Not quite surprised by most of the results. Europe's trucks need to have a high point of view for more precise steering, as their streets are narrower than US on average, and it's far more often 'regional' by US standards. Likewise, cab-overs have a better weight distribution unloaded, and Europe's weight limits go from roughly 10% (40 metric tonnes, just over 88,000 lbs) to 40% (112,000 lbs) above US standards. US is surprisingly a light hauler for gross weight, sitting at 80,000, or just over 36 metric tonnes. While just a theory, I could see European engines also having a little more torque as well-to help with the weights and to prevent as much of the performance drag that US trucks often seem to have, as US trucks are infamous in the States for being slow starters off traffic lights or stops in general. US has a focus on long-haul, with some mountainous terrain and driver comforts like sleeper cabins in this video. As streets are typically wider and/or allow for larger turning circles, it's not a big deal. This also is part of why the traction problems surface-while heavier, the weight's balanced far more forward when it's just the truck without a suitable trailer providing force downwards. It's also why the 'long haul' test actually suffered-with a caravan, it removed some of that weight for traction the truck could've used from a single trailer, like in the video, as multiple trailers balanced the weight a bit more away from its fifth wheel and the axles it sits astride. You can also see some of the design cues for accidents-because of winding mountain roads, safety's a concern with trucks running off of them or rolling off. While still an EU concern (Europe does have mountainous terrain, quite a bit of it), I'm relatively sure the EU likely has some safer roads-and more strict standards as far as vehicular safety.
The US also generally doesn't do long caravan trucks. The vast majority of semis only have one trailer (whether that's freight, fuel, liquid, flatbeds, or any other trailer type). You might find a few rare trucks with 2 trailers purpose-built to be linked together, but that tends to be the max. Hauling 8 trailers is entirely outside of their design specs. Same with the U-turn test: America's roads tend to be much wider, and often have grassy medians between the two opposing directions of traffic. It's far better to design the truck for long-term driving stability/comfort than to arbitrarily test its turning radius.
@@Dishbsmeosisusujsjsjs I don't think so because the USA truck had the engine in front of the cab so it was better at absorbing the energy of the impact.
lol this was interesting to watch from the perspective of one who has actually driven a Western Star IRL. Interesting factoids: the WS has vents that are too small, that are immovable, and thus are inadequate for defrosting windows because they don't actually point at side windows (key detail lol), they are heavier than other tractors by about 1000lbs, and the sleeper area is smaller (shorter and narrower) than other tractors. I hated driving a WS with every fiber of my being and was happy when my company put me in a regular ol' Freightshaker.
the secondary impact on the Volvo wall bang actually looked less bad than the Weststar one... Volvo still loses by a nose though. They should've thought of that and put a little nose cone on the front to win drag races better
That long haul test reminds me of the roadtrains we have out here in Aus. Would be cool to see the trucks they use for those be put through the carpal wringer
7:33 it is a draw. See the driver of volvo and Ws and conpare their positions. They both r at same position and due to longer bonet , the Ws seems to win although it is false
Drag races don't go off of where the person is, but when the front of the vehicle hits the line. They were both lined up at the start with the front bumpers at the starting line. The WS pulled away just a little.
You're assuming whoever modeled these trucks did so correctly, and that all of the values for traction, weight distribution, stiffness, and even things like gearing and power curves are correct.
I know this vid was mostly for fun i suppose, but it's not about which one is better. In europe the streets are thighter and therefor needs a shorter turning radius, but american streets are wider so they use a bit wider of a truning radius. (I know that you know it, and i hope it made sense to others)
@@blehbleh8552 but us mountains arent as twisted and uneve as the us , europe has uneven terain and there roads are tight and the flat front allows the to control the vehicle better so theyre more manouverable as the wheels are right underneath the cab, in the us the mountains are kinda smooth to climb up so all the truck in the us only need towing power to climb up the roads of mountains ,since theres not much of twisty roads
@@nerfgodbigguy1405 have you been on US mountain roads? They have tons of switch backs and twists in them. Now, you are correct about them being larger, which means the turns aren't as tight, but mountain roads are still a big deal for big semis.
@@blehbleh8552 yeah becuase the type they chose was suited to the jenericlong distance straight road driving ,usa has a magnificent highway network which discards the needs to use tricky roads and hard terrain unless the destination is located there. Theres a reason why its considered manditory that all truck load drop centres are always located on level, acessible ground for trucks ,because of the know difficulty of manouvering such a large vehicle
I think Western Star would have done better in the drag race if the trucks had actual semi trailers, the missing weight over its back wheels was a huge issue
In all seriousness, US Semis in the style of the Wester Star are designed so that their brakes and suspension work best when fully loaded- Bobtail Semis are known to have a longer stopping distance than a fully loaded Tractor Trailer and that's due to the suspension being so powerful that it actually means that an unloaded semi has less traction on the road. The first test wasn't an equivalent comparison since both trucks had the trailers attached to the rear of the frame rather than connected to the skid plate, so there wasn't any additional weight on the tires. In the uphill test you can see how much more effective the Wester Star is when the weight of the trailer is actually on the skid plate and wheels. Ultimately, comparing the 2 styles of semis doesn't really work well since they're designed for different environments- Wester Star-style Semis are meant for cross country trucking so things like turning radius aren't as high of a priority while Cabovers are designed for areas where the ability to maneuver is a necessity. It's like comparing a Pickup truck and a sedan- neither is inherently better than the other since they're designed with different aspects in mind. Still a good video and I'm probably just thinking about it so much because I'm currently going through schooling to get my CDL to drive Semis like the Wester Star
I mean I should expect the Volvo to outperform in the pull test. EU cabovers have more power for larger loads and stop-go traffic while US just needs to continue cruising.
After the uphill challenge, it makes me wonder if the reason the Volvo won the tow challenge all comes down to gearing, not that it produces more torque...? 🤔 _edit: and now seeing the tug of war, I'm not sure _*_what_*_ to think anymore... lol_
I think European trucks have more torque for countless accelerations of the varied landscapes, where American trucks are built for the looooooong roads through. Also, any test there depends on the overall quality of the mod. And I think that being hit from behind by your own load must be one of the biggest fears truckers face, I guess. And also could be a huge concern for truck and trailer manufacturers worldwide. But for that backstabbing issues, trailer makers also work a lot to prevent the heavy loads to send you to horny jail and the Hell.
So, you're tellin' me, out of all the American semi-trucks, you picked Western Star? Don't get me wrong, I like those trucks, but every American knows, if you're gonna compare trucks, you either use, International, Kenworth, or Peterbilt. :3 Ya know, just in case you decide to do another video on this. ^u^ Love the video.
Not quite surprised by most of the results. Europe's trucks need to have a high point of view for more precise steering, as their streets are narrower than US on average, and it's far more often 'regional' by US standards. Likewise, cab-overs have a better weight distribution unloaded, and Europe's weight limits go from roughly 10% (40 metric tonnes, just over 88,000 lbs) to 40% (112,000 lbs) above US standards. US is surprisingly a light hauler for gross weight, sitting at 80,000, or just over 36 metric tonnes. While just a theory, I could see European engines also having a little more torque as well-to help with the weights and to prevent as much of the performance drag that US trucks often seem to have, as US trucks are infamous in the States for being slow starters off traffic lights or stops in general.
US has a focus on long-haul, with some mountainous terrain and driver comforts like sleeper cabins in this video. As streets are typically wider and/or allow for larger turning circles, it's not a big deal. This also is part of why the traction problems surface-while heavier, the weight's balanced far more forward when it's just the truck without a suitable trailer providing force downwards. It's also why the 'long haul' test actually suffered-with a caravan, it removed some of that weight for traction the truck could've used from a single trailer, like in the video, as multiple trailers balanced the weight a bit more away from its fifth wheel and the axles it sits astride. You can also see some of the design cues for accidents-because of winding mountain roads, safety's a concern with trucks running off of them or rolling off. While still an EU concern (Europe does have mountainous terrain, quite a bit of it), I'm relatively sure the EU likely has some safer roads-and more strict standards as far as vehicular safety.
Geezus!…..
Thanks! 👍🏻
The US also generally doesn't do long caravan trucks. The vast majority of semis only have one trailer (whether that's freight, fuel, liquid, flatbeds, or any other trailer type). You might find a few rare trucks with 2 trailers purpose-built to be linked together, but that tends to be the max. Hauling 8 trailers is entirely outside of their design specs.
Same with the U-turn test: America's roads tend to be much wider, and often have grassy medians between the two opposing directions of traffic. It's far better to design the truck for long-term driving stability/comfort than to arbitrarily test its turning radius.
The cabover actually did a lot better in the wall test than I would have expected though
It did better than the USA one….
@@Dishbsmeosisusujsjsjs I don't think so because the USA truck had the engine in front of the cab so it was better at absorbing the energy of the impact.
Ok I guess but Volvo still better irl 😅
That's because the dummy's face absorbed most of the impact.
big rig is big rig lol
I literally laughed out loud when the Volvo yeeted all its tires in the rollover test.
Same 🤣
Same bro
Looked like Sonic losing his rings
Same 😆
lol this was interesting to watch from the perspective of one who has actually driven a Western Star IRL. Interesting factoids: the WS has vents that are too small, that are immovable, and thus are inadequate for defrosting windows because they don't actually point at side windows (key detail lol), they are heavier than other tractors by about 1000lbs, and the sleeper area is smaller (shorter and narrower) than other tractors. I hated driving a WS with every fiber of my being and was happy when my company put me in a regular ol' Freightshaker.
the secondary impact on the Volvo wall bang actually looked less bad than the Weststar one... Volvo still loses by a nose though. They should've thought of that and put a little nose cone on the front to win drag races better
They started in the same spot…
Western star. Glorified freightliner. I drive a freightliner every day. Very rarely do cabs get hit from the back like that. Good video
CarPal with his amazing content! We love you! very interesting results! (PS CARPAL WHAT MODS ARE THESE)
Probably would have been more fair to use a Peterbuilt or International instead of a Western Star.
probably wold have been more fair if the volvo didnt hvae aero dynamics like a brick
Western Star is an Australian brand
@@frankisfunny2007 So it was Europe vs Australia.
@@Bot_Mieeakkelthat’s how all European trucks are built, with the aerodynamics you stated, congrats, you are on to nothing 🎉🎉🎉
@@richnoob1625 no I'm just saying must of the the test was built for the American/Australian Trucks
That long haul test reminds me of the roadtrains we have out here in Aus. Would be cool to see the trucks they use for those be put through the carpal wringer
The long ones on private roads even have powered trailers with their own engines
Hey mate
@@CodenameGSDsReal g'day
Something tells me neither of these rigs are specced to real life.
Agreed, I just can‘t put my finger on it… oh wait they’re mods made by different people with different physics, but still, entertaining either way
I lost it when you commented that the Volvo truck driver was a Peugeot driver. 🤣
The GTA Vice City sound effects was nostalgic. 🥰
Should’ve used a peterbuilt, most American truck brand out there
there was none available that was remotely good to use :/
@@car_pal oh, there is a patreon mod I thought though
This is the new Top Gear/Grand Tour
Eagles and explosions pretty much sums up America
The long-awaited video from Car Pal!💙
CarPal! Its been so long since i watch your vids 😢 glad you are still uploading hilarious and silly content!
Looks like freedom can’t reverse 😂
You should do an Olympic games video with trailer curling and foot ball.
2:20: “Best way to scratch an itch” got me dying 😂🤣
"may freedom be with you!"
(with the us anthem playing)
(then gun fire and explosions in the background) xD
The end drift of the Western Star... Optimus Prime would be proud of that save
I wonder why you didn't attach the trailers to the fifth wheel in the first competition. Great video!
Thx car pal for providing great content as usual.
The music going away after it hits the Volvo makes it even funnier
Nice transitions 🤘 Totally caught me by surprise
Western star is Canadian though…
7:33 it is a draw. See the driver of volvo and Ws and conpare their positions. They both r at same position and due to longer bonet , the Ws seems to win although it is false
Drag races don't go off of where the person is, but when the front of the vehicle hits the line. They were both lined up at the start with the front bumpers at the starting line. The WS pulled away just a little.
And William Simpson the Western Star 57X, wins the unconventional semi truck test challenge!
You're assuming whoever modeled these trucks did so correctly, and that all of the values for traction, weight distribution, stiffness, and even things like gearing and power curves are correct.
not really meant to be a super realistic comparison
It's a rigged competition! American trucks are fantastic, Kenworth above all... But the Volvo, it's Volvo, no fuss! 😁Hi from Spaghettiland, man!
had me a good chuckle when all the wheels flew off
The American outro was perfect
The power of Sweden
I pick the one with the room and bed included!
Next time try one of these two all American big rigs Peterbuilt and Kenworth . Have a nice day.
A better truck to represent America would’ve been Peterbilt since it’s actually owned by an American company
8:09 is amazing
I love this channel
03:24 - maniac.....
hows it going! 😊 i love the videos so much
ATS vs ETS both in a 3rd game
At 6:34 I swear that's Daft Punk's Hard Better Faster Stronger playing or something just that similar.
2:40 that looks devious 💀
Good stuff as always! Keep 'em coming!
I know this vid was mostly for fun i suppose, but it's not about which one is better. In europe the streets are thighter and therefor needs a shorter turning radius, but american streets are wider so they use a bit wider of a truning radius.
(I know that you know it, and i hope it made sense to others)
Only in this video and on your dreams! 😂😂
That was fun ! Seems that american trucks are much better at things that never happen, well done 'muricah !
You gotta test it with equal power, it’s obvious in these tests that the Volvo has more power and a substantial torque advantage
Tbh the hill test got me, having in mind that european trucks are made to whitstand mountains i expected volvo to perform better
Theyre mods so dont take result too seriously
The US is covered in mountains too, so trucks here need to be able to withstand mountain roads as well.
@@blehbleh8552 but us mountains arent as twisted and uneve as the us , europe has uneven terain and there roads are tight and the flat front allows the to control the vehicle better so theyre more manouverable as the wheels are right underneath the cab, in the us the mountains are kinda smooth to climb up so all the truck in the us only need towing power to climb up the roads of mountains ,since theres not much of twisty roads
@@nerfgodbigguy1405 have you been on US mountain roads? They have tons of switch backs and twists in them. Now, you are correct about them being larger, which means the turns aren't as tight, but mountain roads are still a big deal for big semis.
@@blehbleh8552 yeah becuase the type they chose was suited to the jenericlong distance straight road driving ,usa has a magnificent highway network which discards the needs to use tricky roads and hard terrain unless the destination is located there.
Theres a reason why its considered manditory that all truck load drop centres are always located on level, acessible ground for trucks ,because of the know difficulty of manouvering such a large vehicle
Haha of course the euro would lose in the wall challenge! 😂🤣😂🤦🏼♂️
No it won't europeans trucks are made with strict standards so its same as american.
No it won't europeans trucks are made with strict standards so its same as american.
No it won't europeans trucks are made with strict standards so its same as american.
No it won't europeans trucks are made with strict standards so its same as american.
No it won't europeans trucks are made with strict standards so its same as american.
Perhaps you can do another one of these tests with a Hino or Isuzu truck to represent Japan.
I think Western Star would have done better in the drag race if the trucks had actual semi trailers, the missing weight over its back wheels was a huge issue
Volvo cheated on the first test by violating the EU restriction for overall length. :v
In all seriousness, US Semis in the style of the Wester Star are designed so that their brakes and suspension work best when fully loaded- Bobtail Semis are known to have a longer stopping distance than a fully loaded Tractor Trailer and that's due to the suspension being so powerful that it actually means that an unloaded semi has less traction on the road. The first test wasn't an equivalent comparison since both trucks had the trailers attached to the rear of the frame rather than connected to the skid plate, so there wasn't any additional weight on the tires. In the uphill test you can see how much more effective the Wester Star is when the weight of the trailer is actually on the skid plate and wheels.
Ultimately, comparing the 2 styles of semis doesn't really work well since they're designed for different environments- Wester Star-style Semis are meant for cross country trucking so things like turning radius aren't as high of a priority while Cabovers are designed for areas where the ability to maneuver is a necessity. It's like comparing a Pickup truck and a sedan- neither is inherently better than the other since they're designed with different aspects in mind.
Still a good video and I'm probably just thinking about it so much because I'm currently going through schooling to get my CDL to drive Semis like the Wester Star
how did europe win te first dragrace cuz of more torque, but then lose the uphill one and the one without load?? doesn't really make sense
Do it again with an Australian-spec semi as Contestant number Three
cab over vs normal t series video when
Yes USA Yesss! 🇺🇸🦅🔥
Tbh volvo is made for high horsepower than USA due to the mountainous road while USA made for torque cuz pretty much all landscape in USA is flat
is this me or this video coincides with muye's 0.31 update video?
Wow , nice video 👌👌
nah you gotta go peter teh horse is herebuilt
I mean I should expect the Volvo to outperform in the pull test. EU cabovers have more power for larger loads and stop-go traffic while US just needs to continue cruising.
I feel like freightliner or peterbuilt would be more "American" I live in the USA and don't think I've ever heard of westar lol
2:18 “Best way to scratch an itch…” on the 🔞!
Where I can get German truck mods for beamng? At the official site?
You forgot breaking performances in which Volvo wins easily. Volvo all the way !
damn wish they used a Brockway instead of western star that etroit would have put that vovlo to shame XD
6:58 Yay, me
Damn that's far though.
The most american outro i have ever seen
After the uphill challenge, it makes me wonder if the reason the Volvo won the tow challenge all comes down to gearing, not that it produces more torque...? 🤔
_edit: and now seeing the tug of war, I'm not sure _*_what_*_ to think anymore... lol_
This vid gave me a semi
Western Star had a lot more resistance that the cabover
Like, the cab didn’t fly off
1:55 lol, nothing important was lost
I think European trucks have more torque for countless accelerations of the varied landscapes, where American trucks are built for the looooooong roads through.
Also, any test there depends on the overall quality of the mod. And I think that being hit from behind by your own load must be one of the biggest fears truckers face, I guess. And also could be a huge concern for truck and trailer manufacturers worldwide. But for that backstabbing issues, trailer makers also work a lot to prevent the heavy loads to send you to horny jail and the Hell.
1st no way (Indeed) 😢
We dont care about you being first man.
No Way Indeed (You Actually Weren't First)
pt II in 2025: Volvo vs Tesla semi
Should have used a peterbuilt
WHAT ABOUT CANANA?!?!
where do you find these brand/high quality vehicles in beamng do you make them yourself?
Im top ten yay
you should make a tutorial for AI paths because i cant find a good tutorial on youtobe and i really want to make stuff like you
Long haul and tow off are actually the same.
So, you're tellin' me, out of all the American semi-trucks, you picked Western Star? Don't get me wrong, I like those trucks, but every American knows, if you're gonna compare trucks, you either use, International, Kenworth, or Peterbilt. :3 Ya know, just in case you decide to do another video on this. ^u^ Love the video.
chief I don't think anyone will survive a 25 ton slab of concrete at the back of the head.
TEST DOOGE HELLCAT VS DOOGE CHALEMGER WHO IS BETTER???
Car pal, what mods did you use in this vid? Thanks.
10 min club👇👇👇🍞
likes: us people
dislikes: european people
now bring in cyber truck against these trucks
Europe❤
Volvo>Western Star
Guess Volvo cars are safer than it's semis 😂
But you compared a brand new Western Star to a 2008 Volvo
the last contests name was kind of out of pocket ngl...
What was the game name i forgot...
hello 23 seconds publication
For me is 30 minutes
32 minutes
9 days
Shoulda used a Kenworth or a Peterbrilt for the USA.
1. You compared old and new truck
2. In wall also western was bad
3. in photo finish you took photo with angle not perpendicular to line
0 axle pressure lol
Hiiii still no views on counter