Aside from the similar shape, this mouse is in an entirely different league than the g305. Better weight, sensor, shape, switches, buttons etc. not at all a g305 “clone”
I recently got this mouse after I realized that large mouses were causing me wrist paint. The claw/fingertip grip allows me to use my finger joints to move the mouse around instead of just side to side on my wrist. I loved this thing right out of the box, after I got used to it I went 40 and 4 in Squad, when someone left me in a BMP on the edge of the water, and I was flicking and blasting everyone who popped their head up. I got called a hacker for the first time in about a decade.
i do not get why people are complaining about batteries i played with the g305 for like 3000+ hours with lithium AAA batteries... i used like 2 packs... my friend on the other hand had a logitech mouse with a built in battery, that just lost performance over time and he got to the point where he had to buy a new mouse... so it saves you money if you use it longterm, also having to swap bettery every 450 hours of use is like every few months or so even if you use it a lot...
I’ve tried every single mouse you can think of, I even have the gpx. Nothing compared to the nice comfy shape of the orochi. It’s my new main and prefer it over every other mouse currently out in the market.
the only reason i was constantly switching mice was because i didnt find a lightweight mouse with this sensor postiton yet ^^, so i actually really appreciate this. I think its good for poeple who switch from palmgrip to claw, because when you are using palm you are actually more used to the sensor beeing further away from your wrist.
Really appreciate the side by side size comparison at the end! I'm heavily considering this, having the Hati S and wanting the wireless version but it doesn't seem like it'll be available any time soon.
Higher sensor placements are usually catered towards ftip and allows for easier micro adjustments since it’s closer to your tips of fingers but yeah it’s a pain getting used to
Having the sensor further to the front essentially gives you an increased range of motion. I use a GPX superlight with a slightly rear biased claw/fingertip hybrid grip (with the sensor basically in line with the tip of my thumb). This grip style (and resulting sensor placement) basically increases the distance I can move with wrist movements, which is a big deal with lower sensitivity (I play apex at around 40cm 360). Personally I thinl this is a good move, especially for a mouse that's mainly catering to fingertip/claw players.
@@LyK0sa it’s definitely a good move but I can see how it’s annoying especially for people who use multiple mice and change because always having to have an adjustment period is a pain
@@YourCloudyyy when you buy a new mouse, you're already needing to adjust to other arguably bigger changes such as shape etc., why is is adjusting to this any worse? It's mechanically superior to have the sensor placed forward anyway, so once you get used to it, it should only end up helping you
If your having issues adjusting to aim with this mouse adjust the lift off distance to 1mm. It comes stock at 2mm. Making this adjustment was a night and day difference for me.
How do you only have 72k subscribers bro? You deserve so many more. I always like watching your tech videos, specially your mouse reviews and tier lists. Also, the beard is on point!
Orochi's sensor is placed more towards the front. However, because it's such a short mouse, I end up gripping the Orochi more towards the front. This ends up having the sensor placed in the center of my thumb-ring-pinky triangle, which is pretty much the same to that of where I grip the G305. That being said, I'm hearing reports that the DPI sensitivity is actually higher than other mice. That might be what's throwing off your shot more than the sensor placement.
It makes logical sense that the further the sensor is away from your wrist, the more movement you get from the same wrist movement. Put your hand on the mousepad and turn it to left or right, and you'll see the base of your hand barely travels whilst your fingers travel more. Thus, the closer the sensor is to the fingers the more it travels.
wow that explains why steelseries mice felt easier to headshot, but tracking would become more difficult and vice versa with a higher sensor. funny, OP explained himself well, but forward sensor/fingertip users seem offended instead of trying to discuss about the topic more lol.
i mean the g9x with claw grip is still my benchmark mouse for cs:go and battlefield and its got the same sensor as the sensei raw.....an avago laser with inherent accel thats quite manageable for cs:go. Nothing has come close since...sensei non raw, rival 300, rival 700, deathadder, g700, g305, g604. I got a second cable off amazon and installed it to prolong its life once it died...added feet....then one day i dropped it off my desk and the mouse wheel/bearing on that glide wheel broke GG no more bhops. A lot of people were using the g9x and sensei raw in cs:go in that era. Something about its ghost curve, cut front end where your fingers could even grip the edge of your m1/m2. It was something else i wish i had a 2nd one and an original g9. I even used 28G added bc the feet were so slick and on a hard pad a heavier mouse felt more precise when tracking you could feel it glide more...fits the g9x profile of beyond standard
Thanks for the reviews, love the honesty. You and boardsy are my favorite reviewers. You seem way more chill though. You were definitely right about the adjusting time. Seems to be high dpi variation when making fast clicks. Rtings noticed this in their testing, and a few people on reddit. There was a firmware update for earlier models, mine came with new update, not sure if it was fixed, razer didn't list any fixes. Some users also reported lowering dpi by a 100 to get better dpi stability. Still happy with my purchase though. Click latency is surprisingly 10ms for mechanical switches, only slightly worse than Viper Ultimate (7ms) and viper mini (6ms) with optical switches. This mouse's click feel better. Still want a viper mini ultimate so bad. This is as close to one as I can get. It does fill my hand much better though.
ive switched mice numerous times and everytime i do, id play so bad for atleast 2-3 weeks before actually getting used to the new mouse im on. this wasnt the case with my orochi v2 i was so surprised by how i was playing because i played even better compared to the xm1r ive used for a couple of months. no break in period for me and for that ive sold my xm1 instantly after a day of playing with the orochi. insane mouse
The Razer Orochi V2 is on sale for $50 from Amazon, Walmart and Best Buy currently. It is most likely a holiday sale so take advantage since on Razer Store on their site its still $70 from them directly I bought a couple of them for my household and they are just superior over our previous Razer mice we used on laptops!
Another good aaa battery for this mouse that I found was a great experience, was going with lithium-ion batteries. 1) they're just as light as normal lithiums 2) rechargeable via USB-C 3) fast charging 4) long battery life
I mean, with wired gaming mice going for 60-80 dollars, how is this price steep for a wireless mouse with a competitive sensor and shape? As for sensor placement, I know a couple people personally who switched from other mice with absolutely no issues. The video makes it seem like it's a guaranteed issue for everyone who uses alot of mice, that's just not the case.
Yeah I got orochi and I palm claw it no problem. The high sensor is not an issue it's just something to be aware of. I lower my sens a tad and had no issues. It baffles me that ppl think this price is steep. I have the mouse and no there is no dpi deviation. The battery is NOT old tech and personally I prefer it and if that means the price is $70 instead of 100+ great. Give yourself time to adjust to the mouse.
Yeah I totally agree. I currently main the orochi v2 having switched from the original G Pro and I never even realized the sensor placement at all. The mouse is fine stock so I feel he was a bit over critical about the mouse considering it’s still nearly half the price of the SL, Viper Ult, and others.
@@I3asyl I'm going to try it coming from the S2 and Titan wireless, and my only concern is adapting to the shape difference. For the price, even if it ends up living in my laptop bag because I don't like the shape I won't be upset hah.
@@shaunpp87 the thing is the shape is so well thought out. I have 20 by 10 cm hands and I prefer claw. I cannot claw other small mice but for whatever reason I can claw the orochi fine. The left side groove is AMAZING and the right side egg style is great to put pinky and ring anywhere. For me it feels much better than viper mini, m42 or model o- for my big hands in claw. The REAL downsides I don't see ppl mentioning are that yes if you've never used battery mice it'll feel abit weird because weight is distributed differently but you will most likely get used to it. Also, it is not a top top wired sensor so on my pad even with 1mm LOD I felt it was abit higher but nothing like viper mini. The sensor stuff is a non issue. It's the same stupid complaint people gave the rival 3/aerox. Oh the sensor is too low bla bla bla. Can it affect you? YES, yes it can. Just adapt. Lower your sens or raise it and give it some time. For me personally I instantly performed amazing with it but not as consistent. I'm still adapting tho.
Yeah, just something to make you aware of before your purchase, not just here to give you sunshine's and rainbows. It's good, I never called it bad lmao
@@mudofx9368 well if you watched the whole video you probably heard me say it won’t be a problem if it’s your main, but if you are collecting mice, I don’t think this is a great option. Just took a different approach with this review, no I’m not going to repeat something you already seen or heard just for the sake of being the same. I’m not here to sell you the product
Yep. Personally, I think it's ideal. I still think Logitech's old VX Nano had the best placement - between the thumb and forefinger, like a pencil. Hot damn, I put so many hours on my VX Nano. Too old and DPI just isn't enough any more though.
I’m pretty sure the aim problems you’re experiencing have something to do with the high LOD that other people have noted which can be fixed by lowering it in the synapse software.
thank god the LOD is adjustable. These non centered sensor mice benefit way more from an LOD reduction since you find yourself picking up the mouse to turn/spin way more IMO. LOD skips/sensor jumps from these lifts are terrible.
the coating is horrible, maybe your hands are just sweaty but for my dry af hands I was forced to buy grips to be able to use this mouse without having to moisten my fingers every time I grip it
Oddly, a concern I have is the Razer logo, particularly on the white version. I can't tell from any video or picture if it's made in a way that can be rubbed off over time or not?? As for Tiger Arcs. I very recently got Tiger Arc 2s for my brick known as a G502 Hero, and I can't tell if I got a bad pair, or fakes (it was from AliExpress), if Arc 2s are just bad, or if the shape of the G502 Hero just doesn't allow for the feet to make flat contact. Meanwhile my older mouse with Arc 1s on them is super smooth. Any ideas? (And I don't see 3rd party Orochi v2 skates for sale from anywhere including the link here under the video.) As a side note, the fact that you can replace the batteries yourself is something I actually like. No need to worry about a non-removable battery wearing down over time.
At lethal gaming gear? Check them out just to be sure because I ordered $50 worth of skates, hopefully they show up this week(the post office has been mega slow) and I’m pretty sure I added orochi v2 corepads that wereavailable
@@TooMuchTech I just checked again, nothing for anything named Orochi is listed, and the search bar gives no results either. And what do you think about the logo on the Orochi v2? Is it something that can wear off or is it part of the shell that can't?
Figured out that the sensor position is not only that makes aim feels fast, the main reason is the really high dpi deviation. 800 dpi on this mouse is like 900 dpi on the other mouse.
i had to reduce my sensitivity to get the same cm/360 as my gpx. Not sure whether it is due to deviation or sensor placement. Tested for deviation but didn't find any.
@@pininalo it's sensor placement. The same wrist motion will move your crosshair further when the sensor is further forward than when it is further back since the sensor is traveling a further distance. To offset, you can lower sensitivity
So... $150 for gpx is okay? To make it shine you need to 1) buy grip tapes, 2) buy tiger ice, 3) replace switches and encoder. And $70 - 80 for nice coating, not as thin and fragile skates, kailh gm 4.0, 65gramm mouse - is too expensive just cuz it's using battery 😂
@@karenlewis4228 sure. If your standards are low. Sold that scam in a month. The only pros are: safe shape, wireless performance and weight balance. internals/coating (for my sweaty hands)/skates are sh*t. As in GPW 3 years before. Unacceptable for $150.
@@Kaylas1821 I think the mouse should be $120 or less because the model o proves you can have a great wireless mouse for under a $100 and imo the skates were half decent just very thin. I think the coating aint too bad at least for me. Id say the shitty grips in the box were a waste to even include. I think your shitting on the mouse a bit hard. But i do see where you are coming from $150 is a very high price considering the other great options on the market.
@@mintavious exactly my point. $110-120 would be fine. Thin skates lead to replacing them too soon. Coating is slippery for me, same exact problem as in gpw, encoder- is it hard to use alps/kailh 800k/modded ttc in a $150 mouse? Not the best tuned omrons also an issue. I love 20m (OF) and tuned 50m in Kain, but gpx has mediocre tuned omrons.
I bought this mouse and if I move quickly in-game, the mouse will do uncontrolled movements like going up or down, or even spinning multiple times even if I moved it completely straight. Can’t use it unfortunately :(
It beats the sh... Out of $150 gpx and $120 Hati S wireless. And there is no competition to the orochi in this price point, considering specs and build quality. So $70 is a fair price.
@@zoar5968 unlike you i have my own opinion which may be different from boardzys. I mostly use reviews to find critical flaws that will stop me from preorder/buying new mouse. Everyone have their own opinion so you d better watch different people instead of one favourite reviewer that may be wrong.
I'm on a quest for the best gaming mouse for my small hands. The MM720 is the closest, and I like the ring finger rest BUT it forces my little finger out just a little too much. IThe Orochi is basically the same minus thw rest. Going to road test it tomorrow. My ideal would be the MM720, with an indented little finger groove, slightly less wide, but as light and maybe wireless.
I wish Razer would find a better compromise between switch durability and click speed. I like the Orochi v2 but it paled in comparison to my old Logitech g403 when it comes to light and responsive clicks. It barely takes any force to actuate the switches on the g403 which is nice for rapid firing in some games. I can consistently click about 2x as fast on the aging g403 as I can on the Orochi.
I don't think it's fair to say because you didn't get used to the sensor placement that this is a con for the mouse. You said so yourself that you were testing a lot of mice, but you gotta remember that's not what us consumers are doing. We're going to get the mouse and try to adjust. To me it seems you kept all settings the same (what you perform best on) and just ran a bunch of mice. The sensor placement will feel off in this case. I recommend lowering your sens a bit and give the orochi a fair shot. You may love it. Maybe with new sens and orochi you perform way better than old sens and all other mice you've tried. At least that's how it was for me.
I don't think its a con if its your one and only mouse. but if you swap mice often, its just an adjustment to be aware of if you see an inconsistency in your gameplay.
@@TooMuchTech Thanks for clarity , particularly interested in the mouse for its sensor placement as its best feature as I tend to grip g305 waaay from back to achieve this, most likely will wait for price to drop thou.
Too Much Tech, you click baited the title and thumbnail so hard. From your title and thumbnail, it sounded like there were "major problems" (thumbnail). The first problem is that it's "not a G305 clone": directly contradicting your title where you claim this mouse is Then you say "once you adjust to it, I don't have any problems like functionally or feel wise. It is a really good mouse". It would seem like you just wanted to be different from the other reviews to get more views. Now, you can get away with saying you just wanted to warn customers, while still contradicting your opinions between the title and content. If you really wanted to put out an honest review, make it sound like a good mouse in the title and thumbnail because that's what you honestly found, then have a section dedicated to the extremely minor "mAjOr PrObLeMs". Instead, you delivered a misleading message to the viewers.
Do you chew your nails bro ? Please dont do that, i had the same problem quite a while ago and it looks awful and embarassing at moments, its an OCD (obsessive compulsive dissorder). It wastes too much of our time and energy, also its hard to overcome, please do something about it. I am saying this as loving subscriber of yours.
I heard another reviewer say the Blackshark v2 wireless specifically wasn't compatible with the dongle. Did you misspeak, has there been some kind of update, or were they wrong?
I haven’t yet checked out the Blackshark V2 yet but I was just saying as a potential example. I know the new wireless keyboard has it, the blackshark im not too sure
"MAJOR PROBLEMS" thumbnail. "It's not an exact G305 clone" "It has a higher sensor placement" Really, bro? With the clickbait shit? You're one of few reviewers I trusted, especially since the Alienware AW2721D.
#1 problem is its a g305 clone but it's not, then you say it's a good thing... which one is it. Your review seems way off base frome every other one I've seen.
I’m not a bot and I’m not here to repeat everything someone else said. Personally - I’m waiting for logitech to make a G305 Superlight or V2 or whatever they want to call it with updated features. *This* is not it, it’s different.
sensor placement....a closer to center or even lower placed sensor equates to less yaw, and overall less variation when aiming. a higher placed sensor offers more potential for long and close range fights up and down angles from height etc. Which is much more apparent in those survival shooters over valorant/cs:go where the total distance per aim duel/fight is very short at best. Like any bomb/site/hold/re-take equates to a generally close range aim duel. Where mice with centered sensors benefit more from the recoil/shooting/metas of those games. VS being mounted in warzone....shooting various targets from various distances and varying angles. you can get 3 kills in a single bombsigte in go or valorant...with seemingly no change to your y axis. Survival shooters youre constantly checking behind above and below. FPS/valorant....theres call outs and youre typically utilizing crosshair placement to your advantage. The aspects are entirely different. Its why COD non warzone is so interesting depending on the guns you use/playstyle that dictates the sensitivity you use on mouse or joysticks. Like S&D or HD S&D. VS being able to mount in warzone and mag dump. For doing spray patterns in cs:go or valorant or large 5-10 shot bursts a centered sensor helps more. Or spraydowns and target transfers. Long range aiming/mounted aim duels i can see how an orochi helps
I saw a video that compares a Razer Viper Ult and G Pro X Superlight with the Orochi V2. He said that the Orochi V2 beats both of them but its your choice
I have a Cobra M711 from Redragon and I am undecided as to which one, I am between the Razer Viper Ultimate, Razer Orochi V2 and the Deathadder V2 Pro wireless, which one will be better for me? Remembering that I have a small hand and use the claw grip
"major problems in thumbnail: the sensor is a few cm higher and I had to play for more than 10 mins to get used to it" what a horrible take I expected better from you man
Well, would you rather me pass over the fact that it's something that directly effects your gameplay just so I can sell you a product? Is it a problem - maybe not, especially if its your main and after you adjust to it. But you will have to change something for you to experience a benefit. This is why I chose to make it a big deal becuase it *isn't* a natural transition
@@TooMuchTech From your title and thumbnail, it sounded like there were "major problems" (thumbnail). The first problem is that it's "not a G305 clone": directly contradicting your title where you claim this mouse is "(Razer's G305 Clone)". How is this a problem? Razor never claimed their objective was to clone the G305. Sure they're competing with it, but that means that Razor's trying to make their product better than the competition, and therefore different. The second problem is also directly contradicted by your video. When talking about the sensor placement, you say, "once you adjust to it, I don't have any problems like functionally or feel wise. It is a really good mouse". If you can just "adjust to it", that's not a major problem... I'm disappointed with this video
@@TooMuchTech I have lots of love and really like your channel man it was a good thing to point out but definitely not a flaw or a problem, it's actually a feature that should help you once you get used to it, I think that's all that people are saying
I was wondering if you could tell me or give some suggestion on which mouse are better (rvm, orochi v2, m42, hati s (small), zy’s rail) remove price out the factor and assume all of them, if needed, have a paracord/corepadz/bungee
No...i have a g305 the only time i noticed latency is when the usb was a lil far from the mouse on 500hz...vs 1000. Theyre really nice if you have multiple systems like a desktop and laptop. I also like that the g305 and orochi are battery powered so you can just buy/put in a new fresh battery when its low vs using a stiff/cable while gaming which can be in-ideal....or youd constantly re-charge inbetween uses with other options....eventually reducing battery effectiveness overall. The 305 uses such little battery on a yearly basis even at 1000hz im amazed. I hope this razer is as efficient though if they have an easy of access/use on the fly switch for bluetooth that can help with batterylife unlike the g305.
@@eresuplays nice im just waiting for it to go on sale for 55-60$ so i can price match it at BB and use some of my bestbuy rewards bucks on it. I like that it has an ease of use BT switch that the G305 lacks....but the batterylife on the G305 is pretty insane like 2m+ per AA lithium Idk if that translates to this orochi or if i have to remember to use BT mode for browsing etc. Still its very encouraging to me to use my huntsman again and synapse.
Personally - I’m waiting for Logitech to make a G305 Superlight or V2 or whatever they want to call it with updated features. *This* is not it, it’s different. This is Razer’s take on an 🥚 shaped mouse.
It also doesn't have any major problems, only ones that affected the users subjective ability to adapt (sensor position), which is actually mechanically superior for range of motion
What about them is similar other than both being battery operated and having an egg silhouette? Everyone who reviews the Orochi v2 compares the two because they're both budget wireless and Razer is clearly pushing it as a competitor to the G305 (because Logitech never refreshed that product despite there being a massive market of egg stans who've been using the same mouse for years with nothing to replace it) but they're actually different shapes (one's concave the other is convex which seems like a big difference), different size/weights, different switches, different sensor/sensor placements, and different price points. Not trying to argue or anything just if them being similar has anything to do with your interest in the product, they're not similar and you should know that.
Damn Kile another freaking awesome info packed video. Hope you got that tire fixed man. Hopefully I will have my mz1 this week. So excited for that. Anyways man love your content. You should drop in sometime and visit me sometime. Show some love. See ya in the next vid. Peace out.
I had absolutely no issues with my aim switching between this mouse, my Viper Ultimate and my MM720. This is my new main.
It’s good!
Same I had no issues it was actually opposite I beat all my scores on aim labs on my first try and first time using the mouse
No issues. Nothing to adjust.. great mouse.
I also had issues with my aim on this mouse. Guess I am also sensitive to the sensor placement.
how is it compared to the viper mini?
Aside from the similar shape, this mouse is in an entirely different league than the g305. Better weight, sensor, shape, switches, buttons etc. not at all a g305 “clone”
in canada the orochi is 90$ while the g305 is 70$, which one do you think i should get? cuz idk... 90$ is still a tiny bit steep imo
@@ripewatermelonlol all pro's chosse orochi over g305.
Even the shapes are different imo
@@mariobaracus2619 yeah at the end of the day I think the extra 20 for the orochi pays off long term
I recently got this mouse after I realized that large mouses were causing me wrist paint. The claw/fingertip grip allows me to use my finger joints to move the mouse around instead of just side to side on my wrist.
I loved this thing right out of the box, after I got used to it I went 40 and 4 in Squad, when someone left me in a BMP on the edge of the water, and I was flicking and blasting everyone who popped their head up. I got called a hacker for the first time in about a decade.
Thanks Khalid for the review
No music coming out rn so you know gotta do some side job on the side
i do not get why people are complaining about batteries i played with the g305 for like 3000+ hours with lithium AAA batteries... i used like 2 packs... my friend on the other hand had a logitech mouse with a built in battery, that just lost performance over time and he got to the point where he had to buy a new mouse... so it saves you money if you use it longterm, also having to swap bettery every 450 hours of use is like every few months or so even if you use it a lot...
I’ve tried every single mouse you can think of, I even have the gpx. Nothing compared to the nice comfy shape of the orochi. It’s my new main and prefer it over every other mouse currently out in the market.
everyone's hands are different!
this or xm1r?
@@alric1201 they're completely different, you have to try both. xm1r is more for claw grip players and orochi for ftip
the only reason i was constantly switching mice was because i didnt find a lightweight mouse with this sensor postiton yet ^^, so i actually really appreciate this. I think its good for poeple who switch from palmgrip to claw, because when you are using palm you are actually more used to the sensor beeing further away from your wrist.
Really appreciate the side by side size comparison at the end! I'm heavily considering this, having the Hati S and wanting the wireless version but it doesn't seem like it'll be available any time soon.
Yeah I think both are good options, Hati S is better for a palm/claw and the Orochi is better for fingertip
Higher sensor placements are usually catered towards ftip and allows for easier micro adjustments since it’s closer to your tips of fingers but yeah it’s a pain getting used to
Correct, just wanted to make you guys aware of that small adjustment period
Having the sensor further to the front essentially gives you an increased range of motion. I use a GPX superlight with a slightly rear biased claw/fingertip hybrid grip (with the sensor basically in line with the tip of my thumb). This grip style (and resulting sensor placement) basically increases the distance I can move with wrist movements, which is a big deal with lower sensitivity (I play apex at around 40cm 360).
Personally I thinl this is a good move, especially for a mouse that's mainly catering to fingertip/claw players.
@@LyK0sa it’s definitely a good move but I can see how it’s annoying especially for people who use multiple mice and change because always having to have an adjustment period is a pain
I found mine had a 860ish dpi when set to 800. Once I changed my sens accordingly I found it very fast to adapt to the sensor placement
@@YourCloudyyy when you buy a new mouse, you're already needing to adjust to other arguably bigger changes such as shape etc., why is is adjusting to this any worse? It's mechanically superior to have the sensor placed forward anyway, so once you get used to it, it should only end up helping you
If your having issues adjusting to aim with this mouse adjust the lift off distance to 1mm. It comes stock at 2mm. Making this adjustment was a night and day difference for me.
Really, I’ll try that. Thanks
4:25 because the sensor placement are higher up on the Orochi, you can lower the sensetivity to get the same sensetivity feel as the g305
How do you only have 72k subscribers bro? You deserve so many more.
I always like watching your tech videos, specially your mouse reviews and tier lists.
Also, the beard is on point!
Thank you! more tier lists coming soon 😀
Orochi's sensor is placed more towards the front. However, because it's such a short mouse, I end up gripping the Orochi more towards the front. This ends up having the sensor placed in the center of my thumb-ring-pinky triangle, which is pretty much the same to that of where I grip the G305.
That being said, I'm hearing reports that the DPI sensitivity is actually higher than other mice. That might be what's throwing off your shot more than the sensor placement.
im sure its a combination of both tbh
It makes logical sense that the further the sensor is away from your wrist, the more movement you get from the same wrist movement. Put your hand on the mousepad and turn it to left or right, and you'll see the base of your hand barely travels whilst your fingers travel more. Thus, the closer the sensor is to the fingers the more it travels.
There's an old post that explains well with math what an optimal sensor position is, should give it a look.
link?
@@elmhurstenglish5938 www.overclock.net/threads/the-importance-of-sensor-positioning.1522415/
@@t0xicdmg443 Cheers
wow that explains why steelseries mice felt easier to headshot, but tracking would become more difficult and vice versa with a higher sensor. funny, OP explained himself well, but forward sensor/fingertip users seem offended instead of trying to discuss about the topic more lol.
i mean the g9x with claw grip is still my benchmark mouse for cs:go and battlefield and its got the same sensor as the sensei raw.....an avago laser with inherent accel thats quite manageable for cs:go. Nothing has come close since...sensei non raw, rival 300, rival 700, deathadder, g700, g305, g604. I got a second cable off amazon and installed it to prolong its life once it died...added feet....then one day i dropped it off my desk and the mouse wheel/bearing on that glide wheel broke GG no more bhops. A lot of people were using the g9x and sensei raw in cs:go in that era. Something about its ghost curve, cut front end where your fingers could even grip the edge of your m1/m2. It was something else i wish i had a 2nd one and an original g9. I even used 28G added bc the feet were so slick and on a hard pad a heavier mouse felt more precise when tracking you could feel it glide more...fits the g9x profile of beyond standard
Thanks for the reviews, love the honesty. You and boardsy are my favorite reviewers. You seem way more chill though. You were definitely right about the adjusting time. Seems to be high dpi variation when making fast clicks. Rtings noticed this in their testing, and a few people on reddit. There was a firmware update for earlier models, mine came with new update, not sure if it was fixed, razer didn't list any fixes. Some users also reported lowering dpi by a 100 to get better dpi stability. Still happy with my purchase though. Click latency is surprisingly 10ms for mechanical switches, only slightly worse than Viper Ultimate (7ms) and viper mini (6ms) with optical switches. This mouse's click feel better. Still want a viper mini ultimate so bad. This is as close to one as I can get. It does fill my hand much better though.
i think they put the sensor there because its helpful for fingertip grippers which I believe this mouse is marketed towards
Correct
I just grabbed the orochi v2 for $38.99 on Amazon... it's my first gaming mouse from razer and I love it
Is it durable for the long run?
ive switched mice numerous times and everytime i do, id play so bad for atleast 2-3 weeks before actually getting used to the new mouse im on. this wasnt the case with my orochi v2 i was so surprised by how i was playing because i played even better compared to the xm1r ive used for a couple of months. no break in period for me and for that ive sold my xm1 instantly after a day of playing with the orochi. insane mouse
The Razer Orochi V2 is on sale for $50 from Amazon, Walmart and Best Buy currently. It is most likely a holiday sale so take advantage since on Razer Store on their site its still $70 from them directly
I bought a couple of them for my household and they are just superior over our previous Razer mice we used on laptops!
5:03 Three-quarters of a centimeter. Lol, when Americans try to use the metric system.
Lmaoooo🤣🤣 I mixem together to keep it interesting
He must have meant 0.3 inches
Another good aaa battery for this mouse that I found was a great experience, was going with lithium-ion batteries.
1) they're just as light as normal lithiums
2) rechargeable via USB-C
3) fast charging
4) long battery life
Thanks for the advice. Which ones did you get?
You didn't insert the type of AAA rechargeable ......
bro really clickbaited, "g305 clone" "they are really different"
I looked over lethal gaming gear and couldn't find aftermarket feet for this yet.
Ah shoot, I just ordered them for the Viper Ult and mini, I thought they had orochi skates but I was wrong, not yet
I mean, with wired gaming mice going for 60-80 dollars, how is this price steep for a wireless mouse with a competitive sensor and shape?
As for sensor placement, I know a couple people personally who switched from other mice with absolutely no issues. The video makes it seem like it's a guaranteed issue for everyone who uses alot of mice, that's just not the case.
Yeah I got orochi and I palm claw it no problem. The high sensor is not an issue it's just something to be aware of. I lower my sens a tad and had no issues.
It baffles me that ppl think this price is steep.
I have the mouse and no there is no dpi deviation. The battery is NOT old tech and personally I prefer it and if that means the price is $70 instead of 100+ great. Give yourself time to adjust to the mouse.
Yeah I totally agree. I currently main the orochi v2 having switched from the original G Pro and I never even realized the sensor placement at all. The mouse is fine stock so I feel he was a bit over critical about the mouse considering it’s still nearly half the price of the SL, Viper Ult, and others.
@@I3asyl I'm going to try it coming from the S2 and Titan wireless, and my only concern is adapting to the shape difference. For the price, even if it ends up living in my laptop bag because I don't like the shape I won't be upset hah.
@@shaunpp87 the thing is the shape is so well thought out. I have 20 by 10 cm hands and I prefer claw. I cannot claw other small mice but for whatever reason I can claw the orochi fine. The left side groove is AMAZING and the right side egg style is great to put pinky and ring anywhere. For me it feels much better than viper mini, m42 or model o- for my big hands in claw.
The REAL downsides I don't see ppl mentioning are that yes if you've never used battery mice it'll feel abit weird because weight is distributed differently but you will most likely get used to it. Also, it is not a top top wired sensor so on my pad even with 1mm LOD I felt it was abit higher but nothing like viper mini.
The sensor stuff is a non issue. It's the same stupid complaint people gave the rival 3/aerox. Oh the sensor is too low bla bla bla. Can it affect you? YES, yes it can. Just adapt. Lower your sens or raise it and give it some time. For me personally I instantly performed amazing with it but not as consistent. I'm still adapting tho.
Yeah, just something to make you aware of before your purchase, not just here to give you sunshine's and rainbows. It's good, I never called it bad lmao
4:50 your shot is off above like not headshot but overheadshot?
"Problem number 1 with the mouse it is not a g305"
And this is why i stopped watching your reviews they make no sense bruh
Just adding to this comment...
How is that a problem?
The sensor placement might be a problem for some people but I highly doubt that
@@mudofx9368 well if you watched the whole video you probably heard me say it won’t be a problem if it’s your main, but if you are collecting mice, I don’t think this is a great option. Just took a different approach with this review, no I’m not going to repeat something you already seen or heard just for the sake of being the same. I’m not here to sell you the product
also, the click bait title for no reason.
@@gttrmgc3284 I just found it funny how he said it's a problem that the mouse is not a g305 like wtf 🤣 it's not supposed to. So how is that a problem.
Thanks for the info and time you put in this review again :)
Normally a sensor closer to the top is preferred.
If you use fingertip grip, you'll have no problem with the sensor placement.
the sensor placement was a design choice by razer after feedback given bu the community, so it was on purpose in case you were uncertain :)
Yep. Personally, I think it's ideal. I still think Logitech's old VX Nano had the best placement - between the thumb and forefinger, like a pencil. Hot damn, I put so many hours on my VX Nano. Too old and DPI just isn't enough any more though.
@@EtrnL_Frost 👍🏻
I switch mice out a lot.. but I notice every mouse is different. Hopefully the sensor placement isn't a deal breaker.
I’m pretty sure the aim problems you’re experiencing have something to do with the high LOD that other people have noted which can be fixed by lowering it in the synapse software.
Where is it in Razer Synapse
thank god the LOD is adjustable. These non centered sensor mice benefit way more from an LOD reduction since you find yourself picking up the mouse to turn/spin way more IMO. LOD skips/sensor jumps from these lifts are terrible.
Love the side by side at the end. Great job...
the coating is horrible, maybe your hands are just sweaty but for my dry af hands I was forced to buy grips to be able to use this mouse without having to moisten my fingers every time I grip it
what camera are you using for mousecam?
Logitech brio
Oddly, a concern I have is the Razer logo, particularly on the white version. I can't tell from any video or picture if it's made in a way that can be rubbed off over time or not??
As for Tiger Arcs. I very recently got Tiger Arc 2s for my brick known as a G502 Hero, and I can't tell if I got a bad pair, or fakes (it was from AliExpress), if Arc 2s are just bad, or if the shape of the G502 Hero just doesn't allow for the feet to make flat contact. Meanwhile my older mouse with Arc 1s on them is super smooth. Any ideas?
(And I don't see 3rd party Orochi v2 skates for sale from anywhere including the link here under the video.)
As a side note, the fact that you can replace the batteries yourself is something I actually like. No need to worry about a non-removable battery wearing down over time.
At lethal gaming gear? Check them out just to be sure because I ordered $50 worth of skates, hopefully they show up this week(the post office has been mega slow) and I’m pretty sure I added orochi v2 corepads that wereavailable
@@TooMuchTech I just checked again, nothing for anything named Orochi is listed, and the search bar gives no results either.
And what do you think about the logo on the Orochi v2? Is it something that can wear off or is it part of the shell that can't?
Cyrus R. I have the mouse and I really don’t think the logo can wear off.
Figured out that the sensor position is not only that makes aim feels fast, the main reason is the really high dpi deviation. 800 dpi on this mouse is like 900 dpi on the other mouse.
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i had to reduce my sensitivity to get the same cm/360 as my gpx. Not sure whether it is due to deviation or sensor placement. Tested for deviation but didn't find any.
@@pininalo it's sensor placement. The same wrist motion will move your crosshair further when the sensor is further forward than when it is further back since the sensor is traveling a further distance. To offset, you can lower sensitivity
So... $150 for gpx is okay? To make it shine you need to 1) buy grip tapes, 2) buy tiger ice, 3) replace switches and encoder. And $70 - 80 for nice coating, not as thin and fragile skates, kailh gm 4.0, 65gramm mouse - is too expensive just cuz it's using battery 😂
Gpx doesn't need any of those things. Maybe for you, but dead stock the gpx is straight up the best in the game
@@karenlewis4228 sure. If your standards are low. Sold that scam in a month. The only pros are: safe shape, wireless performance and weight balance. internals/coating (for my sweaty hands)/skates are sh*t. As in GPW 3 years before. Unacceptable for $150.
I agree with this comment, i think the orochi is fairly priced.
@@Kaylas1821 I think the mouse should be $120 or less because the model o proves you can have a great wireless mouse for under a $100 and imo the skates were half decent just very thin. I think the coating aint too bad at least for me. Id say the shitty grips in the box were a waste to even include. I think your shitting on the mouse a bit hard. But i do see where you are coming from $150 is a very high price considering the other great options on the market.
@@mintavious exactly my point. $110-120 would be fine. Thin skates lead to replacing them too soon. Coating is slippery for me, same exact problem as in gpw, encoder- is it hard to use alps/kailh 800k/modded ttc in a $150 mouse? Not the best tuned omrons also an issue. I love 20m (OF) and tuned 50m in Kain, but gpx has mediocre tuned omrons.
I bought this mouse and if I move quickly in-game, the mouse will do uncontrolled movements like going up or down, or even spinning multiple times even if I moved it completely straight. Can’t use it unfortunately :(
I subbed when you helped me find my monitor and now I’m back again looking for a mouse
And keyboard
Littt
I agree with you brother, that price is kind of steep. Seems awesome but that price, $50 bucks ALL DAY
It beats the sh... Out of $150 gpx and $120 Hati S wireless. And there is no competition to the orochi in this price point, considering specs and build quality. So $70 is a fair price.
@@Kaylas1821 the g pro super light is better than this but this is the 2nd best wireless
@@zoar5968 man. I owned both. Stock vs stock orochi is miles better if the shape and size is for you.
@@Kaylas1821 watch boardzy if you want the best reviews
@@zoar5968 unlike you i have my own opinion which may be different from boardzys. I mostly use reviews to find critical flaws that will stop me from preorder/buying new mouse. Everyone have their own opinion so you d better watch different people instead of one favourite reviewer that may be wrong.
I'm on a quest for the best gaming mouse for my small hands. The MM720 is the closest, and I like the ring finger rest BUT it forces my little finger out just a little too much. IThe Orochi is basically the same minus thw rest. Going to road test it tomorrow. My ideal would be the MM720, with an indented little finger groove, slightly less wide, but as light and maybe wireless.
watching a review of a mouse i have in front of me
It IS an optical switch. It even says so in their website.
I wish Razer would find a better compromise between switch durability and click speed. I like the Orochi v2 but it paled in comparison to my old Logitech g403 when it comes to light and responsive clicks. It barely takes any force to actuate the switches on the g403 which is nice for rapid firing in some games. I can consistently click about 2x as fast on the aging g403 as I can on the Orochi.
You realize the orchi has better switches than the g403 yeah? Idk how many g403s I've heard of developing double click issues within the year
idk if u known but razer had the razer orochi (v1) released a long time ago
I don't think it's fair to say because you didn't get used to the sensor placement that this is a con for the mouse.
You said so yourself that you were testing a lot of mice, but you gotta remember that's not what us consumers are doing. We're going to get the mouse and try to adjust. To me it seems you kept all settings the same (what you perform best on) and just ran a bunch of mice. The sensor placement will feel off in this case. I recommend lowering your sens a bit and give the orochi a fair shot. You may love it. Maybe with new sens and orochi you perform way better than old sens and all other mice you've tried. At least that's how it was for me.
I don't think its a con if its your one and only mouse. but if you swap mice often, its just an adjustment to be aware of if you see an inconsistency in your gameplay.
I didn't understand the "It does not take the rechargeable battery" part
It can take a rechargeable AA/AAA battery, it just doesn’t have a traditional wireless mouse rechargeable battery with a cable.
@@TooMuchTech Thanks for clarity , particularly interested in the mouse for its sensor placement as its best feature as I tend to grip g305 waaay from back to achieve this, most likely will wait for price to drop thou.
Too Much Tech, you click baited the title and thumbnail so hard. From your title and thumbnail, it sounded like there were "major problems" (thumbnail). The first problem is that it's "not a G305 clone": directly contradicting your title where you claim this mouse is Then you say "once you adjust to it, I don't have any problems like functionally or feel wise. It is a really good mouse". It would seem like you just wanted to be different from the other reviews to get more views. Now, you can get away with saying you just wanted to warn customers, while still contradicting your opinions between the title and content. If you really wanted to put out an honest review, make it sound like a good mouse in the title and thumbnail because that's what you honestly found, then have a section dedicated to the extremely minor "mAjOr PrObLeMs". Instead, you delivered a misleading message to the viewers.
My aim wasn't off it actually felt a bit better
what game do u use and on what sens, dpi?
@@kwekdc9006 bf4 800dpi 6.6 in game sense cod warzone 8
have you experienced any lag or stutter on certain ports
Thanks, this helped very much, I was about to buy it but I might buy the g-pro ultralight
well worth the 150 lol i love the mouse
It is a fantastic mouse imo its a little too expensive for what it is but it is my main and a great option if you do alot of gaming and especially fps
Big price difference for sure going that route
#SLGang
I was thinking about returning my g-pro superlight and getting the orochi v2
Do you chew your nails bro ?
Please dont do that, i had the same problem quite a while ago and it looks awful and embarassing at moments, its an OCD (obsessive compulsive dissorder).
It wastes too much of our time and energy, also its hard to overcome, please do something about it.
I am saying this as loving subscriber of yours.
this may be a dumb question. But what game is he playing with the red sniper? I wanna get back into fps games and Im out of touch with it. Is it COD?
Hey it’s me 1:15 🤣
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This good for big hands?
I heard another reviewer say the Blackshark v2 wireless specifically wasn't compatible with the dongle. Did you misspeak, has there been some kind of update, or were they wrong?
I haven’t yet checked out the Blackshark V2 yet but I was just saying as a potential example. I know the new wireless keyboard has it, the blackshark im not too sure
@@TooMuchTech gotcha, ty for the clarification
@@shawndiaz7528 np
Does it have same problems with the length of tracking?
Should I go for the orochi v2 or the model o wireless
"It's not a G305 clone"... puts G305 clone in title lol
G305: Naruto
Orochi V2: Sexy Jutsu Shadowclone
Wich Game is he playing?
"MAJOR PROBLEMS" thumbnail.
"It's not an exact G305 clone"
"It has a higher sensor placement"
Really, bro? With the clickbait shit? You're one of few reviewers I trusted, especially since the Alienware AW2721D.
The sensor is higher up, and by exact he meant similar.
@@ithinkmallardsarecool5859 ...and those are MAJOR PROBLEMS?
Get real.
hey does it disconnects our wifi with 2.4ghz bcoz my router connection is 2.4ghz pls tell
You are an angel bro ty
Is there after market feet for the mouse because you mention in the video that there are but I can’t find any?
Not yet! I was mistaken, I ordered them for two other razer mice🤦🏾♂️
tried this mouse , the included dongle had wireless interference issues on multiple systems.
Use it in usb 3.0
@@realduox I suspect it’s a loose connection then it glitches if it’s on 2.0 but it should work fine in 3.0
#1 problem is its a g305 clone but it's not, then you say it's a good thing... which one is it. Your review seems way off base frome every other one I've seen.
I’m not a bot and I’m not here to repeat everything someone else said.
Personally - I’m waiting for logitech to make a G305 Superlight or V2 or whatever they want to call it with updated features. *This* is not it, it’s different.
Have you tested it with a rechargeable battery? Idk what brand to get :((
How it is G305 clone, if it isnt even the similar shape.
How in what world is it a g305 clone?
I play insanely good with the orochi v2 in apex and war zone but much much better with the superlight is valorant and cs not sure why
Sounds reasonable to me.
sensor placement....a closer to center or even lower placed sensor equates to less yaw, and overall less variation when aiming. a higher placed sensor offers more potential for long and close range fights up and down angles from height etc. Which is much more apparent in those survival shooters over valorant/cs:go where the total distance per aim duel/fight is very short at best. Like any bomb/site/hold/re-take equates to a generally close range aim duel. Where mice with centered sensors benefit more from the recoil/shooting/metas of those games. VS being mounted in warzone....shooting various targets from various distances and varying angles. you can get 3 kills in a single bombsigte in go or valorant...with seemingly no change to your y axis. Survival shooters youre constantly checking behind above and below. FPS/valorant....theres call outs and youre typically utilizing crosshair placement to your advantage. The aspects are entirely different. Its why COD non warzone is so interesting depending on the guns you use/playstyle that dictates the sensitivity you use on mouse or joysticks. Like S&D or HD S&D. VS being able to mount in warzone and mag dump. For doing spray patterns in cs:go or valorant or large 5-10 shot bursts a centered sensor helps more. Or spraydowns and target transfers. Long range aiming/mounted aim duels i can see how an orochi helps
Orochi doesnt have after market skates
G pro super light or orochi for pure finger tip med hands?
I saw a video that compares a Razer Viper Ult and G Pro X Superlight with the Orochi V2. He said that the Orochi V2 beats both of them but its your choice
how long does the battery run out
925 hours
I have a Cobra M711 from Redragon and I am undecided as to which one, I am between the Razer Viper Ultimate, Razer Orochi V2 and the Deathadder V2 Pro wireless, which one will be better for me? Remembering that I have a small hand and use the claw grip
Def not deathadder, viper is good but for ur hands and grip style orochi
@@KrysKu07 thanks i bougth Orochi V2!
is the coating the same with the two colors ?
What mouse feet should I buy for this mouse? And I can't really find any for this mouse
"major problems in thumbnail: the sensor is a few cm higher and I had to play for more than 10 mins to get used to it" what a horrible take I expected better from you man
Well, would you rather me pass over the fact that it's something that directly effects your gameplay just so I can sell you a product? Is it a problem - maybe not, especially if its your main and after you adjust to it. But you will have to change something for you to experience a benefit. This is why I chose to make it a big deal becuase it *isn't* a natural transition
@@TooMuchTech From your title and thumbnail, it sounded like there were "major problems" (thumbnail). The first problem is that it's "not a G305 clone": directly contradicting your title where you claim this mouse is "(Razer's G305 Clone)". How is this a problem? Razor never claimed their objective was to clone the G305. Sure they're competing with it, but that means that Razor's trying to make their product better than the competition, and therefore different. The second problem is also directly contradicted by your video. When talking about the sensor placement, you say, "once you adjust to it, I don't have any problems like functionally or feel wise. It is a really good mouse". If you can just "adjust to it", that's not a major problem... I'm disappointed with this video
@@TooMuchTech I have lots of love and really like your channel man it was a good thing to point out but definitely not a flaw or a problem, it's actually a feature that should help you once you get used to it, I think that's all that people are saying
Hey man thinking of upgraded my broken side buttons xm1 and broken viper :/ to this could I hydro dip the shell ? Or do something like that
You mean the logitech g305 not the razer?
I was wondering if you could tell me or give some suggestion on which mouse are better (rvm, orochi v2, m42, hati s (small), zy’s rail) remove price out the factor and assume all of them, if needed, have a paracord/corepadz/bungee
out of all of those, since I have a bit larger hands and I claw grip, I'm picking the MZ1 as the top choice
is the latency noticeable? i haven’t tried any wireless mouse yet its gonna be my first if ever im using a razer viper mini rn
No...i have a g305 the only time i noticed latency is when the usb was a lil far from the mouse on 500hz...vs 1000. Theyre really nice if you have multiple systems like a desktop and laptop. I also like that the g305 and orochi are battery powered so you can just buy/put in a new fresh battery when its low vs using a stiff/cable while gaming which can be in-ideal....or youd constantly re-charge inbetween uses with other options....eventually reducing battery effectiveness overall. The 305 uses such little battery on a yearly basis even at 1000hz im amazed. I hope this razer is as efficient though if they have an easy of access/use on the fly switch for bluetooth that can help with batterylife unlike the g305.
@@anhiirr i just got my orochi im loving it so far
@@eresuplays nice im just waiting for it to go on sale for 55-60$ so i can price match it at BB and use some of my bestbuy rewards bucks on it. I like that it has an ease of use BT switch that the G305 lacks....but the batterylife on the G305 is pretty insane like 2m+ per AA lithium Idk if that translates to this orochi or if i have to remember to use BT mode for browsing etc. Still its very encouraging to me to use my huntsman again and synapse.
@@anhiirr mine eats through a single rechargeable aaa batt per day so i got 4
So this OR the basilisk ultimate for gaming?
depends. I have the basilisk ultimate and it has a ton of buttons on it but it is much heavier
Just use aa battery converter
what kind of corepads should i order for it?
Personally - I’m waiting for Logitech to make a G305 Superlight or V2 or whatever they want to call it with updated features. *This* is not it, it’s different.
This is Razer’s take on an 🥚 shaped mouse.
you should rename the title its not a g305 clone
And he even admits that on the video. He's so inconsistent
can you review tecware pulse?
clickbaity title. In the video you say that it's not g305's clone
It also doesn't have any major problems, only ones that affected the users subjective ability to adapt (sensor position), which is actually mechanically superior for range of motion
44 dollars at best buy right now
Title is wrong Logitech g305 not Razer.
he meant razers g305 clone . At least i think so like he was saying this is razers take on the g305
*Razer G305 Clone* if you see the rest of the title but I’ll change it to Razer’s
That is a very similar shape to g305 dang
when was this mouse released?
@@saltshaker1787 idk like =a week about
Yeah about a week and a half ago or so
What about them is similar other than both being battery operated and having an egg silhouette? Everyone who reviews the Orochi v2 compares the two because they're both budget wireless and Razer is clearly pushing it as a competitor to the G305 (because Logitech never refreshed that product despite there being a massive market of egg stans who've been using the same mouse for years with nothing to replace it) but they're actually different shapes (one's concave the other is convex which seems like a big difference), different size/weights, different switches, different sensor/sensor placements, and different price points. Not trying to argue or anything just if them being similar has anything to do with your interest in the product, they're not similar and you should know that.
@@shawndiaz7528 tbh i just commented before I watched the video based on the shape, I prob should have specified that
yes
Nice
80? It's 70 USD!
The sensor placement is relative to the contact point of the surface it's used on. Would make absolutely no difference.
Damn Kile another freaking awesome info packed video. Hope you got that tire fixed man. Hopefully I will have my mz1 this week. So excited for that. Anyways man love your content. You should drop in sometime and visit me sometime. Show some love. See ya in the next vid. Peace out.
thanks brotha, tomorrow, Thursday & Friday uploads ready
@@TooMuchTech Dayum son, I been working on one vid. Lol. Work it Kile. HAHAHA.
well damn im early
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