Thanks for watching the video, I know I am very positive about these speakers, but they really made a mark on me so if I am overly enthusiastic that is why
@@goodsound4756 yeah that is what I would normally do but I couldn’t in this instance, I don’t think it would change my opinion. I have changed to some other speakers and that has made me realise how I was feeling about these was bang on. Hard to listen these new ones after them
Hi Terry! Great review. Being an old time audiophile I actually owned a couple of pair of Ohm F speakers at different times in the mid to late 1970s. Great to see the Walsh driver upgraded to modern material and design tech. We really liked the omni sound the Fs produced. For a while we put them on either side of a couch and sat between them for a headphone effect. Keep up the good work! Dallas
Heard them at an audio show in Sweden it was audio concepts show room. That room was extremely impressive, unfortunately they're too expensive for me but there are for example duevel speakers that are similar and starts way lower in price.
I've been in awe of German Physiks speakers since you featured them in a hifi expo vid. The technical design and engineering gone into these must be immense. Who wouldn't want a Helmholtz resonator in their living room!
Excellent review! Love the enthusiasm. The biggest drawback for me with these speakers, besides the expense, is the appearance. They may disappear sonically but definitely not visually!
I have a similar German Physiks Carbon MK IV for more than 20 years. I was not able to change speakers despite every other component being changed. After some 20 years, one of the DDD driver failed, and it was replaced and giving glorious sound again. I went round auditioning many high end speakers after the DDD driver failed, but ended up having it replaced and still owning it. Great service from Robert Kelly, their agent in USA too, even though I am from Singapore!
Yo Terry, we love your reviews and that infectious smile we see in everyone of your videos. Please please please, keep up the amazing work your doing as your obviously very passionate about what it is your doing. We love you bro. Ps would love to see a review on Playbacks MPD8 dac🤟
I really like the German Physiks speaker products and with them I ended up searching for better speaker equipment. Thanks to Holger Müller and team making these unique speakers! Really wondering why they are not more popular. Great emotional video about this technical artwork.
I purchased Ohms for my fronts and decided I prefer a direct sound from the CC. Purchased SVS top entry and am VERY pleased by the change. THe Ohms do have toe -in concerns since they use a tweeter that is NOT omni.
Thanks for the review, great video!!! I mean thanks for the entertainment, as I would never be able to buy such speakers 😂! (Maybe if BTC reaches 1M 😂 ). I've never got a chance to listen to these, but I've listened to other Omni designs. Duevel were great! But MBL were amazing, easily top 5 best speakers I've listened to ever! Best part is there's no sweet spot to sit and listen to music, sound is nicely dispersed over the entire room! Thanks again for taking us in this journey with you!
Superb video. They would perform even better in a bigger room, that is, more away from (reflective) walls. These make me remember the great Ohm Walsh F speakers.
Yep unfortunately my room size is always a limiting factor, but the fact its dedicated and acoustically treated out of the wazoo its better in some ways than larger rooms without that
19:10 This has to be primarily because of the full range driver (i.e. no crossover). Also the carbon fibre helps in giving more rigidity (perhaps? this is the first speaker I hear of featuring a carbon fibre cone driver so I'm not sure what the intention of using this material is here exactly) so maybe it is not working as a bending wave transducer after all (although I find that really hard to believe - I mean 24kHz in piston mode? I'll need some proof of that using laser scans and the like). (I mean no crossover between midrange and tweeter since this is not needed here. Obviously they have a crossover between the full range and the woofer).
5:21 Sealed as well? Now I'm impressed. I think one can count the number of well-reputed sealed speakers produced today using just one hand - bookshelves included.
11:05 I can believe that. There simply cannot be a full range driver that behaves like a piston on these high frequencies. Additionally, the energy from a dome tweeter is much more focused in a narrow beam whereas omnis just have to radiate 360 degrees so I'd imagine their job is even harder when going up in frequency.
Hi Terry! Very nice video! How does the German Physiks HRS130 Speakers sound compared to the German Physiks Borderland MK IV Speakers? Do you believe that its well worth the extra cost to go with the Borderland MK IV Speakers? What percent better is the Borderland MK IV over the HRS130 Speakers?
Hello Terry, another "Terry"fic review.....I saw and heard the analysis and sound test with the Audio Analogue Maestro and Unlimited from German Physics. What I heard there it was shocking. How better is this model? Thanks for your work and passion master¡
Great going again, based on your review I went ahead with the atc scm11 and enjoying them to the most. It was nice you shared speakers responses earlier, any reason now that you dont?
Very nice review Terry, you manage to give us a good idea of the sound. And please forgive me if I've asked this before, but why did you stop doing the sound clips? Particularly for a speaker like this one, with such relatively little online coverage, it would be really nice just to hear even some brief clips... Cheers🍻
Great speakers no doubt, but I dont see any merrit from creating interference from the reflected mid hi bouncing off the rear walls .it just creates the same problem that bass has being omni directional.
Very fun video to see! I am wondering what your thoughts are on acoustic treatment of the room with omnidirectional speakers? I got MBLs and my next project is to "treat the room" a bit. Sound is very good, but I think it can be better :)
I've never listened to German Phyiks omnis although I do remember back in the day when they first came out seeing them in a hifi show. I also do remember listening to the Duevel omnis in that show and thinking it was the only speaker that grabbed my attention (and it did again in subsequent shows) although this doesn't say much in the cramped and noisy show conditions - or maybe it does because of that? The Duevels of course were quite different designs being three-way speakers and also featuring a short horn for both the midrange and the tweeter (although, in the case of the midrange, I'm not sure it would count as a horn so much as a wave guide/sound director). Nevertheless, the basic principle of operation is the same in both speakers and that is what I expect defines the sound in a very large extent (ok execution matters greatly too and the Duevels were in a different price category).
about the expansion of sound regarding the high´s the top shape is there in a small conical shape to expand the sound in any direction, like some brands that had speakers that you could change the tweeter or tweeters in diferent directions on top to make them expand in the direction one wanted having a top grill to protect them, and mids are always included in the woofer in two ways speakers, and price wise they have more simple models that are cheaper than more complex systems in the same series of speakers from a brand, recentelly i have seen none as my knowledge about this type of speakers is till the end of the 80´s, don´t know if i could help but i think you were refering to this, and horns that i know of are always for high´s but i might be wrong as most of my speakers are from the 70´s and in other decades till today i bought only a pair or two for decade, the older speakers when restored not improved they do become better, i´ve seen a lot of components improved but in reality the quality was destroid they no longer sound as we expected to, some think that this electronic part was better than the old one but in reality the only change was in reducing costs, and advertised as an improvement to old electronic parts, it´s not a rule but what is being done most of the times, and most of the younger tecnics or curious don´t even have a clue how a old speaker sound, as they think modern is better but it never was, for some reason studio monitors that are in use to day most of them were released in early 80´s and 70´s and really upgraded as it is possible as the evolution made it poosble, not just by thinking newer is better
I never knew German Physiks mad omnidirectional speakers. 0:54 Where are the tweeters? 1:10 I have - but I assumed they were Duevels. Did you ever get a chance to compare them to the Duevels? 2:33 What? There's no tweeter? Now I'm shocked!
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Yes, I got that a minute later. I cannot help getting too excited sometimes and then posting a comment can become an uncontrolled reflex!
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This great entertainment.. thanks.. Any chance of you reviewing a large 3 way classic with a 15" woofer.. I like the big sound and their normally very efficient..
Heard these about 10 years ago. They need a large room and aren't anything like a conventional speaker. The bass can be difficult to control if the room is lively.
I would beg to differ with your opinion. I have worked for German Physiks now for over 16 years and in this time I have done a lot of demonstrations, quite a few in comparatively small rooms. Provided the appropriate model is chosen, they can work quite well in such spaces. Regarding lively rooms, the bass from any loudspeaker can be a problem in a lively room. Bear in mind that the bass from all loudspeakers is omnidirectional due to the long wavelengths of the signal compared to the dimensions of the driver. Very large bass horns may be an exception here, but was they won't fit into the average room we can ignore them. Robert Kelly German Physiks
The distance you place the Borderland from the back wall will depend on the particular room, but I would not normally put them must closer than around a metre. I have seen them placed closer and sound OK. Regarding your question about vocalists, if they a in the centre in the mix, that is where the Borderlands, or any other German Physiks loudspeaker, will place them. Robert Kelly German Physiks
Hi Terry - i have never heard these speakers but there is a cult following particularly in the UK (pinkfish)for Shahinian speakers , i have had Arcs, Obs2 and compass in my system would love you to audition and feedback , they are superb (enjoying the channel )👌👌😀😀
I loved my Duevel Sirius which also German made omnidirectional speakers, the drivers are not pointed to listeners and they are two way with a horn and 12" woofer... Cheers
you got a super tweet haven't you? you should have tried it I think it needs it by your comments, probably you could set it to probably number one on the speakers and I'm thinking maybe the super tweeter might be good not on the top but at the back of the cone attach it with some blue tech looks like enough room ribbon tweeter is ideal I think that's what you got. did you use EQ with them normally you do don't you?
No I dont have one, I was thinking of reaching out to a couple of companies to use one with the Mission 770 but never got that far. These dont need them and it could make it worse, no idea but it could be something to explore for a but of fun and discovery
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I doubt it will make it worse no reason why it should if it's fully adjustable. I don't know why I thought you had one must be somebody else I'm thinking of. get the plasma or ribbon one that's the better option. one thing I wanted to know is it a single 12-in bass driver or dual driver?
Lol, I just wanted to comment that Terry won't like that sound from what I learned about his tastes, and there he wrote it by himself. I didn't like the Kii speaker either. Dry and not musical for my taste as well.
Thanks for watching the video, I know I am very positive about these speakers, but they really made a mark on me so if I am overly enthusiastic that is why
This is what the pursuit is about! Hope these speakers become yours one day.
So it should be, I want your true opinion about the tested product !
Enthusiasm isn't a crime Tel. Glad you liked them.
Is the insight that recording a review should be done past the initial euphoric phase?
@@goodsound4756 yeah that is what I would normally do but I couldn’t in this instance, I don’t think it would change my opinion. I have changed to some other speakers and that has made me realise how I was feeling about these was bang on. Hard to listen these new ones after them
Hi Terry! Great review. Being an old time audiophile I actually owned a couple of pair of Ohm F speakers at different times in the mid to late 1970s. Great to see the Walsh driver upgraded to modern material and design tech. We really liked the omni sound the Fs produced. For a while we put them on either side of a couch and sat between them for a headphone effect. Keep up the good work! Dallas
Thanks very much Dallas, thanks for watching the video I hope you are well
Heard them at an audio show in Sweden it was audio concepts show room. That room was extremely impressive, unfortunately they're too expensive for me but there are for example duevel speakers that are similar and starts way lower in price.
I've been in awe of German Physiks speakers since you featured them in a hifi expo vid. The technical design and engineering gone into these must be immense. Who wouldn't want a Helmholtz resonator in their living room!
Excellent review! Love the enthusiasm. The biggest drawback for me with these speakers, besides the expense, is the appearance. They may disappear sonically but definitely not visually!
No big speaker disappears visually, by definition.
I have a similar German Physiks Carbon MK IV for more than 20 years. I was not able to change speakers despite every other component being changed. After some 20 years, one of the DDD driver failed, and it was replaced and giving glorious sound again. I went round auditioning many high end speakers after the DDD driver failed, but ended up having it replaced and still owning it. Great service from Robert Kelly, their agent in USA too, even though I am from Singapore!
Thank you Sir.
That's some funky looking expensive speakers Terry, thank you for the review.
Yo Terry, we love your reviews and that infectious smile we see in everyone of your videos. Please please please, keep up the amazing work your doing as your obviously very passionate about what it is your doing. We love you bro.
Ps would love to see a review on Playbacks MPD8 dac🤟
gonna try the130 at my place next week, got more excited after this video
hey, and? how it was?
I really like the German Physiks speaker products and with them I ended up searching for better speaker equipment. Thanks to Holger Müller and team making these unique speakers! Really wondering why they are not more popular. Great emotional video about this technical artwork.
I purchased Ohms for my fronts and decided I prefer a direct sound from the CC. Purchased SVS top entry and am VERY pleased by the change. THe Ohms do have toe -in concerns since they use a tweeter that is NOT omni.
Thanks for the review, great video!!! I mean thanks for the entertainment, as I would never be able to buy such speakers 😂! (Maybe if BTC reaches 1M 😂 ). I've never got a chance to listen to these, but I've listened to other Omni designs. Duevel were great! But MBL were amazing, easily top 5 best speakers I've listened to ever! Best part is there's no sweet spot to sit and listen to music, sound is nicely dispersed over the entire room!
Thanks again for taking us in this journey with you!
Superb video. They would perform even better in a bigger room, that is, more away from (reflective) walls. These make me remember the great Ohm Walsh F speakers.
Yep unfortunately my room size is always a limiting factor, but the fact its dedicated and acoustically treated out of the wazoo its better in some ways than larger rooms without that
19:10 This has to be primarily because of the full range driver (i.e. no crossover). Also the carbon fibre helps in giving more rigidity (perhaps? this is the first speaker I hear of featuring a carbon fibre cone driver so I'm not sure what the intention of using this material is here exactly) so maybe it is not working as a bending wave transducer after all (although I find that really hard to believe - I mean 24kHz in piston mode? I'll need some proof of that using laser scans and the like).
(I mean no crossover between midrange and tweeter since this is not needed here. Obviously they have a crossover between the full range and the woofer).
I had some Mini Wharfdale desktop speakers based on this principle they were really great for their size with excellent staging
5:21 Sealed as well? Now I'm impressed. I think one can count the number of well-reputed sealed speakers produced today using just one hand - bookshelves included.
These would be the best point source speakers for capturing stereo/ambi/ Impulse responses in a room
I purchased Larson Pyramid omnidirectional speakers in 1973 they sounded very good indeed they had "SEAS" speakers in them.
Really nice review! for me and my room Larsen 4.3 is very interesting...review maybe? bok!
11:05 I can believe that. There simply cannot be a full range driver that behaves like a piston on these high frequencies. Additionally, the energy from a dome tweeter is much more focused in a narrow beam whereas omnis just have to radiate 360 degrees so I'd imagine their job is even harder when going up in frequency.
Hi Terry! Very nice video! How does the German Physiks HRS130 Speakers sound compared to the German Physiks Borderland MK IV Speakers? Do you believe that its well worth the extra cost to go with the Borderland MK IV Speakers? What percent better is the Borderland MK IV over the HRS130 Speakers?
Damn, those are gorgeous.
Hello Terry, another "Terry"fic review.....I saw and heard the analysis and sound test with the Audio Analogue Maestro and Unlimited from German Physics. What I heard there it was shocking. How better is this model? Thanks for your work and passion master¡
Thanks 👍
Great going again, based on your review I went ahead with the atc scm11 and enjoying them to the most. It was nice you shared speakers responses earlier, any reason now that you dont?
Fantastic video. Love the design of these amazing looking speakers.
I would be curious as to how the MBL speakers compare?
As omnidirectionals interact with the room more, it's always good to place them not too close to the walls, and the room condition is very important.
Very nice review Terry, you manage to give us a good idea of the sound. And please forgive me if I've asked this before, but why did you stop doing the sound clips? Particularly for a speaker like this one, with such relatively little online coverage, it would be really nice just to hear even some brief clips... Cheers🍻
🤗 NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING EXCITED AND ENTHUSIASTIC TERRY ‼️💚💚💚
Got a pair of Shahinian Diapasons…… love them !
Great speakers no doubt, but I dont see any merrit from creating interference from the reflected mid hi bouncing off the rear walls .it just creates the same problem that bass has being omni directional.
You have me wondering how these would pair with a McIntosh Tube Amp.
Very fun video to see! I am wondering what your thoughts are on acoustic treatment of the room with omnidirectional speakers? I got MBLs and my next project is to "treat the room" a bit. Sound is very good, but I think it can be better :)
The top looks a bit like the “Lost in Space” Jupiter 2.
I've never listened to German Phyiks omnis although I do remember back in the day when they first came out seeing them in a hifi show. I also do remember listening to the Duevel omnis in that show and thinking it was the only speaker that grabbed my attention (and it did again in subsequent shows) although this doesn't say much in the cramped and noisy show conditions - or maybe it does because of that? The Duevels of course were quite different designs being three-way speakers and also featuring a short horn for both the midrange and the tweeter (although, in the case of the midrange, I'm not sure it would count as a horn so much as a wave guide/sound director). Nevertheless, the basic principle of operation is the same in both speakers and that is what I expect defines the sound in a very large extent (ok execution matters greatly too and the Duevels were in a different price category).
about the expansion of sound regarding the high´s the top shape is there in a small conical shape to expand the sound in any direction, like some brands that had speakers that you could change the tweeter or tweeters in diferent directions on top to make them expand in the direction one wanted having a top grill to protect them, and mids are always included in the woofer in two ways speakers, and price wise they have more simple models that are cheaper than more complex systems in the same series of speakers from a brand, recentelly i have seen none as my knowledge about this type of speakers is till the end of the 80´s, don´t know if i could help but i think you were refering to this, and horns that i know of are always for high´s but i might be wrong as most of my speakers are from the 70´s and in other decades till today i bought only a pair or two for decade, the older speakers when restored not improved they do become better, i´ve seen a lot of components improved but in reality the quality was destroid they no longer sound as we expected to, some think that this electronic part was better than the old one but in reality the only change was in reducing costs, and advertised as an improvement to old electronic parts, it´s not a rule but what is being done most of the times, and most of the younger tecnics or curious don´t even have a clue how a old speaker sound, as they think modern is better but it never was, for some reason studio monitors that are in use to day most of them were released in early 80´s and 70´s and really upgraded as it is possible as the evolution made it poosble, not just by thinking newer is better
I'd love to hear more about diablo 333 and it's phono and dac modules if possible
In the pipeline, I only have the phono module in it though
I never knew German Physiks mad omnidirectional speakers.
0:54 Where are the tweeters?
1:10 I have - but I assumed they were Duevels. Did you ever get a chance to compare them to the Duevels?
2:33 What? There's no tweeter? Now I'm shocked!
Single driver design doesn’t need a tweeter
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Yes, I got that a minute later. I cannot help getting too excited sometimes and then posting a comment can become an uncontrolled reflex!
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love German physiks, but try MBL audio Loudspeakers,
This great entertainment.. thanks..
Any chance of you reviewing a large 3 way classic with a 15" woofer..
I like the big sound and their normally very efficient..
Check my review of the revival audio Atalante 5 last year
Nice video. What's the Sheffield labs song you mention?
Pretty.
Heard these about 10 years ago. They need a large room and aren't anything like a conventional speaker. The bass can be difficult to control if the room is lively.
I would beg to differ with your opinion. I have worked for German Physiks now for over 16 years and in this time I have done a lot of demonstrations, quite a few in comparatively small rooms. Provided the appropriate model is chosen, they can work quite well in such spaces.
Regarding lively rooms, the bass from any loudspeaker can be a problem in a lively room. Bear in mind that the bass from all loudspeakers is omnidirectional due to the long wavelengths of the signal compared to the dimensions of the driver. Very large bass horns may be an exception here, but was they won't fit into the average room we can ignore them.
Robert Kelly
German Physiks
How close can these speakers be place to the back of wall? For omni speakers, dobu still gee the ventre imaging of the vocalists ????
The distance you place the Borderland from the back wall will depend on the particular room, but I would not normally put them must closer than around a metre. I have seen them placed closer and sound OK.
Regarding your question about vocalists, if they a in the centre in the mix, that is where the Borderlands, or any other German Physiks loudspeaker, will place them.
Robert Kelly
German Physiks
Hi Terry - i have never heard these speakers but there is a cult following particularly in the UK (pinkfish)for Shahinian speakers , i have had Arcs, Obs2 and compass in my system would love you to audition and feedback , they are superb (enjoying the channel )👌👌😀😀
Are you not familiar with either
- dipole, the classic LX521 ?? or
- cardiod, eg the Dutch and Dutch 8c ??
@PursuitPerfectSystem is no reply … a no?
I loved my Duevel Sirius which also German made omnidirectional speakers, the drivers are not pointed to listeners and they are two way with a horn and 12" woofer... Cheers
you got a super tweet haven't you? you should have tried it I think it needs it by your comments, probably you could set it to probably number one on the speakers and I'm thinking maybe the super tweeter might be good not on the top but at the back of the cone attach it with some blue tech looks like enough room ribbon tweeter is ideal I think that's what you got.
did you use EQ with them normally you do don't you?
No I dont have one, I was thinking of reaching out to a couple of companies to use one with the Mission 770 but never got that far. These dont need them and it could make it worse, no idea but it could be something to explore for a but of fun and discovery
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I doubt it will make it worse no reason why it should if it's fully adjustable. I don't know why I thought you had one must be somebody else I'm thinking of.
get the plasma or ribbon one that's the better option.
one thing I wanted to know is it a single 12-in bass driver or dual driver?
One 12 inch per speaker not two :)
@@PursuitPerfectSystem
right ok I'm still not sure how this mid-range tweeter works it's one unit isn't it is it like BML driver
When do you think you will review the JBL Partybox series?
Wow that is something a little different for me to look at :)
Please review 'Kii Three BXT' I think you will love them.
I have heard the Kii a number of times it’s quite a dry sound not sure it would be for me being honest but never say never
Lol, I just wanted to comment that Terry won't like that sound from what I learned about his tastes, and there he wrote it by himself. I didn't like the Kii speaker either. Dry and not musical for my taste as well.
Could they be a future purchase?
It’s a lot of money for me, I am a poor hifi reviewer but who can say what’s in the future :)
Zeta Zero orbitals are also omni but with many small ribbon membranes. And more powerful bass. Germans need to work some harder to catch up ;)
Terrible timing. You dropped this video just as my lunch break finished.
I know what I'm doing as soon as I finish work. 😁
Hahaha I am trying to be 4pm Saturday consistent 😂
D-d-d-driver! 🤣
It stands for something but yeah it’s a funny name
What an odd looking speaker