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The Awful Sopranos Prequel
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I feel so bad for saying it, but Bill Hader's take on Sil in that SNL skit felt more natural than Magaro's.
I don’t envy Magaro, cause Steven Van Zandt played Silvio really big, but yeah, it comes off as an impression, and I really hate the whole thing with his hair. I did like the scene at the end where he talks to Dicky, but yeah it mostly comes off as an impression. Billy Magnussen as Paulie however, I thought did an excellent job
@@aidankeohane3370 felt the same to me an impression of Paulie thats all it was
Umm how old is Silvio exactly? I thought Silvio was like 10 maybe 15 years older than Tony? But here he seems to be his late thirties early forties? Like he was already balding in the 70’s?
@@suburbanweekend I started balding at 20 lmao balding doesn’t mean shit really
@@suburbanweekend Fun Little Steven/Sopranos fact: Steve van Zandt got into a major car accident when he was younger, it did major damage to his scalp. There’s 1 b&w photo of him without a babushka in the 70s. He literally never takes it off.
Him balding young is a nod to the show due to how noticeable Silvio’s hairpiece was, Especially when he was in that coma lol.
All the pieces are there for a really strong miniseries but the worst thing the movie did was try to cram all of the subplots into a 2hr runtime..made for an entertaining but very messy prequel
Dya think it might've worked as a mini series?
I absolutely agree!
That's no excuse for piss poor writing.
Entertaining? This movie was like a bad pilot episode for a prequel series.
@@danielcardiff3861 yes
This review has the makings of a varsity athlete.
Write something original next time.
@@balabanasireti calm down lmao
You are a hero. I laughed out loud. Shinebox Nation lives!
It really doesn’t though… :/
@@balabanasireti shut up
Young Sil was like a bad SNL impression of the character.
Agreed. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, but Silvio kept pissing me off. It was so bad.
I'm going to pretend that was Sil's dad or another dude named Sil that was wacked before the show started. The acting was horrible.
The racial aspect in this film was absurd. To make that such a large aspect of the plot was unnecessary. And I’m a black guy lol
Yeah it looks like they had to pad out the script by shoe horning that in!
r/AsABlackMan
Yeah, like everyone wanted to see what Tony was up to as a teenager and how the Jersey Mob was ran in the 70s, instead we had a Race War Movie with a little bit of Tony Soprano.
So true and almost ruined it.
Do y’all not get that’s just the era and timeframe during this movie? Thats been spoken about in the sopranos before. It’s a valid piece of the cinematic history with Harold and dickie.
The entire movie should have been focused on Dickie and Tony, and the tagline of 'Who Made Tony Soprano?' Should have been the actual theme of the movie. Cut out the unnecessary subplots, maybe keep him visiting his father or uncle in prison and none of that twin idiocy. Dickie should have been portrayed as a villain protagonist who was actually actively teaching Tony to be a young criminal and having him do work for him. Seeing and taking advantage of Tony's need for a father figure, and being charming and kind to him, a Ralph type, like what Ralph did with Jackie Jr (which could play into why he despises Ralph so much in the series, unconsciously recognizing the real Dickie in him, a two faced predator preying on a young man's need of guidance), while really not giving much of a shit about Tony, just using him for his own ends and business. Show him degenerate from the seemingly suave, charming, good looking guy and rising star he was in the 60's, taking on the New England Crew single handed, to a degenerate junkie in the 70's who gets himself killed by the family for becoming a liability. In keeping with all of Tony's role models actually being scumbags, once he takes off the rose colored lenses. Christopher flat out tells Tony as much about his father in the show, and he seems taken aback by it, because he's been deluding himself for years over the kind of man Dickie was. Tony realizing his father/mentor figures he looked up to were all bastards who doomed him to a life of crime and misery was part of why he went off the deep end in the last season. It was like the movie couldn't commit to making Dickie the awful person he almost certainly was meant to be in the show, had to try to make him sympathetic like Tony, and was too caught up in its political agenda and tried to do too much in such a short time that they missed the entire point. All the material for a good prequel was already there in the series for David Chase, anyone could have written it properly, and he lost focus and tripped over himself instead.
hell yeah
I disagree. The "twin idiocy" is a running theme in Sopranos, it shows up with Patsi and Philly Parisi (arguably the most important subplot in the DeMeo family from the perspective of Tony's assassination). It also shows up with the kids of that animal Blundetto. Somebody who has the exact same DNA but a different perspective is a window into new possibilities with those we lost. That wasn't lazy writing, it was Chase trying to do some insightful "Oedipus Rex" commentary with too little time. Also I think that making Dickie into an outright despicable person would have had the opposite effect. We are supposed to see the ambiguity in Dickie that hooked us to Tony in the earlier seasons. It was actually Tony's own father who saw him as somebody cut out for the life, who recognized another sociopathic killer in the making with his own son. And that's why Tony's relationship with his uncle is supposed to be more meaningful than that with his own father, who is shown as an unlovable and shitty father in "Many Saints." I agree that there are problems with this movie but they have to do with shoehorning too many ideas into a limited format, not necessarily with the ideas themselves.
@@sundjatamb3061 Some good points there. The twin thing was done decently and restrained in the show though, better pacing obviously, and wasn't on the nose and soap operaesque, complete with a love triangle. The Oedipus Rex thing was unnecessary, was already done and explored with Tony, doesn't need to apply to Dickie as well. There's more to psychology that can be explored than basic Freudian stuff. I mean, was Chase really trying to tell us that Dickie wouldn't have gotten a lot of shit from everyone else in the family for making his father's widow, his own step mother, his goomah? They didn't even bat an eye at that? Paulie would have mocked Dickie relentlessly, which would have been hilarious and awesome to see. The ambiguity could have been done better too, if not having Dickie being depicted as a more outright evil character, but at no point does he even take Tony under his wing and teach him anything about the life of crime. Barely spends any time with him. Is not active and attentive towards him, is as distant to him as his own parents are, nothing separates him from them that would have Tony considering him a mentor years later. All he does is talk to him now and again, give him some stolen speakers and mostly ignores him. But yes, this all should have been a mini series that could have explored the themes and threads and characters with the time they required to breath and expand, instead of a bunch of disjointed vignettes crammed together in two hours. To me what was most important was that they needed to sell the Tony and Dickie relationship, make me believe it, and they didn't accomplish that for me. I hate to see wasted potential.
@@thelaw6267 points were made
It would've worked better as a tv series. There's more to tell.
Another issues is this film doesn't sell 60s-70s feel, from clothes to acting, it always feels like modern day people dressed in a supposedly timey style.
100%. That's also one reason why the Harold subplot was so terrible - it was clearly an expy of modern BLM zeitgeist sentiments retroactively inserted into the past. I'm almost surprised they didnt actually have Harold say "Black Lives Matta, mutha f*cka" at some point and make it as if he coined the phrase. The whole movie was a shame - Michael Gandolfini did good for his part, but the rest of the movie was pretty terrible.
@@WhatAHorribleNight > I'm almost surprised they didnt actually have Harold say "Black Lives Matta, mutha f*cka" at some point
If somebody said this at a production meeting, David Chase would have put it in.
@@WhatAHorribleNight Yup. Black people had absolutely nothing to complain about back then. Make America great again bitch!
@@REDEEMERWOLF Right on, brother! God bless America!
Honestly I think the superclean ultramegacrisp generic blueish tinted look that this movie and all the movies (especially you Netflix originals) made these past 10 years look like, of course the acting itself plays into it but the props and clothes and set overall I think are well made yet it feels so strangely modern.
When "Saturday Night Live" arguably did a better job at looking into Tony Soprano's teenage years than the Canon prequel film did!
lol that's quite the delusional take
Not really.
Still haven't been able to view much of James Gandolfini IRL interviews bc I'm a crybaby lol Michael his baby I don't wna seem like a weirdo but he's amazing and I can do better I'm sure lol 💕
It’s not Tony’s movie
Lol so many tasteless keyboard warriors defending such a shitty movie. Sad.
Should have been an 8 part mini series.
No, it shouldn’t have been made at all.
@@arisumegohearing a sopranos remake sounds awesome but with all the remakes these days from the originals there just bound to be horrible
A bit off topic, but I thought it was really weird that Junior telling "all the girl-cousins" that Tony didn't have the makings of a varsity athlete weighed so heavy on him in the show, yet when it happens in the movie he doesn't even seem to notice it.
No topic is too off topic when it comes to Sopranos. Not even Yo-Yo Mendez, or half and half in the backseat lady. But yeah, I always act like I don't notice things that embarras me. Seemed like a natural reaction for him ignore it rather than draw attention to it by getting defensive. Also maybe it got to him more after he learned he didn't have the makings of one. Things like that can take a while to start fucking with you. One thing we can all agree on, the movie should've been about Yo-Yo Mendez, or at least the guy who yelled "Oh shit" when Philly's head was smashed. Now those two had the makings of a varsity origin story.
@Jimmy Hollywood Sometimes things don't really start to bother you until later. They have a way of eating away at you. Sounds to me like you went in wanting to hate it but to each their own. At least I get to enjoy it, salude.
@@thecinephiliac4034 They could have made that come across with Tony noticing the remark but ignoring it or something, the way it's played in the movie he seems completely unfazed, like he didn't even hear it.
@@thecinephiliac4034 I agree with him. You seem like you want to make excuses for bad writing. He has a point here, there are ways to show a character doing something subtle like appearing to ignore a comment from someone else but in reality getting really offended by it. The character doesn't even need to say anything. A simple look tells the audience all we need to know. That's good writing/acting/directing. This movie failed at a lot of things including that. Of course people are let down and kinda pissed off that the movie wasn't very good. We waited almost 3 years for the thing and then it finally drops and it sucks. We were excited for something to have even half the quality that The Sopranos had and then watched it have zero. The fanbase is loyel to their capo but how much betrayal can we take!?
@@copheart nah nah nah to each their own
This might be nit-picky but as someone who lives in NJ, it kinda throws me off that the cars use the newer present day license plates. Jersey plates were white and blue pre- 1990's. You even see old people with them still sometimes.
Didn’t notice that. I was too busy marveling at the period-correct JBL Lancer 77’s Tony was tossing out the window 😆 Seems like they went the extra mile to get those hideous prairie skirts and other early 1970’s props. License plates would have been easy
SAME lol
Nah you're not nitpicking. If I saw modern license plates in a movie set in the 50s, I'd be pretty annoyed too
I hated Chris's voice as a narrative device. As soon as I heard it, I knew that the movie was going to suck.
Lol same here. They just needed so bad to rip off Goodfellas with the most unnecessary narration in movie history.
Y'all are just nitpicking at this point
@@basedchrist7797 Have a cookie, you’re delirious. It’s an immensely overrated prequel that completely pales in comparison to the show.
it was nice hearing his voice for the first 30 seconds maybe but after that it did suck
@@kaj7135 nobody is saying it was as good as the show. Jumping to the conclusion that something sucks in the first thirty seconds is reactionary BS. You've gotta take media in before you can analyze it, you basically just admitted that you went into this movie wanting to hate it.
After I watched the move all I could think was "I thought David Chase was a good writer..." then I realized how incredibly different the skill sets are that are warranted for storytelling on TV vs storytelling in film. He just doesn't know how to write a movie I guess.
I keep hearing "this should have been a miniseries", but I don't think this should have been at all - period. Writing was bad, acting was mostly bad, storyline was bad... They should have just left the series alone.
Micheal Gandolfini made it all worth it..to see him looking like a young version of his dad was worth the price of admission IMO
He looks nothing like his dad. The movie wasnt about him. They put em in so people would watch it
Kid looked like a grade A creep. Sorry,Jimmy.
@@thejman8734 his eyebrows are thicker, but besides that his son is literally his father
Havent heard a better explanation. Felt 100% the same but couldnt put it into words
All I know is David Chase never had the makings of a varsity filmmaker.
Haha clever!!
1) HBO gets a beloved IP (Sopranos, Watchmen.)
2) They make the entire thing about race riots instead of the beloved IP.
3) ???
4) Profit?
Chase specifically wanted to write about that race riot for 25 years because he remembers it as a central event in his Jersey childhood. HBO didn’t make him shoo horn that in
@@joegibbskins Then he should have made a movie about it. He clearly wanted to repeat what Watchmen did for the Tulsa riots.
@@BlazingOwnager he’s been talking about making a movie about it for thirty years but it never came together. He sets a movie in the late 60s in Newark and of course it has to deal with the change in the neighborhood. That change is addressed several times in the show itself. Also the original watchmen movie sucked harder than the mediocre show so I don’t know what you are complaining about
You could tell that the riots and race stuff was shoe-horned in to make it woke enough. The movie would have flowed better if that story line had been removed and more time spent with the actual families.
Being that those things were actually happening in Newark during time line of the story, I just think Chase tried to expand the view of Newark and organized crime which did involve more than just Italians.. I dont think it was worked in well but it had nothing to do with being woke or not. The guy didnt make up history he just didnt execute his vision well.
Agreeing with the comment below. The race riots actually happened and are part of the setting of 70's Newark.
Being "woke" isn't the root problem. It's a symptom of prequals being aimless cash grabs.
Agreed. I see other commenters saying things like, "But the race riots actually happened!" So what? The important thing is, did their inclusion in this movie along with the entire black subplot actually make sense? Did it feel like it furthered the story and enriched the plot? Definitely not. By the end of the movie, I felt like I had basically watched two films that had tenuous connections with each other - very disjointed and not a good thing. What made it worse was that the black subplot was clearly meant to pander to white liberals with modern BLM sensibilities. It wasn't even a compelling story on its own, just a modern liberal religious parable dressed in 70s era clothing. I half-expected them to depict a young George Floyd skipping along with a lollipop at some point. Anyway, it was completely shoehorned into the plot. Big waste of time.
@@WhatAHorribleNight I think Chase knows a good portion of his audience are people like you as well. Non liberal or whatever label people like to use. I agree with you that is was totally disjointed but the George Floyd joke makes it evident that you would see it one way no matter what the realities of the intent were.. Some people find a polarized political, social and cultural argument in anything. You would probably think the Bible shoehorned in stories about caring for the poor and disenfranchised to seem "woke". people are gonna see what they want..not whats real.
I disagree. The movie takes place within a certain historical context, not in a vacuum.
You know what the Sopranos show needed but didn’t have? Slam poetry at a Black Panther meeting.
Ohhhh Charles Schwab ovah heeeuur!
Wake up Nigga!!!
This should have been a one off series rather than a film. And it should have been more focused; this was simply all over the place.
In that case it just shouldn’t have been made. Why anyone thinks this garbage would be better because it’s stretched out into ten hours of garbage instead of 2 I’ll never know.
@@BBeowulf I'll enlighten you. If it was a mini series you have more room to tell a better story, a different story. More time to develop proper characters. More time to tell a good story. Not everything has to have a film spinoff.
Should’ve been a limited series instead of a movie.
Due to the success on hbomax it might get a sequel miniseries
@@husker4life109 its going to be about Harold and how he cucks out all of the jersey fit
It needed more Harold and African music.
Movie should have been about young junior and how much of a mastermind he was, not a buffoon
I don't know what show you watched but Junior was never a mastermind. He was a petty, weak, jealous follower with delusions of leadership. That's what he was in The Sopranos and that's what he was in The Many Saints of Newark.
The most disappointing movie of the year for me.
This movie was really disappointing
i went into it w low expectations and was pleasantly surprised by some of the performances, the cinematography was amazing and the costumes were awesome too. from a technical standpoint the film is decent, but it doesnt feel like the sopranos, and it weirdly required the viewer to have seen the entire show to actually get what was going on. honestly feels like failed fan service. and also sil's actor was FUCKING TRASH lmfao
The part that bugs me the most is how great the title is… Many Saints = Moltisanti
Excellent title, terrible movie. Womp womp.
Damn I didn't catch that.
I read that what David Chase wanted to make was a movie about the riots that took place in Newark.
But the network or studio or whatever would only make a deal with him and give him financing if he made the project about the Sopranos.
So he had to rework his original idea, which was where his real passion lay.
The first time I saw the trailer I actually thought it was a new miniseries. There were so many characters, multiple aged Tonys, my brain was just like "Yeah, you're not fitting that in a movie." What a completely disjointed affair. I actually couldn't believe it they wrapped up Harold's character in a credit scene. And spoiling Chris's death in the first 30 seconds of the movie just to get a little Imperioli narrating was a real shock.
Movie was "okay" - but it would have benefited more so as a one off series - they crammed about 6 hours worth of story into a 2 hour movie.
We all over rated David Chase.
Chris' hat at 2:22 needs it's own IMDB page...
A canopy on top of a canopy
Wasn't awful. Wasn't amazing either. Just slightly below average. Had many good points. Defo needs to become a miniseries to flesh out the actors and themes
Offf madone. Great review. I do wonder if I wasnt a Sopranos fan if I would have flat out walked out of the cinema when Ray Liotta appeared again. I was genuinely happy when the first character he was playing got killed as I wouldn't need to see him in any more scenes.
lmfao
Yes I thought Liotta was terrible. Should have saved the money and hired a lesser know actor who could act.
It’s spelled “marone”. JFC.
@@josephaulisio9281 pretty sure it's madone but sounds like they're saying marone.
@@henrychiarkas4415 Agreed. I don't even think his second role contributed to the overall story, could have just took it out completely.
I’ve got a lot of complaints about this movie shared by the video. So I also want to call out how badly the trailers lied framing this as a Tony Sopranos origin movie ... when it clearly isn’t. I might have been okay with that if the movie we still got was good though
David Chase did do a ton of interviews saying that he didn’t want them to do that but HBO wanted to market it that way for obvious reasons and they paid for it
Well if you watched even 1 of the many interviews with David Chase you would have heard him say it was NOT a Tony Soprano origin story.
Why doesn't anyone talk about Paulie Walnuts's character?
Bc he wasn't developed and kind of just there.....
Because it was stupid and corny
I keep repeating it but I’m pretty sure I’m right. The Harold role was supposed to be tony and what transpired w him and dickie in his 20s. Then I bet a rewrite kept gandolfini in the film longer and added a diverse role……but made no sense
i totally agree with the race riots. i feel like he had a message that he was trying to convey that clashed with already trying to tell multiple side stories at once. like damn your makin it political now too? i feel like it didnt even showcase how tony became evil / psychopathic. how is THAT the guy you went to hell for, hes just a kid! Yea just not well done at all. really enjoyed your video, i can tell you love the show bc that was the BEST analysis of the ending ive ever heard lol. feel the same way man.
This "movie" was nothing but a meaningless fan service trip and a cuckold fetish for one of the writers. Dickie wasn't anything like he was supposed to be, all of the characters felt like they were just guys in costumes parodying Sopranos characters, there was no story at all and finally Dickie dies for an absolutely ridiculous "reason".
What a disaster.
I'm not saying that this movie proves that David Chase is clueless at what he's doing
but I always thought he gets too much credit for how good the show did in terms of Writing
specially since I know a couple of the writers that show a lot of the episodes of the show and I'm 99% sure those writers are the reason why the show was so good
this movies kinda proves that David Chase is not the main reason for the show's success, it's the writers.
Happens all the time
I liked the movie, but also I’m a huge sopranos fan so really anything this far out is nice to see. Did it blow my mind? No. Will I rewatch it when I binge Sopranos? Maybe
2:43 TFS I think now, 🤔 Tony maybe could not reveal to us his flashbacks about Dickie possibly due to the fact that the memory of him was happy or sweetly special, never to be recaptured that sorta love? Aww. 💖
sounds like you tolerated the movie more than liking it.
I enjoyed it too. I’m not sure what people expect sometimes, perfection maybe? I didn’t. It’s not quite as good as the Breaking Bad prequel movie, but I was glued 90 percent of the time. The girl getting whacked was unnecessary, I will say that.
I'm bingeing Sopranos now currently in Season 4 - its kinda cool to see them mention some of the stuff you see in the movie. Tony totally lied to Chris about who killed his father - the cop he killed that Tony told him did it had no clue what he was talking about - Tony just made it up to get Christopher to trust him a little more.
@@Longenecker1776another movie that sucked and is hated is your comparison? I think you just have terrible taste in cinema
it's an amazing point you make that Christopher's narration undermines the "cut to black" theme of the show. Really interesting point
This is basically a movie about the NY riots .....that got morphed into a sopranos movie halfway thru
Having Gandolfini's son play the young Tony Soprano was a total disaster. Likewise that ridiculous Silvio caricature. What a sh*tshow.
11:44 = They also retconned Silvio's age.
The movie tries way too hard to reference the show. The characters force in their mannerisms like Junior repeatedly saying "Your sisters c**t" and Paulie playing with the wings in his hair. It's trying to point out who these characters are and we wouldn't be able to work it out ourselves.
Furio: "I ATTE THS MOVIE".
I knew something was wrong when the marketing leaned heavy on Sapranos nostalgia. It felt very Hollywood. Strange for David Chase
David chase didn't want that. That was the Hollywood producers decision. Chase was angry about it. You can hear him say it on the talking sopranos podcast
Frankly, I'm depressed and ashamed
This film did not follow the timeline. Tony Soprano was born in 1959. The film took place between 1967 and 1971. Tony would have been between the ages of 8 and 12. He was portrayed as a high school student in the movie. Also, Silvio was supposed to be a couple of years older than Tony, yet he was portrayed as being the same age as Paulie.
The reason why this movie fails: David Chase wasn't fully in control of it due to real life things which took him out of the project right when he was about to be taking the bull by the horns
You are so wrong the film is so good! I’ve watched it 3 times! For real long time Soprano fans this was like catnip! Brilliant!
Performances, style and tone were there. Its just suffering from being a movie and not a show.
Yeah, terrible prequel. Very disappointing. Whatever magic the show had, this didn't have it. It's the Sopranos' Godfather 3. And what was up with how dark and gloomy it looked? Even the daylight scenes felt like they were lit with fluorescent bulbs. It's interesting to me that the creators of Deadwood, another HBO show with lots of nuance, expansive subplots, and memorable minor characters, managed to pull off a really good movie that was almost universally well received by critics and fans.
I’m still confused as to what Chase was attempting to accomplish with this prequel. It felt completely soulless and boring.
Have to agree, really liked the Deadwood film, wrapped things up nicely. Many Saints was terrible film, I was wondering why it was so gloomy, at first I thought it was out of focus or something!
@@billsimms2511 for sure. At the end of the day I learned nothing from the movie and still don't know what caused Tony to be Tony. Hell we didn't even see a glimpse of his trajectory. I enjoyed the movie but it was disappointing.
They should have had Tony missing that fly ball against mountains lakes
Junior was afraid to face his friends
They billed this as The Making Of Tony Soprano but we barely see Tony. Why wasn't there a solid, linear B plot with him getting into trouble? They had every opportunity to do something similar to the AJ B plots, or to even call back to one, but outside of him gambling on the morning announcements... We don't get much. I'm okay with this being about Dickie, truly, and I thought he was a good character... But a lot of what he was bringing to the table was just rehashings of Tony in ways that don't show clear influence (the mommy issues, for example).
I also think you're completely right... Most characters felt like impressions in ways that seemed to not take the show itself, or the mafia genre, seriously. Which isn't a topic I'm not going to jump into via a youtube comment but, the source material knew exactly how and when to reguard the topics and people it portrays. Many Saints did not. You can't address racism and police brutality in one scene, and then have the absolute worst silvio impression in the next.
He wasn’t wacked. Noah punched his lights out!
There is big brain work going on… just like entire final episode of Sopranos, MSON is another of Tony’s dreams. MSON is also an homage to the dreamy Mulholland Drive and it contains elements of meta cinema. Just like Made in America, MSON offers a peak inside Tony’s head… MIA deals with Tony’s final dream as he dies from stress induced heart attack… trust me, that’s correct. MSON is a glimpse inside Tony’s head most likely when under influence of peyote shortly after killing Christopher (Many Saints) Moltisanti. Tony’s MSON dream is based on his (often faulty) childhood and teenage memories… all of Tony’s preoccupations are dealt with. It ends with his realisation that just as Dicky allowed himself to be sucked into the horrors of mob life leading eventually to a bullet in the head, so Tony must accept the same fate as he also has chosen a life of crime… he may not have had the makings of a varsity athlete, but Tony could have gotten out of the mob life at a young age, but instead embraced it and was forced to live with the bloody consequences and the emptiness, loss and lack of joy that are inevitable when evil is deliberately chosen.
Biggest let down... David chase clearly didn't put his skills into making this sad ass sequel
The only thing they added from sopranos, was the gunshot to livias hair that is told in season 6. Dickies drug problem is touched (such as heroin). I dunno.. it was made by someone who has only ever watched sopranos, once..
I will say, The Sopranos, while grounded and having more “magical realism” or contradictory explanations/“outs” for its ambiguous views as you say, did have some supernatural elements for sure.
Pauline and the psychic? There’s literally never an explanation the show provides and it’s very creepy. Not to mention if you take Tony’s coma dream as more literal than dream.
But I agree, the narration by Christopher takes away something. Like… the literal Hell exists in this universe? I preferred the more ambiguous and unclear supernatural elements of the show.
I did think the Liotta character fit that mold well. Not only was he actually pretty hilarious, but he has that moment where he kinda disappears randomly and you wonder if any of those scenes were real or not.
Not going to lie, I fucking liked the film. Was it perfect? Obviously not. I never expected the film to be able to live up to the show. To me the show was not only the perfect tv series, but the perfect story ever told in any format. But the film left me satisfied. Just having more in the universe was great to me. Maybe Im too big of a fan boy but I just want to let David Chase take the wheel even if he does things I don't 100% like. That's kind of his style. Im hoping that this will be like the series ending and people will come around. I remember being the only person I knew who liked it back in 2007. As you said, now most people like the ending but back then, even when I explained what it meant, people thought I was crazy. I like a lot of the things he did with the film, especially the prison visits with Uncle Sal, which I and many other fans think are just fantasies. I get the urge to nitpick, I like to nitpick myself but also like to chill out and enjoy the films for what they are, cheeseburgers as opposed to prime rib. Even the best cheeseburger (Many Saints) is shit if you compare it to prime rib (The Sopranos). Maybe Many Saints just appealed to my personal taste too much. Chris has always been my favorite so a film centered around his father is almost a custom order for me. I would've prefered tie in novels but apart from that, a Dickie Moltisanti film would be my top choice. Anyway if you are still reading this oversized comment, I hope you do come around later, either way I'm glad this is causing discussion and debate in the fanbase. David Chase's work does sometimes have to grow on people. If not maybe the next Sopranos tie ins will be bad enough to make you like it. Much like the Start Wars sequels did for the prequels in the majority of fans. Even though I am no fan of the sequels, I'm not one of those prequel flip-floppers, as I can't even finish the prequels without skipping scenes.
SW prequels were fine. Episode 3 was the best.
@@JoeyMartz Gotta disagree there. They werre terribile and three had a few cool scenes. It's two turds and then a turd covered in some ketchup.
I hate that they used "grey" and "yellow" filters for the mood.
I don't think it's at all clear that Tony gets popped. A principal theme of the last part of the show was about how life goes on. You yourself said it: "The finale's just another day in the life." Tony looks up and sees Meadow coming in, they all sit down and have dinner. And on and on it goes...
@@tui8674 Lol. "Nobody could possibly disagree with _my_ opinion!"
@Leafs20XXChamps That's speculation, like everything else concerning the ending.
How could they get this wrong? All they had to do was follow the same formula as any of the 86 episodes (each one was more or less a movie). To use the excuse there was no James Gandolfini etc is rubbish. The casting in the Sopranos series was to simply use actors from a succusful mafia film. The story or plot was the worse. No need for shootouts or expensive explosions.Just make it like a Sopranos episode and your halfway there. Its like years of tradition and you then have this pigmy thing. No one even got their finger pricked!
“The digital cable went out again “
I think there is gonna be a part two of this that has more to do with younger Tony and how he rises up with Dickie as his inner influence. But i get where you are coming from even if i don't entirely agree with it.
This movie wanted to be many different things. A sopranos prequel, an original mob story, a blackxploitation cuckfest for people who hate being white, and in the end it didn't please anyone... except maybe balding hipsters with patchy beards and plaid shirts.
I thought It was good but was disappointing with the whole racial politics , the riots would have been fine but the whole Harold story was pointless had basically nothing Todo with the SAPRANOS espically since he just moves into a nice naiborhood at the end whice what did that have Todo with anything , then Tony barley in the movie maybe like 45% , then the way dicky is killed was such a cop out because they didn't want Harold to be the bad guy and be involved in killing dicky !!!! So they made it Jr over the dumbest shit yes Jr was petty but come on really , then the whole Tony pinky promise makes no sense 🤦🏻♂️ if they did the Harold story and made it its own movie It would have been good , but to force it into a SAPRANOS movie took away from what people watched this movie for !!!!
After watching the movie I finally concede. . Gandolfini WAS the Sopranos. I mean try to imagine anyone else playing him. The show wouldn't have worked without him. PLEASE let it die now. The longer you let it go on it will only lessen the original.
The many spades of newark
I think the Sopranos made David Chase an offer he couldn't refuse.
I almost walked out. It was a PC waste of time
The movie just sucked. Young Silvio was a joke, the whole black gangster subplot never resolved and felt like a waste of time, James Gandolfini came in an hour into the movie, and then out of nowhere Junior is murderously jealous? Feels like there wasn't really a script. Just some ideas on some index cards and they went out and shot that edited it together.
It did feel a bit rushed, but it was clearly a misnomer to get you to think it's about Tony, when it's just giving imagery to stories told in the show. I wouldn't be surprised if they wrote it as a miniseries first, it felt like it should've been longer
Having the theme song at the end was cringeworthy.
Maybe if the movie wasn't half-bad it wouldn't have been.
This should have been a four part mini-series. Not a single film.
“Comare” is more like the feminine sponsor, i.e., co-parent of a child you baptize. By extension, it means trusted female friend, not “Godmother.” Similar to Spanish “comadre.”
Correct. The words for godfather/godmother in Italian (and Spanish) are padrino/madrina.
@@valmarsiglia yeah, a decent translation in California urban speech would be “homegirl,” without the Catholic association. If anyone has a similar regional translation into American English, I’d like to know it
Wow you nailed exactly how I feel about it, much better than I could have. Great job.
The best performance was by Joey Diaz, that's because he was only in the movie about 38 seconds. Good on him cash a big check
I didn't hate the movie but I HATED the ending. It didn't make any sense at all. Junior taking Dickie out just because he laughed at him was petty even for Juniors standards. If Junior was setting Harold up for it why did he get to go off and live happily ever after in the burbs?
Damn I saw posters of this movie but I had no idea it came out
the best thing about the movie is how Dickie cuts himself off from Tony's life to make Tony's life better but his influence on him is already established and changes nothing and Tony's best friend is a guy who cut him off, that's some serious trauma for a kid.
The scene where Junior falls on his back is directed in such a weird way...so dumb and pointless lol
exactly, the movie felt like it has no message and that it's not really about anything but not in a good way, just in a meaningless way.
the best thing about it was Tony's and Dickie's friendship
They tried to hard with the wise guy banter it felt forced.
The reason it worked so well in the original series was because they used real wise guys.
Idk I really like the movie. I kinda agree with what you're saying and I'm disappointed Michael Gandolfini didn't get more screen time but I love the story of Dickie, he was a crazy sob.
but the movie never once touched on the fact he was a junkie. there was a whole side to dickie that they never showed, in a movie thats supposed to showcase his and tony's relationship. they tried to do too much, and were unable to flesh out what they needed to
@@honeybun432 in the movie they thought he's a junkie because they found a medicine in his pocket that he supposed to give to livia
@@ididntmeantoshootthatvietn5012 thats medicine for ‘crazy’ people not junkies. chris said ‘between the booze, the coke, and the shit he was putting up his arm, lets be real about the great dicki multisanti, he was just a junkie’
This film faded to black 2 mins in......After I turned off the TV
every -and I mean literally EVERY- piece of advertising for this film focused 110% on a young tony soprano. We got like maybe 40 minutes of tony soprano. Such disingenuous advertising.
1:01 Laura Linney and JB I have to acknowledge how cool to see them lol 😆 I appreciate this commentary about TMSON so far.
Got about 45 mins into it and lost interest and turned it off. Noticed today it was no longer on HBO, was irritated at first, but I'm glad you let me know I'm not missing anything.
David Chase is in talks with HBO about developing another series set in the Sopranos "universe".
let me guess, zoomers
I agree with most of what you said, except that Corey Stall was the most convincing actor. I found him bland and far removed from Dominic Chianese's excellent portrayal of Junior. If anything, Vera Farmiga was the most convincing out of all the characters who were in the original show. Her acting ability is always top notch and helped save an otherwise terrible movie.
Besides her, Alessandro Nivola and Leslie Odom Jr. were the best actors.
I wasn't a bigfan of this prequel either. Good insights. But holy crap your young i was a teenager and in my early 20s when the show ended. I loved the ending even though like everyone i was bit confused took while to put thing's together.
this movie was a fkg disgrace... I genuinely do NOT understand how the fuck David Chase looked at this and said.. yea lets put this out..
Just your expectations.
It was a good movie, flawed, but good. could it have done better portraying some classic characters? Absolutely. Did it disgrace the sopranos and ruin the franchise? No. I can't wait to see the next one, to see Gandolfini's son really step into the role as we see Tony really enter the mafia world.
In the many saints of newark that kid that tony fought, was that jacky April????
Silvio’s character is horrible my god wtf were they thinking ! And why is he so much older then Tony ? He’s like 15 years older then him
The whole shine angle ruined it completely.
Alassandroooo...was the worst actor in the movie. "What are you smokin? AHOEWWUHHWWW!!!!"" AH GABAGOOOOOLLL!!