I came here thinking, "what kind of foolish take is James going to have? " Then you said, "they threw everything at the wall just to see what sticks." And you're completely correct. The game would have been better without half of the mechanics.
That’s why the pandora mode is so weird too. If the game is going by Tekken tag rules where one character dying is the end of the round, it’s weird to have a mechanic where you kill off one of your characters but can still play the round lol
One character KO's actually is okay for me. Otherwise you get MVC3 where people just keep the characters out most the time and don't bother tagging for defensive reasons, I got bored seeing players leaving out a character with a sliver of heath after a ko on someone, let them heal and use your next character.
Just to give people who never got to know X Tekken some context... To this day, X Tekken remains to be the ONLY major fighting game from capcom that has made me question if they even tested ANYTHING. Sure maybe the direction that SF5 or even SF6 took may not be your cup of tea, but those games at least have a vision and went out to fulfill their goals. X Tekken on the other hand made you question if the game WAS DESIGNED TO BE PLAYED IN THE FIRST PLACE, and I'm of course refering to the biggest criminal in the game, the one thing that will forever bury that game into oblivion more so than the supid gems, the stupid pandora, the stupid chain mechanic that has literally no reason for existing, and even the stupid walk-up jabs plaguing the game on release. I'm talking about time-outs. When the game came out, everyone who was trying to enjoy their new game quickly found out that the rounds would always seem to end in a time out. This was mainly due to the fact that each player had two separate health bars, one for each of your characters, and the round ended obviously when one of your health bars dropped to zero, but since characters had individual health bars, you could potentially just tag out for the first time in the round and suddenly your health is back to 100 again. And btw did I mention that characters had gray health that was healing in the background too? It was like nobody thought anything through, and the thing that baffles me to this day is that developers did not seem to account these factors on the timer for each round, so people would simply never die. This was such a fucked up problem deep within the game's core design, cause honestly how the hell do you even fix this????? This is problematic down to the FREAKING CONCEPT dude. Well they did release a major patch but did they fix it? Eeeehhh, sort of. They made it better, but not nearly enough imo. I'm not gonna go through the whole list of changes, but go watch some games and you tell me how many rounds come suuuuper close to time even today. Also, the patch came a year later. The damage was already done, and even if you didn't think this core error in design was enough to curse this game, then one of the other 100 things did it for sure.
One of the biggest flexes I have as a TO for this game is when Capcom put a whole bunch of money down for VSav at ECT 2022 and SFxT side tournament still blew it out of the water when it came to VOD numbers here on RUclips. 😅
Its crazy cause I really liked SFXT, as well as SF2Remix, but to be fair, I've never had competitive friends and family to play with. Only by myself, cause no one wanted to play against me 😢, even when I was only 10 years old playing SF2 on SNES, so I've never had competitive engagement most of my life. Hell, I'm old now and am still alone playing by myself, but get super hyped when someone shows interest in fighting games. 😢
Love your content, James. Though I tried not to, I am compelled to address some of these topics. 😝 09:16 You’re telling me Rival School fans wouldn’t care if the next Rival Schools played like Smash or Power Stone? 🤨 09:45 Not worrying about the details and putting the majority of thought into the artistic vision is how you’ll create something like 12:09. Again, love your stuff. Hope this didn’t sound combative. 😅
Well, obviously they want it to still be a fighting game. I always tell them I’d turn it into a tag fighter and then ask if they would be okay if it didn’t play like an older Rival Schools. That’s all I meant they’re saying. And having a vision of what your game should be would prevent random Chain Combo mechanics. Of course you have to worry about the details, but having a vision means the details fit a goal or a theme. The thing is for SFxT, I couldn’t tell you what they were going for with this game. Was it meant to be more offensive or neutral heavy? Was it trying to make Tekken characters feel like Street Fighter characters? Did they intend to just make Tekken characters feel like Street Fighter characters? Etc. As I said about SFxT, just feels like they just did whatever because they really weren’t sure what they were going for at all.
@@UltraChenTV I’ll just gloss over the implication of Power Stone and Smash not being a fighting game. Different debate for a different day. 😝 But who’s to say SF vs T didn’t have a vision? Perhaps it was to create something different from Street Fighter and different from Tekken (and clearly micro transactions 😝). Street Fighter making a game with Tekken is a once in a lifetime kind of event. Perhaps Pandora was meant to be something you’d see once in every thousand, or ten thousand games. But when it happened and it worked it would be really exciting. Kind of like the idea of SF vs T happening. I guess I’m confused about what you mean about not “worrying about the details” and that the “artistic vision is most important” then saying the vision would prevent a detail like chain combos. You going more in depth about artistic vision vs game mechanics would be a video from you I’d love to watch. Thanks for reading and replying, and keep up the great work.
Oh Power Stone and Smash are Fighting Games. I just mean the more traditional style as opposed to Playform and Arena style Fighting Games. So there’s not debate there at all. Hell, I called the original Virtual On a Fighting Game. What I mean by artistic vision is trying to make a game feel a certain way. Everything about SFxT conflicts with itself. Like if you try to describe the game as it is, most will tell you it’s a very Neutral-based Fighting Game. But looking at everything in the game, it was clearly intended NOT to be fundamentals heavy. But they went that way because that was the easier way to try and salvage the timeout mess of year 1. I guess I can’t really explain it, but the game just “feels” off. Not in terms of gameplay directly, but in terms of what the hell the game is supposed to be. And I can tell you with some confidence that SFxT had no vision. Outside of it being a way to try and make people spend money on Gems and other such things. You’ll just have to trust me on that one. Haha.
10:20 - GOING BACK I expected SFxT to just have Tekken characters play like they were from Street Fighter. I expect(ed) TxSF to just have Street Fighter characters play like they're in Tekken. Tekken 7 came and *almost* foreclosed this in all kinds of directions, except that Akuma and Geese were nearly impossible to balance in that game, and it would really be a different beast without those two in it. The Heat System and Drive System aren't an accident, they're a deliberate attempt to meet somewhere in the middle - and I honestly expect a 3-way Capcom/SNK/Tekken crossover game where you can play with Heat Mode, Drive Mode, and Max Mode.
In Street Fighter 4 the focus attack is like an ink stroke on a classic Japanese scroll. The message I get is : "if you get good at the game maybe, on some level, you could be as good as stereo-typically Japanese fighting game players are. Even if you don't get good the promise is there."
Although it was pretty much sf4 with a new coat of paint and tekken characters, you could tell the devs had a blast making it. The music, character interactions, and some visual designs were really cool! If theres only one thing i can say sfxt did right that no one else did, it was making an awesome training stage haha! 😅
I remember everyone sounding randomly angry or cranky in that game. The best thing about the whole experience was the Vita shorts. Seeing all these characters interact with each other was cool. Otherwise, you could say that for better or worse, the game was the fighting game equivalent of amateur fanfiction: cool concept, horrible execution.
As of the last patch this game was amazing and Justin wong agrees with me. It's actually really underrated, Capcom just fucked up royally with the dlc debacle. (Which became commonplace.) And the stupid gems system. Pandora and the timeouts where just a bit wack and thier first attenpt at rollback netcode a complete failure, as for the other game my guess is its either a mortal kombat, killer instinct or tekken game
Remember before launch they had that reality TV show, Big Brother style series where fighting game players were living in the same house and trying to eliminate eachother? And it got really weird and had harassment claims? Just another example of throwing all the shit at the wall. What a disaster
As much as I love the game, some adjustments to stage size and shortening of super length would have gone a long way towards making it more enjoyable for me. Hell maybe even making the screen itself a bit shorter so the max distance between characters is less? Either way the game is gr8 but it gets so slow at high level. Combos do not feel snappy or fun to perform or watch and supers are just such absurd pacebreakers even if they look nice. Gem system could have also been a bit more intuitive.
With pandora, I think they wanted to create hype moments for epic comebacks and it's really there to push out the social marketability of the game "look at this crazy comeback" or if you're watching a tournament live it's a moment. And it's not there because it's good, it's because they wanted to push the eSports hype moment to moment. Same with gems, what's going to happen!? Moment to moment, just have something happen that could be exciting. But I think the Tekken cast had some really interesting movesets and I'd like them to return in some form in the future.
If by some miracle an SFxT2 was ever greenlit, they could EASILY make it the most epic game ever. That it really fizzled is a good indication of just how little appeal the game had in the end, not to mention it was out at the same time as SFIV and wasn’t different enough of a game to warrant that.
I framing LOVE Yoshi's Island and it blows my mind that no official successor or spiritual successor has managed to nail the same vibe. (I like Yoshi's Story and Crafted World too, but they are not the same flavor. )
I know mechanically it's not the best game. But I have so much nostalgia for, was still in highschool at the time and remember gamestop advertising the counter to this Tekken x Street fighter before that became vaporware. I still hope we get that one day
I can respect your reasons for hating it having heard them, even if I still like the game. I agree St X Tk was a hodgepodge in alot of ways. I would live to see them take another stab at it, as I love to see a sequel to iron alot of the shortcomings and lean into the parts that definitely did work.
I get it. I tried to like SfXT, but I just couldn't get into it. Everything felt sluggish and slow paced to where timeouts were way too common. It was a night and day difference compared to Tekken Tag 2 at the time. I flat out ignored the Gem and Pandora system. If I could say one thing that was a hit, it's the trailers for SfXT. I didn't bother looking at gameplay, the story set up from the trailers were all I was interested in. But the story and atmosphere ended up being nothing like the trailers suggested. Even then, SFxT isn't something I'd go out my way to trash talk every chance. That would go to BBCTag. From the dumbed down mechanics and characters, reused assets as DLC and the practices. I'd never pass up a opportunity to trash talk that game.
It's the same song as the one in the end, funny enough. A remix of Makoto's Third Strike theme by MKVaff on OCRemix called Jungle Jazz. If you look all that up, it's on RUclips as well with the official OCRemix link that'll lead you to where you can download the song for free.
SFxT was my favorite fighting game. I think the theme was to have a smorgasbord of features, hence gems and other random stuff. The weird 2v2 thing they had was hilarious online.
My experience with SFxT: "Aaaa Lili looks so cool and Kuma is so cute I want to hug hi-" *KUMA FART SUPER* "Nevernind, I hate this, I never want to see this again. Ruined."
Sfxt was a dope game to me. But outside of the gems, what I hated was the chain combo system. There were so many different dope combos you could do with just a Lil bit of practice finding who all flows together. But everyone just settled on the basic ABC basic chain combos back and forth. Zero execution needed for that. Smh.
I know I have a history of being harsh on Third Strike, but it's only because I fell victim to people over-praising it. It might be overrated, it might not be, but in the end I actually LIKE Third Strike a lot. I enjoyed watching it so much back in the day downloading videos from Japan. It's just that, like I said, it was regarded by many as the perfect Fighting Game when Third Strike is anything but. Like you can love your game without thinking it's perfection. I love Super Turbo and on many layers ST is almost kusoge. LOL! There's no way a game with Claw as he is in ST can be accepted as a perfect game. LOL!
I was looking forward to SFxT, had all these fantasy plans of putting my 2 SF4 mains in a team, Dhalsim & Balrog........then I played it for an hour. Both characters basically had the same model, but frame data etc felt jank etc. Went back to SF4.
SFxT sucking is all Yoshinori Ono's fault. He wasn't trying to make a fighting game, he was trying to make a cash grab. People tried to warn him but he was hell bent on doing it his way. Also, the writer was... bad, I which is why the Tekken characters are goofy caricatures of themselves.
Nah sfxt was so hype to watch, and i like the vision of it, it was not perfect but not bad at the same time, it's a versus game it's okay to be tag with chaos mechanics, best versus game til this day
Nothing to do with this episode. I think there should be a limit to the amount of casual matches. You play without playing ranked. Not sure what the number should be, but I feel like the people who grind casual just feel good beating up on people lesser than them are unspoken villain of the fgc. I feel like something along the lines of every hundred matches you playing casual. You have to play 10 matches in ranked. Because nothing is worse than trying to learn a new character and casual, and fighting someone who has hundreds of hours and casual, but never played ranked. This is going to be my diatribe, I'm going to spam this on every video FCC wise I can. If you believe my plate is true. Reiterate this point, I don't want thumbs up, I don't want replies.
Obviously the person could just lose every rank to match. And stay trash and bully people. But I also feel like that would be an easy thing to search for.
There is definitely something to be said about that. But I though casual matches do try at least a LITTLE to match you with people of your strength, right? To be honest, I never use it. Hahaha. I'm the opposite. Outside of Battle Hub, which I love. But more encouragement to play Ranked is a good thing overall, and games haven't figured out how to do that yet because, as I've said many times, RANKED IS NOT FUN. It's a grind, and not everyone wants to do that grind. So there has to be some other gamification of Ranked, another way to spur the endorphins for the player BESIDES just winning. And, again, see my Group Ranked idea.
SfxT was perhaps not ideal for tournament. But in terms of gameplay and accessibility, it was a good product. Good, not great. Is the game fun? That's the only question that matters. To me, it is. And a lot of that has to do with its accessibility. Chains are easy and intuitive for about 70% of the cast, as is the partner switch mechanic. VS style super inputs are very much appreciated. I actually consider this one the more dpad friendly fighting games out there. Super easy input gem makes the game playable in the laggy online environment. The cast in games like TvC are MvC protoypes and you have no incentive to pick the actual Tatsunoko franchise over Capcom, or Vice verse. But in SfxT, I could not just pick up someone like Kazuya and play him like Ryu. Or even chain characters like Guy. If you never played Tekken like me, you actually have to learn some mechanics that's unique to their franchise. That kinda does give the game an identity that I don't find in most Capcom fighting games. The boost gems are essentially TOP meter from Garou or N groove from CvS2. It's nowhere near as broken as X factor in UMvC3, which is genuinely a bad, BAD, broken game. Some assist gems do provide an edge, but they often come with a penalty. Tournies will ban them anyways. I think everyone should just play the game for themselves before being influenced by the crowd. To me, all the Evo hype can't mask the fact that MvC3 was trash. This game was universally hated, but I personally find it enjoyable.
@@UltraChenTV We all have different tastes. I was genuinely hyped to buy a physical copy of Umvc3. I remember the store employee asking me if I really wanted to buy the game. It all went downhill from there.
I don't hear much about this game this is interesting 3D to 2D is hard I feel like no matter what you do unless you turn it 3D than something will be missing but they definitely could have made the buttons closer to it even though that would take a lot more work
Xbox version was also garbage because no couch co op online despite stating it had it. Tekken Tag 2 was so much fun since me and my mate had our mains.
Definitely couldn’t and still can’t stand SFxT. Even stuff like the character select screen was contrasting. You have this dark black background character select with orange haze around the character and then you are fighting in front of a bunch of dubstep glow stick dinosaurs lmao
Loving the defense for SXT in the comments, i thought it was one of the highest potentials to be awsome. But between rhe dumb Jab combos and gems capcom dropped the ball. I hope after Cvs3 and Marvel 4 we look at this crossover again. Also i think the way they translated tekken characters into 2d was genius. They arent playing like street fighter characters because they aren't lol
Some of the SFxT characters from Tekken were awesome. But that's why it makes me mad. They Street Fighter-ized the Tekken characters which is cool... let Tekken X Street Fighter Tekken-ize the Street Fighter characters. But they tried too hard to make Tekken characters an amalgamation of both systems and it didn't gel. Or do the CvS thing and craete Grooves. Make a Tekken Groove and a Street Fighter Groove so we have the best of both worlds. And not even necessarily make it a Groove, make it more like Bust and Slash where you have two different versions of every character... different moves, different chains, etc. I think that would have been far more interesting.
The Gems turned me away from the game personally. I kinda liked Street Fighter X Tekken a bit as a kid (minus the fake Mega Man and Pac-Man) but the gems were way too complicated and annoying to have to memorize.
You didn't even mention the ugly orange filter they slapped on the game, making it look worse than SF4. Or the stage where Ono and Haradas faces are plastered on a bollboard(?) in the background
He can think what he wants. I showed the last few years if SFxT got the same stage as other games, it’d shine at least in the viewcounts. Just needs better ways to play it in the modern day beyond RPCS3 emulation or overpriced PC keys
I always found that sf4 to be very "uncohesive" as well. The focus system is a complete mess if you try to actually explain the rules. They just gradually improved the game over time.
1. You put things in a different light. I knew these things but this painted the entire picture. I hate the art style and the gimmicks. I still enjoy watching the game and want to get into in the future but these things are awful. 2. A directionless creation, reminds me of Kimberly in SF6 😢
Kimberly has a direction, but it seems pretty clear her direction was too strong. And so she has a bunch of tools that are highly muted for balance. I totally picture her being something far scarier at some points during testing.
@@UltraChenTV I feel you on that for sure now that mentioned testing. Makes me think how they nerf her DP during the beta. What would you suggest she needs to be close to ideal for you since she seems to be maybe bottom 5 right now?
I mean, an OD DP would be nice. But if we want to keep her away from that, I think some creative use of the Spray Cans and making them easier to refill is VERY much warranted. I'd like her Sweep to be safer like it was in the beta (nerfed from -8 to -10), or maybe even better. She currently cannot punish standing characters much at all and that's such a HUGE component of SF6 (see crMK into Drive Rush cancel). Only getting Swept instead of DYING wouldn't make Kim too strong. Give her a wall jump or some alternate way out of the corner. Make her Teleport actually useful. Don't do ALL of these things, but one or two would go a long way. But those are all ideas that COULD work via some combination of only a couple of those. The goal isn't to make her overpowered. The goal is to make it so that her lack of OD DP and lack of damage (she starts at 90%) warranted. As long as a character like Blanka exists that does everything Kim does but BETTER *AND* he has an OD DP and no damage nerf, it doesn't make sense leaving Kim as she is.
@@UltraChenTV I never realized the similarities between blanka and Kim. He even gets a object to toss out for setups too. Great comparison. She also can leap onto an opponent but not bounce off a wall? Yeah you're right about the wall bounce for sure. I was thinking maybe Bison(from what I've heard) or Akuma would be better alternatives for her. I've been maining her since S2 started. Gotten her to master but been thinking about dropping her even though I like her because of how much easier half the cast(at least) has it. Thanks alot. For the video and your insight on Kim. I learned some invaluable stuff here.
MvCI was a game that never got a proper chance. It's budget was obviously super low and Marvel was way too hard to work it it seems like. Gameplay-wise, the game was actually really well conceived: the active tagging was fresh and really allowed for a lot of craziness. But obviously, package-wise, they had nothing. Menus were ugly. Character models were ugly. Roster was questionable. Etc. Had it had a budget, it might have been a much stronger product. Whereas it appears that SFxT had ALL the budget, but the game turned out a mess. Perhaps having the budget to do whatever they wanted might have been the reason the game came out as bad as it did. Regardless, it's not a contest between SFxT and MvCI. So I'm not even sure why bring up MvCI in the first place. It can be true that both games suck and that both games are bad. To me, SFxT was just an extremely misguided and failed project for reasons that COULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED. Whereas MvCI was an extremely unpolished game that never stood a chance.
Is it CVS2 that you don't like James? Cause I can't stand that game. I cannot STAND how that game is ALWAYS stanned for by people who have never TOUCHED the awful high level play of that game. I also agree that SFxT was bad.
It's not CvS2. I loved that game a lot, though I stopped playing when Roll Canceling was introduced because I thought it ruined the game. But it actually made it better in the long run. I just never wanted to learn it and I played C-Groove so I had to. Otherwise I had to switch to K-Groove or something.
That’s the weirdest insult ever. Lol! Do you mean I just don’t know how to create in general? Like even if I try to write a book, my hands will freeze and I go comatose and drool? Or do you mean I don’t know how to create a video game, which is obviously true because, well, not a lot of people do, honestly. I’ve never taken classes or sat down and legit tried so, yeah, clearly I don’t know how to make a video game. Hahaha. If you’re just mad that I’m dumping on SFxT, I don’t know what to tell you. People are allowed to have opinions. If you like it, that’s awesome. Play it and enjoy it! Don’t let me stop you. ^_^
Street fighter 2 HD Remix. A fan made remix of super turbo that was hyped a lot and got an official release. It had some questionable design and battle changes so the good parts of it like having rollback were overlooked. Then SF4 came out and the game died lol
Being cohesive is exactly the reason why SF6 is a bad game also, almost all the elements in the game contradict each other. They made World Tour as an MK Deception Konquest bootleg so it can be used as a tutorial for casuals but then not only you don't actually train with the masters but also the CPU just spams moves over and over. And then it got also a legit tutorial mode in Fighting Ground to help casuals even more to get good, but then they add the placement qualifying matches for Ranked which really ruined the skill gap, and when they tried to fix it with the MR system, all they did was to make all the ranks other than Master and Legend to be meaningless because it's the MR that gives you a more accurate skill level of the player and it only starts at Master rank. There are actually even more contradictory problems in SF6 but that should be enough to showcase this overall problem, SF6 is just one huge contradiction case.
What I hate about the game is that it is not available to be legally bought and buying physical copies is pointless because I don’t have previous gen consoles and my pc does not run discs
I agree with the fact that gems and dlc gems sucked and the time outs... but in general I liked the gameplay of SFxT
I agree the business practices of capcom sucked, but the core game if it wasn't so poorly managed was alot of fun.
I came here thinking, "what kind of foolish take is James going to have? "
Then you said, "they threw everything at the wall just to see what sticks." And you're completely correct. The game would have been better without half of the mechanics.
I agree buuut still top tier crossover of all time I'm looking for it now
I just liked how unique the tekken characters felt
Jin punching out energy balls was so cool
The one lifebar KO always bothered me here and in tekken tag. I want to KO all lifebars on a team
That’s why the pandora mode is so weird too. If the game is going by Tekken tag rules where one character dying is the end of the round, it’s weird to have a mechanic where you kill off one of your characters but can still play the round lol
Tekken tag is the 🐐 I don't mind
One character KO's actually is okay for me.
Otherwise you get MVC3 where people just keep the characters out most the time and don't bother tagging for defensive reasons, I got bored seeing players leaving out a character with a sliver of heath after a ko on someone, let them heal and use your next character.
SFxT was one of my favorite fighting games of all time but I hated the gems just like in fighting ex layer
Just to give people who never got to know X Tekken some context...
To this day, X Tekken remains to be the ONLY major fighting game from capcom that has made me question if they even tested ANYTHING. Sure maybe the direction that SF5 or even SF6 took may not be your cup of tea, but those games at least have a vision and went out to fulfill their goals. X Tekken on the other hand made you question if the game WAS DESIGNED TO BE PLAYED IN THE FIRST PLACE, and I'm of course refering to the biggest criminal in the game, the one thing that will forever bury that game into oblivion more so than the supid gems, the stupid pandora, the stupid chain mechanic that has literally no reason for existing, and even the stupid walk-up jabs plaguing the game on release. I'm talking about time-outs.
When the game came out, everyone who was trying to enjoy their new game quickly found out that the rounds would always seem to end in a time out. This was mainly due to the fact that each player had two separate health bars, one for each of your characters, and the round ended obviously when one of your health bars dropped to zero, but since characters had individual health bars, you could potentially just tag out for the first time in the round and suddenly your health is back to 100 again. And btw did I mention that characters had gray health that was healing in the background too? It was like nobody thought anything through, and the thing that baffles me to this day is that developers did not seem to account these factors on the timer for each round, so people would simply never die. This was such a fucked up problem deep within the game's core design, cause honestly how the hell do you even fix this????? This is problematic down to the FREAKING CONCEPT dude.
Well they did release a major patch but did they fix it? Eeeehhh, sort of. They made it better, but not nearly enough imo. I'm not gonna go through the whole list of changes, but go watch some games and you tell me how many rounds come suuuuper close to time even today. Also, the patch came a year later. The damage was already done, and even if you didn't think this core error in design was enough to curse this game, then one of the other 100 things did it for sure.
One of the biggest flexes I have as a TO for this game is when Capcom put a whole bunch of money down for VSav at ECT 2022 and SFxT side tournament still blew it out of the water when it came to VOD numbers here on RUclips. 😅
Got this game, went online, first opponent had infinite super meter, never opened the game again
Killing one character to win the match always bothered me. Beat up both characters to win makes more sense
SFxT was terrible and unplayable at launch. It became a good game, but it doesn't matter because it became a good game too late.
Its crazy cause I really liked SFXT, as well as SF2Remix, but to be fair, I've never had competitive friends and family to play with. Only by myself, cause no one wanted to play against me 😢, even when I was only 10 years old playing SF2 on SNES, so I've never had competitive engagement most of my life.
Hell, I'm old now and am still alone playing by myself, but get super hyped when someone shows interest in fighting games. 😢
What games you play nowadays?
as a spectator, the game that makes me feel how james is feeling with sfxt is mvci haha
7:35 it wouldnt be james chen if he wasnt complaining about cammy
He knows Cammys issues even in the most obscure competitive games lol
I was soooooo bitter they nerfed her compared to everyone else just because.
@@UltraChenTVI forgot Cammy was even in the game...
@@UltraChenTV Cammy players aren't allowed to have nice things. Decapre players aren't allowed to have anything
say what you want about SFxT but I actually enjoyed doing combos in that game
This game was alright to play.... But man was it completely awful to watch high level play of this game.
This game was fun. The gems 💎 was a bit to much but it was fun 🤩.
Does anyone remember the really early videos of the game when it was announced which showed it was more over the top with combos
Love your content, James.
Though I tried not to, I am compelled to address some of these topics. 😝
09:16 You’re telling me Rival School fans wouldn’t care if the next Rival Schools played like Smash or Power Stone? 🤨
09:45 Not worrying about the details and putting the majority of thought into the artistic vision is how you’ll create something like 12:09.
Again, love your stuff. Hope this didn’t sound combative. 😅
Well, obviously they want it to still be a fighting game. I always tell them I’d turn it into a tag fighter and then ask if they would be okay if it didn’t play like an older Rival Schools. That’s all I meant they’re saying.
And having a vision of what your game should be would prevent random Chain Combo mechanics. Of course you have to worry about the details, but having a vision means the details fit a goal or a theme. The thing is for SFxT, I couldn’t tell you what they were going for with this game. Was it meant to be more offensive or neutral heavy? Was it trying to make Tekken characters feel like Street Fighter characters? Did they intend to just make Tekken characters feel like Street Fighter characters? Etc. As I said about SFxT, just feels like they just did whatever because they really weren’t sure what they were going for at all.
@@UltraChenTV I’ll just gloss over the implication of Power Stone and Smash not being a fighting game. Different debate for a different day. 😝
But who’s to say SF vs T didn’t have a vision? Perhaps it was to create something different from Street Fighter and different from Tekken (and clearly micro transactions 😝).
Street Fighter making a game with Tekken is a once in a lifetime kind of event.
Perhaps Pandora was meant to be something you’d see once in every thousand, or ten thousand games. But when it happened and it worked it would be really exciting. Kind of like the idea of SF vs T happening.
I guess I’m confused about what you mean about not “worrying about the details” and that the “artistic vision is most important” then saying the vision would prevent a detail like chain combos.
You going more in depth about artistic vision vs game mechanics would be a video from you I’d love to watch.
Thanks for reading and replying, and keep up the great work.
Oh Power Stone and Smash are Fighting Games. I just mean the more traditional style as opposed to Playform and Arena style Fighting Games. So there’s not debate there at all. Hell, I called the original Virtual On a Fighting Game.
What I mean by artistic vision is trying to make a game feel a certain way. Everything about SFxT conflicts with itself. Like if you try to describe the game as it is, most will tell you it’s a very Neutral-based Fighting Game. But looking at everything in the game, it was clearly intended NOT to be fundamentals heavy. But they went that way because that was the easier way to try and salvage the timeout mess of year 1. I guess I can’t really explain it, but the game just “feels” off. Not in terms of gameplay directly, but in terms of what the hell the game is supposed to be.
And I can tell you with some confidence that SFxT had no vision. Outside of it being a way to try and make people spend money on Gems and other such things. You’ll just have to trust me on that one. Haha.
10:20 - GOING BACK
I expected SFxT to just have Tekken characters play like they were from Street Fighter.
I expect(ed) TxSF to just have Street Fighter characters play like they're in Tekken.
Tekken 7 came and *almost* foreclosed this in all kinds of directions, except that Akuma and Geese were nearly impossible to balance in that game, and it would really be a different beast without those two in it. The Heat System and Drive System aren't an accident, they're a deliberate attempt to meet somewhere in the middle - and I honestly expect a 3-way Capcom/SNK/Tekken crossover game where you can play with Heat Mode, Drive Mode, and Max Mode.
If you've even seen this competitively, it's basically Chun-Li X Tekken
In Street Fighter 4 the focus attack is like an ink stroke on a classic Japanese scroll.
The message I get is : "if you get good at the game maybe, on some level,
you could be as good as stereo-typically Japanese fighting game players are.
Even if you don't get good the promise is there."
Although it was pretty much sf4 with a new coat of paint and tekken characters, you could tell the devs had a blast making it. The music, character interactions, and some visual designs were really cool! If theres only one thing i can say sfxt did right that no one else did, it was making an awesome training stage haha! 😅
I'd like to hear more of James' thoughts on Darkstalkers' mood & story.
I’m sure I gushed about it somewhere in my 4-hour gushing session about how great Vampire Savior is here on this channel. Hahaha!
@@UltraChenTV Maybe for halloween season?
I remember everyone sounding randomly angry or cranky in that game. The best thing about the whole experience was the Vita shorts. Seeing all these characters interact with each other was cool. Otherwise, you could say that for better or worse, the game was the fighting game equivalent of amateur fanfiction: cool concept, horrible execution.
As of the last patch this game was amazing and Justin wong agrees with me. It's actually really underrated, Capcom just fucked up royally with the dlc debacle. (Which became commonplace.) And the stupid gems system. Pandora and the timeouts where just a bit wack and thier first attenpt at rollback netcode a complete failure, as for the other game my guess is its either a mortal kombat, killer instinct or tekken game
Remember before launch they had that reality TV show, Big Brother style series where fighting game players were living in the same house and trying to eliminate eachother? And it got really weird and had harassment claims?
Just another example of throwing all the shit at the wall. What a disaster
As much as I love the game, some adjustments to stage size and shortening of super length would have gone a long way towards making it more enjoyable for me. Hell maybe even making the screen itself a bit shorter so the max distance between characters is less?
Either way the game is gr8 but it gets so slow at high level. Combos do not feel snappy or fun to perform or watch and supers are just such absurd pacebreakers even if they look nice.
Gem system could have also been a bit more intuitive.
Is there a video where you discuss your issues with HDR? If not then I’d like to hear it, never played it.
What game is HDR?
Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix!
@@UltraChenTV Thank you!
With pandora, I think they wanted to create hype moments for epic comebacks and it's really there to push out the social marketability of the game "look at this crazy comeback" or if you're watching a tournament live it's a moment.
And it's not there because it's good, it's because they wanted to push the eSports hype moment to moment.
Same with gems, what's going to happen!? Moment to moment, just have something happen that could be exciting.
But I think the Tekken cast had some really interesting movesets and I'd like them to return in some form in the future.
If by some miracle an SFxT2 was ever greenlit, they could EASILY make it the most epic game ever. That it really fizzled is a good indication of just how little appeal the game had in the end, not to mention it was out at the same time as SFIV and wasn’t different enough of a game to warrant that.
I framing LOVE Yoshi's Island and it blows my mind that no official successor or spiritual successor has managed to nail the same vibe. (I like Yoshi's Story and Crafted World too, but they are not the same flavor. )
Whose remix is the Makoto theme from the beggining of the video?
It’s by an artist on OC Remix named MKVaff. It’s called “Jungle Jazz”. If you search for it, there’s a RUclips video for it here.
@@UltraChenTV Thanks James! Will check it out asap
I know mechanically it's not the best game. But I have so much nostalgia for, was still in highschool at the time and remember gamestop advertising the counter to this Tekken x Street fighter before that became vaporware. I still hope we get that one day
They should take MvCI's engine and mechanics as a base for SFxT
Gems are confusing, DLC was shady. If they fixed this on an eventual sequel, it would be a great franchise.
I can respect your reasons for hating it having heard them, even if I still like the game. I agree St X Tk was a hodgepodge in alot of ways. I would live to see them take another stab at it, as I love to see a sequel to iron alot of the shortcomings and lean into the parts that definitely did work.
I get it. I tried to like SfXT, but I just couldn't get into it. Everything felt sluggish and slow paced to where timeouts were way too common. It was a night and day difference compared to Tekken Tag 2 at the time. I flat out ignored the Gem and Pandora system. If I could say one thing that was a hit, it's the trailers for SfXT. I didn't bother looking at gameplay, the story set up from the trailers were all I was interested in. But the story and atmosphere ended up being nothing like the trailers suggested. Even then, SFxT isn't something I'd go out my way to trash talk every chance. That would go to BBCTag. From the dumbed down mechanics and characters, reused assets as DLC and the practices. I'd never pass up a opportunity to trash talk that game.
The game you won’t mention is T7 right? Right?!
I thought T7 was good. T6 was ass.
Why would it be Tekken 7? Ohhhhh. Because of the rage video. Hahaha! No, I liked Tekken 7. Definitely was not that game.
It's gotta be Capcom Fighting Jam/Evolution.
It's far too easy to hate, and most people actually WANT to pretend it never exists.
Whats the song at the beginning?
It's the same song as the one in the end, funny enough. A remix of Makoto's Third Strike theme by MKVaff on OCRemix called Jungle Jazz. If you look all that up, it's on RUclips as well with the official OCRemix link that'll lead you to where you can download the song for free.
@@UltraChenTV thanks
SFxT was my favorite fighting game. I think the theme was to have a smorgasbord of features, hence gems and other random stuff. The weird 2v2 thing they had was hilarious online.
personal sfXt now in days is one my favorite fighting games of allll time
Im really curious whatvthe other game is.
My experience with SFxT:
"Aaaa Lili looks so cool and Kuma is so cute I want to hug hi-"
*KUMA FART SUPER*
"Nevernind, I hate this, I never want to see this again. Ruined."
Sfxt was a dope game to me. But outside of the gems, what I hated was the chain combo system. There were so many different dope combos you could do with just a Lil bit of practice finding who all flows together. But everyone just settled on the basic ABC basic chain combos back and forth. Zero execution needed for that. Smh.
By the way the second game is SF 3 Third Strike... he said that the game is overrated and its true.
I know I have a history of being harsh on Third Strike, but it's only because I fell victim to people over-praising it. It might be overrated, it might not be, but in the end I actually LIKE Third Strike a lot. I enjoyed watching it so much back in the day downloading videos from Japan. It's just that, like I said, it was regarded by many as the perfect Fighting Game when Third Strike is anything but. Like you can love your game without thinking it's perfection. I love Super Turbo and on many layers ST is almost kusoge. LOL! There's no way a game with Claw as he is in ST can be accepted as a perfect game. LOL!
I was looking forward to SFxT, had all these fantasy plans of putting my 2 SF4 mains in a team, Dhalsim & Balrog........then I played it for an hour. Both characters basically had the same model, but frame data etc felt jank etc. Went back to SF4.
Gems and Pandora system get axed immediately. Adjust the timer so every game doesn't end in a time out.
Hey alteast we have SF6, with it's zero neutral, AD friendly aggressive gameplay!
SFxT sucking is all Yoshinori Ono's fault. He wasn't trying to make a fighting game, he was trying to make a cash grab. People tried to warn him but he was hell bent on doing it his way.
Also, the writer was... bad, I which is why the Tekken characters are goofy caricatures of themselves.
I loved SFxT. And, I thought it was really well balanced. Of course I’m speaking from a non-pro level.
Yea I loved it when I had my time with it but damn, tekken characters had so many extra moves
It was so balanced that games often ended in time outs, just because.
Nah sfxt was so hype to watch, and i like the vision of it, it was not perfect but not bad at the same time, it's a versus game it's okay to be tag with chaos mechanics, best versus game til this day
Nothing to do with this episode. I think there should be a limit to the amount of casual matches. You play without playing ranked. Not sure what the number should be, but I feel like the people who grind casual just feel good beating up on people lesser than them are unspoken villain of the fgc. I feel like something along the lines of every hundred matches you playing casual. You have to play 10 matches in ranked. Because nothing is worse than trying to learn a new character and casual, and fighting someone who has hundreds of hours and casual, but never played ranked. This is going to be my diatribe, I'm going to spam this on every video FCC wise I can. If you believe my plate is true. Reiterate this point, I don't want thumbs up, I don't want replies.
Obviously the person could just lose every rank to match. And stay trash and bully people. But I also feel like that would be an easy thing to search for.
There is definitely something to be said about that. But I though casual matches do try at least a LITTLE to match you with people of your strength, right? To be honest, I never use it. Hahaha. I'm the opposite. Outside of Battle Hub, which I love. But more encouragement to play Ranked is a good thing overall, and games haven't figured out how to do that yet because, as I've said many times, RANKED IS NOT FUN. It's a grind, and not everyone wants to do that grind. So there has to be some other gamification of Ranked, another way to spur the endorphins for the player BESIDES just winning. And, again, see my Group Ranked idea.
SfxT was perhaps not ideal for tournament. But in terms of gameplay and accessibility, it was a good product. Good, not great.
Is the game fun? That's the only question that matters. To me, it is. And a lot of that has to do with its accessibility. Chains are easy and intuitive for about 70% of the cast, as is the partner switch mechanic. VS style super inputs are very much appreciated. I actually consider this one the more dpad friendly fighting games out there. Super easy input gem makes the game playable in the laggy online environment.
The cast in games like TvC are MvC protoypes and you have no incentive to pick the actual Tatsunoko franchise over Capcom, or Vice verse. But in SfxT, I could not just pick up someone like Kazuya and play him like Ryu. Or even chain characters like Guy. If you never played Tekken like me, you actually have to learn some mechanics that's unique to their franchise. That kinda does give the game an identity that I don't find in most Capcom fighting games.
The boost gems are essentially TOP meter from Garou or N groove from CvS2. It's nowhere near as broken as X factor in UMvC3, which is genuinely a bad, BAD, broken game. Some assist gems do provide an edge, but they often come with a penalty. Tournies will ban them anyways.
I think everyone should just play the game for themselves before being influenced by the crowd. To me, all the Evo hype can't mask the fact that MvC3 was trash. This game was universally hated, but I personally find it enjoyable.
UMvC3 IMO is one of the best Fighting Games of all time. Haha. I had it as Fighting Game of the Decade in 2020. ^_^
@@UltraChenTV We all have different tastes. I was genuinely hyped to buy a physical copy of Umvc3. I remember the store employee asking me if I really wanted to buy the game. It all went downhill from there.
love the game and even more the SOUNDTRACK 😎
I can imagine if they rematsered this game without gems it would be an actually great game
I don't hear much about this game this is interesting
3D to 2D is hard I feel like no matter what you do unless you turn it 3D than something will be missing but they definitely could have made the buttons closer to it even though that would take a lot more work
The only game that Gems should exist is Puzzle Fighter and Puzzle Fighter.
"This is where I'm most scared of of new Darkstalkers games" You don't have to be scared of anything. Capcom's not making a new Darkstalkers.
Xbox version was also garbage because no couch co op online despite stating it had it.
Tekken Tag 2 was so much fun since me and my mate had our mains.
Definitely couldn’t and still can’t stand SFxT. Even stuff like the character select screen was contrasting. You have this dark black background character select with orange haze around the character and then you are fighting in front of a bunch of dubstep glow stick dinosaurs lmao
What is HDR?
HD Remix, a modern balanced Super Turbo released just before SFIV.
Loving the defense for SXT in the comments, i thought it was one of the highest potentials to be awsome. But between rhe dumb Jab combos and gems capcom dropped the ball. I hope after Cvs3 and Marvel 4 we look at this crossover again. Also i think the way they translated tekken characters into 2d was genius. They arent playing like street fighter characters because they aren't lol
Some of the SFxT characters from Tekken were awesome. But that's why it makes me mad. They Street Fighter-ized the Tekken characters which is cool... let Tekken X Street Fighter Tekken-ize the Street Fighter characters. But they tried too hard to make Tekken characters an amalgamation of both systems and it didn't gel. Or do the CvS thing and craete Grooves. Make a Tekken Groove and a Street Fighter Groove so we have the best of both worlds. And not even necessarily make it a Groove, make it more like Bust and Slash where you have two different versions of every character... different moves, different chains, etc. I think that would have been far more interesting.
What game James hates that he doesn't want to talk about, is it Tekken 7 ?
This was my favorite crossover of all time 😂
The Gems turned me away from the game personally. I kinda liked Street Fighter X Tekken a bit as a kid (minus the fake Mega Man and Pac-Man) but the gems were way too complicated and annoying to have to memorize.
The only thing I liked about SFXT was Kings long mane costume.
You didn't even mention the ugly orange filter they slapped on the game, making it look worse than SF4. Or the stage where Ono and Haradas faces are plastered on a bollboard(?) in the background
I never understood why the game was SO ORANGE. O_o
I hope Psychoblue won’t see this vid lol
He can think what he wants. I showed the last few years if SFxT got the same stage as other games, it’d shine at least in the viewcounts. Just needs better ways to play it in the modern day beyond RPCS3 emulation or overpriced PC keys
It's too bad how poorly executed the game was because I liked pretty much everything about it that's not related to the gameplay mechanics.
O no, how did this game ever come out the way it did, I wonder.
Why do i feel like you're hating sf6
Haha. It’s not SF6, I really like that game.
@@UltraChenTV Alright I'll take your word for it. you'd be proud of me uncle James 137 fights with a 70% win rate
justin would disagree on this lol ''best game mechanics''
I always found that sf4 to be very "uncohesive" as well. The focus system is a complete mess if you try to actually explain the rules. They just gradually improved the game over time.
1. You put things in a different light. I knew these things but this painted the entire picture. I hate the art style and the gimmicks. I still enjoy watching the game and want to get into in the future but these things are awful.
2. A directionless creation, reminds me of Kimberly in SF6 😢
Kimberly has a direction, but it seems pretty clear her direction was too strong. And so she has a bunch of tools that are highly muted for balance. I totally picture her being something far scarier at some points during testing.
@@UltraChenTV I feel you on that for sure now that mentioned testing. Makes me think how they nerf her DP during the beta.
What would you suggest she needs to be close to ideal for you since she seems to be maybe bottom 5 right now?
I mean, an OD DP would be nice. But if we want to keep her away from that, I think some creative use of the Spray Cans and making them easier to refill is VERY much warranted. I'd like her Sweep to be safer like it was in the beta (nerfed from -8 to -10), or maybe even better. She currently cannot punish standing characters much at all and that's such a HUGE component of SF6 (see crMK into Drive Rush cancel). Only getting Swept instead of DYING wouldn't make Kim too strong. Give her a wall jump or some alternate way out of the corner. Make her Teleport actually useful.
Don't do ALL of these things, but one or two would go a long way. But those are all ideas that COULD work via some combination of only a couple of those. The goal isn't to make her overpowered. The goal is to make it so that her lack of OD DP and lack of damage (she starts at 90%) warranted. As long as a character like Blanka exists that does everything Kim does but BETTER *AND* he has an OD DP and no damage nerf, it doesn't make sense leaving Kim as she is.
@@UltraChenTV I never realized the similarities between blanka and Kim. He even gets a object to toss out for setups too. Great comparison. She also can leap onto an opponent but not bounce off a wall? Yeah you're right about the wall bounce for sure.
I was thinking maybe Bison(from what I've heard) or Akuma would be better alternatives for her. I've been maining her since S2 started. Gotten her to master but been thinking about dropping her even though I like her because of how much easier half the cast(at least) has it.
Thanks alot. For the video and your insight on Kim. I learned some invaluable stuff here.
Imagine if SFxT, SF5, and MvCI weren't dog shit releases
Personally, I enjoy SFxT more than that pile of doo doo, MvCI, just want to share that.
MvCI was a game that never got a proper chance. It's budget was obviously super low and Marvel was way too hard to work it it seems like. Gameplay-wise, the game was actually really well conceived: the active tagging was fresh and really allowed for a lot of craziness. But obviously, package-wise, they had nothing. Menus were ugly. Character models were ugly. Roster was questionable. Etc. Had it had a budget, it might have been a much stronger product. Whereas it appears that SFxT had ALL the budget, but the game turned out a mess. Perhaps having the budget to do whatever they wanted might have been the reason the game came out as bad as it did.
Regardless, it's not a contest between SFxT and MvCI. So I'm not even sure why bring up MvCI in the first place. It can be true that both games suck and that both games are bad. To me, SFxT was just an extremely misguided and failed project for reasons that COULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED. Whereas MvCI was an extremely unpolished game that never stood a chance.
Is it CVS2 that you don't like James? Cause I can't stand that game. I cannot STAND how that game is ALWAYS stanned for by people who have never TOUCHED the awful high level play of that game. I also agree that SFxT was bad.
It's not CvS2. I loved that game a lot, though I stopped playing when Roll Canceling was introduced because I thought it ruined the game. But it actually made it better in the long run. I just never wanted to learn it and I played C-Groove so I had to. Otherwise I had to switch to K-Groove or something.
He made the cvs 2 bible bro
@@UltraChenTVso you're favorite version is the gamecube one? Where the devs actually tried to balance it and pros hated that they fixed a bug LOL
If we're never gonna get it, my guess is it's Marvel 3 and I hope I'm wrong lol
Marvel 3 is one of my favorite fighting games of all time despite being really bad at it. Haha.
@@UltraChenTV Oh thank gad lmao
My problem wad time outs!
Game James secretly shit on? Let me guess....Soul calibur 5?
Stop the criticism and create your own game, oh wait you can not cause you don't know shit about creating.
That’s the weirdest insult ever. Lol! Do you mean I just don’t know how to create in general? Like even if I try to write a book, my hands will freeze and I go comatose and drool? Or do you mean I don’t know how to create a video game, which is obviously true because, well, not a lot of people do, honestly. I’ve never taken classes or sat down and legit tried so, yeah, clearly I don’t know how to make a video game. Hahaha.
If you’re just mad that I’m dumping on SFxT, I don’t know what to tell you. People are allowed to have opinions. If you like it, that’s awesome. Play it and enjoy it! Don’t let me stop you. ^_^
SFxT Mega Man was awesome lmao.
Wth is HDR?
Street fighter 2 HD Remix. A fan made remix of super turbo that was hyped a lot and got an official release. It had some questionable design and battle changes so the good parts of it like having rollback were overlooked. Then SF4 came out and the game died lol
Loved that game
Sfxt was awful and made me lose faith officially in capcom.
new dragon age cause use your insights.
I think the game james secretly trashes is sf6.
Why do people say this? Is it just because Kim IS BAD AND MAKES ME CRY AT NIGHT AND…
Oh. Umm… Sorry. Don’t know. Where that came. From.
@@UltraChenTV I think it's cause urien isn't in the game to be nerfed every patch.
Gems Chen
No you terrible
Still better than sf 6.
Gems Chen Kappa
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My moneys on sf6 that he doesn’t like
As an old SF head, I'd sooner bet on Third Strike being the game that he doesn't like than SF6.
You're all wrong. I can tell you right now it's not a Capcom game.
@@UltraChenTV Heh. That's decidedly less interesting. :)
I bet it's tekken 7 and if it is you are awful.. 😂 @@UltraChenTV
No way is it Tekken 7. Hahaha. Tekken 7 is a really amazing game!
James either hates MVC2 or UMVC3.
Both of those games are PHENOMENAL.
@@UltraChenTV My next guess is Injustice/MK games.
Being cohesive is exactly the reason why SF6 is a bad game also, almost all the elements in the game contradict each other. They made World Tour as an MK Deception Konquest bootleg so it can be used as a tutorial for casuals but then not only you don't actually train with the masters but also the CPU just spams moves over and over.
And then it got also a legit tutorial mode in Fighting Ground to help casuals even more to get good, but then they add the placement qualifying matches for Ranked which really ruined the skill gap, and when they tried to fix it with the MR system, all they did was to make all the ranks other than Master and Legend to be meaningless because it's the MR that gives you a more accurate skill level of the player and it only starts at Master rank.
There are actually even more contradictory problems in SF6 but that should be enough to showcase this overall problem, SF6 is just one huge contradiction case.
What I hate about the game is that it is not available to be legally bought and buying physical copies is pointless because I don’t have previous gen consoles and my pc does not run discs