San Marino 1-7 England (1993) WCQ
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- Опубликовано: 25 окт 2012
- Despite scoring seven against San Marino in November 1993, England fail to qualify for the World Cup finals and suffer the humiliation of conceding a goal in the opening seconds. Holland's win against Poland on the same night ensures England will not qualify. Includes reaction to England failing to reach the finals and Graham Taylor looking almost certain to leave his job, with Jimmy Hill and Terry Venables having probably the last of their famous England post-match debates as Venables would be in charge by the time they next played (despite being very coy on the subject here)!
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Regardless of how embarrassing things were under Graham Taylor, he always conducted himself impeccably in interviews. RIP.
Yes which is why I wouldn't have minded him continuing.
One manager they shouldn't have sacked is Glen Hoddle. He shouldn't have made those bizarre views on disabled people!
I agree mate, well said.
So true
His views were criticised by Tony Blair and Richard Taylor!
Jimmy Hill was light years ahead of the rest of the media. Here in 2022, we still have the same problems, with players who can’t retain possession of the ball, sit back and ultimately lose
Hardly rocket science.
Southgate’s instruction to make them play negative, we genuinely do have some of the best players in the world but they’re strengths are attacking Southgate doesn’t do that as he’s a bottle job when it matters
Upon watching this now
Terry had a belief that despite the limited numbers of English talent available the right manager could build a good tournament team - which showed at euro 96...
Jimmy Hill understood the problems with the English game and was ahead of his time... He was spot on in pointing out how many English players were playing in Italy (the best league in the world at that time). He was always methodical, logical and eloquent in delivering his analysis of the game.
Yet to mention Desmond as an anchor he is far better Anchor than the likes of Richard keys we see today, the basic skill of listening to the discussion in hand and challenging such with the right questions....
If you look at punditry today there are more bad ones than good ones...
Terry Vennables and Jimmy hill are much better than the likes of Roy Keane, Graeme Souness, Andy Gray, Peter Reid and Jamie Redknapp who we constantly see on sky and BeIN sports...
They speak with such intelligence and decorum .
spot on, Venables made the highly perceptive comment in 1990 that John Barnes and Waddle should have been played as two inverted inside forwards, indeed he he was arguing that from the mid 1980s..Hill was, as always, excellent..Gray and Richard Keyes were PL cheerleaders..Souness is very insightful sometimes..
It was a bitter
disappointment not qualifying for the-1994 World Cup, but the media treatment at Graham was beyond contempt. He didn't deserve that,and I fully enjoyed listening to his television interviews. A really nice bloke. As always, you win some,you lose some. It just wasn't to be at that time.I also thought at the time if time travel was possible, how much I could have made on a bet for San Marino to score in the first few seconds!:)No doubt many countries worldwide were highly delighted that England didn't make it back then!
I also felt sorry for Taylor...and admired his subsequent career in the media. I found the set up at that time so parochial and narrow-minded (including a dreadful media). Graham Kelly must be close to being one of the most dull uninspiring men ever in football.
RIP Mr Venables - thanks for everything. x
What exactly did he do?
El tel took charge after that for Euro 96 and nearly won, that split second stutter from gazza with the goal gaping still hurts 😔
I watched it on the steelworks. Me and Joe doggarg didn't go home untill whistle went.
It was at home in England though and people seem to forget the number of fortunate results England had a Euro 96.
@@nigefal fortunate results?? 🤔
@@MrAdriano017
Certainly fortunate v Spain when Spain were denied two stonewall penalties in the match and were outplayed before it went to the shootout.
@@pato2200 Spain were blatantly robbed.
Ian Wright got almost 50% of his International goals in this match :-/
England had a dearth of great strikers then
@@rickoneillable Dearth of great strikers? They had plenty of great strikers. Shearer, Sheringham, Wright, Ferdinand, Robbie Fowler was breaking through in 93, even Beardsley was always grossly underrated. England's problem at that time was the massive drinking, gambling and generally not being as professional as all of the other teams.
@@doctor_gibbo1392 Beardlsey was famously teetotal so maybe Taylor should have kept him on just to help influence the younger players in a small way.
@@BurnsTennis Yeah he was brilliant but he was getting on a bit in 93, but you hear these stories about Gazza, Paul Merson, Tony Adams and a whole host of other players drinking, smoking and generally arsing about whilst all the other top teams were far more professional and it's no wonder England were crap at that time despite having good players on paper.
😂
23 years later and we're still asking the same questions!
Yes I noticed that! They are saying exactly the same things.
Ireland are still asking the same questions. England are now streets ahead technically of what they were back then. The EPL has the most money and attracts many of the best managers and players globally. Nevertheless players like Sterling and Henderson are key players tactically at top clubs in the league.
Make it 30 years.
Proper pundits Jimmy hill was top class
watching this a few things standout. des lynam is streets ahead of today's anchormen. Jimmy hill was ridiculed at the time, but was spot on in terms of the problems within the English game.
These *really* were the days! Just before British television began dumbing down thanks to the 1990 BA.
I was thinking just the same.
No doubt 30 years ago English players on average were must less technically adept than they are now now.
His desire and predictions for better football coaching and schools of excellence are no doubt coming to fruition thanks to St. George's Park and a general shift in how the game should be played.
Terry Venables however is talking nonsense saying we've got great players(at the time).
@@maxwellboyne2770 English Champions League winning teams have been made up of a large % of foreign players coached by foreign managers.
Your statements are nonsense.
Holland have appeared in 3 World Cup Finals and won the Euros.
Thats a mark of a very good footballing national that punches well above its weight in relation to its population and has certainly produced a higher quality of player than England has.
Argentina have won the World Cup TWICE and the Copa America 15 times.
Brazil have won the World Cup 5 and Copa America 9 times.
Spain have won 1 World Cup and appeared in 4 Euros finals winning 3 of them.
I could go on.....
England have won 1 World Cup(at home) and appeared in 1 Euros final.
That's an appalling return from the most underachieving football national side on the planet.
Internationally England have been viewed as producing poor quality footballers who prioritise physicality over skill and guile for years.
Why do you think so few foreign clubs over the years have bought English players?
However,England finally have a very good group of technically gifted players(the finest squad of players they've had since 1970 in fact) and foreign coaches views of the English footballer are changing(hence the recent glut of English players playing abroad).
@@maxwellboyne2770 You are completely clueless pal.
England in Euro 96 had an easy group(Swiss, Scots and Holland)
Terrible performance and draw against the Swiss, an expected win against the Scots and an admittedly good performance against the Dutch.
Then we were outplayed by Spain(who had a legitimate goal disallowed for offside) but scrapped through on pens.
After that was the 2nd good performance of the tournament v Germany.
All this was at Home!
But in your mind this one tournament is a bigger achievement than England reaching the World Cup semis and a Euros FINAL?
Crazzzy!
And what's all this about pitches being in a worse condition in the 90's so you can't play technical football?
🤣 Tell that to Cruyff in the 70's,Platini, Laudrup and Maradona in the 80's, oh and the whole Brazilian side in 82.
Yep, they all resorted to English style hoof ball because of the state of those pitches didn't they?
I can only guess you've either never played football yourself or if you did you were completely hopeless at it because your lack of understanding of the beautiful game is shocking.
I’m a Coventry fan and we all love Jimmy Hill this man was way ahead of his time when he was manager of the Sky Blues and always loved watching as a pundit he knew what he was talking about and was definitely not a joke. PUSB
Yep I've even seen Jimmy Hill Way near the Ricoh.
@@countbasi4680and the Jimmy Hill statue outside the CBS 🙂
What's interesting is not only Jimmy Hill being totally on the money about the English Game. But also how much resistance and scorn he receives when he tries to explain it. I was brought up to think he was a figure of fun, a clown figure, but that's what this country does to people who have analytical skill and foresight. At the root of it, it's because these people demand change, something we're all scared of in this country. RIP Jimmy mate, you were bang-on.
side note: do you think he knew Venables was going to take the job, that's why he said if you were intelligent then you wouldn't take it. Seems like a sly-dig.
And that San Marino goal - hmmmmm - 🐟
Back then, a lot of people saw Hill as an aging pundit, who was out of touch with the modern game and belonged in 50's, 60's and 70's. I agree, his outspoken views went against him and he wasn't taken seriously. We produce great players, like Lineker, Gazza, Shearer, Owen, Rooney etc... but there wasn't enough quality players around them to win competitions. With the recent England team, I can only name one world class player.
@@Aerojet01 'With the recent England team, I can only name one world class player.' you mean Jude, of course😔
Yep, Jude Bellingham is our only world class player. I honestly can't say that about anyone else. Kane is a top striker, and I hope being in Germany will make things better for him in an England shirt, but let's be honest, he's scored a LOT of penalties for us. Foden will suffer the more we play this safe, dull, conservative style under Southgate, too. Bellingham has been a class act since his move to Real, and it just shows how important he is. Unfortunately, I don't see enough quality around him.
Spot on..Everything he says is correct..loved him and Terry's dig dongs..
Venables was spot on about discarding the likes of Waddle and Beardsley too early. Taylor made a huge error there in his haste to change everything.
Yeah, Waddle had more in him and in fact, Beardsley came back in briefly, although by this time had actually been over taken by some new blood, in the likes of Shearer, Les Ferdinand, Fowler etc.
Waddle was played as a winger as was Barnes though each played as central playmakers for their clubs.
Taylor wanted to play 4-4-2 or even 4-2-4 and shape players for that. But he was too unsophisticated or to too pusillanimous for international football. The Watford style did not translate to the international stage unless you were prepared to take it to its logical conclusion as jack charlton did with success.
Halfway houses have poor foundations.
@@pato2200 Taylor loved carlton palmer, useless player
@@gujh03 on calton palmer george best once said "he can trap a ball further than i can kick it."
@@gujh03 such an arrogant prick as well. Hartlepool Utd beat Sheff Wed 6-0 in a pre season friendly and he was giving it 'you could've come and cut my garden for me while I was at the Euros in the summer' (92). Personality obviously matched his ability
Jimmy Hill spoke so much sense. A much missed legend.
SuperTed19021did you back Spain?
Dan Umphray you don’t know football im afraid. Hill predicted Englands downfall years ago and always blamed the influx of foreign players...ultimately ended up in failure from 2006-2016
@Dan Umphray You have no idea. Jimmy Hill made a seismic change in English football. He became a figure of fun as a pundit due to the British gutter press but spoke perfect sense.
@@mattchimpy I was only three at the time it was played but I probably would have gone for either Brazil or Germany. Maybe Spain.
@@waynemarshall8836 There has been no downfall of English football. England haven't won a major Trophy, but consistently in the top 8 in rankings. The increase in Money, talent in other Countries has made it harder. Look at Eastern European Countries.
Des Lynam shutting down everything Jimmy Hill says despite it all being 100% correct
England get battered, everywhere they go. England get battered, everywhere they go
Everywhere they go
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
An honest review of England managers since 1990;
-Graham Taylor. Had a lot of poor luck, certainly didn't have the best England team. However his direct style of play wasn't well suited to international football. Press' treatment of him was disgraceful.
-Terry Venables. Never had to qualify for a tournament. Did well at Euro 96 but that was partly boosted by the momentum of home advantage. Can't really judge him although he did help England develop some sort of passing game.
-Glenn Hoddle. The best fit we've had since 1990. Style of play suited for international management and was a popular figure. Also showed the balls to drop stars, as he dropped the unfit Gazza for the world cup. Should have been the England manager for the next few tournaments, Had potential to develop a great side with "golden generation" players coming through. Sadly blew up with some stupid comments.
-Kevin Keegan. Popular guy, played exciting football but too tactically naive for international management.
-Peter Taylor. (caretaker.) Made his mark by making Beckham Captain, who would keep the job for half a decade. Singlehandedly destroyed Leicester City after this, probably a good thing he wasn't appointed permanently.
-Sven Goran Eriksson. Wasted our "golden generation" with uninspiring quarter final runs. Seemed to have no idea of tactics or squad discipline. Always picked players based on reputation, his England were a collection of individuals not a team. Spent years trying to get Lampard and Gerrard playing well together and trying to find a solution to our perennial "left midfield" problem, neither of which he ever achieved. Also kept picking "the beast" Heskey, for some reason. His salary was obscene.
-Steve McClaren. By all accounts he's a good coach, but as an England manager completely out of his depth, poor lamb.
-Fabio Capello. An inverse of Svens lack of discipline, he made the players miserable with his rigid, authoritarian methods in the World Cup 2010. Rooney played the worst football of his career (upto Fergie leaving Man Utd) at this tournament. Combined with his lack of tactics (bizarre for an Italian coach) no player was able to reach their potential under him. Throwing on Heskey when 4-1 down against Germany summed it up.
-Roy Hodgson. Did not seem to display any passion for the job, imo he just did it for the money. Brought nothing whatsoever to the England team, he managed to subvert expectations by staying in the job through three miserable tournaments. It took our worst ever result (losing to Iceland) to get him out the job.
-Sam Allardyce. 100% winning record as England manager. Best manager ever!!
-Gareth Southgate. Has proved surprisingly adept at the job so far, getting the team playing fairly close to their potential. England certainly missed an opportunity to reach the world cup final though, we'll see what he does after the Covid crisis ends
Pretty good assumption to be fair 👍🏻
Southgate done alright eh?
@@thedudeabides5201 We reached a final for the first time in more than half a century. That is an achievement even though ultimately he didn't use our most skillful players enough.
@@thedudeabides5201 a semi final and a final is decent for us let's be honest haha
@Nebby Scumbold Wilkinson won the league with Leeds. Wouldn't say limited success
This was the night of the infamous night in November, the Republic of Ireland v Northern Ireland. National crisis of anxiety, the Republic had to get a result and the boys up north wanted nothing more than to spoil the possible World Cup Adventure. Was watching in a jam packed pub in North Dublin. The bar man flicked on this game. San Marino scored, cue explosions of hysterical laughter. Tension released, vanished, gone, roll on the Belfast battle. I’ve always liked England for that reason. Best team now since Italia ‘90 where a jammy West Germany put you out with the flukiest free kick ever
What match are you referring to?
@@SuperTed19021 Rep of Ireland vs Northern Ireland for their qualifying group same night in 1993.......finished 1-1 and Rep of Ireland qualified for USA 94
I think Jimmy Hill was a Habsburg emperor in a previous life
hah great comment :)
Couldn't agree more with John Toshack
Couldn't shut him up
Didnt get this at first cos was still watching! Piss funny now!! 😂🤣
I remember when this first aired, I was screaming at the telly for him to shut his mouth.
He's Welsh FFS
He probably couldn't stop himself laughing....
The sad thing is what Jimmy and Terry were talking about in 1993 the limitations of English football we are still banging on about it today in 2014.
just lost to Iceland, the debate does not change...this is a couple of decades ago!!
Don't you worry, since you commented we've voted for Brexit. Qatar 2022 is in the bag!
kisbie Lol Brexit.
what people and particuarly don't realise is that the levels of the teams has closed long gone are the days of putting 7-8 past the likes of Turkey, this means it is harder for every team and competition is healthier and more fierce...in short it might not be good for top managers of w/e country but it's good for the game..
Inge Fossen you predicted right, fans need to stop with this coming home nonsense
England had bad campaign.
Jimmy Hill was a one of the greatest analytics. He was right in his points. That's what happened many years after that.
Jimmy was always ahead of the game
If *only* he was made FA chairman.
Ohhhhhh to have heard Jimmy Hill summing up after the Iceland debacle. Sadly not to.beboos RIP JH xxxx
" It's only football not war " bless you Des ...
*Brighton legend* also.
I love watching this retrospectively, particularly the pundits analysis between Des, Jimmy and Terry. Considering what we know happened afterwards. Terry being the next manager and England going from missing out on a World Cup to getting to the Semi Final's of Euro 96, all the while playing some magnificent football at times. Football, is indeed, a funny old game.
Again though, when you break it down at Euro 96: rubbish performance against Switzerland, half a good performance against Scotland, brilliant against Holland, completely outplayed and extremely lucky against Spain in the quarters. Unlucky against against the Germans though.
@@SpeccyHorace We were *rubbish* against the Germans at Euro 96. I'm sorry. We had everything going for us that game, even more than 2020 (crowd, atmosphere, squad, manager, national mood etc.) and what did we do, still threw away an early lead and *completely* bottled it on penalties at home in a full-voiced Wembley against one of the weakest German side that even they themselves admit. It was *no* glorious failure like Turin in 1990 and I wish, as an Englishman, England fans accept it. The only *unlucky* one in that game was Paul Gascoigne, but he would have put us into that final good and proper if he, or someone, kept a hold on his fitness and potential.
@@SuperTed19021 I want to ask you, what tournament eliminations in the last 20 years would you say were rubbish failures? I'd say South Africa 2010, Euro 2016, etc
@@SuperTed19021 In the Euro 2020 final I'd say the only unlucky one in the England team was Jordan Pickford. Also you could say Maguire who was outstanding during the entire tournament
Des basically imploring El Tel to take the job here..
Graham was a fine club manager, his record speaks for itself, he himself admitted the england job was too big for him, an honest man muchly missed
Taylor was a great man. Very honest and honourable, and great on 5live when he joined the BBC. Jimmy Hill was spot on here about young players being taught early by proper coaches. Now it's the modern way.
Jimmy Hill was passionate about the game and very knowledgeable.
I always remember my dad burst into tears of laughter when san marino scored
21 years later, and people asking the same questions, and getting the same answers, Pretty funny stuff :)
I think Terry nailed it on the head there, when he suggested Taylor discarded some of his senior players too early. The likes of Beardsley, Waddle, captain marvel still had a part to play
I think Terry Butcher's time had passed. But I agree with you on Beardsley and Waddle.
Beardsley was overrated, never as good as some people made him out to be
I always remember thinking how dodgy that shitty back pass from Pearce looked. In hindsight, I wonder what the odds were on San Marino taking a one nil lead. Just saying.
It's very highly likely one of his mates might've been beneficial from an opening goal for the home side.
Four goals for Ian Wright in one game? Probably quite a few quid more too....
What is pretty amazing to think about is this...If Poland had beaten Netherlands, that opening San Marino goal still would have screwed England over and in that case, San Marino could have taken the credit for getting England knocked out of qualification.
Unless Poland had won by two goals, then England would have qualified with a 7-1 win.
You *really* asking a lot from this at the time, weren't you? The Poles that evening had nothing to play for (their qualification hopes for USA 94 were already finished) and the Dutch had an superior squad. Plus, England would have then needed Poland to beat Holland by two clear goals with their scoreline here. *Wasn't going to happen!* Like in the same way Motson pathetically prayed live that Andorra would equalize to Russia 14 years on.
Watching AEW and somehow came across this clip. I enjoyed it very much. I remember watching this qualifying campaign as a kid. I’ll never forget the Koeman free kick
4:08 The FA, useless suits then, useless suits now.
Jimmy Hills insight was bang on. English players are still not comfortable enough on the ball, nearly 30 years on and still hardly any English players play overseas whereas the English league is full of foreign plyers.
England could get extremely lucky in a tournament and even win a World Cup but unless we change our attitudes we are never going to be able to play the best teams off the park.
Yeah and we're still marvelling at their technique when they come into our league (KDB, etc) just like the 90s with Zola, Vialli, etc. Very little seems to have changed.
still strikingly relevant to our situation today, nothings changed
And it won't until our youth coaches realise that putting our foot in and putting in a good shift does not constitute talent in football.
Nick Cockayne so depressing. dont think ill ever see england win a world cup in my llifetime
Nice of them to invite John Toshack along
Yeah thanks for your input there John
Graham Taylor was a disaster as England Manager. He had Mark Hateley one of the most rampant strikers in top level European competition that season and he gave him one game a friendly in Prague then dropped him. Hateley would have been very effective against the Dutch. Some say Taylor had no idea, he had his own idea but I don't know what that was.
England's last competitive international for over two and a half years. Their next competitive match was the Euro '96 opener against Switzerland.
They did play in the Umbro Cup in 1995, but you're right. Last game in terms of major tournaments and qualifying. England obviously qualified automatically being hosts in 1996. There were a few friendlies chucked in during 1994 and 1995.
What a goal by Paulie walnuts
Word to the wise - remember The Falklands......
Not everyone is gonna get that, but I thought it the minute the commentator said it
Commendatori, Buongiorno!
Jimmy Hill wasn't scared of saying what needed to be said. It made him unpopular with some.
Chinny Hill, we used to give the man so much abuse which he took with good humour, wish he was still here, a true legend of British football.
*If only* he had the looks and persona of Becks, eh?
Jimmy Hill spot on here!
The whole conversation at the end could very well be describing the current England problems. This was 21 years ago and basically nothing has changed haha
actually it got worse- even less english players play for the top teams now
Always a postmortem after we've been knocked out but we were cheated big time against Holland.
In 1996 Spain were cheated out of 2 perfectly good goals against England, so you made up for it.
@@Dead-Ball-Situation Do one yer little shit stain.
Why wasn't John asked for an opinion?
He managed Real Madrid twice!
Des Lynam : "Some of those Republic Of Ireland platers who qualified wouldn't get in the England team"
Maybe not as individuals, but as a part of a team they did just fine.
Graham Taylor seems like the good old days now lol
No, never.
Blame the FA, not the managers.
At least Graham Taylor didn't drive 260 miles to Durham infected with Coronavirus. The press mangled him, and I believed it at the time. Now I feel very sorry that I did. He tried his best.
Jesus, you've a very low bar for outrageous behaviour.
Jim Hill was wise didn't just pander to keep his job safe.
I was in Poznan that night. Poland were beaten by the Netherlands so it would not have made any difference. Hard to believe it was more than 25 years ago.
Graham Taylor was completely clueless. Goodness me !!
Meanwhile in the clip Terry Venables claims the England manager Job is not attractive to him, but he ends up taking the job a few weeks later !!!???
This was the same with Southgate. He said he wasn't interested, and then took the job in less than six months!
Watching this in 2023! 30 years later, amazing
1-0 Davide Gualtieri (1 min)
1-1 Paul Ince (22 min)
1-2 Ian Wright (34 min)
1-3 Les Ferdinand (38 min)
1-4 Ian Wright (46 min)
1-5 Paul Ince (73 min)
1-6 Ian Wright (78 min)
1-7 Ian Wright (90 min)
Jimmy Hill is talking a lot of sense. And we are having the same problem now. Same failings.
and Im so glad Netherlands qualified instead of England, because it provided me with one of the most memorable WC games from my childhood: Brazil 3 x 2 Netherlands
Jimmy Hill reminds me of Bob Willis on the verdict
Jimmy Hill was right.
Things have improved in recent years but the same challenges ring true.
We are careless in position and unable to open up the best teams.
We are not producing the Pirlos or Zidane of world football, the magicians who can make the crucial difference against the very top sides.
Jimmy had to be a Habsburg with that jawline
The best comment on all of this was a front cover of When Saturday Comes. It shows Graham Taylor and a speech bubble which said simply “ God, we were crap weren’t we? “
Tells you everything you need to know.
On another subject, this and other videos- notably about Hillsboro- show the true calibre of Hill and Lynham. Much undervalued at the time, Titans by today’s standards. No disrespect to Lineker, Hansen, or Wright, but these guys nailed it. They were very very good.
It's funny looking back at that now and seeing Terry Venables sat there soon to take us to one of England's most successful tournaments only a couple of years later. Had to feel for Taylor despite his shortcomings he was a true gent and as Bobby Robson showed in Italia 90 it might have turned out different for him in the world cup had we qualified. I remember the similar media hysteria surrounding Robson after Euro 88 and even leading up to Italia 90 so you just never know at a tournament - sometimes it just clicks.
Loved the few seconds that is what the game is know for
It's funny seeing people saying Jimmy Hill was spot on saying England didn't have the players to compete. Yet in the following two tournaments we played much better football under Venables in '96 and Hoddle in '98. It's quite clear that although Hill is partially right, in the sense that we hadn't and still don't generally have the technical skill that certain top nations did/do, that Venables was equally correct in saying that the right manager and better tactics makes the world of difference. Football has proven this time and time again.
Taylor in his reign picked the wrong players, played the wrong tactics and didn't nurture Gascoigne. That's what his undoing. But Jimmy Hill *could* see what was coming on the horizon, especially with the rise of the PL and Sky TV money, along with the FA losing influence. It would be at least a decade later for the effects to unfold. That's what made Jimmy Hill an misunderstood visionary.
@@SuperTed19021 The only decent player that Taylor brought into the team during his tenure was Ince. But Ince should have been picked after the 1990 WC. Instead, we got the likes of Geoff Thomas of Crystal Palace.
The chin on Jimmy Hill is Remarkable! Used to scare me when I was kid. He had a great knowledge of the game though.
He *should* have been FA chairman. For real!
Mr Taylor RIP sir.
I remember watching this at the time, John Toshak just sat there not saying a word lol, Jimmy Hill as always speaks a lot of sense.
Jimmy Hill said this is 1993 and 25 years later the problems are still there
How? Look at all the gifted youngsters coming through
Des Lynham was always subtly mocking Jimmy Hill.
I remember the Romanians at the '94 WC all bleaching their hair and Lynham rinsing Jimmy for suggesting it might help them spot eachother in their peripheral vision - which makes sense tbf - but Lynham mocked the shit out of Jimmy for daring to put it forward as an idea.
Here, Lynham is trying to override Jimmy's (correct) observation that the solution was better players developed from a younger age.
Jimmy Hill was a very knowledgeable and nice man. Des Lyhnam was a prick to him constantly - even though Jimmy was too nice to notice he was being rinsed all the time.
I'm glad that Des now can't get on TV for love nor money.
RIP Jimmy Hill
RIP Graham Taylor
'98 World Cup wasn't it?
I remember midway through the second half with England's qualification chances over due to Holland leading Poland, BBC switched to Wales v Romania just in time for Paul Bodin smashing a penalty against the bar.
Been banging on about it since 1966!
Nothing special about the 1966 team. Momentum, the poor standard of opposition and home advantage carried us through.
@@tomthomas9708 We *did* have Bobby Charlton though. And god, you cannot say the West German side at the time was poor! The thing is, no one here accepts it was a one-off moment in time and think we are up there with the best through that *one* result.
@@SuperTed19021 A great achievement to win the tournament with a decent team.
At 01:48 who was player that sent the ball down for the pickup? Was he a defender?
Haha nothing has changed in 23 years.
Edward Seymour and nothing will in 23 years time.
People mentioning Toshack not saying anything. He was there to talk about the Wales game v Romania, which was played on the same night.
Well described there cestrian81. Most folk including myself probably remember this as a complete dead rubber after the loss in Holland, but actually England still had more than a purely mathematical chance. That is despite qualification being out of their hands and THAT first minute shocker.
I loved Jimmy Hill .
Really like hearing from.Jimmy Hill. Talks a lot of sense. Miss him.
20 years ago tonight
Taylor nice man but out of his depth at international level
The way the press treated him was disgusting
Jimmy Hill speaks so much sense, bring him back BBC
***** So true about Jimmy Hill. Around the time I think everyone thought of him as a bit of a clown but he speaks so much sense here.
You do know he is now severely handicapped by Alzheimer's, right?
Nick Cockayne I do. Very sad.
Nick Cockayne Would still talk more sense than Robbie Savage.
Here, here, would've loved to see him manage England and can only guess how good they would've been had Brian Clough been given a shot at it that he so deserved.
we were slightly unlucky, could easily gone our way and Graham Taylor was a true gentleman who conducted himself brilliantly.
Strange to see this come up after the passing of Terry Venables.
Jimmy Hill and Graham Taylor are no longer with us either. The
England's manager's job is a posioned challis, no matter who is in charge.
EL Tel definitely got a tune out of an unruly but very talented bunch of players during that glorius summer at Euro 96, 2 and a half years on from here.
He restored pride back into playing for England, who knows what could of been if he was able to remain manager beyond euro 96.
Agree with what Jimmy Hill said to about the culture of English football.
Even though they had differing opinions to El Tel..
Jimmy Hill actually spoke a lot of sense, and his opinions have been echoed a lot in the 30 years after this.
Looks like Spain followed Jimmy's advice ha. The FA are clowns. Should have never sacked Glen Hoddle.
Joe King Glen Hoddle was rubbish.. he didn’t pick gazza!!
Gazza was a loose cannon, could not be trusted.
Him not picking Gascoigne for France 98 was to prove his underdoing. And for much as he had us playing nice football, he also had poor man management skills. Another underdoing. In truth, we *needed* Clough in the 70s/80s.
England managers hardly ever trust skill players.
He was sacked for making bizarre views on disabled people!
What a classic. Behind after a record fastest goal in a World Cup qualifier or finals in 8.3 seconds to minnows San Marino. You could not have scripted it and be believed!!
Jimmy hill speaks sense
You forget how massive Jimmy Hill's formidable chin actually was 😮
"A seven-goal margin was required against the minnows and after a minute it looked as if San Marino just might do it..."
Its always been a mess since 1971:
1974 & 1978 not even there, 1982 choked in second round, no goals, 1984 not there, 1986 didn't turn up until 2 down v Arg, 1988 3 defeats, 1992, 1st rd, 1994 not there, 96 & 98 cant score penalties, 2000 first round, 2002 stopped playing v 10 men Brazil, 2004 & 2006, cant score pens again, 2008 needed 1 point from last 2 games, lost em both, 2010 Algeria were better than us, then 4-1 loss, 2012 cant score pens, 2014 wished we hadn't qualified... and they reckon we´ll win in Qatar? Braindead FA.
+Paul V Actually Paul in Euro "96 we scored 4 pens v Spain (although we were very lucky not to lose that one in normal time) and England scored 5 pens v Germany , only Southgate missed , and as for '98 v Argentina , if you watch the game on youtube you will see an Argentine defender punch the ball of Shearers head inside the Penalty box , result-no penalty , the only reason England lost that game was because of a biased referee . Red card for Beckham ! do me a favour , seen harder kicks from 5 year olds
And then getting knocked out by Iceland in 2016.
You missed three tournaments.
1972 (not there)
1976 (not there)
1980 (group stage)
The finals of Euros 72 & 76 weren't tournaments as such of course. Just the semis and final. It still really annoys me that 2016 was considered to be Wales' best Euros performance BEFORE they made the last four.
Bang on m8. I think its been said wev only ever won 8 games in knock out football that wasnt on home soil and most of them where Italia 90.
Taken us 26 years to produce technically gifted english youngsters. Finally it's happening
The press didn't help in all this, Taylor was treated appallingly it was a horrible time in English football, his wife was even abused and spat on, i always felt sorry for Graham it wasn't all his fault and even if it was there is no need for anyone to be treated like he was, its only a game!
San Marino's current record is 1-145-6 [23-638],they are 0-80-1 at the moment.1990-Present.
The Game against Holland prior to this game was a disgrace!! Ronald Kidman should have been sent off. The same man scored a free kick in a 2-0 loss for England. Let that sink in.
Then look forward to Euro 96, where Spain had two perfectly good goals disallowed and you'll see things evened themselves out
In 1991 Graham Kelly stated that The Premier League would help the England team , but with Sky's money pouring into it , it hasn't . Charimen want instant success so they buy foreign players , therefor the number of homegrown players coming through and playing in the Premier League is declining , so they go to lower league sides and don't always get spotted by bigger clubs (I mean no disrespect to lower league teams) .
That is why the England team will struggle for years to come
*You nailed it, mate!*
When San Marino scored, I was so primed as a kid by the media to expect such an English demolition job that I legit thought it must have been England who scored. Oh yeah, I( knew what colour both teams were in, I knew very well, but my brain couldn't comprehend the idea of SM scoring a goal, certainly not so early.
The next England manager after Taylor, sat in the studio talking about the next England Manager.
Motty absolutely nailing the casual racism there, not knowing the difference between Ferdinand and Wright for the whole first half!
Terry was right when he said Graham shouldn't have discarded those players. I was surprised Beardsley and Waddle were discarded and Taylor was never that keen on Gascoigne either. However, Jimmy Hill was spot on too. I have said for years England players were technically not as gifted as their foreign counterparts and that worked against them. They could rarely string 5 passes together. Although 30 years later, that has totally changed. Respect to the panel by the way. This was when we had proper pundits. Not the silly cartoon clown characters we get now.
Not exactly Taylor's fault that Gazza put himself out of action for a year with that ridiculous challenge in the FA Cup final, a fully fit Gazza throughout might have made a difference
In awe at the size of Jimmy Hills chin. What an absolute unit.
😁😂🤣🤣
what a beast
I wonder if Terry Venables knew that the fa were interested in him at this point 🤔
Jimmy Hill was right. Graham Taylor was caught between two types of football. Look at the some of the players he was choosing, like Carlton Palmer, players who shouldn't have been anywhere near an England shirt.
So Hill was right, there needed to be more resources at the time. But Taylor did not have the vision to bring through players like Teddy Sheringham who had the ability to unlock international defences. Taylor was not the right man to manage England post the 1990 world cup boom. I was surprised he was given the job at the time. England had a good squad of players in 1990 and by 1993 almost all were out of the England set up bar a few like Stewart Pearce, Platt and Des Walker. Guys like Beardlsey, Waddle, Paul Parker were still playing well. I can't remember if Mark Wright was available and not picked, or a long term injured. Wright should have been playing for England under Taylor.
Taylor by inclination wanted to play the long ball game but knew he would be crucified by the press and public.