good jokes, character stuff, and setup.
Edit: the sister will be one of silence, battle, divinity, or something new.
I think the sister be Saint Celestine basically.
Could potentially be HtP version of Shadowsun.
But a Sister of Battle or Silence is probably more likely.
Gotta admit Karl has a surprisingly good singing voice
Yeah, he uploads his music on his channel, he's a good performer
imagine ''horse'' transforming into ''the jersey devil'' later on in the hunter the parenting story.
Pretty sure Karl's continuing story is referencing Grandmother, the Infinite Maw that is believed will one day consume the universe
If D had a bunch of kids with a bunch of parents, I wonder if Door is someone that came from Alaska or some other part of the cold? Rogal Dorn in WH40k was noted from originating from pretty much an Ice Planet in which he not only survived but helped create an empire that was second only to the Toilet Seats (although after Dorn is found this is never really brought up again other than his Flagship).
If Door (his equivalent) is of the states(?) then could he have been from Alaska as part of his WoD Lore?
Alaska isn't the only cold state, but it is the best known for that.
Door believes eastern standard is the only correct time. It's likely he's from the northeast.
What kitten encountered was probably a fae of some kind. He died to iron fence kindred wouldn't die from that and he faded away, his body didn't age
Nagaraja ffs.
@@Dozornui Doesnt explain why he faded instead of aging like a vampire corpse *should*
@@Dozornui A Fae is more likely, not everything has to be vampires my dude, WoD is more than just Vampires.
@@malcomalexander9437 WoD also has all the Frankenstein and Golem types Of souless living constructs.
Changeling bodies don't fade away. The entire point of their lore is that they are human bodies. He was a Nagarajah that probably didn't die, and instead just used a Discipline to hide.
Okay at first I thought that Horse was either half-selkie(via means we do not want to know) or a regular horse stolen from somewhere, now I'm thinking something more eldritch.
Is called: a demon.
A hunter’s sanity goes with time and exposure to the supernatural (not to excuse Big D, just explain him a little bit.) Also, there is an organovore flaw that affects some vampires even outside the clan mentioned, so it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s that clan. Lastly, would advise you look a bit more into the Werewolf the Apocalypse lore, in
particular Banes and Wyrm Spirits. One of those likely fits what has possessed Horse.
I'd wager that Horse is actually some kind of obscure equine Shifter, because it would be significantly less kind if it was possessed by a Bane spirit. Although I wouldn't rule out Horse being possessed by the ghost of one D's sons, i.e. Horus. Boy also uses the term 'combat horse', which may be a reference to some unseen War Form. And Horse calls attention to a bit of Garou terminology, so he probably has ties to them. And if D's ramblings are correct... Horse might actually be a part of D. We're not certain what D actually is, and if they're trying to tie this back into 40k, D and some of his family, namely his sons, might be shards of Big E. We really need more data...
@@Brutalyte616 perhaps he's a angel or maybe a demon who fought against his new nature for long that he became what we see him as
@@theenderdestruction2362 Doubtful. He's a Hunter, so by default he has to be 100% human
@@Brutalyte616 Do we know he's an Imbued, though?
@@TheAngryXenite Considering the namesake is Hunter The Reckoning and not Hunter The Vigil, how D says he is 'built different', and the peculiarity of his eyes? I'd wager yes, but there's been no confirmation. Hell, D might not know what an Imbued is despite being one.
I am 99% sure Horse is some kind of a Fae. The story Kitten heard from Big D about him "being born out of D's head like Athena" would make a lot of sense if Horse was a Faerie...
I dunno
Sounds more like a demon to me
@@BadassHater1 you would be sorely mistaken if you think the fae in World of Darkness setting are like Tinker Bell from Disney's Peter Pan
@@CRSB00 You know. If THAT'S what faeries are in WoD......i wonder how much fun Peter Pan would've been in that same universe
@@BadassHater1 not much, the fae have a lot in common with the dark eldar from 40K
@@CRSB00 And have read the lore of the fallen(demons)? because he sure seems like one.
I'm guessing the sister is either Sister Gains from the black library or the bride of the emperor that blasted Goge van dire in the face.
I think the intro song that D was singing was Freak on a Leash by korn
Also wormwood(the ingredient in absinthe said to be hallucinogenic) is actually not hallucinogenic
My first thought when kitten said his first vampire encounter was eating someone's organs was that the vampire was an organvore. In the system, it's a 2 dot flaw that limits your feeding from only being able to slake hunger through the consumption of organs rather than drinking someone. Lore wise it's surprisingly more common than one might think, also the preferred organvore feeding method is to blend the organs into a smoothie. My first vampire character was an organvore, I honestly love the flaw to the point I consider it a merit instead lol.
My guess would be Malkavian because dude sounds crazy either that or Giovanni or Nagaraja from the extremely weird feeding preferences Giovanni's can have cannibals in their ranks and they're like second place in who the wealthiest vamps are contest
Nagarajah.
I'd lean more towards Malkavian due to the insane and nonsensical rambling. After all, eating the flesh is something that can affect clans beyond the Giovanni's and Nagaraja's, and it wouldn't be surprising if the insanity of a Malkavian also compelled to eat specific organs or something.
Horus:
-I NO HAPPY =_=
Others have guessed this, but Horse may be this universe's version of Horus.
I don't think he fits with Horus.
Nah, you think?
well, the red demonic eyes makes sences
46:00- No, well, not exactly. The third generation supposedly KILLED the second and made Caine mad, but the fourth generation supposedly killed the third, and anybody who's anybody knows that didn't happen.
Horse Heresy, lets go. start an alternate ruleset and like 40 novels
Thin-bloods don't have clans, or clan weaknesses, so he probably wasn't that. Kitten is probably a Bastet, and that's how he managed to fight him off.
It's more likely that Kitten is a Bastet KINFOLK rather than some variety of werecat.
@@discountplaguedoctor88 no
That went from 0 to a100 waaaay to quickly XD
And wait, Horse thinks Big D's sons as his bros?
5 bucks he is in fact one of the more supernatural creatures from WoD, probably some form of fey born of the mind of Big D.
@@thejestor9378
Big-D probrably knows what he is, since he keeps saying horse is smart and has a big brain.
Looks like it. Kinda sweet actually
@@thejestor9378 Demon.
Probably a spirit pact of some kind. Feeding it material possessions and stories. Prob a demon or a spirit.
This is the prophecy of Kane and Lilith
Plot twist if Lilith is one of Big-D ex , the first one.
@@rumigraciea8216 So you wanna say Big D Is Adam or Adam's reincarnation?
@@rumigraciea8216 bigger plot twist they're both big Ds exes
@@cidkronic *CEASE*
I just only now got the "receiding hairline" joke
45:30 oh man....
I had a shot of what was supposedly absinthe at a sci-fi convention once. I threw up maybe fifteen minutes later, after which I felt better than I had all day.
From my understanding he built The Golden Throne from Magnus Magnus was going to be strapped into that thing and become its battery
Yes, but only for like a week or a year, or some other amount of time that is short for immortals.
I think the sister of Kitten might be the woman I can't remember her name the deadpan one that lives in the black Libary with the Clown God.
In this canon She might just be marry to a clown or comedian
Horse will betray Bid E and when Marcus finds out he's try to warn his father but endup destroying his father sewer Way project in going so.
I hope the gene stealer drunk inquisitor is Kittens sister in this lol
Horse’s eyes are the Eye of Horus.
Also about the Karl bit:
In Wrath/Orpheus there is a force known as Oblivion led by a figure known as the the Grand Maw. It sometimes is misheard as the grandma or grandmother.
I wish they would have had ended if the emperor had a text-to-speech device cuz I really want to see what magnus's reaction would have been at the death of the captain-general
To be fair, the last episode was pretty poetic about the ending of the series as a whole. Just seemed appropriate.
Probably a Redcap Changeling not a Vampire in Kittens story.
No, Changelings don't fade away. Vampires however DO when they activate a hiding Discipline.
soon...the Horse Heresy will begin
Something weird is going on with this, I can find it if I search youtube for HTP reactions but not when I go to your channel? Very odd.
The link to the original is wrong. It lead to the police interrogation .
Only Kevin was missing from this one.
He's a horse(man) of the apocalypse!
Heads up, the link to the video in your description is for the Big D-Chapman audiolog, not the Horse log.
54:30 what movie?
So is no one gonna tell him he linked the wrong video or is that just me
The Abbot will know.
REMEBER KIDS, IT'S NOT A WAR CRIME THE FIRST TIME 😀
The Horse Heresy
41:04 how's so? Isnt getting mad about shit a Bruja 's thing?
absinthe is only legal if it's thujone-free
Wait... is Big D... some manner of _Kinfolk?_
Most likely not.
Boars are a huge problem but damn they taste so good.
Horse is Sanguinus.
🤦♂️
:)