We Bought 12 Graphics Cards for $399….Bad Idea??
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With crypto at all time highs, the profitability is at an all time low! With this in mind we are seeing a lot of companies dumping dirt cheap crypto related items on the market. We see a great example here with a 12 graphics card mining rig for only $400!?
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almost thought I clicked on the wrong video till i realized 💀
Same tbh 😂
Thought this was a Linus video till he mentioned crypto
what did you realize
same I though I watch some minecraft video😂
Yea I thought this was my angry grandpas old vhs tapes until they said bro
That intro just killed me 😂
Rest in piece 0000-2040
@@Karton123 😭😭🙏🙏
Picked up a mining RX470 8gb card a few years back for dirt cheap, comparatively to full fat 570s/470s at the time. It only had one display output but worked just fine for gaming. It's in my daughters PC right now in fact, still more than good enough for the games she likes to play.
those rx470 570-580 are really great, and stupidly cheap, I bought like 8 of them to stockpile, one die another will replace its place...
you should reflash the bios on it, usually mining bios is slightly down clocked vs a normal 470, i actually had a couple that only had a dvi output and i reflashed them and they worked great
@@Kepler_2258 gpu clocked lower with ram clocked higher usually
@@amdintelxsniperx yea
Toasty bros just became the crypto bros….
With RX 470s? Bro, they're not profitable even with close to free electricity 😂
@@hunterfabio they did clarify that near the end of the video you know.... 😆👍
Thank you so much for the shoutout, I honestly have NO IDEA why you were having these issues, and if we were being honest I was stumped myself. Mining is a process thats for sure, but there has never been an easier, or cheaper time to get into it...one gpu on your pc mining at night when you are not using it to say nicehash is a way to make small amounts of passive income!
As far as making those rx 470s game, I did a video on it, and it took me WAYYYYYYY to much time to get them gaming. I think I spent 6-7ish hours getting one to work on windows lol!
So you can “mine” on your pc overnight and make a tangible passable income? Does it ruin your card or anything?
@@HOBOTw1tcH yeah, it really kills the gpu
And also, usually mining requires a lot of gpu power, it isn't what a normal gaming pc can do.
@@HOBOTw1tcH nope not at all, mining is super safe
@@Otech_ it doesn't at all, mining is actually better for the long term health of a GPU then gaming
As someone who's been mining crypto for almost 4 years. I had a good laugh at this. The struggle to get HiveOS to work for the very first time was real. 😂
I found HiveOS to be a lot easier than nicehash miner in the windows environment.
@@joshuawebb1525 true, especially trying to figure out the MSR mod not applied when running xmrig through nicehash. Oof
i can feel that temptation to install windows. luckily i do have experience with linux , vm's remote shells... and still mining brings a lot to learn.
Crypto mining is crazy. I would not have the patience to mess with all that.
Miners love computer equipment. They baby the cards and treat them well, maybe better than many gamers do. It eats into profits when needing to buy more gpus.
Yep, usually they do undervolting and run the cards very cool, something most gamers dont if anything they overclock them and run hotter. Sometimes though I have seen mining cards with rust and those you should stay away from as that means they probably weren't in a very good enviroment
@@Dictatortot-n3d Was just about to say this. Any even slightly sensible miner will undervolt as much as possible, it reduces energy cost and allows them to power more GPUs with the same system. Gaming workloads have a lot of fluctuating usage and gamers like overclocking (I'm guilty of that)
@@Dictatortot-n3d If used in a air controlled environment their probably in better shape than a card that lived in badly cooled pc that gets the odd knock, breathed tobacco smoke was covered in dust its entire life.. on the other hand you could get a gaming card thats just never been used. point is, used cards are a risk either way.
If you take in considration you won't need to turn on your heater. You may be turning a profit. LMAO
This :) the cost of elcectricity kills any profit, but if you take into account heating costs, 1 x 3090 keeps my room warm all year round. :)
6:42 sounds like my ps4 when i tried playing call of duty
I will mine whenever it's cold outside, even if it's not 'profitable' because it's cheaper than running the heater. I have 4 mining rigs w/ 8 6600XTs each in custom wood enclosures that I treat like space heaters. They pull about 1200W and work quite well at keeping my house warm. They mine enough to make a noticeable difference in my electrical costs in the winter too.
What are those white chunks flying out of it? Plastic? Dust balls? Lol.
those were little bits of ethereum. collect enough of them and you can turn them into things like bitcoins!
@@ThrasherEscapes kek
bugs ?
For that price, this could be interesting as a rig for rendering in Blender. At least until the power bill comes.
nooo, modern cards would whip the snot out of this when rendering.
Granted, it is only $400, but I would imagine it cost a fair chunnk to ship it to a customer.
@@overyonderjustapiece Fair point. Maybe if it was sold locally and one could go pick it up.
Turn it into a heater for your house during winters, I've always wanted to do something like this even if its unprofitable. If you break down where the energy goes in a computer, well its pretty much 100% heat. Now you have a 2000W Heater that costs less money to run than any electric heater. Maybe at the cost of noise depending on the installation :P
mining is prettymuch dead, but thats not the only thing you can do with that many gpus, you can use some gpus for ai acceleration, but those RX470's would prob be very good at rendering tasks
Bingo, rent it out as AI accelerator power, I do the same with my 4090 so it doesn't feel bored all the time.
If you have a IGPU or APU or even a lower profile card. Then u can tell windows to use it as a passthrough as a display for the main card.
As a linux user but a total noob at crypto, I don't understand why it was this complicated for you guys 😀
somtimes, things just dont wanna play ball. ive had that memory issue, i just switched to another coin, network cards and hard drives not wanting to show up.. some system just wanna fight the whole way.
Can you run a hashcat benchmark ON it ???
I am simply not smart enough to set up things like mining rigs lol
its a lot to take in, but... that stuff is so helpful to know, linux is a really cool operating system, you can literally install exactly what you need, nothing else, and get good performance from basic hardware. pretty much anything not running windows is linux. ios,Iphone, android, google chrome..... its all good stuff to know about, hive is minimal linux os, not even a desktop, every bit of cpu and ram is dedicated to one task. you pretty much install the os, and change a txt file to set up where the mined funds go. ( if you know, you know )
@@fpvrc9829 Is mining still something that's worth learning?
I still have no idea what crypto mining is, and how a purely digital currency has any sort of value......
just as cash is fake printed paper by governments, crypto is solved equations from computers and those answers are the currency. all currencies value comes from demand, just as if noone uses USD anymore usd would have no value, same thing applies. simple way to think about it
It has value in the same way that physical currency has value. Solely because of the fact we choose to give it a value and can trade said currency for other items that we chose to give the same value.
There are slightly over 2000 digital currencies which I find crazy. Lots of hype.
@@iamsil3nt But I very very rarely ever see a market place that I actually use, that accepts crypto currency.
@@hinsie4268 paypal has the option to convert your balance to crypto currency, but there is no way for that to actually gain in value like a savings account.
oh brother please reach out if you ever need any help in the future
HiveOS is named by the rash you get from the stress of getting it to do anything right.
Setting it up off vanilla Ubuntu (and maybe a 3rd party repo or two) always works much better but does also have plenty of potholes and gotcha's. The same types of things you end up trying to fix in HiveOS but with a more restrictive setup.
I mean it might not be profitable, but maybe it could certainly be useful as a "heater with cashback" in winter :D
Windows and other operating system can not delete the 7 partitions created by Hive OS
and prepare the disk again for installing the operating system
Even if you want to reinstall Hive OS
You must delete all partitions with the "Partition Master " software, that is, the option to delete all partitions in the "Partition Master" software.
you looked like untoasty bros when them fans first started up HAHA
I'm very glad you're trying out something new! I struggle as well with Linux and Crypto in general so I'm glad there's more noobs like me out there.
You need to increase swapfile size to get rid of that DAG error. (pagefile)
thank you.... next time :)
The HP (now HPE) power supplies come from a line called Flex Slot Power Supplies. They came in many Wattage sizes, I happen to have 4 of those 1200s on a shelf in my office. Can pick them up cheap on eBay as that Flex Slot design hasn't been used by HPE in like the last 4 generations of servers.
Also, that is NOT a 2U case. Full Height GPUs don't fit vertically in 2U, it's at least 4U maybe 5U. 1U is 1.75" so just measure the height and divide by 1.75.
as a former hobby miner this was quite painful to watch 💀
I wonder if that rig could be repurposed as an AI/deep learning oriented rig tho... a little low on ram it seems and quite power hungry, but for $400 it'd be a steal!
i'm doing AI computing right now. I'm doing Salad AI computation right now using my rig.
That is sad, it still have a lot of "compute" power... I think there could be workarounds (not cheap though, but maybe some DIY could make it cheap)... Watercooling and that heated water could have another use (floor heating, pool heating etc)... With a good job the sound would be almost gone, and all the waste heat (which is why this is not as effective anymore) will go into a usable state again... and it would be effective again... i.e your pool heater does also functions as a crypto miner. Well maybe not in southern USA, but in some parts of the world it could still make money...
After that I would run it from solar I think, and just end it with some folding@home stuff (give the compute power away for it's last year of life)... or maybe a public render farm (for cheapskates like me) that wants to some lowres 3D animations...
That single R480 (well it's an 8GB) is more then 6 times as fast and with 8 times more memory then my current (but just ordered a GPU though) setup...
You could still monetize them creatively wherever electricity must be consumed such as resistance-banks for solar when all the batteries are full and there is otherwise low demand you have to burn the power off (vent it) somewhere. Some power farms already do this and recoup some crypto for power that would have just turned to heat with huge resistor load banks. Then profitability is based on $0.00 per KWh energy. Or subsidized power contract. Or colo/rack situation with "20A 24/7" included and no metering (and no anti-mining ToS). Or hook them up all weekend at random AirBnB's?
If them are the 8gb mining 470s. Theres a hidden HDMI port on them but u need to soldar either 6 or 8 wires to get it to display they are beast of cards once you do it tho n u can get em for like 21 bucks a piece if your willing to do the work to get the HDMI port to work.
Just imagine how playing a video game on that rig would look with all them cards
All the hassle is kinda not worth it. If you're unlucky those cards are selling for 25 bucks here. If you're really lucky you might get 50.
Its a gamble and especially considering that you need a workaround for these to get them to game, selling 12 of them could be a chore
If it can't create a DAG, the cards don't have enough VRAM... it's getting bigger and bigger every day.
You can actually mine straight through the command prompt. But running a script it's a lot better and more control.
you could use these for video rendering, like get a gpu with video out and then use the horsepower of the others to do some cool stuff like FluidX3D
Problem is usually mining rigs works on pcie x1. So you loose a lot of bandwidth.
@@Wilky971 yeah i figured so
Just bought a computer with a i7 11700 and a 1660ti for $240
could you image how bad ass my gaming experice would be if i had that many grahpics cards in one unit
That was an amazing intro😂 I really thought I clicked the wrong video
Guys don't use the 470, use the p106 mining card instead. Chinese gamers get them for under 20 bucks and they work.
If I was there, I would automatically buy a PC from ToastyBros
If they are 12x RX 470 Mining Edition you can just plug it to a PC with integrated graphics, flash the correct BIOS which matches the type of memory (samsung, micron, hynix) I normally see those running 2000mhz in the VRAM so its better to get a BIOS that has 1750mhz to make it live longer and there you go, a normal RX 470 but with only a DVI port or not even that
Buy prebuilts throw in a gpu and flip it for 250usd.. keep repeating until u sell all the gpus and u have massive profits + a mining server
All of the GPUs have had the shroud and fans removed to expose just the heat sinks to the airflow. Pretty much makes them unsellable.
@joshuawebb1525 not really cheap dual 120mm fans with some zipties would solve the problem
Not the most visually appealing option, but very true. And it will cool better than the oem fans.
@joshuawebb1525 yea and its a 250$ system no one will care
Any pc with zip ties will earn cool points on the marketplace. 😂
The ultra version has both vga and hdmi for the $375 on ebay
I much prefer Rufus to Balena Etcher. Rufus is a small portable application that can run no install. Balena is what 150MB and needs installed? Not sure why it's so bloated.
I get myself a year ago for similar price 12 Sapphire GPRO X080 - if you send video signal via iGPU on CPU you have RX 6700 10GB decent gaming gpu
Would love to see you all do a CPU mining rig, and maybe a Salad AI rig and discuss that as a fun project?
Those HP power supplies are from April 06, 2009.
I would turn this thing into a lan center with moonlight+sunshine streaming lmao
Think about pointing those card to folding@home if you don't care about crypto. They can always use the help.
0:48
$900 for a 3050 build is crazy
2:45 no preparation whatsoever and asks us not to come at them
You guys are low key picking up where LMG left off kudos let's hope you actually stay loyal till the soil
I am mining with 24 RX 580s, I can confirm the heat is real. I’m roughly pulling 3500 watts at the wall.
Windows makes everything so difficult. On linux its a simple dd command to install drives. Come standard on every distro
16 lane pcie cpu each card running at 1x for mining don't need Pcie bandwidth, but u do need enough pcie lanes to run in at least 1x can't put 24 cards on that cpu for instance...
This would be great for companies that sell compute power
roughly $1.50 a day (USD), not counting eletrical cost. While that's not really good, it'll be ok for somebody just starting.
This was me the other week...
So you think you had issues? I did a big name and found they were taking a big bit of the pie, so skipped out. Now hunting for what to and where to mine is essential. Ive solar, and in the uk we pay £0.26 per kWh.. about $0.30...
So if you cant make the math work then no point in trying.
Any way we frt paid £0.04 feeding excess solar to the grid, so just needs to make more.. and i did ;)
Its was not easy, and there had been a down turn and rather state Market so its not thwt good. But as its costing nothing and a bit of fun, but i still dont know how half of it works...
I mined also on a bulldoser!! Old tech. Can in better that a 16 core server thats a lot newer. My old r7 makes around £0.50 for the day (solar) so passove income. But i would buy the hardware as well it costs as much as you make.😅
I would be curious to see if I could get Folding@Home to run on this and run protein folding simulations across all 12 GPUs, that would be kind of a fun project. Folding@Home is definitely not about profitability, but is a nice way to give back. Still makes sense to try to make it more power-efficient. But again, could be a fun project.
You should see how well these GPUs work in a Jellyfin server for transcode or a video editing server.
Respect the hustle guys. I wish I could support you guys! (from South Africa lol).
But will it run ollama?
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Are there any components that can be swapped out. Change the cpu to a higher end cpu. Make a new video with upgrading the machine.
that brick cant even pay it own eletric bill, dont buy that thinking u will ever profit, unless u have free electrecity, you can get around the same hashrate with a single 6800XT and 1/6 of power consumption!
Shoutout to you guys for going out of your comfort zone and giving us a peek in to crypto mining!
GPU mining basically stopped working as soon as I bought my 3060ti for way too much a couple of years ago. I also think I have been using it for gaming on a motherboard that couldn't even support it's full speed.
i mined eth for a few months with my 3090, was making around £40 a month before the update...
@@fpvrc9829 I think I was making almost $3 a day with a 3060ti, a 2060mobile, and an rx580. Those were some wasteful days 3 years ago.
install a normal linux distro or windows and find out what other can do? Like Rendering videos or other gpu related task.
Hi toasty bros! Do you guys happen to deliver to other countries in Asia.
Jesus christ 50-70 bucks for a 4070.
I really should move to a different country.
You'd be hard pressed to find a working 1050 for 70-80 bucks.
RX 470, not RTX 4070
@@benjaminsmekens2344 oh, that makes more sense
Those mining only RX 470's are practically trash now a days so they are just selling their scrap they wanna get rid of along with that mining case.
It would be interesting to math out a solar system that could keep it running 24/7. I would guess about $10,000 in the southern USA would be about right. Anyone know how much that miner would bring in revenues?
One should have fixed electricity attached to rent (or somehow low priced contract) as now it's simplier just save money than trying to mine some.
Few questions. Were you running out of RAM? I went with the 'x79' 5 slot mobo and it takes a $20-30 32GB DDR3 LRDIMM. Secondly, did you try any undervolting tricks to get the GPUs to a more efficient power/performance level? Maybe less hash, but way less power? Crazy vid 😂. Too bad about the weak CPU, could have tried Proxmox and run a whole LAN party off Chromebooks with SteamLink 😅
We need to see a benchmark for the 12 gpus in MINECRAFT💀
Do the GPUs have to be the same or can I replace one with a more profitable card (like a 1070) and leave the rest of the RX 470s in there?
Me with a closet of 7200 RPM fans on 2 & 1U racks 😢
I saw that no matter what cards you use, its not profitable to mine unless u keep the coins till a rise in the currency.
ot trying to be mean love Tech stuff but some pcs u sell are way to expensive for what they are worth. a 80 dollar cpu with a 220dollar gpu for 875 is kinda a ripp off
crypto and crypto mining...the illusion of productivity and value...
Thank you very much! Just purchased one!
I love your Star Wars room. Matt. Solid choice.
If memory serves ......the dag files needed space in virtual memory in windows so maybe hive os needs a similar setup . eg 12x4gb = 48gb virtual memory ....... never used hive though
dude, a 470/480 should be running at like 24-30 MH per second, with a power draw of 95-115 watts per card. On etc. what were you two getting?
Why did I think this was Linus XD
This is some crazy Linus ahh shenanigans tho
This rig might work if we swapped those gpu into a nvme carrier card , a cheapo ssd nas maybe ?
Limited pcie lanes but for that price cant complain too much
Dag size is memory size on the gpu, you cant mine with those cards anymore on Etc
use it as a render node for blender. that's where my mind goes.
it will cost me more than it could make.never mind cost of running it vs what it will make.
A person can grow dope with 300 watts now day's. I'm just saying money can be grown as well as mined.
2:07 That's a 4u case not a 2u...
Flipping Minecraft accounts is a real thing
12 GPUs for 399? You get 12 gt 210's good luck.
love the wildcats shirt ole son!
gpu mining is no longer even worth it . if you want to get into it . grab a proper ASIC
Just simple question where is the real money go in crypto ? 🤥 instead paying electric bill.
You needed 8 GB of VRAM and system RAM to load the DAG for Ethereum back when it was still mineable, no?