Star Trek: TNG Review - 5x5 Disaster | Reverse Angle
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
- It's always a nice touch when the episode title is so accurate.
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Moore, Ronald D. “Disaster.” Star Trek: The Next Generation, created by Gene Roddenberry, Season 5, Episode 5, Paramount Television, CBS, 1991.
Scott, Ridley, director. Alien. 20th Century Fox, 1979.
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Well, it wasn’t THAT bad! I actually loved how the characters were put in situations that tested their weaknesses… Picard had to learn how to deal with children, Worf learns sensitivity, Deanna learns how to lead and not just advise from afar.
Right! I really like this episode
Yeah, everyone was out of their element. That was the theme.
Also Geordi’s physical fitness is worse than Beverly’s since he runs out of breath quicker (and thus there’s some merit to Beverly’s suggestion to Geordi to do some singing/performing
Picard made sure the kids were tethered to him because if he fell he wanted to ensure he was taking some obnoxious kids with him.
"No, you know what nobody was a good actor in this one,"
I disagree, Rosalind Chao and Michael Dorn excelled at comedic timing while playing it straight start to finish, a quality that made them indispensable on ST:DS9.
Worf was A+ during this episode. He really got thrown out of his element and really shined as a result.
It's been stated other places before that the Federation loves to construct their control panels out of 'explodium'.
The canonical reason is that everything on the ship runs off of plasma usually drawn from the warp core. Explosions elsewhere on the ship are likely to require quickly isolating damaged sections which would then cause compression waves within the plasma, sometimes resulting in panels exploding.
I totally agree it's ridiculous how explody everything is in Star Trek. The real reason of course is they want to make scenes feel dramatic. But I agree it's silly how in the future they haven't designed a safer system.
The rocks inside the consoles help keep the ship upright though. Ballast.
@@kev3d Rock and no roll.
I liked "Space Poseidon", sue me. Here's another hot take: after bizarrely punishing Marina Sirtis for no clear reason four and a fraction years and counting, this episode, of all things, leads to one of the show's best character developments.
Yeah, I liked it. Sure, the technobabble doesn't make sense, but it never makes sense (weird how when the ship loses power they always still have gravity). But it's a neat little disaster episode that's relatable for anyone who has been in a flood, Earthquake, hurricane etc. All norms are out the window so the survivors have to take unusual risks to find solutions. It's a fun episode.
The radish experiment speaks to me. He should have won
Guys, I love this episode! Lol. Different strokes I guess.
Agreed, though it's a little disconcerting that I can't actually argue with the faults they mentioned. Yeah, the story WAS kind of all over the place, and, yeah, those kids were terrible actors, and, yeah, Troi was, as usual, given a shitty role in the plot, but I still love it.
I liked to see a bunch of characters out of their element.
Thr idea is there, but the execution is mind-bogglingly bad, and the writers sidestep known character traits for the sake of "the plot". Very surprising for this point in the show's run. Separate them on a planet where Troi can't think through the wall that Geordi can't see through because of the treknobabble field the alien captors threw up or something.
"Why did the gravity keep working if nothing had power?"
I'll do you one better. There's an episode of Voyager where the power goes out while people are on the holodeck, and instead of the hologram turning off, the lights just go out... in the hologram... the holographic lights TURN OFF, but the hologram itself remains.
Gravity plating has its own battery backup. At least on federation ships. Klingons don’t have batteries in their gravity plating
"sucked out into space"
It's BLOWN out. (you should have learned that from Naked Now)
This is my favorite TNG episode 😂
"Correction, blown out, sir"
Troy: "You mean it's like_________?"
O'Brien: "No, it's nothing like that."
C'mon, you MUST have laughed at that!
How. Is. She. An. Officer!?!!!!!!
COSMIC STRING xd
this episode is a lot of fun and entertaining and different, just because some of it doesn't make sense if you think about it a lot, does not ruin this episode for me. A lot of people enjoy this episode, but you have to be a fan of star trek to enjoy it
The face Data makes when Riker pulls the old ‘oops wrong hole’ gambit is absolute gold
Oh just you wait. Beverly eventually ropes nearly all of them in to performance art of some kind.
O'Brien should have been in charge. Remember TOS when Scotty was third in command? Just the idea of a counselor being in the chain of command is ridiculous.
she wasn't until just recently. but yeah...I would think that the Ship's Counselor would the equivalent of the head of HR. it would have it's own chain of command and be absolutely separate from that of the Bridge Officers. Like in our world. Like Toby and Michael from the Office.
and in previous episodes, it seemed like just that. She and Beverly seemed to be alone that they occupied unique positions where they, at once, answered to the Captain, but also were able to give him orders. I think Doctor Beverly even makes a comment at one point when she was trying to get Picard to get some sleep or a vacation or something. obey the order of the only person on this ship who can give you orders.
The power structure made sense, and then in the last few episodes, I think, Beverly suddenly became a Bridge Officer and convinced Deanna that she needed to as well.
O'Brien is a non-comissioned officer, which, I think, means he can have authority in his department over people of a lower rank, but Troi is apparently a commissioned officer with a higher rank than Ro. While command division ranks would almost certainly need to have some knowledge of how to command to progress, and engineering division ranks would need to know about how the ship works, neither is going to be the case for rank progression in the science/medical division. At least, not until ranking up to commander, which Troi hasn't.
The fact she’s a counsellor is irrelevant. As O’Brien states clearly in the episode, she is a Lieutenant Commander and the highest ranking person on the bridge. The events of this episode leads to her seeking a promotion to full Commander, so it’s good character development.
O'Brian is an NCO, he is even under RO who is an Ensign. in fact Ro could have pulled rank and told O'Brian to shut the fuck up
You dont get sucked out to space. You get blown out to space.
About 1/3 rd the way through. Best moment in this series. Literal dissent between the two hosts! What a good moment!
Also. I thought it was the same guy talking for a second there.
Disaster is one of my favorite episodes. Watched it with my daughter many times, at her request.
It’s so cute!
Always loved this one...still do
"Not knowing anythng but still in charge"... How is that shocking that's like 90% of corporate management
3:30 "..which means?" "The ship will explode." "...and that's bad, right?"
This is one of my favourite episodes lol
Oh there’s a lot to nitpick but I still LOVE this one! You guys are hilariously entertaining as always but we are a long way apart on this one! Wow!
The sad thing is they used that joke you left out at the end of the movie insurrection and it made even less sense and was somehow worse.
3:01 If Harry Kim was there maybe he would have been promoted above Ensign.
This episode was referenced in Deep Space Nine when Keiko was pregnant again, and when Worf hears about this, he was reaction was "Now?!" But the delivery won't be for 7 months, which gives Worf plenty of time to plan some time off to visit his human parents on Earth, far away from the delivery.
Liked this immediatly after the comment about the title being a description of the episode
The bit that annoyed me most was Deanna, you’re an empath! Of course you can tell if people are alive 🙄. But I liked Worf.
This was another case where Roddenberry and company demonstrate their utter incomprehension of military rank and organization. On the bridge the senior Line Officer, in this case Roe, would be in command. Being a psychiatrist, Troy would be part of the Start Fleet Medical Corp. Her curriculum at the academy would have been designed for medical specialists. Just as Picard wouldn't have been trained to do brain surgery, Troy wouldn't be trained to command the ship in a crisis and it's pretty clear she wasn't!
Gene would try passing it off by claiming it's not a military organization. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense but for some reason it did to him. He was already dead and long out of the show's affairs by this point; can't blame everything on the guy, even though his lack of attention to detail led to the mess.
In universe they make it sound like command is an option for any officer ...take a test and pass simulation and you can be a commander...I hope it is more complex in real life
I have to ask... Why would there be gravity within the turbolift tubes? The lifts would function way more efficiently with the zero gravity of outer space. Only the lift itself needs gravity plating.
I fondly remember this episode, but only because it's the first full episode of Star Trek I actually watched. Before, I didn't even give it a chance.
I believe the cosmic filament was blocking Trois telepathic ability.
Man i really liked this episode but I can't really argue with any of your points.
I'm now a very conflicted individual, thank you very much
I guess the writers wanted to give Troi a taste of authority, but they ended up doing the opposite. Troi herself admitted that the decision to divide the ship or not was a huge risk either way with no predictable outcomes. With no avenues for intuition or leadership, all she could do was flip a coin and hope for the best.
The song that Gerodie was singing, is from a Gilbert and Sullivan opera
I didn't think the episode was *that* bad. But given how close Troi and Riker were, she should have been able to sense that her Imazadi was still alive and send a message to him somehow.
Trioi is not a line officer that’s why. Line officers have operational command positions, as opposed to officers who normally exercise command authority only within a Navy Staff Corps
But to be fair, making the oldest kid a girl and making her second in command really meant something to me. There is so much " You're the man of the house" bullshit in so much media, where a literal child is told to take care of his much older sisters and his grown ass mother. It is so sexist and creepy, and such a toxic ideal for literal children who happen to be male. This made sense. She is older, wiser and should be second in command. But was just used to weird " you're male, so you're in charge. Protect the helpless, useless girl." And then the girl is like 10 years older but not told to protect anyone. Creepy. Sorry for the rant
I've never seen that in my life. Maybe that happened in old black and white movies that no one watches anymore, so people who are like 80 years old can remember that happening on TV. But I'm a guy in my mid 30s and I've never seen a young boy being told he was in charge of his much older sisters and mother. I really don't think that's a thing.
@@benjamin6194 The thing is, your experience does not invalidate anyone elses. Also, as a man, you tend not to notice or remember these things. As a woman it hits harder seeing that kind of sexism.
i have to say this: not "sucked out-", but "blown out into space."
How does so much sci-fi get this wrong!?!
I wonder who she could not know this after witnessing the warp core breach suffered by USS Yamato.
I think seeing something like that would be fairly memorable.
Jordie singing and special needs children... I know a Reading Rainbow reference when I see it...
They should have called this episode “Chekhov’s baby”.
This episodes made me think the writers let their children write the episode while they all got drunk in a bar in Hollywood
Look, I know California is a lot more casual about stuff, but there's not a bar in the country who's gonna let a bunch of writers bring their children to get drunk!
@@flowertrue I meant the Children wrote the episode, while the writers got drunk Lol. I’m not advocating underage drinking 😂😂
o brien saves the day. also algorithms for the algorithm god
Any episode that locks Picard in an elevator with children has done at least one thing right!
What I never understood is this episode in Season 5 predated Troi taking the bridge officer's exam and becoming an Officer of the Deck (OOD). Since Troi wasn't an OOD, who was the OOD on shift when Picard left the bridge? I suppose it was nobody, because who would think there would be a problem like this while Picard was giving the tour to the children.
That all having been said, based on this episode Troi would have had to had a good understanding of what she needed to actually do during the engineering part of the bridge officer's exam. She almost had to make the call to separate the saucer section, potentially killing many on the ship to save the ship.
Clearly Troi was never really command material. The fact that Riker had to give a very strong hint to her during her Bridge Officer's exam in order to pass it, just proved that she really wasn't bridge officer material. This is fine, one can be a really great counciler and mental health professional, without necessarily being command/leadership material.
Idk, I think the hindsight of season 7 and the episode Thine Own Self just proved she really wasn't command material, at least during her time serving on the Enterprise.
That being said, maybe she actually was great command material and the writers just fucked it up.
exploding consoles is par for the course in star trek... whats truly stupid is modern elevators have a simple "governor" mechanism (that does not need power to work) that can stop a falling elevator even if the ropes are cut. Also... why have artificial gravity at all in the turbolifft shafts?
Exploding consoles and stupid space elevators at least I can kind of see, but why are there loose rocks above the bridge? I mean, just a bit of evasive maneuvers or space turbulence and they'd just come tumbling down!
Gravity has local backup systems. What’s stupid is how the turbolift fell down the shaft. Artificial gravity is localized. So, how did it fall?
Great quips and great episode overview. So glad there are others who can't stand this epic escapade, on Staaaar Trek The Next Generation!
Along with conveniently forgetting Troi should be able to sense fear (or other inappropriate emotional states) all over the ship, Geordi asks where the hot is regarding the bulkhead wall that Crusher is fondling just to the left of him! Wait, what happened to his VISOR being able to pick up things that regular vision cannot? Ugh!
F for me. Plenty of season one isn't anywhere as bad, and some are, and at least that by season five these characters' traits are pretty solid. Or should be. It's not a F- only because Troi tells Ro she was right at the end.
Forgot to say - maybe I'm a tad harsh. Maybe F+ because it's existence led to your fantastic review of it and that's worth it. 😊
Putting Troi in charge was completely illogical. She has rank, but it's irrelevant in this emergency situation. How can you put someone in charge who doesn't know what a containment breach is? *I* knew what it was, FFS. If there was an emergency in sick bay and Dr Crusher was dead, and the only person in there was Nurse Ogawa, Geordi and Ensign Cannon-Fodder, and dozens of casualties were coming in, you wouldn't put Geordi in charge of triage, would you?
Why wouldn't the Enterprise have environmental suits in the cargo bay?
The scenes with Worf and Keijo are hilarious.
I actually think this episode is okay, and not that bad. C-.
The better question is: How does she have that rank without knowing a damned thing about command? I can maybe forgive her having a lower level of technical skill compared to La Forge or O'Brien ... but it beggars belief that Star Fleet would promote someone to lcdr with *zero* command qualifications.
(I'm going to pretend that we don't yet know that that travesty of an episode is coming when she is promoted to cmdr.)
Anyone else here thanks to that 90s fanfiction Marissa Picard?
“I was beaten by a bunch of kids!”
i mean as a kid i loved this episode. Come to think of it I loved any episode where the ship was in danger of blowing up... im weird i guess.
and the biggest plot hole in the whole episode.
Troi and Riker were in a relationship, Troi could have easily felt that Riker was still alive becauseshe would know how he "feels" and that would stand out among the other crew. and it's common in canon that betazoid people can telepathically communicate with other races, they can send their thoughts but can't receive them from non telepathic races. 99.9% of the time they don't because they consider it impolite to do so. But in this situation all Troi had to do was sense Riker was alive and talk to him in his mind "Commander Riker you need to get to engineering and stabilize the warp field."
You guys - this episode has more redeeming qualities than many…
Lol! Yes, this one was bad...D-...I don't know if F+ is a thing/grade...but I feel you both on this one.
This one I didn't mind, I think there are at least 20 episodes up to this point that were much worse. Next week, is the "The Game", in my view, the single most stupidest piece of Star Trek in the history of this franchise, I am gonna be very curious how you regard that episode.
I agree that there are far worse episodes.
That episode is basically "Wesley brings social media to the enterprise"... and bang a 20-something Ashley Judd
This was a good episode! It's not Troi's fault that quantum filaments block her empathic powers for a few hours (I guess). The science didn't make sense, but I'm a Space 1999 fan, so I wouldn't let bad science stop me from enjoying otherwise good sci-fi.
Pretty sure that air blocks her empathic powers. Too bad she wasn't blown out of the cargo bay with those big yellow barrels of science-y whateveritwas.
I liked it a little more than you guys did, but I will say that whenever I see this episode, I notice that Worf is in 10-Forward, and Guinan is nowhere to be seen. You would think if she runs 10-Forward, she would be there and able to help Worf deliver Keikos baby. It could have been a nice part to have Guinan have training as a midwife, and therefore she can arrive to help Worf out.
It is also disappointing that Guinan is not there to help the others out. And the fact, too, is that there are others there who did not look hurt who could have helped Worf out with Keiko.
I give it about a C.
So they had a material
In the cargo bay that was unstable and they got rid of it by dumping it in space? Why didn’t they do that before the episode started?
The material became unstable due to the radiation from the plasma fire. It wasn't unstable before the accident.
5:51 I like how this chick in yellow is just sitting there with blood pouring out of her skull and she just looks incredibly bored xD
This episode reminded me of the OG Battlestar Galactica episode where a cylon raider ship crashed into the launch bay and half the cast were trapped in burning sections of the ship, and they did silly things like have the robot dog (played by a chimp in a costume) climb through the ventilation shafts to save the day. I still think BG did it better than TNG.
You know I can't disagree with you more concerning this episode, I live in New York just north of New York City in the county of Westchester, I've been a Star Trek fan since the first episode aired in 1966 on NBC, when this episode aired Gene Roddenberry had just passed away and before this episode began they showed a printed statement about jeans passing and the dates of his birth and of his death then the episode aired, I wonder if you took note of the final scene with Picard on the bridge walking into his ready room after winking at the Young Girl, and if you drew any meaning from it, that was Gene Roddenberry in the person of Captain Picard stepping permanently off the bridge and handing the reins over to Rick Berman and the next generation in the form of those kids and Commander Ryker, followed by the image of the Enterprise receding into the deep background of space with the music playing the representation of Gene having built something that was so powerful that even the death of its creator would never stop that it would go on forever and it has, I drew great meaning from that sequence in the image of the enterprise continuing on into the distance The structure created and built by Gene Roddenberry flying on unstoppable even after the death of its creator, look at that ending sequence again, I believe you owe it a reevaluation, with this perspective taken into a new account of events.
I would’ve given this one a C or C-, it’s not Shades of Gray/Code of Honor levels of bad
Shades of Grey? Never heard of it. Did. Not. Happen.
It's frustrating to me how generic so many of ST's episode titles are. "Disaster" is a great example. Disasters happen in pretty much every episode. Based on the name, I'd never guess it was the "Picard gets stuck in an elevator" episode.
Other TNG episodes with similarly non-descriptive titles: "Conundrum", "Clues", "Lessons", "Ethics".
3:55 this is exactly how i feel, i liked this one xD
The joke that when Picard says number one both Riker and the little. Blonde girl both answered?
Pink Ranger 😆
How can you like klingon eps over this?
So whose actual baby was it? Was Rosalind actually pregnant and they just took the shot from after?
Looks like they found a couple of twins (unrelated to Rosalind Chao) who were nearly two months old when this episode was shot.
im enjoying your videos but this is the one where i disagree with you most. a or a- from me. good new interactions, tense, placing alomst every character out of their comfort zones, and a reminder it is a fragile ship in an inhospitable enviroment like a submarine. can't think of an episode where the screentime is so evenly distributed. i don't overconcern myself with the technobabble, i just 'go' with the story and really liked this one, but respect your opinions.
Noooo 😂 This is one of my favorites, hahahaha 💀
The episode gave us this review at least. :P ♥
Lightweight my favorite episode because of all the technobabble ...problem solving using in universe logic
I loved this episode -- if only because it revealed that my disappointment in and hatred towards Troi has not been misplaced. She is utterly useless, unqualified, and annoying.
Spoiler for Intentionally let out joke....
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"You have the bridge Number One." ["YES SIR" from two voices]
Two nerds with MS headsets in dad's laptop are in a cardboard box that says GRLS KEEPP OUT
But I liked that final joke it was nice
I liked this episode. 😆
This wasn't that bad an episode... I enjoyed it when it aired. Admittedly, it isn't a great episode either, but a solid D+
Excellent
Solid C for me.
what was the joke?
Picard addresses "Number One", and Riker and Ranger both answer, and it's very cute if you aren't dead inside like these goobers. (j/k)
@@Doomclown oh yeah. I don't think that was bad either. it was very cute.
Is this your lowest rated episode?
This episode was in fact a disaster😂
You know, I can never decided if you guys are like doing a comedy bit or not. Are you nit-picking and overreacting to minor things, while not noticing what people liked about the shows on purpose? Is that like a deliberate joke? Or do you just keep focusing obsessively on certain details and missing all the good parts that other people can easily spot?
I thought it was a cute episode, not an F to me. We've seen waaaaayyy worse.
You’re a little too caught up in the logic and please don’t quote tuvok
Oh, God! This episode is painful to watch _because_ of the child actors. I felt so bad for Patric Stewart, the actor, in this episode because of those kids.
Not sure that TNG is aimed at people like you
Maybe go watch something else
Um, I'm pretty sure that TNG is precisely aimed at people who are nerdy, who overthink things, who demand internal consistency, and who hate Troi.