MK7.5 Golf R's EQT Vortex Standard vs XL Turbo Upgrades
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- Опубликовано: 4 май 2024
- We have two MK7.5 Golf Rs on the dyno to compare EQT's Vortex Standard Turbo upgrade versus Vortex XL Turbo. We also compare EQT's Stage 1 software versus a custom tune on 91oct pump gas.
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7Rs taking over.
That's my 7.5 R with the Vortex Standard.! This car has lower 11's in it for sure, just need more time to play with launch control settings. Thanks again to the team at CO, they're legends!
**Update - I ran a 11.27 @ 121.24mph as my new PB. This thing is a rocket!
Do you know what peak boost pressure is? Beautiful car. Love the blue and the wheels.
@@MeltingRubberZ28 I think its 32 or 33psi
How are you messing with launch control settings? I’m looking into picking up a golf r, and would love to be in the low 11’s/high 10’s
@@Gjon777 three levels of LC utilize different RPM levels, also traction sport vs traction off. I’m confident this is a lower 11 car full weight on the street.
Did you do runs when standard and then at each sort of stage / mod of the build? Just interested. I’m in the uk so a lot of differences when it comes to builds and what packages. People usually do the bare minimum but go for the most 😂 still takes me forever working out the whp as we use the bhp figure mostly on dyno/rolling roads. The standard pump fuel in the uk is I believe a bit better for the shell vpower 99 we have. The guys explained it to me before on here but so 89 you have is our 95 Ron? And our 98ron is your 92/95? No 99ron like us in the uk but you then have ethanol at the pump. Which the uk seems 20 years behind on. 😂
Damn these Vortex turbos are just insane. And beautiful 7.5 Rs. Makes me never want to sell my 7R, seriously more than I could ever need.
Loving all the MK7 content. Keep it up!!
Exactly the kind of content I want to see :)
This car works awesome I’ve been in on stage 1 and should have a drive in the new set up this week.
Congrats on the success of the build to CO team and Owner
Love the R content. You guys are on point. Always look forward to watching your content.
Much appreciated!
My MK7R DSG also ran an 11.87 at 114, at a track (not Dragy), with only Stage 1 EQT E30 software. Hell of a fun car.
E30... big advantage over our 91oct for sure. But great numbers for stage 1 for sure. Kind of crazy really.
This video shows exactly why golfs and other vag cars have become so popular. Pretty cheap and easy to get power out of them especially on a stock motor. Just have to look at what the galano guys have achieved with their yellow bird mk7.5. Stock block world record and now a 8.8sec with a built motor on what is still basically a street car.
Who doesn't love a good VAG?
Love your work! 🖤
Just found out about your channel.. Quality content, should get way more attention
Thanks were trying.
Great content!
Sick R. That setup seems like the perfect daily driver.
Definitely is the perfect daily. Hatch is super practical. And with it being "just a golf" to most people they have no idea what power and traction it has available. :)
Love these VW vids. Keep em coming but I really Need to see a mk7.5 GTI with vortex xl and EQT tune PLEASEEEE!!!!
Goals!! I have a 19 R with a Stage 1 APR ECU & DSG, CTS Intake & Inlet. Feels super, but starting to get bug to make it faster. Maybe Stage 2 before going new Turbo route. Love the content.
Stage 2 7,5 R is an animal bro you definitely gotta try it before a bigger turbo .
If I could go back, I'd probably do a vortex standard over the IS38.
Big thank you to Dave @Co Motorsports for tuning my R. (Wrapped R)
Will be back after a few modifications💪🏽
The special blue color on the R models is called Lapiz Blue. In Europe, the Golf R can only be had in White, Deep black pearl and Lapiz Blue.
Did he say yours was a manual? What clutch are you running to hold that much power?
What rear spoiler are you running by chance? Big fan of the look of it
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@@Mr_Meatydkm stage 2 with single mass flywheel
Thanks for the great content, as usual. This episode is of particular interest to me because I'm currently debating between the Vortex Standard and the Vortex XL for my 7R. I like the earlier spool of the Standard, but also like the extra power of the XL. I think I'm even more conflicted after watching this video! 😂
Decisions, decisions.....
All comes down to what fuel you plan on running IMO.
@@COMotorsports Just about to flash the EQT Stage 1 E30 tune, but will be on the COBB OTS Stage 1 91 Flex Fuel tune until EQT comes out with their own FF tunes, so I'll be running a minimum of E30. This is my daily driver, so I figured a Vortex Standard might be the more prudent choice, with the quicker spool for mostly city driving, but the headroom of the XL makes it so enticing.
Waiting for my vortex standard to come.
DUDE I REALY LOVE YOUR CONTENT I JUST BUILD A 2.0 8V WITH A 36DCD7 WEBER CARBURETOR unfortunately I can't find a shop to dyno the thing for me BTW it's in a mk1 chassis
Appreciate the comments, best of luck with your builds.
Take away: Vortex standard if you are going to run pump gas and don't want to give up ~1,000 RPM spool. And XL if you run ethanol or meth. Impressive comparison between stock and the two Vortex's! I've always been curious.
There's a video on our channel comparing on the same car. That car is also now in for the typhoon. Lol
@@COMotorsportsawesome and most importantly RELEVANT content as always guys....love the channel! Your comment there about the typhoon brings up a great question. What is the ultimate DD turbo set up? I have a built motor R, current on aG25-660 (speed limited to 165k rpm by Garrett which is around ~30psi)...car is great on full E right now but would like to make a bit more power to take advantage of the built motor....car is a DD. Is the XL the biggest you'd go....could you consider a 770? Could you make 600whp on a DD friendly set up or is that going to be so laggy you'd hate it. I can already say with fueling mods their is a bit of inconvenience filling up frequently on E and this is with the 930MPI and RS3 brushless LPFP.
Appreciate all the great wisdom you all share!
I’m doing vortex standard mpi, lpfp,
fbo’s on e85.
Awesome as always. How much power You recon is lost using a downpipe with high flow cat instead of catless?
Hard to say, depends on the turbo, exhaust and a few other things. Where this is the smaller exhaust housing it may gain a little but I doubt it would be much on the STD combo.
Awesome video!! Did the Regular Vortex have upgraded hpfp or just the XL car?
Both same fuel setup. Just hpfp.
Dig it!
Do I need a lpfp to run 400whp or a little more on my mk6 R ?
Would love to see a vid with a Mk7 GTI with the vortex power gains ...
mod for mod they will make the same power.
But most of my builds are 20v 2.0l and 3.6 vr6 all in mk1 chassis
when do you need to start worrying the stock rods and pistons with these engines?
What can you guys do for those that have access to 93 oct?
Like if i bring my car over to you from the US where we have 93, can you tune it with EQT for 91 and 93 tunes? Would brining some 93oct fuel be needed?
They aren't tuning it, EQT is remotely. Just buy their 93 octane tune and flash it. Done.
Facelift R content 🙌
All the same stuff.
@@COMotorsports I know just see more prefacelift stuff on RUclips in general. Great video as always 🤙
Can u guys do a video on dsg conversion on 1.8t 20v
If you'd like to pay for the transmission and time I'm sure we could squeeze it in.
Needed slow mo bloopers at the end
Unfortunately when in slow that camera doesn't do audio. :(
@COMotorsports random but can EQT (or any other tuner you are aware of) do boost by gear for the Vortex?
@@MeltingRubberZ28 I know Tunezilla does for sure because we just did it on the car in the previous video.
Hahaha I’m here to help. Any time.
The dsg xl turbo car has so much smother run is that more because of the lager turbo housing or the dsg?
The DSG car was the standard not XL.
Hey guys, long time fan. I just picked up the XL for my GTI. I'm only going to be running the HPFP with 93 oct. I have heard many say that's not enough fueling. But from what you have shown it looks to me that I will be ok without pushing heavy boost. Thanks for this. Unless, hmm do you think an R has a bigger low pressure pump than a GTI?
They both have same lpfp. I strongly suggest you get a lpfp for your golf r you will be able to push the turbo further , especially on 93 octane you should be at 460 with ease
I have a GTI, and I will be adding the fueling upgrades in the future. That's why I bought the XL so I will have room to grow.
All comes down to what fuel you plan on running. If you're limited to 91oct for example, there really isn't a need for anything more in regards to fueling other than HPFP. However if you want to take advantage of the turbo or use any decent amount of E you will need LPFP and MPI.
What kind of plugs are you guys putting in the mk7 Rs and GTIs?
Rutheniums is all you need.
Ok guys so I have a mk4 1.8t jetta it has 440cc injectors front mount intercooler and k04 01. I want to make 280-300whp and be safe on stock internals on e85. What turbo should I go with? Thanks
Not a fan of K04's on 1.8t's so I'd say anything is better. :)
Have you worked on MK8's? upgraded the turbo and fuel pump? What HP can you get out on pump gas?
No turbo upgrades yet.
I would like to drive the Vortex standard vs. PMax stage 1. They seem to be similar as far as peak power, the PMax 1 may be a touch more responsive.
Anyone know what centre section the Vortex uses?
Pmax would make 400 and standard 420, pmax a little more responsive
@@jaxxone4907 yeah, it’s more the transient response and overall driving experience of the 2 turbos. The PMax doesn’t feel that far off stock as far as boost threshold and spool.
It looks like it’s just an IS38 centre section which gives me concerns about longevity.
Makes me want to trade in my MK6R, unfortunately. I'm IE stage 2+ ( HPFP/ DP/ Intercooler/ full exhaust ETC ) currently, I'm assuming that's my limit unless I go forged internals and aftermarket turbo.
You're definitely turbo limited.
@@COMotorsports Ill have to go Forged too? This model 2.0 T wont handle the TQ like the newer iterations will it??
wish there were some E85 options, I'll be going XL on my S3 DSG soon, would have liked to see the numbers but overall great video.
We have E numbers on stock engine on the channel already.
@@COMotorsports I know what i'm watching next xD
low to mid 500whp range assuming mpi and lpfp. If you just halfass it with hpfp then you'll run out of DI injector and Lpfp pretty fast.
@@dirk5950 Cool yeah im going 925cc MPI as well as HPFP and LPFP upgrade. good to hear i would have liked to make over 500.
@@wyvern3525 leave the hpfp stock
Where are you guys located? I’d love to get a base file or a tune from you guys. I’m running eurodyne
We can likely assist. Email us.
Have you guys had any mk7 on the dyno with the pmax stage 1? Thats what i am currently running but i am looking for more...of course. It would be great to see your numbers between the vortex and the pmax. Im trying to decide if it is worth the swap or should i look for something bigger and go mpi/lpfp.
Just stage 2 pmax
If you have e85 just used ethanol to bump the power on the pmax to 450whp, if you want more ,get a vortex xl, lpfp/mpi and have fun, make sure you get in touch with eqt to give you a proper tune
@@jaxxone4907 i am currently tuned by eqt on 93 octane. I don't have any e85 local to me sadly. That is exactly what I would do if I did.
Do you think you could get the same or similar numbers with a mk7 gli ? I know it’s basically the same as a gti but not many people go all the way with the gli and I just wanna know
It all depends on your setup. Some of the GLI's have odd turbo configuration and are a lot more than just a turbo swap.
@@COMotorsports I have a 2019 gli wanting to do a turbo swap any thing I should know and is mandatory to upgrade
@@darkzmith3732 first nail down tuning and turbo for your setup. Again GLIs can be odd balls, meaning ECUs and turbos fitments can be different.
my setup is vortex xl blaze intake sensor mpi lpfp trackslag downpipe on 94 (e10) pretty excited to know how many power can make with that setup :P
Keep us posted on the results. I'm running same setup except I'm running a DBV2 V1 turbo. Best time on 94 pump was 11.2@125mph. Before I had the MPI 1300CC and the LPFP only running the HPFP on 94 octane plus Boostane I ran 10.9@127mph.
@@colinmcdonell5034 Very soon like 2-3 week
If you're referring to 94 (ron), it would be comparable to our 91oct here in North America. So you will see similar numbers despite having MPI and LPFP. So expect around 440whp. If you're referring to actual 94oct fuel then you will see a bit better simply due to the fuel, not the fuel setup.
@@COMotorsports No 94 from Québec Canada 😬
@@maximepaquette7438 So you'd see a little more.
is the vortex xl the best turbo you can get for the mqb
Everyone's goals are different. There is no "best" as what you want, the guy beside you may not.
Why did u replace the map sensor ?
Boost.
You guys get any APR DTR turbos on the dyno yet?
Yep, look for the S3 video on our channel.
what MAP sensor are you using?
5 bar
10:23 he’ll be needing motor mounts 😬 anyone know the HP loss from the FWD “Dyno” mode and the AWD on the street? At least 20 hp loss right?
The R basically runs in FWD mode until it breaks traction. What power numbers were shown is pretty accurate.
@@MeltingRubberZ28 Exactly.. if this was on a true linked AWD dyno, the front wheels would be the only wheels providing power to the ground anyways so it's not really much difference. The only difference would be the weight of the drums. But this is a 3000lb drum so it would end up being very similar. Companies like Iroz have stopped dynoing their cars in AWD as they've proven the difference is negligible and not worth the extra effort hooking up the rear hubs.
Why turbo did the second R have equipped before the Vortex XL? 378 seems spicy for a is38.
Stock turbo, stage 2
Is38. That was first file with XL
I'd like to know this as well but suspect maybe the base EQT XL tune? Usually the base file is a flat 25psi or so.
@@COMotorsports have you ever dyno'd a 2260s on the Mk7?
@@FWD_Problems only stage stage 2 pmax
What is your opinion on MPI? I was talking to someone about upgrading my turbo and they said that unless I do MPI I wouldn’t get the full potential of the turbo
Depends on the fuel for 91-93 octane for vortex standard just do lpfp and hpfp, on xl go with lpfp and mpi, for e30-e85 both lpfp and mpi
All depends on the fuel you plan on running. If you're never running E then MPI is not necessary.
That person is correct.
@@COMotorsportsok thank you where I’m from we only have 93 unless I wanna buy drums of E. Thank you for the response and BTW I love all your videos. Only thing is damn RUclips keep unsubscribing me from your channel.
@@rickystone9437 appreciate it, and weird thanks for hanging in.
How do you dyno this 4motion with only front wheel drive?
Unplug haldex
Nice
DON'T assume E10 from the pumps, all petrol suppliers will tell you "up to E10". So, test your local fuel frequently....year round I have seen from a low of 31% to a high of 11.3% for content. ALWAYS test your e85 pump fuel, every fill up.
We test it, and these cars specifically are not relying on it.
@@COMotorsports oh, It's not you I was addressing, it's all the others.
Where is the mk4 gti dream build I’ve been waiting to see what it makes😫
Closer, full 3.5" stainless exhaust is taking some time. It'll be running soon.
I’m genuinely surprised at how few “premade” water/methanol kits there are for mk7 VAGs. Considering how much work it took to get me Abarth dialed in on meth, mostly fiddling with the kit, I sort of expected it being a mostly unsupported platform.
That said, water/meth is very likely the reason why my engine is in one piece today.
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I really think you should put warning stickers on all these high power cars you are putting out when we have the MVOC rally. That way the rest of us will know not to mess with them and get embarrassed.
Just don't race MK7r's. lol
I have no R badges 🤫
Typhoon anyone?
We have one here and in the works.
With the Mk7’s stage 1 cool ,stage 2 a waste and stage 3 is where it’s at 😎 .
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This makes me wanna DSG swap my manual 7.5r...
It's a give and take for me. Sure they are amazing when it comes to acceleration, but the regular driving, parking lots, backing up all that stuff is what makes them feel trash IMO.
I wonder how much of a difference 93 octane would make ?
A little bit more.