To add to the additional problem that no one is talking about is: No, the infrastructure for the lithium batteries is not there. The breakdown for lithium is very complex and highly toxic to humans and the environment. Great video!
When this video started, I was wondering where we might go with this. Then as you started to speak OBJECTIVELY about EV, I really settled in and enjoyed it. You did one of the better jobs talking about this topic. I love how you pushed out the noise from the far left and far right and focused on practicality. Wonderful. I own and EV, and 2 ICE cars, one of which is a 1967 Impala with a 550hp SBC 427. So I'm obviously not an anti-oil, environmentalist. Two reasons why I bought the EV- Performance (0-60 in 4s) and gas was near $5.00/gallon at the time. I'm a year into EV ownership and so far, no regrets. Our spicy Volvo gets about 225miles on a full charge, but we've only charged in public 2 times in a year. One time I didn't need the juice, I just wanted to EV parking spot since it was in a prime location. I have a 50a outlet in my garage that I plug the car into every few days. We use it as our primary transportation for hauling the kids around. We put almost 16k miles on it in the first year. Our electric bill has gone up by maybe $30/month. So that's 16k miles, with 99% charging at home. Not bad at all. All of this said, I would NEVER own an EV truck. EV at this stage is NOT ready for hauling. Also, if you're a person who has to drive on long trips, EV might not be for you. I'm in a colder climate here in PA. Yes, cold impacts range, but there are precondition features that you can use that can get the batteries up to temp before you leave so that your range isn't negatively impacted. In short, EVs are NOT for everyone. No elected official should be FORCING people to buy them. States that have put these mandates in will have to walk them back because the supply chain infastructure simply isn't there to build EVs at the rate needed to meet those mandates. We simply don't have the natural resources required to hit the numbers, so the states will have to walk those mandates back. Everyone should take a deep breath on that. No one is coming for your gas cars.
I feel the same way. A few things to consider. Battery life is supposed to be 8-10 yrs. Some may last that long or longer. But I keep seeing batteries with this chemistry needing replaced at 6-7 yrs. So if you take that into account considering 500,000 tons of earth has to removed to get the materials for 1 average range(300-350 mile) battery. And that the time span for a new EV to start beating the CO2 output of average new car is 9-10 yrs. That extra $8000-12,000 battery means that EV's are Not better for the environment all totaled. Which is still kind of relative due to so many variables in the calculations used to figure those Total outcomes. We are not ready! More research on the next generation of batteries and how to efficiently store wind and solar energy as well as the ability to send that energy longer distances. This is where they should be focused.
Something else noone else mentions is what it costs in energy and factory emissions to build as well as mining the very expensive elements like lithium etc
The environment is the least of our worries. I frankly do not care what happens 20 years from now, even though I know, NOTHING is going to happen, so we need to focus on the things destroying us today, meaning, our ability to make a living and be safe, with good education for kids. I agree with most everything you said, save for still buying an EV. Spark, fuel, air and compression all day baby!! As always, thanks for the video, always enjoy your content, and truth be told, these are things that need to be spoken about in every circle, political in some ways, which is why we tend to shy away from them, but word needs to be spoken so folks understand, and get more insight in lieu of just friends or mainstream news. Good content.
Battery recycling is already capturing 97% of nickel manganese and cobalt etc from run out batteries… like lead acid batteries we’ve been recycling at about 98%, we aren’t as screwed from the mining long term as it looks if you assume zero recapture of those raw elements guys. No one is gonna let such valuable battery elements go to landfills.. much more profitable that mining and so far all done domestically making another profitable US business sector. But other than that all agreed! Very therapeutic to hear someone saying so much about it that I agree with from beginning to end.
Arizona must be set up a lot different for EV vehicles. Here in Washington state there are charging stations everywhere. At every grocery store, shopping center, coffee shop, restaurant, schools and parks etc. I'm no fan of EV. I'll drive my diesel pickup into the ground and then buy another. I was just surprised to hear people waiting 12 hours to charge when I see so many empty charging stations here.
It also depends on the climate where you live. I live in Michigan and the winters can be brutal. I just can’t trust an ev if stuck in traffic in the winter.
The nice thing about EVs is that they perform better when they aren't moving. If you're stuck in traffic your batteries last for days. This is why there are a lot of cases in the east where people stuck on highways due to blizzards faired better in EVs.
Not to mention, the Ev is probably being charged off of natural gas or coal at the charging station. But you would have to admit , 400 hp as soon as you hit the pedal is pretty bad ass !!!!!!
Let’s not forget the fact of fuel taxes funding road building/maintenance. They will need to impose mileage/ use taxes on EV’S AS THEY FORCE MORE ICE VEHICLES OUT OF PRODUCTION. Won’t that be cool when you look at your electric bill with a 50% surcharge for road use/ maintenance,whether you drive an ev or not.
The cost of replacing an EV battery is unreal - An average EV battery - low end 11-14 thousand and get an extended range battery is 23-24 thousand. It's like a new car just to replace your battery.
You hit the nail on the head - the infrastructure in the US is nowhere near close enough to support an increase in the use is EV. The engineers who oversee roads, bridges, and the like will tell you as well that even our road/travel systems in the US are woefully behind. I also wonder what a used car EV market would be like and how the average consumer would navigate such a thing.
Here in Minnesota EVs suck in winter. I know several people who own them and don't drive them when we get below 10° because they won't take a charge and they discharge much faster in the cold. Reliability is horrible and parts and service almost non existent. One of my customers owned a VW Ev for 18 months. Drove it only 3500 miles in that amount of time because it was mostly non functional. He finally was able to force the dealership to take it back. Sweden has banned them already because they don't have enough electricity. A buddy works for a German company, they are saying Germany and the rest of Europe are planning to ban them by the end of this year. As far as emissions, did you take into consideration the emissions created by producing electricity to charge them? Just curious. We burn coal and natural gas to produce steam to drive the generators. Thanks for doing the research and making this video. You are spot on.
"People who buy EVs support child slavery/labor" Right.. its just not EVs, cellphone and laptop batteries have cobalt aswell. The mines are not just for ev batteries. So we are all kinda guilty of this. However, Kongo has rules for child labor and so on… but it seems they dont give much of an f… tbh. There is also a very different culture and how human lives are viewed at theese places. Not saying its right, but it is what it is.
100%. If you're watching that big game on the flatscreen, you're supporting child slave labor. If you're using a cell phone, computer, microwave - you're supporting child slave labor. If you're using electricity at home, your grid is likely powered by gas turbines that are made with child slave labor. No one likes slave labor, but not buying EVs because if it doesn't give you the moral high ground.
I think EV Batteries might get better with time, but they certainly aren't going to get 100x better - which is what it would take to make any EV suitable for basic towing. I haven't seen many EVs on the road that are more than 5 years old - because the problem is if they get in the most minor of accidents , then they have to replace the battery as they don't know if there is an internal short in it that may cause the whole car to burn down - and at that point it's just cheaper to write them off. I would drive one if I only had say 10 - 30 miles to commute every day, but I am also from the generation of modesty, and even if I had the money there's no way I would buy a $100K Truck for example, I'm not out to impress anyone, and I would rather spend that money to go travel the world or build my dream house than throw it in the ground for depreciation.
Most of the electricity in the US is produced using fossil fuels like coal, natural gas, and diesel. Therefore, electric cars produce nearly as much pollutants that gas cars produce. Unless a person has a dedicated solar powered system and they only need to drive the electric car at night, the "coal powered" electric car is not environmentally friendly at all. Also, thank you for pointing out the humanitarian disaster that battery production causes.
Many owners of e cars, will make big eyes when in a few years the battery must be replaced. Depending on how expensive the car was when new, in some cases it will be a total economic loss. Now, if you include the balance sheet in manufacturing, these vehicles are not sustainable. To get to the point of zero as far as the CO2 balance is concerned, I can drive neutrally for many years with a modern diesel engine.
EV cars are only about control. 99% of people who depend on a car do not have a garage they park in. If you aren't wealthy enough to have a single family home to park your car in where are you going to charge it every night? 300' of extension cord out of your apartment window? Going EV means most people who today drive a car will have no transportation tomorrow.
I think EV's are like most everything else, they have their place, I could see them being beneficial for something like a local delivery service or mail trucks but running long distance I can't see that being beneficial right now..
I'm with you man, I'm not anti-EV I just don't live in a place where they are viable. My friend traded in his Tesla for a KIA gasser because of our harsh winters and distance between towns out here in Idaho. Running the Heater (defroster), the wipers, the stereo while going down the road cut the range of that Tesla down to In-Town-Short-Jont-Only driving. Bad thing is.... Rodney already paid to up the Electrical Service in his garage for the Home Charger, and that was Super Expensive.... but now he has enough electricity in his garage to run anything he wants out there.
The other problem is the Electric Grid just like our border will not be able to keep up the amount of infrastructure we need. According a good friend of mine who is an engineer actually involved in working on this, he said there is no way we can hit the government numbers. We in KC were solicited to cut back on using electricity at peak time of 4pm to 8pm and you get a discount. They know that if by 2030 if Dad comes home and plugs in the car..We won't have the capacity. They want our homes to be no gas as well! Solar and Windmills will not cut it either!
I have a '70 F250 for loads and hauling. I have a Tesla Model 3 for around the town. It isn't one or the other, its both. For road trips, my relatives have road-tripped a Tesla all over the US. They need to have bathroom breaks every 4 hours anyway, so charge while you stretch. I agree that this tech is not ready for real worker truck use. It is really ready for sedan and short haul truck use.
There aren't going to be any new Nuclear plants the US and the world has turned its back on this type of power. there haven't been any new license applications for new Nuke plants in the United States since the 3-mile island melt down and that was in the 70's the entire world stopped building Nuke plants after Chernobyl exploded and melted down in Ukraine in 1986 no Nation has moved on this type of plant except Iran and we know what there motives are
@@Myvintageiron7512 I know and it’s just sad because those incidents were avoidable and in reality nuclear is much more efficient and safer when done correctly.
Your analysis makes sense. I laugh when people say that electrics have no carbon footprint. It's like you say, electrics have less environmental impact, but only over the very long term. I wouldn't be "caught dead in a ditch" driving one of those "snot box" teslas.
Was over at the ford dealership and they've got a EV F150 I think the price tag was at $85.000 I live in the high desert and see teslas all over now the mustangs ev are showing up but for traveling I'll stuck with my gas 150 can't see waiting if you're right about charge time wow .
Agree 100% the gas powered F150 is a much better choice you can pull your 6000 LB trailer with the gas 1/2-ton Ford pickup anywhere with ease and it will last you a good 20 years or more if you take care of it I doubt the Lightning battery lasts that long even if it could tow.
Right. No one has you by the balls on gas cars, def not the oil companies. You have your own oil well and refinery right? It's good to be self reliant. It's not like you can put magic beans on your roof and power a car with it. Good thinking.
My only sticking point on the EV goes back to the charging. without 0 carbon power generation powering the charging station the impact is an immeasurable gray area. Until that can be assured clean imo the carbon argument is irrelevant.
EVs are not pushed because they're ecological on their own, but because only a very limited number of them can be produced because there's not much necessary metals availalble. This means in a few years they will be only leased for battery recycling, and that means they will never leave Europe, US and a few other advanced countries. That is the real goal to stop Africa, Southern Asia and South America from motorisng. 300 to 500 million cars is sustainable whatever type of engine. But keeping internal combustion cars alive would mean that number eventually going into billions. And the problem is not even the emissions but the fact that sources of oil would be drained in no time, and cars would have to use biofuel. While carbon-neutral, production of biofuel would mean further monocultures and prices of food literally skyrocketing, and in many places food being hardly availalble at all. That would cause migration from poor to rich countries grow many times beyond current, already catastrophic prognoses, and thus to Wolrd War III and the greatest genocide in history of all human kind, many times bigger than doings of Adolf, Stalin and Mao combined. That is the real reason why EVs so pushed. It doesn't matter if they're ecological or not. What matters is that there will never be too many of them.
But don't ignore..... -electricity likely comes from burning coal.... Polution -battery system only lasts limited time before expensive replacement which causes..... Pollution -what to do soon with all these batteries that are soon to be no good and non-recyclable....... Pollution Need to move to hydrogen. Some do exist!
I have used rechargeable batteries, the AA, AAA, C, D, etc. They claimed hundreds of charges, but many go bad after 5 or 10 charges. The AA and AAA do better, but the C & D are garbage.. Most of us don't have incomes to buy expensive electric vehicles!!! I don't see EVs being better for the environment; look at what the lithium mining does to indigenous people! Same for other rare earth minerals used in 'smart' phones that are being used to control you! Then there is the problem of disposing of batteries. CO is not such a big problem, we have plants to convert it. The powers that be want us to live in apartments and take a transit system to whatever stores are nearby. No vehicle ownership, no gardens.
You've covered about all I've done some research on. Something I've wondered about is what do you do if you run out of power on the road, you can't can't just bring a can of electricity. How much does it cost to modify your home service. From what I understand, the old solar panels and wind turbines go into the land fill for the most part. I live in the country and work construction, not uncommon to drive 4 hours a day. Electric couldn't be more ridiculous.
I would almost be interested in a lightning pro if the charge time and charging infrastructure improved, the range extended or both. I have a one ton big block dually when it’s pulling time. But I don’t see them getting them to where I would pull the trigger in my lifetime. Prices are horribly inflated on everything new and used these days. Just picked up a 21 f150 with the coyote recently. I never would have believed I would ever spend that much on a truck. Just couldn’t keep up with repairs on my old fleet fast enough to work a 60+ hour job at the same time.
While zero emission standards sounds like a good idea, those government mandates are killing the auto industry and hurting it's consumers. I keep my cars an average of 18 to 20 years while not putting many miles on it. Battery life in years and the risk of an obsolete battery replacement keeps me away from them. Otherwise I would buy one provided the price drops. Adding EV's to the market isn't a bad idea. Totally replacing combustion cars with electric is insane.
The cobalt mined by slave labor is used in 80% of our common electronics. Cells phones, flat screen TV, etc. It's also used in gas turbines that power parts of our electric grid today. So while I can understand ones reluctance to not buy products that make those slave owners more profitable, the reality is we've been doing that for decades. Additionally, there isn't enough Cobalt to supply this industry, that's why brands like Tesla, VW and others are evolving their battery tech to move away from lithium ion.
So then the new up coming Tesla semi truck wont really work? They talk about something called regeneration where the drive train when decelerating is hooked up to charge the battery in fact they say that it works like the J brake in diesel engines l got this info from a Jay Lenos garage episode
Yes I agree with you with the infrastructure for electric vehicles.. and you live in a rural area and you have to drive 100 mile just to recharge station and then going home and there's no point going to charge it because by time you get home half charge again..
Nail on the head video. They need to make all the batteries universal and just exchange them like propane tanks, maybe have a heavier battery for commercial applications once they figure that side of things out.
That is a subject that really does not have much hard data but it is a big issue I agree we won't know the effects for many years most often all the plans that Government comes up with are very costly and ends up hurting people
For me, as a person of moderate income, the basic problem I have is affordability. Until they become affordable to the common person, I have no interest in them. Also, I really wonder how well they will ever adapt to the used car market. Who wants a car where you're spending between $4k to $20k to replace batteries? How many people have that kind of money sitting around for a repair/maintenance?? Of course, you never hear about this stuff....as the ev market is simply about making money from those who can afford it. There is no real concern about the problems that will limit who can actually own these things. When I hear that only evs will be manufactured after 2030 or 2035, I simply call bullshit. And, to add, I was a real fan of evs...and the independence available with solar power....but then reality hit.
I can't agree with you more the politicians and the media talks about EV's as if anyone can make a decision and just go out and buy one 70K 80K 100K there are those who can afford this however there are far more who can't you tell a working man with a family that this is a good idea, and he should just go buy one. when he is struggling to buy food each week his Ford F150 gas or Diesel pickup is 15 years old and it was tough to come up with the 15 to 20 K he needed to buy that, now politicians are looking at him with a straight face and tell him you need to go with an EV like he can just pull 80K out of his butt c'mon its just ridicules
Agree, also the idea that EV's are being promoted as Zero Emissions is just wrong. By the way, how does a person recharge an EV when they have a trailer?
Very good analysis! Electric is the future in vehicles. However, as you point out, there is no infrastructure. Further, I don’t think Lithium is dense enough or cheap enough to do much beyond local trips. Another generation or two needs to come before batteries become viable. I also think diesel is the best for trucks and will be for a long time. You are wrong on global warming. The phenomenon has been tracked for over 100 years. The steep curve of CO2 release is trapping heat and frying the planet. A further issue for electric vehicles is that it will make the electric utilities the mother of all monopolies. What happens then? Electricity will be $5 a kWh….
We will agree to disagree on Global warming. one thing is for sure EV's won't solve the problem even if every Gas-powered car stopped today, it would not stop what China and Russia are doing it would make a dent but not enough of one and it would cripple the world's economy.
@@Myvintageiron7512 I too am afraid we we’ve already pushed climate beyond salvation, at least in the next century or so. I agree we need gas and diesel for some time yet. We have solar collectors on our house that offset 60% of our electric bill. We put them in as a retirement strategy, to blunt the effect of future electric $ increases. I monitor our daily collection. During the Covid lock down our electric take jumped 15-20%. I discussed it with a local meteorologist and he confirmed the grounding of airlines was the likely cause. He said the same thing was noticed right after 9/11. I was shocked such a small thing has such big effects. I am also mystified why electric cars, far simpler than fuel burning ones, cost so much.
I feel EV's will never beat the convenience of pulling in and filling up the tank in ten minutes for a relaiable 300+ miles and back on the road with no shortage of gas stations should you run out of gas. Electric cars are specific circumstance SHORT TRIP MACHINES and electric trucks will NEVER out work a gas engine truck.
Good video 👍. My thoughts are the same. In my country Norway, the market share for new EV has been 70-80% last years because of NO tax on the new cars (Normally we have extremly high tax for buy a new car here.. 25% VAT and sometimes up to 100% registration tax!). This year government slowly start to increase the EV tax and sales going down...
Many states have seasonal brown outs because the power grid infrastructure is stretched as it is...but hey, lets all plug our cars into it and see what happens. Also, what if you live in the land of fruits and nuts and there's a wildfire, but PG&E (as they normally do) cuts power in your area for 'safety'? Not enough charge left in your smugmobile to get out? Oh well. There's a good chance the battery setup in someone's EeeVee could start the fire in the first place...the fire could start in your own garage-lol.
Amen on the 70's Chevelle - lol As an electrician there are 2 infrastructures that are needed: 1 - the infrastructure for the electric vehicles themselves at stores, gas stations, etc (with a 3 hour coffee shop) 2 - then there is the current electric grid which is unable to handle the system if everyone were to get an electric vehicle Full reality on what the government is trying to push is not there and would take decades. Finally, what kind of power is Elon Musk, Ford, Chevy , etc using at their plants to build these things? What?? - Fossil fuel electricity - that's a sin isn't it?
People with money will have two cars. An EV for around town and a gas car or truck for trips. You, like me, live in Phoenix so we are familiar with Sun City where people get around perfectly well in golf carts. What's an EV other than a big golf cart. You're not going back and fort to LA without hitting a SuperCharger or two. But then how often do you go to LA?
Yah, your right across the board. With that being said, my daily driver is a 2018 Prius and I paid $24K for it new. 55+ mpg. I still drive my 1996 Camaro too. :-)
Whoever says they won't have one is wrong. They either will because internal combustion engines are no longer made, or they'll be old and get driven around by one that drives itself. Same difference.
@@Myvintageiron7512 Happening now, Tesla is largest car company and has all the rest pretty well beat. And volkswagen said they won't even make an IC car by 2025
Im from Permian Basin. I see it this way. There's no way in hell that all of the energy independent states can keep supplying fossil fuels to all the energy dependent states. Those States are going to have to find other energy source soon or cut back on their energy. Texas obligations are to supply itself, the military bases and airports. Some how or another we began supplying consumers. We can't continue that.
Right on ! The EV prices will never be reasonable.The outer shell of the vehicle may look the same of a gas version but its structure is way different.From design to have a battery underneath to extremely more electronics plus the weight.All dealers are out to make $$$ even if the Government gives them incentives to build Electric they will not lower the purchase price.
If I had an extra $80,000 that didn't have someplace else to go, and needed a car to just run around town with maybe short trips and back home, I may be interested. I'd not travel and spend time at a crowded charging station, waiting mmy turn to spend an hour or two charging enough to make the next charging station.
socker moms who want to drive around town with the feel of a big truck, it will never tow a trailer and never go off road. it might haul some supplies from home depo for projects but it's like you said if I spend 70K on a truck that thing better sing and dance at that price it should be outperforming everything else buy a long shot, but sadly, it's actually worthless in that area so who would buy one people who don't think things through very well the same people will buy time shares.
@@Myvintageiron7512 Very good point. It is more of a status symbol. I don't think like that so I have trouble coming to that conclusion. Me: Truck...must haul stuff...must tow stuff. I suppose that's what grinds my gears about the price of modern trucks because all the princesses have to have the heated/cooled seats and the latte dispenser. lol. What I wouldn't give to have a full size truck with a diesel and a manual...even used those are 30k with 500k miles.
Unless it's a toyota tacoma they seem to never lose there value. And all EV battery are well over $10000 to replace. And no one ever thinks about what is happening to these batteries when the go bad.
Great explanation,and arguments,in europe the same ,and the green people even think they have to make trucks who traveling lot,s of miles make electric,they totaly crazy
Now using that analogy on a Electric freight truck pulling tons in weight interstate in a given timeframe it won't happen. EV are only good for short town trips that's it.
Also a lot of industries like what I did water well drilling and pump installing. Everything pretty much uses PTO where engines got to run or one of our drill rigs literally used same engine as D8 Cat Dozer on back to just run drilling functions and had another one under hood to drive it down the road weighing 95k pounds. But any truck in any industry that has a boom meaning power line trucks etc any of that uses a PTO as well.
To add to the additional problem that no one is talking about is: No, the infrastructure for the lithium batteries is not there. The breakdown for lithium is very complex and highly toxic to humans and the environment. Great video!
When this video started, I was wondering where we might go with this. Then as you started to speak OBJECTIVELY about EV, I really settled in and enjoyed it. You did one of the better jobs talking about this topic. I love how you pushed out the noise from the far left and far right and focused on practicality. Wonderful. I own and EV, and 2 ICE cars, one of which is a 1967 Impala with a 550hp SBC 427. So I'm obviously not an anti-oil, environmentalist. Two reasons why I bought the EV- Performance (0-60 in 4s) and gas was near $5.00/gallon at the time. I'm a year into EV ownership and so far, no regrets. Our spicy Volvo gets about 225miles on a full charge, but we've only charged in public 2 times in a year. One time I didn't need the juice, I just wanted to EV parking spot since it was in a prime location. I have a 50a outlet in my garage that I plug the car into every few days. We use it as our primary transportation for hauling the kids around. We put almost 16k miles on it in the first year. Our electric bill has gone up by maybe $30/month. So that's 16k miles, with 99% charging at home. Not bad at all. All of this said, I would NEVER own an EV truck. EV at this stage is NOT ready for hauling. Also, if you're a person who has to drive on long trips, EV might not be for you. I'm in a colder climate here in PA. Yes, cold impacts range, but there are precondition features that you can use that can get the batteries up to temp before you leave so that your range isn't negatively impacted. In short, EVs are NOT for everyone. No elected official should be FORCING people to buy them. States that have put these mandates in will have to walk them back because the supply chain infastructure simply isn't there to build EVs at the rate needed to meet those mandates. We simply don't have the natural resources required to hit the numbers, so the states will have to walk those mandates back. Everyone should take a deep breath on that. No one is coming for your gas cars.
"I'd rather spend ninety grand on a big block Chevelle than buy any new car on the market" -Best quote I've ever heard in my life!
Yeah that’s what I’m talking about 🎉🎉🎉❤❤
a fool and his money lol
Right on brother. I'm banking on hydrogen as an on board fuel to complete development. Clean as.
I’ll stick with my 68 Camaro and 68-86 Chevy trucks with small blocks 😂
Big block but thats where im different nothing sounds like a 460
I feel the same way. A few things to consider. Battery life is supposed to be 8-10 yrs. Some may last that long or longer. But I keep seeing batteries with this chemistry needing replaced at 6-7 yrs. So if you take that into account considering 500,000 tons of earth has to removed to get the materials for 1 average range(300-350 mile) battery. And that the time span for a new EV to start beating the CO2 output of average new car is 9-10 yrs. That extra $8000-12,000 battery means that EV's are Not better for the environment all totaled. Which is still kind of relative due to so many variables in the calculations used to figure those Total outcomes.
We are not ready! More research on the next generation of batteries and how to efficiently store wind and solar energy as well as the ability to send that energy longer distances. This is where they should be focused.
Something else noone else mentions is what it costs in energy and factory emissions to build as well as mining the very expensive elements like lithium etc
Those processes were taken into account when counting CO2 output
The environment is the least of our worries. I frankly do not care what happens 20 years from now, even though I know, NOTHING is going to happen, so we need to focus on the things destroying us today, meaning, our ability to make a living and be safe, with good education for kids. I agree with most everything you said, save for still buying an EV. Spark, fuel, air and compression all day baby!! As always, thanks for the video, always enjoy your content, and truth be told, these are things that need to be spoken about in every circle, political in some ways, which is why we tend to shy away from them, but word needs to be spoken so folks understand, and get more insight in lieu of just friends or mainstream news. Good content.
Battery recycling is already capturing 97% of nickel manganese and cobalt etc from run out batteries… like lead acid batteries we’ve been recycling at about 98%, we aren’t as screwed from the mining long term as it looks if you assume zero recapture of those raw elements guys. No one is gonna let such valuable battery elements go to landfills.. much more profitable that mining and so far all done domestically making another profitable US business sector. But other than that all agreed! Very therapeutic to hear someone saying so much about it that I agree with from beginning to end.
Arizona must be set up a lot different for EV vehicles. Here in Washington state there are charging stations everywhere. At every grocery store, shopping center, coffee shop, restaurant, schools and parks etc. I'm no fan of EV. I'll drive my diesel pickup into the ground and then buy another. I was just surprised to hear people waiting 12 hours to charge when I see so many empty charging stations here.
"empty charging stations" - ROFL Hmmm... wonder why? lol
Total agreement. The price for ev’s need to be the same as gas cars. A Tesla is like paying for all the gas up front.
Paying later too for a new battery!
It also depends on the climate where you live. I live in Michigan and the winters can be brutal. I just can’t trust an ev if stuck in traffic in the winter.
The nice thing about EVs is that they perform better when they aren't moving. If you're stuck in traffic your batteries last for days. This is why there are a lot of cases in the east where people stuck on highways due to blizzards faired better in EVs.
Great thanks to you for telling everybody about the reality of EVs!
You bet!
You definitely nailed it 👍!!
Not to mention, the Ev is probably being charged off of natural gas or coal at the charging station. But you would have to admit , 400 hp as soon as you hit the pedal is pretty bad ass !!!!!!
Oh yeah. I have 204hp per axle (front and back). You hit that skinny pedal and the torque is INSTANT!
Let’s not forget the fact of fuel taxes funding road building/maintenance. They will need to impose mileage/ use taxes on EV’S AS THEY FORCE MORE ICE VEHICLES OUT OF PRODUCTION. Won’t that be cool when you look at your electric bill with a 50% surcharge for road use/ maintenance,whether you drive an ev or not.
If we all went back to horses, the politicians would say the horse farts are killing the environment!
Good job. Enjoyed the video...
The cost of replacing an EV battery is unreal - An average EV battery - low end 11-14 thousand and get an extended range battery is 23-24 thousand. It's like a new car just to replace your battery.
You hit the nail on the head - the infrastructure in the US is nowhere near close enough to support an increase in the use is EV. The engineers who oversee roads, bridges, and the like will tell you as well that even our road/travel systems in the US are woefully behind. I also wonder what a used car EV market would be like and how the average consumer would navigate such a thing.
I am what is commonly known in some circles as first.
Here in Minnesota EVs suck in winter. I know several people who own them and don't drive them when we get below 10° because they won't take a charge and they discharge much faster in the cold. Reliability is horrible and parts and service almost non existent. One of my customers owned a VW Ev for 18 months. Drove it only 3500 miles in that amount of time because it was mostly non functional. He finally was able to force the dealership to take it back. Sweden has banned them already because they don't have enough electricity. A buddy works for a German company, they are saying Germany and the rest of Europe are planning to ban them by the end of this year. As far as emissions, did you take into consideration the emissions created by producing electricity to charge them? Just curious. We burn coal and natural gas to produce steam to drive the generators. Thanks for doing the research and making this video. You are spot on.
Great review! 👍 100% agreed
The EV is not cleaner long term if you have to quit traveling and call someone to bring the Cummings
Couldn't agree more. Just need that car from Back to the Future, it runs on the stuff these clowns are telling the world, Garbage.
Nail on the head, is not forcing vehicle buyers
Into mandatory and no choice. Thats despotic.
"People who buy EVs support child slavery/labor"
Right.. its just not EVs, cellphone and laptop batteries have cobalt aswell. The mines are not just for ev batteries.
So we are all kinda guilty of this.
However, Kongo has rules for child labor and so on… but it seems they dont give much of an f… tbh. There is also a very different culture and how human lives are viewed at theese places. Not saying its right, but it is what it is.
100%. If you're watching that big game on the flatscreen, you're supporting child slave labor. If you're using a cell phone, computer, microwave - you're supporting child slave labor. If you're using electricity at home, your grid is likely powered by gas turbines that are made with child slave labor. No one likes slave labor, but not buying EVs because if it doesn't give you the moral high ground.
I think EV Batteries might get better with time, but they certainly aren't going to get 100x better - which is what it would take to make any EV suitable for basic towing. I haven't seen many EVs on the road that are more than 5 years old - because the problem is if they get in the most minor of accidents , then they have to replace the battery as they don't know if there is an internal short in it that may cause the whole car to burn down - and at that point it's just cheaper to write them off. I would drive one if I only had say 10 - 30 miles to commute every day, but I am also from the generation of modesty, and even if I had the money there's no way I would buy a $100K Truck for example, I'm not out to impress anyone, and I would rather spend that money to go travel the world or build my dream house than throw it in the ground for depreciation.
That is a really good review.
Most of the electricity in the US is produced using fossil fuels like coal, natural gas, and diesel. Therefore, electric cars produce nearly as much pollutants that gas cars produce. Unless a person has a dedicated solar powered system and they only need to drive the electric car at night, the "coal powered" electric car is not environmentally friendly at all. Also, thank you for pointing out the humanitarian disaster that battery production causes.
Keep in mind a big portion of the Cobalt is used in Cell phone battery's as well
am european living in south east asia, and i totally agree with your analysis about climat change black mail and EV madness.
I highly doubt it
@@Myvintageiron7512 i admit my English isn't sharp, however my comment wasn't a joke.
Many owners of e cars, will make big eyes when in a few years the battery must be replaced. Depending on how expensive the car was when new, in some cases it will be a total economic loss. Now, if you include the balance sheet in manufacturing, these vehicles are not sustainable. To get to the point of zero as far as the CO2 balance is concerned, I can drive neutrally for many years with a modern diesel engine.
Cell phones use cobalt, I basically follow you on this. But the aptra deserves a look.
EV cars are only about control. 99% of people who depend on a car do not have a garage they park in. If you aren't wealthy enough to have a single family home to park your car in where are you going to charge it every night? 300' of extension cord out of your apartment window? Going EV means most people who today drive a car will have no transportation tomorrow.
I think EV's are like most everything else, they have their place, I could see them being beneficial for something like a local delivery service or mail trucks but running long distance I can't see that being beneficial right now..
I'm with you man, I'm not anti-EV I just don't live in a place where they are viable. My friend traded in his Tesla for a KIA gasser because of our harsh winters and distance between towns out here in Idaho. Running the Heater (defroster), the wipers, the stereo while going down the road cut the range of that Tesla down to In-Town-Short-Jont-Only driving. Bad thing is.... Rodney already paid to up the Electrical Service in his garage for the Home Charger, and that was Super Expensive.... but now he has enough electricity in his garage to run anything he wants out there.
The other problem is the Electric Grid just like our border will not be able to keep up the amount of infrastructure we need. According a good friend of mine who is an engineer actually involved in working on this, he said there is no way we can hit the government numbers. We in KC were solicited to cut back on using electricity at peak time of 4pm to 8pm and you get a discount. They know that if by 2030 if Dad comes home and plugs in the car..We won't have the capacity. They want our homes to be no gas as well! Solar and Windmills will not cut it either!
I have a '70 F250 for loads and hauling. I have a Tesla Model 3 for around the town. It isn't one or the other, its both.
For road trips, my relatives have road-tripped a Tesla all over the US. They need to have bathroom breaks every 4 hours anyway, so charge while you stretch.
I agree that this tech is not ready for real worker truck use. It is really ready for sedan and short haul truck use.
Hydroelectric and then nuclear is best way to make energy we should be making nuclear plants with new tech all over but they aren’t it’s ridiculous.
There aren't going to be any new Nuclear plants the US and the world has turned its back on this type of power.
there haven't been any new license applications for new Nuke plants in the United States since the 3-mile island melt down and that was in the 70's the entire world stopped building Nuke plants after Chernobyl exploded and melted down in Ukraine in 1986 no Nation has moved on this type of plant except Iran and we know what there motives are
@@Myvintageiron7512 I know and it’s just sad because those incidents were avoidable and in reality nuclear is much more efficient and safer when done correctly.
Your analysis makes sense. I laugh when people say that electrics have no carbon footprint. It's like you say, electrics have less environmental impact, but only over the very long term. I wouldn't be "caught dead in a ditch" driving one of those "snot box" teslas.
Was over at the ford dealership and they've got a EV F150 I think the price tag was at $85.000 I live in the high desert and see teslas all over now the mustangs ev are showing up but for traveling I'll stuck with my gas 150 can't see waiting if you're right about charge time wow .
Agree 100% the gas powered F150 is a much better choice you can pull your 6000 LB trailer with the gas 1/2-ton Ford pickup anywhere with ease and it will last you a good 20 years or more if you take care of it I doubt the Lightning battery lasts that long even if it could tow.
And don't forget: Once they have us by the balls on EV, there will absolutely be nothing "free" or inexpensive about charging the hateful things.
Right. No one has you by the balls on gas cars, def not the oil companies. You have your own oil well and refinery right? It's good to be self reliant. It's not like you can put magic beans on your roof and power a car with it. Good thinking.
Yea they said Health care will be free just signe up well we see how that turned out this won't be any different
My only sticking point on the EV goes back to the charging. without 0 carbon power generation powering the charging station the impact is an immeasurable gray area. Until that can be assured clean imo the carbon argument is irrelevant.
EVs are not pushed because they're ecological on their own, but because only a very limited number of them can be produced because there's not much necessary metals availalble. This means in a few years they will be only leased for battery recycling, and that means they will never leave Europe, US and a few other advanced countries. That is the real goal to stop Africa, Southern Asia and South America from motorisng.
300 to 500 million cars is sustainable whatever type of engine. But keeping internal combustion cars alive would mean that number eventually going into billions. And the problem is not even the emissions but the fact that sources of oil would be drained in no time, and cars would have to use biofuel.
While carbon-neutral, production of biofuel would mean further monocultures and prices of food literally skyrocketing, and in many places food being hardly availalble at all. That would cause migration from poor to rich countries grow many times beyond current, already catastrophic prognoses, and thus to Wolrd War III and the greatest genocide in history of all human kind, many times bigger than doings of Adolf, Stalin and Mao combined. That is the real reason why EVs so pushed. It doesn't matter if they're ecological or not. What matters is that there will never be too many of them.
But don't ignore.....
-electricity likely comes from burning coal.... Polution
-battery system only lasts limited time before expensive replacement which causes..... Pollution
-what to do soon with all these batteries that are soon to be no good and non-recyclable....... Pollution
Need to move to hydrogen. Some do exist!
I have used rechargeable batteries, the AA, AAA, C, D, etc. They claimed hundreds of charges, but many go bad after 5 or 10 charges. The AA and AAA do better, but the C & D are garbage.. Most of us don't have incomes to buy expensive electric vehicles!!! I don't see EVs being better for the environment; look at what the lithium mining does to indigenous people! Same for other rare earth minerals used in 'smart' phones that are being used to control you! Then there is the problem of disposing of batteries. CO is not such a big problem, we have plants to convert it. The powers that be want us to live in apartments and take a transit system to whatever stores are nearby. No vehicle ownership, no gardens.
You've covered about all I've done some research on. Something I've wondered about is what do you do if you run out of power on the road, you can't can't just bring a can of electricity. How much does it cost to modify your home service. From what I understand, the old solar panels and wind turbines go into the land fill for the most part. I live in the country and work construction, not uncommon to drive 4 hours a day. Electric couldn't be more ridiculous.
I would almost be interested in a lightning pro if the charge time and charging infrastructure improved, the range extended or both. I have a one ton big block dually when it’s pulling time. But I don’t see them getting them to where I would pull the trigger in my lifetime. Prices are horribly inflated on everything new and used these days. Just picked up a 21 f150 with the coyote recently. I never would have believed I would ever spend that much on a truck. Just couldn’t keep up with repairs on my old fleet fast enough to work a 60+ hour job at the same time.
While zero emission standards sounds like a good idea, those government mandates are killing the auto industry and hurting it's consumers. I keep my cars an average of 18 to 20 years while not putting many miles on it. Battery life in years and the risk of an obsolete battery replacement keeps me away from them. Otherwise I would buy one provided the price drops. Adding EV's to the market isn't a bad idea. Totally replacing combustion cars with electric is insane.
The cobalt mined by slave labor is used in 80% of our common electronics. Cells phones, flat screen TV, etc. It's also used in gas turbines that power parts of our electric grid today. So while I can understand ones reluctance to not buy products that make those slave owners more profitable, the reality is we've been doing that for decades. Additionally, there isn't enough Cobalt to supply this industry, that's why brands like Tesla, VW and others are evolving their battery tech to move away from lithium ion.
So then the new up coming Tesla semi truck wont really work? They talk about something called regeneration where the drive train when decelerating is hooked up to charge the battery in fact they say that it works like the J brake in diesel engines l got this info from a Jay Lenos garage episode
Ha ha. Ford Lightning battery range.
Like a Stroker 460 with a Holley 1050 dominator. Watch your fuel gauge drop evertime you floor it
Yes I agree with you with the infrastructure for electric vehicles.. and you live in a rural area and you have to drive 100 mile just to recharge station and then going home and there's no point going to charge it because by time you get home half charge again..
Nail on the head video. They need to make all the batteries universal and just exchange them like propane tanks, maybe have a heavier battery for commercial applications once they figure that side of things out.
Honestly thank you’ve for making this video. It’s important to note that we can agree to disagree, but it’s important to Start the discussion
The cobalt and lithium mining have been a problem before electric cars peoples phones and laptops run on batterys too
Agreed 100% 👍
People are not so good in math anymore. 70k, 80k💰 etc. And 70 mile range 😀Battery life...
A W123 or W124 Mercedes will out last every single car on earth
I’m not sure we’re going to have a choice. As for the environmental impact, have their been robust studies?
Evs do not save anyone money over the long run. Ask me how I know!
Good tech. Bad timing. I would rather have a small block chevy in anything than an electric car.
Everybody who looks into this knows this truth,Thanks for the Courage to say it out loud!
If you account disposal of the used battery, they are worse for the enviorment
That is a subject that really does not have much hard data but it is a big issue I agree we won't know the effects for many years most often all the plans that Government comes up with are very costly and ends up hurting people
EVs suck and thats just the truth. I feel sorry for all the suckers out there driving them.
"You can disagree with me, no problem, it just means you're wrong". 😂
14 years, will your battery last that long. A new battery is over $20,000
For me, as a person of moderate income, the basic problem I have is affordability. Until they become affordable to the common person, I have no interest in them. Also, I really wonder how well they will ever adapt to the used car market. Who wants a car where you're spending between $4k to $20k to replace batteries? How many people have that kind of money sitting around for a repair/maintenance?? Of course, you never hear about this stuff....as the ev market is simply about making money from those who can afford it. There is no real concern about the problems that will limit who can actually own these things. When I hear that only evs will be manufactured after 2030 or 2035, I simply call bullshit. And, to add, I was a real fan of evs...and the independence available with solar power....but then reality hit.
I can't agree with you more the politicians and the media talks about EV's as if anyone can make a decision and just go out and buy one 70K 80K 100K there are those who can afford this however there are far more who can't you tell a working man with a family that this is a good idea, and he should just go buy one. when he is struggling to buy food each week his Ford F150 gas or Diesel pickup is 15 years old and it was tough to come up with the 15 to 20 K he needed to buy that,
now politicians are looking at him with a straight face and tell him you need to go with an EV like he can just pull 80K out of his butt c'mon its just ridicules
Well said my friend 👏
Think about where the electricity to charge your EV comes from, it's probably natural gas or coal. Oh there's that ugly fossil fuel thing again.
Yep that's correct
Agree, also the idea that EV's are being promoted as Zero Emissions is just wrong. By the way, how does a person recharge an EV when they have a trailer?
Another challenge you would half to block off the other chargers or unhook your trailer.
Electric cars are appliances. I'd like to have one to drive to work. But I would definitely keep my V8 for fun
I totally agree!
I'm all for EV.
IF, and only IF, it makes sense. Right now it doesnt.
Il stick with wasting my money on gas,
Very good analysis!
Electric is the future in vehicles.
However, as you point out, there is no infrastructure. Further, I don’t think Lithium is dense enough or cheap enough to do much beyond local trips. Another generation or two needs to come before batteries become viable.
I also think diesel is the best for trucks and will be for a long time.
You are wrong on global warming. The phenomenon has been tracked for over 100 years. The steep curve of CO2 release is trapping heat and frying the planet.
A further issue for electric vehicles is that it will make the electric utilities the mother of all monopolies. What happens then? Electricity will be $5 a kWh….
We will agree to disagree on Global warming. one thing is for sure EV's won't solve the problem even if every Gas-powered car stopped today, it would not stop what China and Russia are doing it would make a dent but not enough of one and it would cripple the world's economy.
@@Myvintageiron7512 I too am afraid we we’ve already pushed climate beyond salvation, at least in the next century or so. I agree we need gas and diesel for some time yet.
We have solar collectors on our house that offset 60% of our electric bill. We put them in as a retirement strategy, to blunt the effect of future electric $ increases. I monitor our daily collection. During the Covid lock down our electric take jumped 15-20%. I discussed it with a local meteorologist and he confirmed the grounding of airlines was the likely cause. He said the same thing was noticed right after 9/11. I was shocked such a small thing has such big effects.
I am also mystified why electric cars, far simpler than fuel burning ones, cost so much.
My brother in-law was kill in a Toyota Prius head on with tractor trail / it was like a bomb went off
Nothing left
sorry for your loss I don't think a head on with a tractor Trailor would have a good out come no matter what kind of car you were driving
Wish I could give this video two thumbs up.
NO ELECTRIC VEHICLES EVER !!!!!!!!!!
GAS CARS AND TRUCKS ONLY !!!!
Sorry EV people, you get NOTHING !!! ☺️💪🏻👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻
I feel EV's will never beat the convenience of pulling in and filling up the tank in ten minutes for a relaiable 300+ miles and back on the road with no shortage of gas stations should you run out of gas. Electric cars are specific circumstance SHORT TRIP MACHINES and electric trucks will NEVER out work a gas engine truck.
We are on the same exact page.
Good video 👍. My thoughts are the same. In my country Norway, the market share for new EV has been 70-80% last years because of NO tax on the new cars (Normally we have extremly high tax for buy a new car here.. 25% VAT and sometimes up to 100% registration tax!). This year government slowly start to increase the EV tax and sales going down...
Many states have seasonal brown outs because the power grid infrastructure is stretched as it is...but hey, lets all plug our cars into it and see what happens. Also, what if you live in the land of fruits and nuts and there's a wildfire, but PG&E (as they normally do) cuts power in your area for 'safety'? Not enough charge left in your smugmobile to get out? Oh well. There's a good chance the battery setup in someone's EeeVee could start the fire in the first place...the fire could start in your own garage-lol.
Amen on the 70's Chevelle - lol
As an electrician there are 2 infrastructures that are needed:
1 - the infrastructure for the electric vehicles themselves at stores, gas stations, etc (with a 3 hour coffee shop)
2 - then there is the current electric grid which is unable to handle the system if everyone were to get an electric vehicle
Full reality on what the government is trying to push is not there and would take decades.
Finally, what kind of power is Elon Musk, Ford, Chevy , etc using at their plants to build these things?
What?? - Fossil fuel electricity - that's a sin isn't it?
People with money will have two cars. An EV for around town and a gas car or truck for trips. You, like me, live in Phoenix so we are familiar with Sun City where people get around perfectly well in golf carts. What's an EV other than a big golf cart. You're not going back and fort to LA without hitting a SuperCharger or two. But then how often do you go to LA?
Yah, your right across the board. With that being said, my daily driver is a 2018 Prius and I paid $24K for it new. 55+ mpg. I still drive my 1996 Camaro too. :-)
Whoever says they won't have one is wrong. They either will because internal combustion engines are no longer made, or they'll be old and get driven around by one that drives itself. Same difference.
not gona happen in my lifetime
@@Myvintageiron7512 Happening now, Tesla is largest car company and has all the rest pretty well beat. And volkswagen said they won't even make an IC car by 2025
Im from Permian Basin. I see it this way. There's no way in hell that all of the energy independent states can keep supplying fossil fuels to all the energy dependent states.
Those States are going to have to find other energy source soon or cut back on their energy.
Texas obligations are to supply itself, the military bases and airports. Some how or another we began supplying consumers. We can't continue that.
Right on ! The EV prices will never be reasonable.The outer shell of the vehicle may look the same of a gas version but its structure is way different.From design to have a battery underneath to extremely more electronics plus the weight.All dealers are out to make $$$ even if the Government gives them incentives to build Electric they will not lower the purchase price.
You are 100% right
💯 based! 👏
If I had an extra $80,000 that didn't have someplace else to go, and needed a car to just run around town with maybe short trips and back home, I may be interested. I'd not travel and spend time at a crowded charging station, waiting mmy turn to spend an hour or two charging enough to make the next charging station.
It begs the question, why is anyone in their right mind buying a Ford Lightning? There must be a reason because they are selling. I don't get it.
socker moms who want to drive around town with the feel of a big truck,
it will never tow a trailer and never go off road.
it might haul some supplies from home depo for projects but it's like you said if I spend 70K on a truck that thing better sing and dance at that price it should be outperforming everything else buy a long shot,
but sadly,
it's actually worthless in that area so who would buy one people who don't think things through very well the same people will buy time shares.
@@Myvintageiron7512 Very good point. It is more of a status symbol. I don't think like that so I have trouble coming to that conclusion. Me: Truck...must haul stuff...must tow stuff. I suppose that's what grinds my gears about the price of modern trucks because all the princesses have to have the heated/cooled seats and the latte dispenser. lol. What I wouldn't give to have a full size truck with a diesel and a manual...even used those are 30k with 500k miles.
Unless it's a toyota tacoma they seem to never lose there value. And all EV battery are well over $10000 to replace. And no one ever thinks about what is happening to these batteries when the go bad.
Hybrid is the best compromise.
Great explanation,and arguments,in europe the same ,and the green people even think they have to make trucks who traveling lot,s of miles make electric,they totaly crazy
Now using that analogy on a Electric freight truck pulling tons in weight interstate in a given timeframe it won't happen. EV are only good for short town trips that's it.
Also a lot of industries like what I did water well drilling and pump installing. Everything pretty much uses PTO where engines got to run or one of our drill rigs literally used same engine as D8 Cat Dozer on back to just run drilling functions and had another one under hood to drive it down the road weighing 95k pounds. But any truck in any industry that has a boom meaning power line trucks etc any of that uses a PTO as well.
EV just like the ethanol hoax
Slaves mining for these minerals in far away lands is a concern to me.
Yes, it is very disturbing it's been going on a long time, they also use much of that for cell phone battery's!
See if you can get a aptra. The top end one gets 1000 mpg. Looks like a insect. They start in the 20's
Lithium is the new oil