I came here because I was bored by all the frantic modern interpretations on RUclips of this, one of the greatest symphonies ever. Herr Klemperer took his time and expressed Ludwig to my great emotional satisfaction. Thank you, Otto Klemperer.
This conductor made most of the grandeur of Beethoven apparently having no other interest and he made an unquestionable achievement on this point. A colossal mountain of pure crystal here. If I prefer it to Celibidche, it's because Klemperer's sound is a being like a nature as if there is nothing man made.
I very much myself prefer a rendition like this, where the stature of the work is fully conveyed, and especially in the last movement, a strong feeling of inexorability, with a tension in the coda that could break at any moment. Not for me a light springy rendition. I would also suggest for this work Bohm. But by all odds avoid Furtwangler - you will hate it.
Otto Klemperer is known for his generally slower tempi. But with that comes a clarity, and attention to detail that one often doesn't even notice in other interpretations. It's as if he says to the composer "Well, you wrote all this. Let's see what it really sounds like". He shines a spotlight on the whole score. You hear it as if you are seeing it before you, in all it's detail. It works, because masterpieces can be heard in many different ways. But, I do find his approach the most deeply satisfying. For me, it's just a pity he that he didn't record more Mahler.
I know some of the speeds are slow but the detail is excellent. Klemperer was a master of woodwind details and achieves this marvelous sound from the New Philharmonia.A true master to Beethoven.
I remember when a friend of mine who doesn't like Beethoven so much listened this for the first time with me. He said all the orchestra members are full of respect for the conductor as if hypnotized. A moment after Klemperer swung the baton from left to right in a somehow uncertain movement though made the orchestra conclude the piece precisely at the same moment, my friend said he liked this sound very much. We felt just the same thing.
Celi fans take notes: THIS is how you use a slower tempo to your advantage. Deliberate articulation, a heaviness of mood, and emphasis on details that would normally be lost in the frenzy keep this from sounding dull and aoggy
The slower tempo would normally be a turnoff --- but Beethoven's style as a composer was so deliberate (he sometimes agonized for days over a single measure) that the slower tempo really brings out that genius. And therefore works really well with Beethoven's pieces.
Astonishing, what a tribute to Klemperer conducting this rendition at his 85 years, three years before passing away. His slower tempo gives this truly majestic sound with no equal. Maybe his Prussian origin helped him to achieve such unmatched pompous effect.
Qui abbiamo un meraviglioso direttore d'orchestra Otto Klemperer: tempo e dettagli creano una stupefacente e immortale musicalità! E poi un eccellente regista delle immagini che indirizza le telecamere sugli strumenti che man mano creano la musica! Bellissimo!
my mums folks fled Hamburg at the same time as Klemperer - they could have even known him! For me, he IS beethoven. Tempo perfect as and when necessary.
The 7th is Beethoven’s greatest symphony, but it’s rich melodies and rhythms are often treated in an almost jaunty manner. In Klemp’s hands, it takes on the kind of grandeur normally reserved for the 9th.
All of the symphonies, presented in this manner as they fully deserve to be, take on an impressively grandeur aspect. A lot is lost in those so-called HIP performances with their desiccated ensemble sound and breakneck tempos. The 7th being Beethoven's greatest symphony is clearly a matter of opinion. I have three favorites which absorb me the most, and the 7th is not one of them, individually great as it may be. By the way, hearing Klemperer conduct Tchaikovsky's 4th and 5th Symphonies is also a very enlightening experience, and in his writings, Klemperer has expressed an admiration for Tchaikovsky's works, and in turn, one can only admire the result in his renditions. His Mahler is quite impressive as well, but unfortunately the Mahler 7th stands as an aberration in his otherwise superb work.
God bless Klemperer: I finally hear music. I feel frustrated seeing many nowadays conductors have no knowledge nor paying respect to the sacred richness and complexity of such orchestral scores
What I love about these historic recordings is the lack of theatrics amongst the orchestra coaches, otherwise known as conductors (I am including Arturo Toscanini and Bruno Walter in this description). Of course what we are witnessing hers is not just a conductor, but one of the greatest leaders of orchestras of all time, prodigy of Gustav Mahler. In the end great music, just like some other human activities, is a game of the brain, and Klemperer was a master of this.
This is infinitely better than either of Dr Klemperer’s two stereo recordings of this symphony. It says (for me) a lot about his commitment to Beethoven and, as noted below, his belief in the importance of winds in the composer’s orchestral music -- underscored also in his 1961 Covent Garden performances of Fidelio. The last movement, unlike the moribund 1961 recording, is maybe at a slower tempo than I would like -- but it never flags, and is completely convincing. The shouts of approval at the end say it all!
ici , Beethoven se trouve magnifié par une interprétation géniale .C'est de loin la meilleure de toutes celles que j'ai entendu jusqu'ici .C'est une incontestable référence ,......et merci à Klemperer .
The man who knew Mahler. The man whose son Werner, by 1970, had already won two Emmys for making us laugh at the inept Col. Klink on Hogan's Heroes. This man had interesting conmections as well as huge talent.
......Maestro Klemperer did everything different to other conductors. The greatest ones have telepathic abilities. How can someone achieve so much with so little movements? I remember a famous Wagner-Tenor, he described OK as entirely different in rehearsals. With small movements and little hints, everyone knew what OK meant and they all followed as if they were hypnotized. Also here, Klemperer lets Beethoven breathe, some bars sound like heard for the first time, no haste, no rush through this opus magnum, no fancy dancing in front of the orchestra. This seems to be a kind of current however dreadful standard. RIP Maestro Klemperer
That's occultism. Demonic evil stuff. But I have no doubt that it is true. Magic is not the harmless word it is made out to be in this degenerate and dumbed-down age. But people don't seem to understand that they will then also have to deal with God. Christ didn't do what he did for no reason. So much also for the topic "RIP".
Extraordinary performance of this legendary conductor Dr. Kemplerer, whose conduction stays "live" in our time . Thanks to the technology and why he lived untill his 88 years , we can enyoy this beautifull performance. Together with Bernstein FINAL CONCERT, these two are the best i've ever heard.
A performance from 52 years ago but still fresh as the morning dew. There may not be HD , there may not be hifi or fancy camera angles but the whole experience is way above these technicalities . Glorious music , glorious music making with sounds that make you feel truly alive. Many many thanks for this post.
Nobody could calibrate a long crescendo as unerringly as OK and, despite the very slow tempi--perversely slow in the finale, there are some wonderful moments in this performance. Fifteen years earlier the recording he made is the best ever of this work.
klemperer a titan among conductors two of my greatest treasures are his 3rd and 7th beethoven on mono angel lps not to forget his reading of mahlers 2nd with the philharmonia is monumental
Mr. Murphy, Have you ever heard the Mahler 2nd he performed in May, 1971? WAY slower than he had ever done it and containing some frightening lapses of ensemble, it is yet (despite being all wrong in terms of adhering to the the specifics of Mahler's score markings) as moving an account, especially in the outer movements, as any I have heard. Every dissonance becomes so eventful when the harmonic thythm is so slow that by the end, you are left completely wilted and yet imbued with a feeling of great triumph.
He was a giant, I like his Beethoven cycle, Brahms, .... It would be great we have such vids also from Furtwängler, Mitropolous..... From Mitropolous exist a rehearsal tape, only a few seconds, Furtwänglers Don Giovanni, Toscanini Bethoven 5th, but not much.
i do realise that my comment is just like an annoying cough in the midst of these substantial, well educated and informative comments. so apologies :) (was loking for the most brutal and tense interpretation of this symphony. maybe I have found it.)
There is an experimental "clandestine" stereo recording of Beethoven 7th (1955) under Kemperer. Go to: ruclips.net/video/Je6O3UgUjKA/видео.html. I think that is the best Beethoven's 7th ever recorded. As Ami Yarimi explains, "It was recorded at the same sessions with the mono. Only the record company and the technicians new about the double taping. According to one report, the parallel recording was kept a secret, so that the orchestra and /or conductor will not ask for higher fee".
There is an experimental stereo recording of Beethoven 7th (1955) under Kemperer. Go to: ruclips.net/video/Je6O3UgUjKA/видео.html. I think that is the best Beethoven's 7th ever recorded.
The dirge (2nd movement) is a real dirge. Lovely. A bit slow throughout: I prefer Muti with Philadelphia in Japan and Furtwangler in Berlin. The last movement is much too arthritic. It is majestic but lacks the energy and drive in Muti and Furtwangler.
Hmm. Guess his metronome needed a new battery. If there's ever been a duller performance of this dazzling, life-enhancing work I hope I never hear it. Awful. There is literally nothing in this performance that a professional orchestra today (or then, actually) could not deliver just as clearly but at the speeds Beethoven actually asked for.
What nonsense. Never mind the academics, this is how Beethoven's 7th should be played. Klemperer always adopted the tempi which Beethoven recommended for his music - the Right ones! By the way, metronomes operate by clockwork.
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The 7 symphony, by Klemperer/Philharmonia, was my father's present to my 17 years old birthday......LP 33 1/3........yet I have it
I came here because I was bored by all the frantic modern interpretations on RUclips of this, one of the greatest symphonies ever. Herr Klemperer took his time and expressed Ludwig to my great emotional satisfaction. Thank you, Otto Klemperer.
This conductor made most of the grandeur of Beethoven apparently having no other interest and he made an unquestionable achievement on this point. A colossal mountain of pure crystal here. If I prefer it to Celibidche, it's because Klemperer's sound is a being like a nature as if there is nothing man made.
I very much myself prefer a rendition like this, where the stature of the work is fully conveyed, and especially in the last movement, a strong feeling of inexorability, with a tension in the coda that could break at any moment.
Not for me a light springy rendition.
I would also suggest for this work Bohm. But by all odds avoid Furtwangler - you will hate it.
Otto Klemperer is known for his generally slower tempi. But with that comes a clarity, and attention to detail that one often doesn't even notice in other interpretations. It's as if he says to the composer "Well, you wrote all this. Let's see what it really sounds like".
He shines a spotlight on the whole score.
You hear it as if you are seeing it before you, in all it's detail.
It works, because masterpieces can be heard in many different ways.
But, I do find his approach the most deeply satisfying.
For me, it's just a pity he that he didn't record more Mahler.
👍
✌🏻
this in the best music i've ever heard in my life.
I know some of the speeds are slow but the detail is excellent. Klemperer was a master of woodwind details and achieves this marvelous sound from the New Philharmonia.A true master to Beethoven.
This is a true great approach. Real Beethoven ...Standing obeision.
@@84s77 este sem dúvida foi o maior maestro do século 20.
One of the BEST versions , if not THE BEST version of Beethoven's Symphony No.7 .
The best !!!
Sin duda la mejor...@@tresaq11
I remember when a friend of mine who doesn't like Beethoven so much listened this for the first time with me. He said all the orchestra members are full of respect for the conductor as if hypnotized. A moment after Klemperer swung the baton from left to right in a somehow uncertain movement though made the orchestra conclude the piece precisely at the same moment, my friend said he liked this sound very much. We felt just the same thing.
Celi fans take notes: THIS is how you use a slower tempo to your advantage. Deliberate articulation, a heaviness of mood, and emphasis on details that would normally be lost in the frenzy keep this from sounding dull and aoggy
The slower tempo would normally be a turnoff --- but Beethoven's style as a composer was so deliberate (he sometimes agonized for days over a single measure) that the slower tempo really brings out that genius. And therefore works really well with Beethoven's pieces.
Astonishing, what a tribute to Klemperer conducting this rendition at his 85 years, three years before passing away. His slower tempo gives this truly majestic sound with no equal. Maybe his Prussian origin helped him to achieve such unmatched pompous effect.
"Prussian origin" -- spot on!
@@sumitabhadas1402
He was jewish. But a prussian jew, ok.
How magnificently beautiful! I'm hearing Klemperer's 7th for the first time and it blows my mind. Rushing is the sin of modern times.
Qui abbiamo un meraviglioso direttore d'orchestra Otto Klemperer: tempo e dettagli creano una stupefacente e immortale musicalità! E poi un eccellente regista delle immagini che indirizza le telecamere sugli strumenti che man mano creano la musica! Bellissimo!
my mums folks fled Hamburg at the same time as Klemperer - they could have even known him! For me, he IS beethoven. Tempo perfect as and when necessary.
00:07 I. Poco sostenuto - Vivace
15:07 II. Allegretto
26:00 III. Presto
35:30 IV. Allegro con brio.
The 7th is Beethoven’s greatest symphony, but it’s rich melodies and rhythms are often treated in an almost jaunty manner. In Klemp’s hands, it takes on the kind of grandeur normally reserved for the 9th.
All of the symphonies, presented in this manner as they fully deserve to be, take on an impressively grandeur aspect.
A lot is lost in those so-called HIP performances with their desiccated ensemble sound and breakneck tempos.
The 7th being Beethoven's greatest symphony is clearly a matter of opinion. I have three favorites which absorb me the most, and the 7th is not one of them, individually great as it may be.
By the way, hearing Klemperer conduct Tchaikovsky's 4th and 5th Symphonies is also a very enlightening experience, and in his writings, Klemperer has expressed an admiration for Tchaikovsky's works, and in turn, one can only admire the result in his renditions.
His Mahler is quite impressive as well, but unfortunately the Mahler 7th stands as an aberration in his otherwise superb work.
He completely ignored the metronome markings though…
God bless Klemperer: I finally hear music. I feel frustrated seeing many nowadays conductors have no knowledge nor paying respect to the sacred richness and complexity of such orchestral scores
Tout simplement une sublime interprétation... Merci, Otto!
Wonderful. Even slower than the second studio recording. I wish Klemperer had recorded all nine again in the 1970s. I say the same thing about Bohm.
Pienamente daccordo!
What I love about these historic recordings is the lack of theatrics amongst the orchestra coaches, otherwise known as conductors (I am including Arturo Toscanini and Bruno Walter in this description). Of course what we are witnessing hers is not just a conductor, but one of the greatest leaders of orchestras of all time, prodigy of Gustav Mahler. In the end great music, just like some other human activities, is a game of the brain, and Klemperer was a master of this.
Questa sublime sinfonia con la direzione di Klemperer assume una maestosità che nessun altro riesce ad imprimerle. Grandioso!
Celibidache
This is infinitely better than either of Dr Klemperer’s two stereo recordings of this symphony. It says (for me) a lot about his commitment to Beethoven and, as noted below, his belief in the importance of winds in the composer’s orchestral music -- underscored also in his 1961 Covent Garden performances of Fidelio. The last movement, unlike the moribund 1961 recording, is maybe at a slower tempo than I would like -- but it never flags, and is completely convincing. The shouts of approval at the end say it all!
ici , Beethoven se trouve magnifié par une interprétation géniale .C'est de loin la meilleure de toutes celles que j'ai entendu jusqu'ici .C'est une incontestable référence ,......et merci à Klemperer .
Hypnotic
I love Tempo of 2nd movment WE Can hear clearly each part
The man who knew Mahler
The man who knew Mahler. The man whose son Werner, by 1970, had already won two Emmys for making us laugh at the inept Col. Klink on Hogan's Heroes. This man had interesting conmections as well as huge talent.
Semplicemente fantastico !
......Maestro Klemperer did everything different to other conductors. The greatest ones have telepathic abilities. How can someone achieve so much with so little movements? I remember a famous Wagner-Tenor, he described OK as entirely different in rehearsals. With small movements and little hints, everyone knew what OK meant and they all followed as if they were hypnotized.
Also here, Klemperer lets Beethoven breathe, some bars sound like heard for the first time, no haste, no rush through this opus magnum, no fancy dancing in front of the orchestra. This seems to be a kind of current however dreadful standard.
RIP Maestro Klemperer
That's occultism. Demonic evil stuff. But I have no doubt that it is true. Magic is not the harmless word it is made out to be in this degenerate and dumbed-down age. But people don't seem to understand that they will then also have to deal with God. Christ didn't do what he did for no reason.
So much also for the topic "RIP".
Grandiosa, magistral y profunda interpretación.
18:05 and here ... ... !! again ... ! the two voices at same level ..... this is tremendous
Wonderful! So great conductor!
Extraordinary performance of this legendary conductor Dr. Kemplerer, whose conduction stays "live" in our time . Thanks to the technology and why he lived untill his 88 years , we can enyoy this beautifull performance. Together with Bernstein FINAL CONCERT, these two are the best i've ever heard.
No-one knows how to do Beethoven like Klemperer.
Also Celibidache
An amazing Conductor
Incredible to see him!
magnifico director
16:49 the two voices .... incredible ....
最高の第二楽章です。
The Philharmonia was a very great orchestra and Mr. Klemps was a very great conductor. It's as if the tempo doesn't matter.
…as Furtwängler stated,there’s only one tempo,the right one. The great Klemperer always did the right one.RDS
Lenta quanto si vuole, però... monumentale!
A performance from 52 years ago but still fresh as the morning dew. There may not be HD , there may not be hifi or fancy camera angles but the whole experience is way above these technicalities . Glorious music , glorious music making with sounds that make you feel truly alive. Many many thanks for this post.
This isn’t very long ago, I was 15 in 1970.
@@user-vr6xm8lm1o it seems very near to me too, I was 19 and Klemperer was in his prime
Finally! I can hear everything!
Maravilloso. Klemperer sigue siendo el mejor conductor de Beethoven...a pesar de su partida
¡Bravo! el III movimiento. Tempo beethoveniano.
16:11 the second voice ...............; perfectly audible .... miracle ........;
Love this!
BRAVO!!!!!!!!!
Nobody could calibrate a long crescendo as unerringly as OK and, despite the very slow tempi--perversely slow in the finale, there are some wonderful moments in this performance. Fifteen years earlier the recording he made is the best ever of this work.
klemperer a titan among conductors two of my greatest treasures are his 3rd and 7th beethoven on mono angel lps not to forget his reading of mahlers 2nd with the philharmonia is monumental
Mr. Murphy, Have you ever heard the Mahler 2nd he performed in May, 1971? WAY slower than he had ever done it and containing some frightening lapses of ensemble, it is yet (despite being all wrong in terms of adhering to the the specifics of Mahler's score markings) as moving an account, especially in the outer movements, as any I have heard. Every dissonance becomes so eventful when the harmonic thythm is so slow that by the end, you are left completely wilted and yet imbued with a feeling of great triumph.
ill have to listen to that one i also have his mahler 2nd mono on vox and his beethoven mono 3rd on angel is among my favorites
The man knew Mahler well, was intimate with the scores.
The tempo of the presto might be slower than other recordings I've heard, but it works!
Wow that last was startling!
The coda of the finale makes much more sense when the violins are divided left and right, as Klemperer did
I played this performance at 1.5 playback speed and it finally sounded much closer to most tempi that are taken today! 😆
13:43 Excellent low strings
Отто Один из самых... кто понимал Бетховена...
La musica surge de su cerebro
15:19 What an ace
He compels you to listen
He was a giant, I like his Beethoven cycle, Brahms, .... It would be great we have such vids also from Furtwängler, Mitropolous..... From Mitropolous exist a rehearsal tape, only a few seconds, Furtwänglers Don Giovanni, Toscanini Bethoven 5th, but not much.
like hearing another 7th
Dig that 1st flute! Wood in 1970
Donald Schneider I've played a few wood flutes. They're pretty sweet
Gareth Morris, and at the time Chairman of the Orchestra
@@Titanandenceladus I've worked with 4 of them in my 30 years as a tech and they're all very different from each other.
for you Ali sweet
this man knew Mahler himself
If Beethoven heard this, he would have walked out straight away.
15:08
excellent opinion - the smallest detail is the foundation.
those coughs, oh dear...
i do realise that my comment is just like an annoying cough in the midst of these substantial, well educated and informative comments. so apologies :)
(was loking for the most brutal and tense interpretation of this symphony. maybe
I have found it.)
There is an experimental "clandestine" stereo recording of Beethoven 7th (1955) under Kemperer. Go to: ruclips.net/video/Je6O3UgUjKA/видео.html. I think that is the best Beethoven's 7th ever recorded. As Ami Yarimi explains, "It was recorded at the same sessions with the mono. Only the record company and the technicians new about the double taping. According to one report, the parallel recording was kept a secret, so that the orchestra and /or conductor will not ask for higher fee".
Pre-war f Besson trumpets!
座っていると小さいお爺さんに見えるけど身長2メートル近くあるんでしょ！
There is an experimental stereo recording of Beethoven 7th (1955) under Kemperer.
Go to: ruclips.net/video/Je6O3UgUjKA/видео.html.
I think that is the best Beethoven's 7th ever recorded.
第一Vnのオッサン、あ・・・・・足がステージのヘリにある(笑)
よく落っこちないなぁ
Besser als Karajan imho
엄청 느리네요
Sorry but it is really too slow!! Even 10 minutes more than Kleiber Karajan Solti etc.!!!
So what ?
When you make love, take your time, buddy.
Si no son carreras, es música.
Too slow
The dirge (2nd movement) is a real dirge. Lovely. A bit slow throughout: I prefer Muti with Philadelphia in Japan and Furtwangler in Berlin. The last movement is much too arthritic. It is majestic but lacks the energy and drive in Muti and Furtwangler.
Hmm. Guess his metronome needed a new battery. If there's ever been a duller performance of this dazzling, life-enhancing work I hope I never hear it. Awful. There is literally nothing in this performance that a professional orchestra today (or then, actually) could not deliver just as clearly but at the speeds Beethoven actually asked for.
What nonsense. Never mind the academics, this is how Beethoven's 7th should be played. Klemperer always adopted the tempi which Beethoven recommended for his music - the Right ones!
By the way, metronomes operate by clockwork.
00:07 I. Poco sostenuto - Vivace
15:07 II. Allegretto
26:00 III. Presto
35:30 IV. Allegro con brio.