I think miles should be remember in a monument in the heart of Detroit for helping ford designed and help win the le mans. GODLESS YOUR SOUL. MR. MILES
Before this movie, very few people ever heard the name Ken Miles. I knew him because I grew up in the pits at Riverside Raceway and my dad was good friend to Ken (mainly because the both fought in WWII together for Great Britain... Ken in tanks and my dad a fighter pilot in the RCAF) and shared the same pit area with Ritchie Ginther (another legendary name in racing but known by very few outside the track), Dan Gurney and James Garner (the actor). We were there at Riverside when Ken passed in the crash in one of the Mk. IV prototypes. Another reason that my dad was friends with Ken and Dan was because they were all design engineers and my dad was a test pilot at Edward's AFB (who also flew the Lockheed A-12 Oxcart for OBS- Other Branch of Service). My dad took Ken's death very hard and quit racing shortly after his death... he didn't have the heart to tell me for almost 10 years later (when I started C production SCCA racing in my 1972 Datsun 240Z). I learned how to drive from Bob Bondurant... rest in peace! My favorite memories of Ken was when he took me for hot laps around Riverside in all of the Ford GT prototypes... including the J-car prototype that he was killed in (except the roadster). Christian Bale's performance as Ken was truly amazing... I had flashbacks of talking to him as a kid.
@@bradchang5076 idk ken miles till the movie, but I respect him for what he did to make ford charisma go up, And by doing some research, Basically he is the main reason for the popularity of fords sportscar
The Ford GT never would've been the great car that it was without Ken Miles. I think his experience as both a driver and an engineer were irreplaceable.
@@HK-cw1kz Ford vs. Ford vs. Ferrari...only Miles racing Bandini in the movie isn't exactly accurate. Sounds like it was more so Miles racing Gurney (another Ford) and that's what frustrated Beebe.
He was an engineer by training; the guys who construct stuff, which he did with the GT40, taking part in the construction of the vehicle. And he was a WW2 hero!
@@bighands69 Nothing Hollywood is accurate but this film highlights a "true story" that most did not know about. A agree that modern cinema has changed - for the technical over all else. I do appreciate James Mangold even more.
Poor Ken, he did everything he could to make Ford win and then had to follow orders that robbed him of the win and the triple crown. We all know now just how big Ken Miles was. RIP.
True that. Maybe he had a short temper, but that's it. He didn't protest and was graceful in accepting defeat. A true sportsman. A good man. RIP Ken Miles.🏵
@@prasunkumar117 i highly doubt fanboys knows classic sports/super car such a 330 p4. All they know is laferrari and other modern ferraris. Dont get me wrong modern ferraris are nice. But you get the point...
Ive watched the movie, fuck Leo Beebe, Ken Miles could have won if he didnt propose the idea of telling Miles to slow down for others to get a 1,2 and 3 to the finish line. Fucking pisses me off
Jasper Thong yup and they didn’t feel bad about it. But the real ones know and even enzo Ferrari knows the ken Miles is the real winner and the only one to win the triple crown in racing
@@jasper7535 True racers understand, being an endurance racer myself, the decision to slow for a "photo finish" was ludicrous. Upper management bullshit cost Ken a victory. You don't compromise a win for publicity...period.
I remember the actual race back then. My interest in sports car racing started with the 1964 Daytona Continental 24hr. where I first saw the Cobra Daytona coupe driven by Dave McDonald. I became a fan of Ken Miles when I was only 13. I saw him race the Cobra roaster #98 at Bridgehampton N.Y. I wrote letters to him, asking about the Cobra and he answered them and sent me pictures of the new Cobra Daytona Coupe. I continued following his career and he sent me a Photo of the Ford GT. He went on to win the following year 1965 Daytona 24hr. Sebring 12hr. Almost won Le Mans that year, teamed up with Lloyd Ruby of indy car fame. They were a great team, I don't remember why they weren't teamed up the following year for the Le Mans which Ken Miles was robbed of 1st place.
What a adrenaline rush of a movie. The music, the revving and roaring of the engines, the camera angels to passing cars along with random acts of hellfire accidents to avoid. A very much enjoying movie of Ford v Ferrari. RIP Ken Miles.
Ken Miles story deserved to be told in Ford vs Ferrari, some facts might be false, but most are true , and I’m glad people know how legendary he is! RIP
The triple crown! Sebring, Daytona, Le Mans, did happen. And Ken Miles did it, and should be forever remembered, and Crowned as the incomparable, victorious champion of motorsports. Though his victory at "Le Mans" was stifled by a technicality, Ken was truly the first and only triple crown champion, done in the car that he helped design. The GT40.
this documentary deserves more recognition and comments! Great job, thank you so much for someone finally to compile all the photos and video and data to make this much needed video documentary. Ken Miles is an unsung hero that I will help to bring to light all that I can do. Thank you Kahn Media and Petersen Museum
@@danb.3397 I assume you either :- A Read this in some publication about Hollywood B Got told it by a voice in your head C Used your crystal ball to figure it out. Whichever it was, its sure got you agitated as you had to tell everyone in FULL CAPS,. Yep, its the only way to be convinced if something, its got be SHOUTED!!! Hope the meds kick in soon
Listen to Chris Amon. That is the what history has always said . Henry Ford couldn’t care less. Remember Miles was a minute down when the 1st order to slow down was communicated to the cars McLaren slowed down as per team orders and Miles didn’t.That is a fact. Bruce as shown in Can Am was one of the very quickest drivers. He would have raced Miles if given the chance.
@@Slyou333 In reality when the first order for all Fords to ease off and slow down was given, Mclaren was in front. Mclaren slowed down as instructed as did the 3rd place Ford, but Miles didn't. Miles passed Mclaren during a pit stop because of this. Miles was then ordered to slow down because he hadn't done the first time which is the reason he was able to pass Mclaren. Mclaren deserved the win either way.
watched the movie last night. it's still here in my head. have followed this story for 54 years now. something happened to me last night. I smiled from ear to ear for 2 hours and 25 minutes. I had to leave before the ending. couldn't stand to see it. I wanted it to go on and on it was soo good!
I came here after watching ford v ferrari , and it really hurts me so much for what ford did to ken miles , i couldn't imagine how much it wud have hurt him , thanks for the movie thanks for this documentry for letting the world know this unsung hero , according to me he won the triple crown.
Because Ken Miles was doing so much better before Ford hired him and gave his race team an unlimited budget. Ken worked for Shelby American and Shelby was entirely funded by Ford. A story of a broke race driver Miles and a medically retired race driver Shelby being given the gift of an unlimited racing budget and world wide engineering resources to chase their dreams. How dare Ford ask for anything in return other than publicity.
@@gouthamb884 No. The actual race organizers at Le Mans made the rules up in the middle of the race so that the drivers did not actually know what was going on and neither did Ford. When they declared McLaren the winner no body knew that was coming.
Excellent short form documentary! Kudos to all that helped create it!! And I'm old enough to know who Ken Miles was and what he did. This is an excellent tribute to him. Thank you!!
If you're looking for a villain, you might want to try the ACO (Automobile Club de l'Ouest) - the people who run the LeMans race. They originally told Ford that a dead heat would be an acceptable finish. Instructions were given to the drivers based on that assurance from the ACO. Sometime later, the ACO came back and changed their original determination. There were no radios between the driver and crew in those days, and the decision was made, that short of calling the cars into the pits, trying to communicate through the pit board system would only cause confusion with the drivers. So, the original directions to the drivers, based on ACO assurances of a tie being acceptable were allowed to stand by Carroll Shelby as they had to win the race.
@Flame Resistant Troll I have never seen someone so arrogant before. You do have some points but god i'd be mad if i would be put in a group with you in school.
I actually got emotional watching the movie when ken died in practice. I really had no idea what the movie was really about. Probably one of my new favorite racing movies by far.
@@FyodorUshakovSuka Henry Ford II is the villain? Let's see.. Ken Miles got to work for Shelby American and by extension Ford Motor Company and was paid very well to do it. Ford gave his race team an unlimited budget and Miles had direct input on whatever he wanted for the cars. Unlike NASCAR and Trans Am racing at that time none of this had much connection with the cars being sold in the showrooms, Shelby never built enough Cobras to even allow one third of the Ford dealerships in America to get one. Le Mans was and is just very expensive bragging rights and publicity that's Ford's only return on the investment so do what the boss says and enjoy the ride.
I wouldn't call Ford II the villain, I think Leo Beebe was at fault. He was in charge of the Ford's SV racing programs and should have known the rules of Le Mans. He even admitted his annoyance of Ken Miles(if you believe he wanted Miles to lose).
@@glenn1035 "only return on investment", you know how much they probably made off that photo finish win? Way more than they put into the program that's for sure, this put Ford on an international stage unlike NASCAR. So yeah, they were the greedy villain that fucked Miles.
GS Narayan no it made him a sensation to people who like movies and cars. But ken miles was loved and known by lots of people that live for cars long before this movie was made.
@@joeneufeldt4738 In 1966 only two of the three GT40's were on the same lap, Miles and McLaren. The last was like 13 laps behind. If only McLaren also was like 1 lap behind.
I looked this up this morning. McLaren was 52 seconds in front ,when both were told too slow down, McLaren did , Miles didn’t according to 2 sources I read.I get upset when people are saying that Bruce McLaren,was somehow dishonourable.
You don't actually think before you talk, didn't you read he helped build the GT40 to the stage it get to. If he did not build the GT40, how will Chris Amon and Bruce get the kind of Ford to even lead 52 secs in the first place and he even had a problem with his door at the initial stage. Did Amon and Bruce have a door problem?
@@UniqueAB247 Bruce built the car that Miles drove at Sebring & won that race in. Ford paid him well for his engineering input using the money to fund his Formula One team .Don’t forget that he also designed & built the astonishingly successful series of Cars that totally dominated the American Can Am series for about 5 years. The film was totally dishonest about the 1965 LeMans race where Bruce & Ken co drove one of the one of the 1st 3 Mk2’s . Unfortunately all 3 of these car retired Both Ken Miles & Bruce McLaren drove for Shelby’s team at that time .
The other hero of this story is McLaren, his contribution to motor sport in the 60’s would be seen more grandly if he was British or American, as a humble New Zealander he won in everything from CanAm to F1 to Indy in cars of his own design... and had his own role in polishing GT40s into Le Man winners. Check out his biography if you can find it.
This video was fantastic. I'm glad I found it in my recommended videos. Can't wait to share it and play it for friends. I too had never heard of Ken Miles until today even though I was familiar with this race. What an incredible guy and what an incredible day in history. It was sweet and bitter, full of aggravation and celebration. The pressure and the stakes and drama were sky high. The end result was the culmination of so much hard work by so many, many whose names have been lost. Big congrats to all the engineers, mechanics and drivers who pulled this off in about three years of pushing. That's not a lot of time to win against the legendary Ferrari teams who had been eating and breathing this sport for decades. It goes to show that with bails of money, brute force, and teams of dedicated professionals, one could conquer the world. Conversely I see Ferrari's side; a very small company that always punched above its weight and somehow felt that they'd been had. Then again, it's good to see they got the stuffing beat out of them a few times by some Americans too.
Buddy and I to see the movie in 4 days... CAN'T WAIT!! I followed sports car racing very closely then. I was a senior in HS in '66. Ken Miles won this race. I don't care who's name is on the trophy.
@Flame Resistant Troll I never really understood the people that'd love seeing Ken Miles up on the podium (not because of the weird dead heat things idk) because he deserved it or something like that instead of McLaren. You know McLaren & Miles raced for the same car the year before, and that they respected each other? Maybe some people just confuse me :|
This documentary is outstanding: great interviews, excellent pace, wonderful footage, well-scripted, and a perfect length. "Bravo!" to the pros who made this film.
I really appreciate this video on the information of Ford and Ferrari. I always appreciate learning the backstory behind the movie but also the impact both companies and the people involved.
It's funny because I had a really high opinion of Ford before watching the movie, and now I'm like meh... I didn't know much about the story other than Ford won Le Mans as the underdog....Turns out they were the big corporate assholes all along and Ferrari was building cars in a barn. I'm surprised Ford even allowed this to film.
@@jerryp2433 Well the movie made it seem like ford was against Ken all along, which was so far from the truth. Also, just because we don't like something doesn't mean we have to right to stop people from making or saying it. That's the mentality a lot of idiot liberals have and look where it's gotten them...
@@jerryp2433 Not really, some conservatives are bad are silencing opposing opinions, but they have nothing on liberals. Basically every form of media outlet targets conservative viewpoints, twitter/facebook/RUclips have all banned conservative platforms/channels for "hate speech" when those channels didn't really say anything bad, yet they've left up platforms that have literally said extremely racist and hateful things like "You can't be racist towards white people" or "I hate all white people". Then there's the fact that many politicians supported the violent rioting these idiots were doing, while saying we'll fine and even arrest you if you try to do something like reopen your business or go to church. Then some outlets on the left actually claimed that these riots actually reduced the amount of new covid19 cases, which is bs. All I'll say is anyone with a functioning brain is starting to become more conservative, I used to be quite liberal, but I'm disgusted at what many liberals have become. There gone from a rational party to a party that gets incredibly upset when conservatives try to bring facts and logic into an argument.
@Flame Resistant Troll Juha Kankkunen's 1986 WDC in rally would also come into scrutiny. I've seen your comments on other videos on this topic. You sir are a pretty knowledgeble man when it comes to racing. I wonder, do you like rally racing? Or Indycar?
Ken's GT 40 is now in the Shelby museum in Boulder, CO, USA. Every first Saturday of September, Labor Day, the museum has a big party.. Last year 2021, Ken Miles son, Peter was the guest. He was a fine guest and all was entertained. If you think you can sneak a touch of Ken's car, the museums wrath will come upon you.... I touched the tire
Something to note: The GT40s that won LeMans on 66 and 67 were Ford works teams, but Ford withdrew from LeMans afterwards. However a handful of teams were still racing them in 68 and 69, and one of them carried the torch of the Ford works’ winning streak. The GT40 that won the 68 and 69 LeMans was privately owned by John Wyer, the original guy that Ford contacted to create the GT40, but fired when it was unsuccessful at 64. Ironically, that gulf liveried Mk I is perhaps the most famous GT40 to date, and as far as I know the only car that ever won Le Mans twice. (The 69 winner that won Le Mans was the exact same car as the one that won in 68 with a different racing number)
Yes, John Wyer was the Team Manager for the Ford GT40 team its first year in 1964. Under his stewardship, the GT40s never finished a race, let alone won one. So Ford took the GT40s away from Wyer and put them in the hands of the Shelby team. Shelby won the 1st time out and that was at Daytona in '65. Apparently Wyer and his crew learned a hell of a lot between the end of the 1964 season and the beginning of the 1967 season when his team built their "Mirage" race cars, including Chassis 1075, which after racing in 67 as a Mirage, for 1968 was converted to standard GT40 bodywork and went on to win Le Mans in 68 and 69.
seem to recall Ferrari developing a car....the LM model...to compete directly with the Ford GT.....both manufacturers slowly withdrew from the competition in the 70's as the Porsche 917 became just too dominant...and too fast!....there's a reason they put those chicane's in at Mulsanne....just getting too dangerous......
Frank Pienkosky nah, after 1967, there was a limit on engine discplacement to 5.0L for the prototypes. The Ford factory team decided to leave and not participate in future LM races. The 68 and 69 GT40 Mk I was technically a privateer. Said privateer (John Wyer) was one of the original fathers of the GT40, but he is still a privateer nonetheless. Ferrai widthrew from Le Mans because they wanted to focus on F1. It was around the same tome where Niki Lauda said that their F1 car was rubbish while testing. He suggested that if Ferrari were to be successful at F1, they would have to focus their funding to F1 and not their sports car (group 5 prototype/Le Mans) programme. Ferrari agreed with the condition that if Lauda didn’t win the next race, they would fire him. Lauda won the next race, and Ferrari propmptly abandon their sports car programme. They hadn’t returned to Le Mans ever since. I forgot exactly which year but by 1975 I believe they have left completely.
Frank Pienkosky they out those chicanes on Le Mans way forward in 1990, after a Peugeot broke the all time speed record for Le Mans, 407 km/h. That car was specifically designed to go fast round the Mulsanne straight, because it was slow everywehre else and would last only a couple laps before the engine starts overheating. But it did it’s job. The strange thing is, contrary to pupular belief, most of the accidents that happened in Le Mans were on other sections of the track. The Mulsanne straight almost never saw controversy despite the cars going at 360 km/h for Group 5 and 6 prototypes as well as 380-390 km/h in the Group C era. FIA was just scared because now that someone had broken the 400 km/h barrier, everyone would start to race to that speed. So to stop that from happening, they added the chicanes. In retrospect, it might have been a wise decision, but up to that point, there was very minimal accidents in the Mulsanne straight itself.
Do you really believe that a Hollywood movie, made to entertain and sell tickets, is more accurate than film coverage of the actual race; Le Mans documentaries; photos from the day; and statements and books written by the drivers? "Ford v Ferrari" was a well shot, entertaining movie, with great acting, but it was full of historical inaccuracies, including the misbelief that Miles/Hulme were robbed.
QuinnUltra - You’re an expert on what happened in the race because you watched Hollywood’s rendition of the 66’ LeMans? Which btw allot of it was complete bullshit. I guess I am a paleontologist now guys since I watched Jurassic park ! Ford didn’t rob anyone of anything.. period. If you’re so worked up about the subject read “go like hell.” A historically accurate book unlike this movie.
@@CoyoteFTW And for what other reason should we supposed to believe the book anymore than the movie, If you didn't see it with your own eyes, shut the hell up and stick to your opinion, not into everyone's else
Aotearoa Kiwi absolutely right. The movie was not accurate. Not the least of which, they had Miles setting lap records in anger before he slowed to let Mclaren to catch up for the photo finish. Didn’t happen. Dan Gurney in the 3rd GT40 set the track record early in the race. Finally, watch the 13-14min mark of this video. Amons says their car was in the lead but they slowed to 30secs off the pace per orders from Bebbe/Ford. The Miles car did not slow down and in 7 laps caught the McLaren car and took the lead. No wonder McLaren goosed the throttle at the finish line. He thought they had deserved the race. We may never know. But I certainly would not take a side with a Hollywood version.
So I have an old reference book, owned it for many years. A 1970 copy of the Encyclopedia of Motor Racing. It lists all the results for LeMans over all the years, and in fact mentions that Ford Motor had just funded a rebuild of the corner before the pits. This helped slow down cars and make pit entry safer (1968). The winner of the 1966 race is the Chris Amon car. The photo, one of only 20 or so in the whole book, is the (#1) Ken Miles car. Appropriate tribute.
What do you mean by orders. These people are racers. They for sure knew 24hrs race had to be conservative but a good driver is one who knows when to accelerate and when to be conservative. Ken was a professional driver. He would still win le mans if he was not with ford in my opinion. The fact he took ford to that historic win despite the fact he got dumped and lost his three crown. FYI i would always place my personal achievement above my company's achievement.
God Bless these guys !!! What a time on motorcar history and I was a wondering young man able to have seen it all unfold. I still love cars but was sidetracked by family and a totally unrelated career.
Sachin Patodia why would he? He and McLaren were the fastest car and leading the race before slowing under team orders. Miles/Hulme didn’t slow as asked. That’s how they got the lead, not by being the fastest car on the track. Hollywood lied to you.
What a story! Here after watching Le Mans, great movie. I was pissed when I learnt about Ken Miles story and I would like him to win 3 trophies that year so much, he deserved it, no doubt. But, after watching this documentary, you all are also forgetting that when all Ford's were constructed to slow down (Ken Miles was 2nd at that time), all cars slowed, but only Miles didn't and because of that he got the lead. Listen carefully from 14:05. This wasn't even shown in the movie. What happened after that, when he was already in the lead, was a sad story and disaster by the organizers of Le Mans '66
I really don't like how the old guy at the end kept talking about how he "won". He didn't win anything. The winner was told to slow down and share 1st place. How do you brag about a race that you only won by the leader hitting the brakes and LETTING you catch up??? One of the greatest injustices in motor sports history.
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Just because ken miles did let ford team won. Today he has been a Hero and after many years people are remembering him so its a good thing that he took that step.
I met Ken at Sebring in '65, I think, he wad sitting in his Cobra. My dad had been going there since 1956, and I was only 12 at the time. But since I had been going since I was 5, I kinda knew who all the guys were. Still have the picture I took with my Brownie Kodak of him at Sebring. The movie was great for people who have no idea how things were back then, yet having been going to all of these race ever since, well I guess ya had to be there. Dayton had a cafeteria in the paddocks, and if ya knew your way around you could go in there at 2 in the morning, and sit right next to these guys. Sitting next to Pedro Rodriguez and Graham Hill when the #2 917 Porsches were wearing the orange and blue colors was a dream come true for a 14 year old kid! This movie really does bring back great memories of When Giants Raced! The 917 Porsches were absolutely amazing!
13:57 Wow so Ken Miles was was in second and after the cars were instructed to slow down, Ken did not slow down but the other cars did. Ken took the lead during this time and was told to slow down later.
@Flame Resistant Troll It has been covered in a great number of prints publications and a few YT films, as I'm sure you're aware, so go troll someone else.
@Flame Resistant Troll Hi bro,just want to let you know, yours are the only truly researched comments I've seen here,great stuff! I have a question to add to your list for these so called experts. Amon and McLaren drove an open top version of the car with an auto transmission for thousands of laps as part of the testing programme. 2 questions. 1. What nickname did the the team give the car and why? 2. It was raced only once , where? Like you I've been struggling with the apparent ignorance of some of the comments regarding the drivers and their relative abilities.Lets be frank here,3 of the 4 drivers were seasoned Grand Prix pilots and the 4th was a very talented driver who SHOULD have gone further in his career ,but didn't because (I believe) he lacked the diplomacy (yes,the suck up factor!), and it was his inability to attract the "money" that saw him driving mostly at a regional level. His lifeline was Carol Shelby and lets be honest,he needed to grab this lifeline with both hands,it was probably his only chance to drive at this level ,at his age he probably wasn't going to get another chance like this. He ran with the opportunity and did an amazing job in developing the chassis, but this leads to a part of the film that really grinds my wheels...I'm talking about the scene where we see the car for the first time,just off the aircraft. To me they are presenting it as a "new" car, suggesting "undeveloped" which is a bunch of bullshit! John Wyer's team had drivers like McLaren,Gurney,Amon testing and trying to race these cars for 2 years before Miles/Shelby got involved in the project.The lack of success in this period was due to mechanical unreliability,not chassis performance , so what they did give Shelby was a partially developed chassis that had already shown it's potential and had much more to give. Credit Miles for finding that "much more",but to suggest that he deserves the sympathy vote vis a vis the result because he worked so hard to develop the car is disingeuous to say the least, much,much more went into the development of the programme than just Gene's contrbution. As to the result itself,I had the privilege of meeting Chris Amon in 2014 and although the only thing I asked was for an autograph (on my copy of Grand Prix Legends!) a guy just ahead of me in the queue asked about the result and Amon said "We we're leading.Bruce did as he was told,others didnt"..... I didn't hear the rest but it was obvious that he was still affected by the controversy surrounding this race and that is a pity.... Anyway just want to add my 2c worth on the subject and to suggest that all motorsport lovers know how to research these things and that you sir are preaching to the terminally ignorant! Oh, and one more thing - Gene Miles,unlucky? Give me a break ,if you want to know about bad luck,read Amons story.Mario Andretti said that if Amon took up undertaking,people would stop dying! CHEERS. Edit: Confusing Gene Miles (footballer) with Ken ,sorry.
@Flame Resistant Troll Cool story,I remember vaguely something mentioned about it in Eion Young's book forza! Amon. Also in that book is the answer to the other question! Another funny tale about Amon/McLaren concerns the races held at Nassau each year. McLaren sent Amon to the event with instructions to set up both his own and McLarens F3 cars because Bruce was in Dearborn talking to Ford. Amon said he'd always been the junior driver therefore he always got the leftovers,but this time he had the chance and put all the good bits on his own car! When McLaren rocked up on the grid Amon told him "I've put all the good bits on my car,you've got what's left!" He reckons McLaren walked away muttering something about "teaching the little bugger too well" Of course Amon won the race and the $10,000 prize but McLaren had the last laugh, sending Teddy Mayer in to claim half of it! As to the Answer to the question: the car was nicknamed Big Ed ,after the awful ford Edsel. It was obvious what the testers thought of it ,Amon hated it but I believe others had more respect for it as a test bed. Ive just read your next post.... I was commenting about the financial situation that Miles found himself in at the time. As to Dan Gurney he was doing as every other contracted driver is expected to do ,he raced where his sponser thought was the best exposure for their product. Gurney knew how to play the game and played it well ,his sponsers were very loyal to him. Yes, I think Miles could have used some diplomatic skills,especially with Ford themselves. He didn't endear himself to the influencers at Ford when he called the mustang a DOG! All of my comments are opinions only and I love to debate points of view. I am no expert,just someone with a 50 year passion for this wonderful discipline and I hope my opinions add something to the debate. You sir , have my respect,Idon't doubt your knowledge or your passion,it's people like you who will make sure that motorsport history is remembered correctly. Now, where is my copy of Steve McQueens Le Mans......... Cheers!
Those two guys standing up on the podium know exactly what happened and know exactly what what's going on they both knew they did not win, should have been gentlemanlike and give it to Ken miles
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Everyone knows who won this race. It may not be in the official record but Ken won and has the triple crown without any doubt.
Because the other Fords had slowed down.
@Flame Resistant Troll calm down chief
@Flame Resistant Troll Nope. Miles was robbed. He was ahead in a very long shot. He slowed down deliberately for the other two guys.
Fuckin right
@Flame Resistant Troll Source?
All I'm saying is that in our hearts we all know Ken is our hero
I think miles should be remember in a monument in the heart of Detroit for helping ford designed and help win the le mans. GODLESS YOUR SOUL. MR. MILES
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Before this movie, very few people ever heard the name Ken Miles. I knew him because I grew up in the pits at Riverside Raceway and my dad was good friend to Ken (mainly because the both fought in WWII together for Great Britain... Ken in tanks and my dad a fighter pilot in the RCAF) and shared the same pit area with Ritchie Ginther (another legendary name in racing but known by very few outside the track), Dan Gurney and James Garner (the actor). We were there at Riverside when Ken passed in the crash in one of the Mk. IV prototypes. Another reason that my dad was friends with Ken and Dan was because they were all design engineers and my dad was a test pilot at Edward's AFB (who also flew the Lockheed A-12 Oxcart for OBS- Other Branch of Service). My dad took Ken's death very hard and quit racing shortly after his death... he didn't have the heart to tell me for almost 10 years later (when I started C production SCCA racing in my 1972 Datsun 240Z). I learned how to drive from Bob Bondurant... rest in peace!
My favorite memories of Ken was when he took me for hot laps around Riverside in all of the Ford GT prototypes... including the J-car prototype that he was killed in (except the roadster). Christian Bale's performance as Ken was truly amazing... I had flashbacks of talking to him as a kid.
@@bradchang5076 idk ken miles till the movie, but I respect him for what he did to make ford charisma go up, And by doing some research, Basically he is the main reason for the popularity of fords sportscar
@@juanlop8974Godless? Did no one notice the obvious error?
Ford vs Ferrari. Just out of it. Got great respect for Ken. He's a mechanic. He's a racer. Salute.
It should actually be like " ford vs Ford "
The Ford GT never would've been the great car that it was without Ken Miles. I think his experience as both a driver and an engineer were irreplaceable.
@@HK-cw1kz Ford vs. Ford vs. Ferrari...only Miles racing Bandini in the movie isn't exactly accurate. Sounds like it was more so Miles racing Gurney (another Ford) and that's what frustrated Beebe.
He was an engineer by training; the guys who construct stuff, which he did with the GT40, taking part in the construction of the vehicle. And he was a WW2 hero!
I’m here after i watched Ford v Ferrari. Amazing movie 👍
me too
As well. It's a GREAT sporting film. The true story makes it even more amazing.
I too😀
The film was not accurate but that does not matter it was great entertainment which is missing in modern cinema.
@@bighands69 Nothing Hollywood is accurate but this film highlights a "true story" that most did not know about. A agree that modern cinema has changed - for the technical over all else. I do appreciate James Mangold even more.
Yall agree if ford make a new super car called "ford miles"?
No. Ford GT40 Ken Miles.
M. Nabil.Z this comment needs way more likes
I would like to see that
Ford GT40 Ken Miles Special Edition
To make money off a guy they ripped off...nah
Nope, just a Mustang crossover. No miles car.
I felt so bad for Ken Miles after watching this. Excellent documentary.
Dennis P I wonder if he was still bitter about coming in second
Given that he died a few months later I dont think so.....
Yeah, I've watched the movie. Thanks to the asshole Leo Beebe, Miles got 2nd. Miles should have deserve the win as he was way ahead of everyone.
Marketing vs. Fair play
@@daviewavie112 As per the "Movie" I think his trophy was when Old man Ferrari congratulated him.
Poor Ken, he did everything he could to make Ford win and then had to follow orders that robbed him of the win and the triple crown. We all know now just how big Ken Miles was. RIP.
True that. Maybe he had a short temper, but that's it. He didn't protest and was graceful in accepting defeat. A true sportsman. A good man. RIP Ken Miles.🏵
53 years later and that GT40 still looks darn sexy. I wouldn't mind one in my garage. Really.
Same. Crazy how the machines built by people who love them stand the test of time
That Ferrari tho
@@redcastle3522 Ferraris are overrated.
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@@prasunkumar117 i highly doubt fanboys knows classic sports/super car such a 330 p4. All they know is laferrari and other modern ferraris. Dont get me wrong modern ferraris are nice. But you get the point...
I want Ford to make a tribute livery for Ken Miles, I feel like they owe him their success for beating Ferrari and making the GT40.
Eric Heaton they did on the #69 ford gt for Le Mans this year
@@zekkeanderson1551 wow, that was a way overdue victory.
come to the Shelby museum in Boulder , CO.... Ken's car is there !!
"Ken Miles was unknown before 1966 LeMans", Ha.
I was 17 years old in 1958, lived in Chicago, and knew who Ken Miles was then !
@@thatguyaccent3225 Next time use a calculator.
How old are you you old fuck
@@adanrosales3340 he's 78
@@thatguyaccent3225 you're a dumbass
@@thatguyaccent3225 bro don't you know math...he is 80
No doubt about it, Ken Miles went out on top !!
Ive watched the movie, fuck Leo Beebe, Ken Miles could have won if he didnt propose the idea of telling Miles to slow down for others to get a 1,2 and 3 to the finish line. Fucking pisses me off
Jasper Thong yup and they didn’t feel bad about it. But the real ones know and even enzo Ferrari knows the ken Miles is the real winner and the only one to win the triple crown in racing
ACTUALLY FORD STOLE THE #1 FINISH FROM KEN MILES. HE WAS NOT DECLARED THE WINNER IN REAL LIFE, BUT EVERYONE KNEW HE WON.
@@jasper7535 True racers understand, being an endurance racer myself, the decision to slow for a "photo finish" was ludicrous. Upper management bullshit cost Ken a victory. You don't compromise a win for publicity...period.
I remember the actual race back then. My interest in sports car racing started with the 1964 Daytona Continental 24hr. where I first saw the Cobra Daytona coupe driven by Dave McDonald. I became a fan of Ken Miles when I was only 13. I saw him race the Cobra roaster #98 at Bridgehampton N.Y. I wrote letters to him, asking about the Cobra and he answered them and sent me pictures of the new Cobra Daytona Coupe. I continued following his career and he sent me a Photo of the Ford GT. He went on to win the following year 1965 Daytona 24hr. Sebring 12hr. Almost won Le Mans that year, teamed up with Lloyd Ruby of indy car fame. They were a great team, I don't remember why they weren't teamed up the following year for the Le Mans which Ken Miles was robbed of 1st place.
What a adrenaline rush of a movie. The music, the revving and roaring of the engines, the camera angels to passing cars along with random acts of hellfire accidents to avoid. A very much enjoying movie of Ford v Ferrari. RIP Ken Miles.
Ford VS Ferarri set the bar for car movies
It was worth seeing it on I max that was for sure
Ken Miles story deserved to be told in
Ford vs Ferrari, some facts might be false,
but most are true , and I’m glad people know
how legendary he is!
RIP
Kaden Huynh yes, he’s a legend but a shame they had to distort history so badly to fit the narrative they wanted to tell.
toxaq its a movie not a documentary and it was still pretty accurate
ken miles is batman. if hes not legendary i dont know what is
The triple crown! Sebring, Daytona, Le Mans, did happen. And Ken Miles did it, and should be forever remembered, and Crowned as the incomparable, victorious champion of motorsports. Though his victory at "Le Mans" was stifled by a technicality, Ken was truly the first and only triple crown champion, done in the car that he helped design. The GT40.
this documentary deserves more recognition and comments! Great job, thank you so much for someone finally to compile all the photos and video and data to make this much needed video documentary. Ken Miles is an unsung hero that I will help to bring to light all that I can do. Thank you Kahn Media and Petersen Museum
Cant wait until November when it comes out
@@jenniferbooth8090 IT'S GOING TO BE A HOLLYWOOD TRAVESTY
@@danb.3397 I assume you either :- A Read this in some publication about Hollywood B Got told it by a voice in your head C Used your crystal ball to figure it out. Whichever it was, its sure got you agitated as you had to tell everyone in FULL CAPS,. Yep, its the only way to be convinced if something, its got be SHOUTED!!! Hope the meds kick in soon
Your wish came true. They made a movie
I hope you are happy knowing that now there's a worldwide recognition for Mr.Ken, Thanks to Hollywood
Truly an underrated sports story. I am so happy that more people know this story now!
Someone needs to make a petition, that makes Ken Miles the true winner
of the 1966 24hrs of LeMans
R.I.P Mr. Ken
You are a legend in our books
Listen to Chris Amon. That is the what history has always said . Henry Ford couldn’t care less. Remember Miles was a minute down when the 1st order to slow down was communicated to the cars McLaren slowed down as per team orders and Miles didn’t.That is a fact. Bruce as shown in Can Am was one of the very quickest drivers. He would have raced Miles if given the chance.
We all knew he won no one can take that from him
@@nemisis69spec He wouldn't have been anywhere close to winning if the others hadn't slowed down before hand.
@@bremCZ i dont get it.. in the movie it all BS ? Ken is far in front and slow down , you are saying in reality he wasnt first ?
@@Slyou333 In reality when the first order for all Fords to ease off and slow down was given, Mclaren was in front. Mclaren slowed down as instructed as did the 3rd place Ford, but Miles didn't. Miles passed Mclaren during a pit stop because of this. Miles was then ordered to slow down because he hadn't done the first time which is the reason he was able to pass Mclaren.
Mclaren deserved the win either way.
watched the movie last night. it's still here in my head. have followed this story for 54 years now. something happened to me last night. I smiled from ear to ear for 2 hours and 25 minutes. I had to leave before the ending. couldn't stand to see it. I wanted it to go on and on it was soo good!
I came here after watching ford v ferrari , and it really hurts me so much for what ford did to ken miles , i couldn't imagine how much it wud have hurt him , thanks for the movie thanks for this documentry for letting the world know this unsung hero , according to me he won the triple crown.
Because Ken Miles was doing so much better before Ford hired him and gave his race team an unlimited budget. Ken worked for Shelby American and Shelby was entirely funded by Ford. A story of a broke race driver Miles and a medically retired race driver Shelby being given the gift of an unlimited racing budget and world wide engineering resources to chase their dreams. How dare Ford ask for anything in return other than publicity.
@@glenn1035 they cud have atleast let him be in the front by 8 metres😭😭
Glenn 103 - exactly well said !
@@gouthamb884
No.
The actual race organizers at Le Mans made the rules up in the middle of the race so that the drivers did not actually know what was going on and neither did Ford. When they declared McLaren the winner no body knew that was coming.
@@bighands69 baddest of luck
Excellent short form documentary! Kudos to all that helped create it!! And I'm old enough to know who Ken Miles was and what he did. This is an excellent tribute to him. Thank you!!
Ken was the reason Ford won
But ford screwed him..
If you're looking for a villain, you might want to try the ACO (Automobile Club de l'Ouest) - the people who run the LeMans race. They originally told Ford that a dead heat would be an acceptable finish. Instructions were given to the drivers based on that assurance from the ACO. Sometime later, the ACO came back and changed their original determination. There were no radios between the driver and crew in those days, and the decision was made, that short of calling the cars into the pits, trying to communicate through the pit board system would only cause confusion with the drivers. So, the original directions to the drivers, based on ACO assurances of a tie being acceptable were allowed to stand by Carroll Shelby as they had to win the race.
Agreed, don’t like that Ford disrespected Ken Miles, the best racing driver in history.
I think you just told the whole story
@Flame Resistant Troll I have never seen someone so arrogant before. You do have some points but god i'd be mad if i would be put in a group with you in school.
@Flame Resistant Troll so you are just here to discredit ken miles for whatever little he has achieved .
why so much hate towards him ?
Let him RIP
I never realized how painful Ken Miles got after all he did to the company. RIP Ken, Ford v Ferrari is a must watch
I actually got emotional watching the movie when ken died in practice. I really had no idea what the movie was really about. Probably one of my new favorite racing movies by far.
Watched the movie and was torn apart on how it ended..... Ken Miles really deserved the win.
Having lived when this happened, it was an amazing time.
Lucky man
Mclaren should never have accepted the first place honor. Disappointing.
McLaren was the winner. Maybe Henry Ford who is the villain in this race. I don't know. Lose a race for a photo? Ford backstabbed Ken Miles. Not fair.
@@FyodorUshakovSuka Henry Ford II is the villain? Let's see.. Ken Miles got to work for Shelby American and by extension Ford Motor Company and was paid very well to do it. Ford gave his race team an unlimited budget and Miles had direct input on whatever he wanted for the cars. Unlike NASCAR and Trans Am racing at that time none of this had much connection with the cars being sold in the showrooms, Shelby never built enough Cobras to even allow one third of the Ford dealerships in America to get one. Le Mans was and is just very expensive bragging rights and publicity that's Ford's only return on the investment so do what the boss says and enjoy the ride.
@@glenn1035 I agree. But...
I wouldn't call Ford II the villain, I think Leo Beebe was at fault. He was in charge of the Ford's SV racing programs and should have known the rules of Le Mans. He even admitted his annoyance of Ken Miles(if you believe he wanted Miles to lose).
@@glenn1035 "only return on investment", you know how much they probably made off that photo finish win? Way more than they put into the program that's for sure, this put Ford on an international stage unlike NASCAR. So yeah, they were the greedy villain that fucked Miles.
R.I.P Mr.Ken Miles .. salute to a legend :((
I loved the Film! I was there at Le Mans in 1966, and didn't mind Hollywood hyping it up at all! Great fun!!! More racing films like this PLEASE!
Today The movie made Ken Miles an International Sensation 🙏🏽
True heroes 🦸♂️ never go unsung
GS Narayan no it made him a sensation to people who like movies and cars. But ken miles was loved and known by lots of people that live for cars long before this movie was made.
eric yirka 👍🏼
Ken Miles will be remembered always as a legend with a legendary skills and performance
I've always known what happened at LeMans , with Ken Miles being told to slow down ,but watching this almost makes me , a grown man , cry .
It made me cry...
It's amazing how multi-dimensional, captivating, and legendary this story is even after all this time.
I am here because the movie.was great!
Ken Miles, Carrol Shelby, and the Ford GT - the stuff of legends.
Ken Miles, hero on the battlefield and on the racetrack. He deserved that triple crown.
staging a finish like that should not be allowed
they still do it in formula 1 today to get driver/car points
Ferrari did it at Le Mans 1 or 2 years prior(they finished 1-2-3), but their cars weren't on the same lap as each other so there was no worry
just like in Nascar and owners telling drivers, no you must let your team mate win
@@joeneufeldt4738 In 1966 only two of the three GT40's were on the same lap, Miles and McLaren. The last was like 13 laps behind. If only McLaren also was like 1 lap behind.
@@FabledGentleman yes, that's correct
This deserves millions of views
I looked this up this morning. McLaren was 52 seconds in front ,when both were told too slow down, McLaren did , Miles didn’t according to 2 sources I read.I get upset when people are saying that Bruce McLaren,was somehow dishonourable.
You have a right to be upset. Posters denigrating McLaren are clueless.
You don't actually think before you talk, didn't you read he helped build the GT40 to the stage it get to. If he did not build the GT40, how will Chris Amon and Bruce get the kind of Ford to even lead 52 secs in the first place and he even had a problem with his door at the initial stage. Did Amon and Bruce have a door problem?
@@UniqueAB247 Bruce built the car that Miles drove at Sebring & won that race in. Ford paid him well for his engineering input using the money to fund his Formula One team .Don’t forget that he also designed & built the astonishingly successful series of Cars that totally dominated the American Can Am series for about 5 years.
The film was totally dishonest about the 1965 LeMans race where Bruce & Ken co drove one of the one of the 1st 3 Mk2’s . Unfortunately all 3 of these car retired Both Ken Miles & Bruce McLaren drove for Shelby’s team at that time .
Who's here after watching the Ford vs Ferrari trailer?
Stop being creepy, Patrick. No, I don’t like Huey Louis.
Pat Bateman I’m here after having watch the movie today 🎥
Sadhill25 what’d you think of the movie?
I'm here after watching the movie
yesitsmeguru same me
Fantastic, every motor sports fan and enthusiast should watch this, bravo!!
Bloody beautiful to see the legends of motor sports talking
Saw the movie today! Great story well directed. Worth the price of the ticket.
To fully understand Ken Miles legacy you need to look up his lengthy racing record before he ever joined Shelby.
Not to mention his career driving motorcycles pre-war, and then as a tank commander during WW2.
I wonder if a Google of Flying Shingle will retrieve anything.
One of the best racing car docs ever made!
Ken Miles is a legend!
The other hero of this story is McLaren, his contribution to motor sport in the 60’s would be seen more grandly if he was British or American, as a humble New Zealander he won in everything from CanAm to F1 to Indy in cars of his own design... and had his own role in polishing GT40s into Le Man winners. Check out his biography if you can find it.
Shane Summers if he was a real man he would’ve given ken the win. Selfish
@@flexking8403 No one did that sort of thing in the 1960s - it wasn't even considered.
@Th3Aggr3ssiv3 Cons3rvativ3 why don't you all tell us how Miles/Hulme got in front of the Amon/McLaren car then?
@@flexking8403 only someone who gets facts from movies would come up with such an inane suggestion.
Fantastic documentary. Thank you.
This video was fantastic. I'm glad I found it in my recommended videos. Can't wait to share it and play it for friends. I too had never heard of Ken Miles until today even though I was familiar with this race. What an incredible guy and what an incredible day in history. It was sweet and bitter, full of aggravation and celebration. The pressure and the stakes and drama were sky high. The end result was the culmination of so much hard work by so many, many whose names have been lost. Big congrats to all the engineers, mechanics and drivers who pulled this off in about three years of pushing. That's not a lot of time to win against the legendary Ferrari teams who had been eating and breathing this sport for decades. It goes to show that with bails of money, brute force, and teams of dedicated professionals, one could conquer the world. Conversely I see Ferrari's side; a very small company that always punched above its weight and somehow felt that they'd been had. Then again, it's good to see they got the stuffing beat out of them a few times by some Americans too.
awesome story! Never heard it told in completeness like this...thank you!!
18:15 - The distance dose not start recording until they cross the starting line, almost like saying the metal in this car is older so it wins.
The grand tour episode 6 did a great job of telling this great story I sure do miss em all days like this honestly
And this is why *WE SHOULD NEVER ALLOWED TEAM ORDERS!!!*
The driver could have ignored them, but the fact is such a fantasy is impossible to enforce.
Wow, just wow. Fantastic documentary!
Buddy and I to see the movie in 4 days... CAN'T WAIT!! I followed sports car racing very closely then. I was a senior in HS in '66. Ken Miles won this race. I don't care who's name is on the trophy.
George Carlin i saw the movie last night, it was awesome! yes Ken won!
For all who say Ken got screwed. He had the ultimate decision. He could of chose not to slow down but he did. That shows major class.
Doesn’t change the fact that he got screwed. He slowed down but he still thought he would win the crown he didn’t know about that stupid rule.
RIP Chris Amon
Fuck him
@@user-rm5rz2zh8k Why?
@Flame Resistant Troll I never really understood the people that'd love seeing Ken Miles up on the podium (not because of the weird dead heat things idk) because he deserved it or something like that instead of McLaren. You know McLaren & Miles raced for the same car the year before, and that they respected each other? Maybe some people just confuse me :|
This documentary is outstanding: great interviews, excellent pace, wonderful footage, well-scripted, and a perfect length. "Bravo!" to the pros who made this film.
I really appreciate this video on the information of Ford and Ferrari. I always appreciate learning the backstory behind the movie but also the impact both companies and the people involved.
I wont buy a ford car cause i'm so sad by ken miles 😣😣
Me, too. But I won't buy a Ford car because they're...Fords.
Haha same. I never would’ve bought a ford cuz of reliability issues and build quality issues, and now I certainly will not.
It's funny because I had a really high opinion of Ford before watching the movie, and now I'm like meh... I didn't know much about the story other than Ford won Le Mans as the underdog....Turns out they were the big corporate assholes all along and Ferrari was building cars in a barn. I'm surprised Ford even allowed this to film.
@@jerryp2433 Well the movie made it seem like ford was against Ken all along, which was so far from the truth. Also, just because we don't like something doesn't mean we have to right to stop people from making or saying it. That's the mentality a lot of idiot liberals have and look where it's gotten them...
@@jerryp2433 Not really, some conservatives are bad are silencing opposing opinions, but they have nothing on liberals. Basically every form of media outlet targets conservative viewpoints, twitter/facebook/RUclips have all banned conservative platforms/channels for "hate speech" when those channels didn't really say anything bad, yet they've left up platforms that have literally said extremely racist and hateful things like "You can't be racist towards white people" or "I hate all white people". Then there's the fact that many politicians supported the violent rioting these idiots were doing, while saying we'll fine and even arrest you if you try to do something like reopen your business or go to church. Then some outlets on the left actually claimed that these riots actually reduced the amount of new covid19 cases, which is bs. All I'll say is anyone with a functioning brain is starting to become more conservative, I used to be quite liberal, but I'm disgusted at what many liberals have become. There gone from a rational party to a party that gets incredibly upset when conservatives try to bring facts and logic into an argument.
AND KEN MILES WAS A QUINTESSENTIAL PROFESSIONAL IN THE CAR RACING WORLD WHO CONQUERED LEMANS FOR FORD.
Thank you for the recognition for the family.
Is it possible to dethrone McLaren and grant Miles the win for 1966 Le Mans today?
@Flame Resistant Troll Juha Kankkunen's 1986 WDC in rally would also come into scrutiny. I've seen your comments on other videos on this topic. You sir are a pretty knowledgeble man when it comes to racing. I wonder, do you like rally racing? Or Indycar?
Ken's GT 40 is now in the Shelby museum in Boulder, CO, USA. Every first Saturday of September, Labor Day, the museum has a big party.. Last year 2021, Ken Miles son, Peter was the guest. He was a fine guest and all was entertained. If you think you can sneak a touch of Ken's car, the museums wrath will come upon you.... I touched the tire
Ken Miles is still the hero in our hearts and Christian Bale helped portray how important and passionate ken in this race. Christian bought justice
Something to note: The GT40s that won LeMans on 66 and 67 were Ford works teams, but Ford withdrew from LeMans afterwards. However a handful of teams were still racing them in 68 and 69, and one of them carried the torch of the Ford works’ winning streak.
The GT40 that won the 68 and 69 LeMans was privately owned by John Wyer, the original guy that Ford contacted to create the GT40, but fired when it was unsuccessful at 64. Ironically, that gulf liveried Mk I is perhaps the most famous GT40 to date, and as far as I know the only car that ever won Le Mans twice. (The 69 winner that won Le Mans was the exact same car as the one that won in 68 with a different racing number)
Thanks I liked reading that
Yes, John Wyer was the Team Manager for the Ford GT40 team its first year in 1964. Under his stewardship, the GT40s never finished a race, let alone won one. So Ford took the GT40s away from Wyer and put them in the hands of the Shelby team. Shelby won the 1st time out and that was at Daytona in '65. Apparently Wyer and his crew learned a hell of a lot between the end of the 1964 season and the beginning of the 1967 season when his team built their "Mirage" race cars, including Chassis 1075, which after racing in 67 as a Mirage, for 1968 was converted to standard GT40 bodywork and went on to win Le Mans in 68 and 69.
seem to recall Ferrari developing a car....the LM model...to compete directly with the Ford GT.....both manufacturers slowly withdrew from the competition in the 70's as the Porsche 917 became just too dominant...and too fast!....there's a reason they put those chicane's in at Mulsanne....just getting too dangerous......
Frank Pienkosky nah, after 1967, there was a limit on engine discplacement to 5.0L for the prototypes. The Ford factory team decided to leave and not participate in future LM races. The 68 and 69 GT40 Mk I was technically a privateer. Said privateer (John Wyer) was one of the original fathers of the GT40, but he is still a privateer nonetheless.
Ferrai widthrew from Le Mans because they wanted to focus on F1. It was around the same tome where Niki Lauda said that their F1 car was rubbish while testing. He suggested that if Ferrari were to be successful at F1, they would have to focus their funding to F1 and not their sports car (group 5 prototype/Le Mans) programme. Ferrari agreed with the condition that if Lauda didn’t win the next race, they would fire him. Lauda won the next race, and Ferrari propmptly abandon their sports car programme. They hadn’t returned to Le Mans ever since. I forgot exactly which year but by 1975 I believe they have left completely.
Frank Pienkosky they out those chicanes on Le Mans way forward in 1990, after a Peugeot broke the all time speed record for Le Mans, 407 km/h. That car was specifically designed to go fast round the Mulsanne straight, because it was slow everywehre else and would last only a couple laps before the engine starts overheating. But it did it’s job.
The strange thing is, contrary to pupular belief, most of the accidents that happened in Le Mans were on other sections of the track. The Mulsanne straight almost never saw controversy despite the cars going at 360 km/h for Group 5 and 6 prototypes as well as 380-390 km/h in the Group C era. FIA was just scared because now that someone had broken the 400 km/h barrier, everyone would start to race to that speed. So to stop that from happening, they added the chicanes. In retrospect, it might have been a wise decision, but up to that point, there was very minimal accidents in the Mulsanne straight itself.
Watch the movie, Ford ROBBED Ken Miles of a Triple Crown.
Do you really believe that a Hollywood movie, made to entertain and sell tickets, is more accurate than film coverage of the actual race; Le Mans documentaries; photos from the day; and statements and books written by the drivers? "Ford v Ferrari" was a well shot, entertaining movie, with great acting, but it was full of historical inaccuracies, including the misbelief that Miles/Hulme were robbed.
QuinnUltra - You’re an expert on what happened in the race because you watched Hollywood’s rendition of the 66’ LeMans? Which btw allot of it was complete bullshit. I guess I am a paleontologist now guys since I watched Jurassic park ! Ford didn’t rob anyone of anything.. period. If you’re so worked up about the subject read “go like hell.” A historically accurate book unlike this movie.
@@CoyoteFTW And for what other reason should we supposed to believe the book anymore than the movie, If you didn't see it with your own eyes, shut the hell up and stick to your opinion, not into everyone's else
I don't think it was Ford who robbed him
Aotearoa Kiwi absolutely right. The movie was not accurate. Not the least of which, they had Miles setting lap records in anger before he slowed to let Mclaren to catch up for the photo finish. Didn’t happen. Dan Gurney in the 3rd GT40 set the track record early in the race. Finally, watch the 13-14min mark of this video. Amons says their car was in the lead but they slowed to 30secs off the pace per orders from Bebbe/Ford. The Miles car did not slow down and in 7 laps caught the McLaren car and took the lead. No wonder McLaren goosed the throttle at the finish line. He thought they had deserved the race. We may never know. But I certainly would not take a side with a Hollywood version.
I watched the movie.....but this additional content is truly remarkable. A great racing story. TY ....
I always remember reading about Ken Miles and Lloyd Ruby winning together, as a kid.
So I have an old reference book, owned it for many years. A 1970 copy of the Encyclopedia of Motor Racing. It lists all the results for LeMans over all the years, and in fact mentions that Ford Motor had just funded a rebuild of the corner before the pits. This helped slow down cars and make pit entry safer (1968). The winner of the 1966 race is the Chris Amon car. The photo, one of only 20 or so in the whole book, is the (#1) Ken Miles car. Appropriate tribute.
Why is no one commenting about 14:00 where Amon clearly states Miles only took the lead because he didn't follow the team orders to slow down?
Yeah man
Probably because that information was incorrect Miles had led the race several times before that.
What do you mean by orders. These people are racers. They for sure knew 24hrs race had to be conservative but a good driver is one who knows when to accelerate and when to be conservative. Ken was a professional driver. He would still win le mans if he was not with ford in my opinion. The fact he took ford to that historic win despite the fact he got dumped and lost his three crown. FYI i would always place my personal achievement above my company's achievement.
God Bless these guys !!! What a time on motorcar history and I was a wondering young man able to have seen it all unfold.
I still love cars but was sidetracked by family and a totally unrelated career.
You can see from Chris Amon's expressions that he is zero bit guilty about how it ended
Sachin Patodia why would he? He and McLaren were the fastest car and leading the race before slowing under team orders. Miles/Hulme didn’t slow as asked. That’s how they got the lead, not by being the fastest car on the track. Hollywood lied to you.
@@toxaq shut up dumbass
@@toxaq are you really this dump 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
That was a beautifully told and presented documentary, I really enjoyed it.
Well done to all those involved in producing it.
Thanks to historians like these, we will know Ken Miles part of those amazing years
races like this were popular TV events back then...and ABC's Wide World of Sports carried many of them.....
What a story! Here after watching Le Mans, great movie. I was pissed when I learnt about Ken Miles story and I would like him to win 3 trophies that year so much, he deserved it, no doubt. But, after watching this documentary, you all are also forgetting that when all Ford's were constructed to slow down (Ken Miles was 2nd at that time), all cars slowed, but only Miles didn't and because of that he got the lead. Listen carefully from 14:05. This wasn't even shown in the movie. What happened after that, when he was already in the lead, was a sad story and disaster by the organizers of Le Mans '66
Just got done reading "go like hell". Great book!
" go like hell ford "
Once more, beautiful video! thank you sharing !!!
i feels bad for ken miles. unsung hero..
Fantastic video..! Thank you very much for making this.!
I really don't like how the old guy at the end kept talking about how he "won". He didn't win anything. The winner was told to slow down and share 1st place. How do you brag about a race that you only won by the leader hitting the brakes and LETTING you catch up??? One of the greatest injustices in motor sports history.
Great job putting this together! I could watch for hours🏁
Chris Amon,Denny Holme,Bruce Mclaren rip
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@@bendavison9798 three flying kiwis
yes fellow kiwis
@Flame Resistant Troll Red Bull F1 pilot Max Verstappen, one of the most renowned drivers on the pinnacle category's grid, has been confirmed as a starter for this week's round of the virtual BP V8 Supercars All Stars E-series.
The eight-time Grand Prix winner will race in a Red Bull Holden Racing Team ZB Commodore wildcard entry, as the field takes on Silverstone in the UK and Catalunya in Spain. I’ve tried the Supercar now a few times on iRacing and it’s a very tricky car to get right. I’m looking forward to racing alongside my mate kiwi -Shane [van Gisbergen], or the Pastor, - he’s a top shunter on the sim," Verstappen laughed. &
Kelly Racing have built custom V8 Simulators for their drivers.
"We race online a lot together so hopefully we can do well for Red Bull and it should be a bit of fun racing against the other V8 drivers as well.”...Team Penske with Kiwi - Scott McLaughlin leads the points in the Real V8 Supercars & the BP V8 sim series, & hes right up there in the Indy sim series also,,
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Once in a while I rewatch this piece of history.
Ken Miles needs to be recognized. He was a good man and a great driver.
Tim Schultes Indeed brother
Legend. Never to be done again. This is history people.
Just because ken miles did let ford team won.
Today he has been a Hero and after many years people are remembering him so its a good thing that he took that step.
I met Ken at Sebring in '65, I think, he wad sitting in his Cobra. My dad had been going there since 1956, and I was only 12 at the time. But since I had been going since I was 5, I kinda knew who all the guys were. Still have the picture I took with my Brownie Kodak of him at Sebring. The movie was great for people who have no idea how things were back then, yet having been going to all of these race ever since, well I guess ya had to be there. Dayton had a cafeteria in the paddocks, and if ya knew your way around you could go in there at 2 in the morning, and sit right next to these guys. Sitting next to Pedro Rodriguez and Graham Hill when the #2 917 Porsches were wearing the orange and blue colors was a dream come true for a 14 year old kid! This movie really does bring back great memories of When Giants Raced! The 917 Porsches were absolutely amazing!
Goosebumps !!!! Ken Miles and Carroll Shelby RIP in heaven 🙏🇺🇸
Great Doco, thanks for making it
😮 Excellent production!!!
Ken Miles. I just learned about him. Hell of a Guy. Thank you.
13:57 Wow so Ken Miles was was in second and after the cars were instructed to slow down, Ken did not slow down but the other cars did. Ken took the lead during this time and was told to slow down later.
This is a gold class documentary
Why haven't they corrected this yet? He needs to go down as winning all 3.
Don't worry - for those of us who watched the races back then, he did.
@Flame Resistant Troll It has been covered in a great number of prints publications and a few YT films, as I'm sure you're aware, so go troll someone else.
@Flame Resistant Troll Shhhh everything's ok, crawl into your crybaby closet, you're a waste of space anywhere else.
@Flame Resistant Troll Hi bro,just want to let you know, yours are the only truly researched comments I've seen here,great stuff!
I have a question to add to your list for these so called experts. Amon and McLaren drove an open top version of the car with an auto transmission for thousands of laps as part of the testing programme. 2 questions. 1. What nickname did the the team give the car and why? 2. It was raced only once , where?
Like you I've been struggling with the apparent ignorance of some of the comments regarding the drivers and their relative abilities.Lets be frank here,3 of the 4 drivers were seasoned Grand Prix pilots and the 4th was a very talented driver who SHOULD have gone further in his career ,but didn't because (I believe) he lacked the diplomacy (yes,the suck up factor!), and it was his inability to attract the "money" that saw him driving mostly at a regional level.
His lifeline was Carol Shelby and lets be honest,he needed to grab this lifeline with both hands,it was probably his only chance to drive at this level ,at his age he probably wasn't going to get another chance like this.
He ran with the opportunity and did an amazing job in developing the chassis, but this leads to a part of the film that really grinds my wheels...I'm talking about the scene where we see the car for the first time,just off the aircraft. To me they are presenting it as a "new" car, suggesting "undeveloped" which is a bunch of bullshit! John Wyer's team had drivers like McLaren,Gurney,Amon testing and trying to race these cars for 2 years before Miles/Shelby got involved in the project.The lack of success in this period was due to mechanical unreliability,not chassis performance , so what they did give Shelby was a partially developed chassis that had already shown it's potential and had much more to give.
Credit Miles for finding that "much more",but to suggest that he deserves the sympathy vote vis a vis the result because he worked so hard to develop the car is disingeuous to say the least, much,much more went into the development of the programme than just Gene's contrbution.
As to the result itself,I had the privilege of meeting Chris Amon in 2014 and although the only thing I asked was for an autograph (on my copy of Grand Prix Legends!) a guy just ahead of me in the queue asked about the result and Amon said "We we're leading.Bruce did as he was told,others didnt".....
I didn't hear the rest but it was obvious that he was still affected by the controversy surrounding this race and that is a pity....
Anyway just want to add my 2c worth on the subject and to suggest that all motorsport lovers know how to research these things and that you sir are preaching to the terminally ignorant!
Oh, and one more thing - Gene Miles,unlucky? Give me a break ,if you want to know about bad luck,read Amons story.Mario Andretti said that if Amon took up undertaking,people would stop dying!
CHEERS.
Edit: Confusing Gene Miles (footballer) with Ken ,sorry.
@Flame Resistant Troll Cool story,I remember vaguely something mentioned about it in Eion Young's book forza! Amon.
Also in that book is the answer to the other question!
Another funny tale about Amon/McLaren concerns the races held at Nassau each year. McLaren sent Amon to the event with instructions to set up both his own and McLarens F3 cars because Bruce was in Dearborn talking to Ford.
Amon said he'd always been the junior driver therefore he always got the leftovers,but this time he had the chance and put all the good bits on his own car!
When McLaren rocked up on the grid Amon told him "I've put all the good bits on my car,you've got what's left!"
He reckons McLaren walked away muttering something about "teaching the little bugger too well"
Of course Amon won the race and the $10,000 prize but McLaren had the last laugh, sending Teddy Mayer in to claim half of it!
As to the Answer to the question: the car was nicknamed Big Ed ,after the awful ford Edsel. It was obvious what the testers thought of it ,Amon hated it but I believe others had more respect for it as a test bed.
Ive just read your next post....
I was commenting about the financial situation that Miles found himself in at the time.
As to Dan Gurney he was doing as every other contracted driver is expected to do ,he raced where his sponser thought was the best exposure for their product.
Gurney knew how to play the game and played it well ,his sponsers were very loyal to him.
Yes, I think Miles could have used some diplomatic skills,especially with Ford themselves. He didn't endear himself to the influencers at Ford when he called the mustang a DOG!
All of my comments are opinions only and I love to debate points of view. I am no expert,just someone with a 50 year passion for this wonderful discipline and I hope my opinions add something to the debate.
You sir , have my respect,Idon't doubt your knowledge or your passion,it's people like you who will make sure that motorsport history is remembered correctly.
Now, where is my copy of Steve McQueens Le Mans.........
Cheers!
Really well done, both historically and cinematically
Those two guys standing up on the podium know exactly what happened and know exactly what what's going on they both knew they did not win, should have been gentlemanlike and give it to Ken miles
Great video! I love the very very end. RIP Mr. Macura.
Ken sir you are legend ❤️
Thank you so much for this great video! 👍
Ken Miles clearly won Le Mans and they screwed him over in his win and deserved the win but we all know he won.
Great to hear the firsthand accounts in this!