Great podcast! After Toby's comments on Hellblasters, I got curious to see how often they've popped up in the top performing DA lists. Over the first weekend of the Pariah Nexus meta, one of the lists that went 4-1 at Glasshammer had 20 Hellblasters in it, and last weekend a list that went 3-2 had 10. Certainly, DWKs and ICCs appeared in more of the high performing lists.
@@heathhooper3699 Ben Jones took a list with 10 Hellblasters to the Sheffield Super Major and went 5-1 for 4th place out of 196 players. James Bedford took a list with 20 Hellblasters to the same event and went 4-1, scoring 30th.
glad my gut was right about battle line not being massive. hyped to finaly see primarchs back on the table. tesseract being usable was not on my bingo card.
Just to explain, wtc scoring is not common in the UK at all. The ITT use it as they feel it’s the best way of scoring in a teams format and Glasshammer decided to use it for this tournament (with a slight tweak as Toby explained). Their reasoning was that it’s not good enough to make a list that can score 100, you also need to stop the opponent scoring as the final score is based on the difference in points, so to win the tournament you have to get big differential scores. Interesting idea, but not sure if it will take off here.
Going to disagree on the hellblasters thing, especially in ICTF where Azzy gives them Deathwing. Now that indirect is less of a thing they’re even better. The key is to start them in the board, not in a transport, then advance them to where needed. If people focus them down then fine, they shoot back and you’re not shooting my scoring unit. I’m fine with that. Azzy also provides that anti melee threat is positioned properly in the unit.
My thinking on this is that it's to equalize the opportunity of high-scoring aggressive and low-scoring denial lists. If you consistently only score 60 but hold your opponent to 20, that is rewarded the same as scoring 100 but allowing 60. So by focusing on the differential it opens up list diversity to incentive point denial as well as point accrual.
As in WTC scoring? My understanding is that an American thing that much of Europe also then used. Could be wrong, its not commonly used in the UK outside of team events (though is gaining some popularity)
Great podcast! After Toby's comments on Hellblasters, I got curious to see how often they've popped up in the top performing DA lists. Over the first weekend of the Pariah Nexus meta, one of the lists that went 4-1 at Glasshammer had 20 Hellblasters in it, and last weekend a list that went 3-2 had 10. Certainly, DWKs and ICCs appeared in more of the high performing lists.
Interesting
Interesting data. Let's keep an eye on it and see where things stabilize in a few weeks...
@@heathhooper3699 Ben Jones took a list with 10 Hellblasters to the Sheffield Super Major and went 5-1 for 4th place out of 196 players. James Bedford took a list with 20 Hellblasters to the same event and went 4-1, scoring 30th.
Top tier as always gentleman.
Thank you, sir
Appreciate it
glad my gut was right about battle line not being massive. hyped to finaly see primarchs back on the table. tesseract being usable was not on my bingo card.
I wasn’t sure but I am also glad
Just to explain, wtc scoring is not common in the UK at all. The ITT use it as they feel it’s the best way of scoring in a teams format and Glasshammer decided to use it for this tournament (with a slight tweak as Toby explained). Their reasoning was that it’s not good enough to make a list that can score 100, you also need to stop the opponent scoring as the final score is based on the difference in points, so to win the tournament you have to get big differential scores. Interesting idea, but not sure if it will take off here.
So it's not very sporting
@@danklistswargaming8261it’s more sporting in a way as you can’t just ignore your opponent and score, you have to engage to stop them scoring too
Going to disagree on the hellblasters thing, especially in ICTF where Azzy gives them Deathwing. Now that indirect is less of a thing they’re even better. The key is to start them in the board, not in a transport, then advance them to where needed. If people focus them down then fine, they shoot back and you’re not shooting my scoring unit. I’m fine with that. Azzy also provides that anti melee threat is positioned properly in the unit.
I was on the phone with someone playing it at ATC last night.
He was having a BLAST
Wasn't his firestorm list just outside of Azrael nothing but codex Space Marines Codex units?
Fairly common
So rollin 4 1s and 2 2s isn't good
Sadly, no it is not
Still don’t understand the need for eu to invent their own entirely different scoring standards
We will ask Alan about next time he is on.
My thinking on this is that it's to equalize the opportunity of high-scoring aggressive and low-scoring denial lists. If you consistently only score 60 but hold your opponent to 20, that is rewarded the same as scoring 100 but allowing 60. So by focusing on the differential it opens up list diversity to incentive point denial as well as point accrual.
As in WTC scoring? My understanding is that an American thing that much of Europe also then used. Could be wrong, its not commonly used in the UK outside of team events (though is gaining some popularity)
@@WraithRaiderI don't think it's used commonly over here. Most tournament results we see are written in standard scoring.
@@heathhooper3699 fair enough, I know WTC run some big events, but not here either :)
Great podcast.
Question; when rapid ingressing The Lion are you doing it 9" and are you doing it within 3" of friendly infantry for lone op?
I would if at all possible