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- Review of the $225 Kingsom KS-180 HEPA flexible arm solder fume extractor.
Does it suck?
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My own pinned comment seem to be mysteriously vanishing from this video, I suspect because it's got a links to ali-you know what. If you want the links, see the description above.
I've seen my comments on my own channel (as well as other people's) randomly disappear too. After some weeks they came back by themselves. They didnt contain any links either. Could be a different issue though.
My filter system is lots of nose hairs.
Wow, that's eff'd up! Seems like 'freedom of speech' and whatnot is getting to be practically nonexistent nowadays, or is at least heavily censored. Unreal.
Reminds me of War of the Worlds, just needs a light on the end!
@@R3TR0R4V3 Firstly, "freedom of speech" is for governments. Not companies. RUclips is allowed to "censor" whatever they want.
Second, I very much doubt this is in any way intentional. RUclips comments have been broken to some degree in the past. For example, look at any video that is ~10years old where the publishing channel has responded to some of them. You will often find that they are responding to comments that are no longer there, comment chains are broken up, and its a mess in general. Some of this may be caused by people deleting their google account, but with how much this seems to happen, it's probably not the main cause.
12:45 "I'm actually happy to trade off noise for suction." Aren't we all.
😂🤣😂🤣😂
Some people like the noise too, otherwise it feels like a silent film.
.. thats what she said ..
@@alch3myau she? he?
Hahahaha
Learned a new phrase today: "Tighter than a nuns nasty!". Thanks Dave!
Did you catch the "Dryer than a dead dingo's donger" in a previous video? I believe it was the arcade machine power supply one. The colorful euphemisms I am starting to think are a good portion of the entertainment for me.
Obviously never watched the film The Devils by Ken Russell then!
I got "suck it up buttercup" - one I can use.
the obverse of that one would be "like a hotdog down a hallway".
Flat out like a lizard drinking
Like a rat up a drainpipe
Cunning as an outhouse rat
my old boss would just filter the flux fumes through a cigarette
Done that, soldering & smoking - makes me cry !
That sucking tube looks like something out of War of the Worlds!
The day of the triffids
it does!
ruclips.net/video/kytDzjuBGJI/видео.html
Reminds me of ”2069: a Sex Odyssey." BTW, don't watch it. Seriously.
Just be sure to inhale it through a cigarette filter. No worries.
I think Dave was tricked, that's a Dyson space urinal.
Dyson sex toy ;-)
We have those damn Dyson urinals at work. They blow piss all over the place.
"Tight as a nun's nasty"
That is the first time I've heard that saying. Still laughing
guilty of scrolling down just to find if anyone commented this, lol
The earth has to be connected to every single piece of "outer metal wall, at least here in Germany. This was a real pain when I had to build a electric cabinet and hand control box from extruded aluminium and aluminium sheets during my apprenticeship. I had to screw down and low impedance measure at least 30 to 40 earth screw posts during my practical exam....
Edit: What I want to say, you aren't allowed to rely on the connection between fan and outer wall, both have to be connected separately via earth wire
My fume extraction method: exhaling slowly gently blowing the smoke away.
Good for you. But that is utter nonsense for anyone that does any serious soldering. Fumes fill the room. Breathing them = health problems including asthma or worse.
I've gotten real good at holding my breath.
i've actually made my own extractor recently after hearing a few times how bad it probably was to breathe.. . i was looking on amazon for charcoal filter elements and found a very cheap cabin air filter for a random car (it was under 5 bucks and decent sized and better than that spongy filter you showed) so i spent a while designing and 3d printing a thing to house the filter and hold a 120mm computer fan. it works very well but also only works within about 6"... that hose idea is great, i'll have to try and make something like that to attach to it now.
They should put a ring of LED lights on the end too
Ugly solution though. Horse for courses, don't try and be a jack of all trades.
I think it's a great idea. If not, then at least offer a transparent or translucent intake, so it doesn't shadow your workspace.
@@richfiles I like the transparent idea. One model they have does have a transparent round cover.
@Big Steve/videos - perhaps some, but I seriously doubt it would ever darken to the opaque black of the current material. And anyway, the transparent plastic wouldn't be for seeing clearly through but rather intended to let at least some light from above down onto the workspace
@Big Steve - That'd be excellent, you could add LED tape round it too just for the most insane looking 'Jetsons' style apparatus XD Seriously, some of my old LED computer fans clouded up but its a clear indication* of how dirty they are.
*Unintentional pun
"Tight as a nun's nasty" I'm... gonna have to remember this one. Love me some of these phrases.
Just love your videos, I sometimes just watch it to hear what you will come up with
I've got a whole home hepa system, same basic construction, uses 3 square filters, and a big fan to pull the air through them. Takes air from the cold air return, and returns it actually upstream from the intake. Probably not terribly efficient, but it works. We had a house fire, and did not know until the next morning but the hepa system filtered all the smoke out, such that none of the smoke alarms went off. One room was destroyed before it burnt itself out.
Been using one of the PACE branded for over two years in our welding shop for galvanized steel. Works awesome
@@sent18inel the smoke from galvanized contains zinc oxide which can be toxic in high concentration.
I do recommend getting your nails done once in awhile. It feels nice and your hands look awesome afterwards.
5:55 When you have that many scopes in your lab that you actually have to put them on your shelf sideways because otherwise they won't fit, you know you have a serious electronics lab....
16:30 "No problem with me" :D
I laughed like crazy for a few minutes.
Thank you so much, such small things make life beautiful.
"Does it suck?" in the description really got me :D
Thanks for the Review!
My electronics/makey stuff is confined to a shed at the end of my garden, so I just chopped a hole in the wall and fitted a bathroom extractor fan next to where I sit. Seems quite effective at making the fumes go away.
good if you can tolerate the noise. Most of the cost of that unit goes into a low noise motor, then the layered filter.
That video thumbnail is one of the best you have done so far 👍
I use a homemade fume extractor. It consists of a cardboard housing, dryer ducting hose, a really powerful CPU/case fan for moving the air, about 17 layers of that porous carbon filter that you showed (to make sure it gets filtered at least somewhat!), and copious amounts of duct tape to fix the leaks lol. Oh yeah, and a couple LEDs at the end of the hose to light up my workspace a bit more. Works like a charm, and the hose folds away nice and neatly.
If you play violin etc you will be breathing Rosin dust every time you play. It used as a resistance substance on the bow to make the strings sound.
it's non toxic unless burned.
Something you have to be wary of when buying products directly from a OEM in China, most OEM's in China make different grades of the same product. So for example a product made for the Chinese, India or the Africa market use cheaper or even less components than products exported to the USA and Europe etc. The Chinese consumers know this and they will often buy a product exported to the USA rather than the local variant. This isn't always true but is worth noting when buying directly of a Chinese OEM.
Wouldn't surprise me if the Pace one is higher quality in some way.
I'm using small-ish vacuum cleaner with speed control :P . It,s cheap (~$70 delivered ), powerful , have great filtration (HEPA13), and you can clean stuff with it. Downside is that it is quite loud even on low speed, have flexible tube and gets hot after a while. But works for me.
14:59 out of all the ways you could have said that, I think you explained it the best
I have one of the black cheap ones with the charcoal filter. I have the same problem... you have to be super close. I'm buying the Kingdom! Thanks Dave!
Thanks for making this video! I'm glad I saw it as I was thinking the only good "prosumer" fume extractor was the JBC Tools FAE1 and that thing is like $1400 USD with NO accessories! I didn't even know about the Pace Arm-Evac 150! It's less than half the price! I'm planning on ordering one of those to do double duty collecting soldering fumes as well as hooking up to my 3D printing enclosure to turn on in short intervals pulling the fumes out of there.
I still feel like the best way to do it would be to have an exhaust system all the way out the roof, that is if you can design a place with that in mind or through a cut in the window like an AC system would, i guess it depends on the amount of smoke but i always feel like no matter how good a HEPA system is eventually it will clog up and require more constant replacement of filters and for the smokers out there it's obviously convenient to have that vented fume extraction, however for when that's not an option the HEPA solution seems pretty reasonable.
You’re establishing a vacuum, so pulling in hot air during the summer and cold air during winter. Yes?
4:05 that's actually interesting visual effect, when you move that foam in front of a light, gives me and idea for a project
The shipping on just the tubing is pretty ridiculous: $55 shipping to the U.S.
I did some research, and it looks like you can buy the tubing that Hakko uses (www.hakkousa.com/products/replacement-parts/hakko-loc-line-kit-10192.html#) directly: a nozzle + 3 feet of tubing + 3 inch vent adapter is just north of $60 shipped to the U.S. at www.modularhose.com/Loc-Line-25-ID-System/25-anti-static/
Shipping from China has gotten ridiculously expensive lately. Hopefully shipping prices will down once things get back to normal.
Thank you for the research.🇩🇰
I built one years ago, using a 190 CFM fan designed for "hydroponics operations", and some loc-line hose from Amazon, look for: Loc-Line Anti-Static Vacuum Hose.
I put the fan and it's exhaust 20 feet away, so the noise is very low. The only thing I might add would be a HEPA filter.
Great! Thanks for sharing, I recently bought my first bench top fun extractor, like the the first one you showed, and it's OK, but I don't trust the filter. I'm going to order one of these bad boys.
Love your total legal power cable with no protection in active and natural pins. Off to order one, been looking at options for a while.
Looks like a pretty awesome product. Certainly a step up from a couple of 140mm PC fans and some dryer pipe!
I use a Weller zero smog unit. I highly recommend it. Although you need to maintain the filter on these fume extractors according to the manufacturer recommendations (replace every year or so).
Thanks for the reminder, I've been meaning to build my own extractor using an inline duct fan and some flexible ducting. Since I'm free to cut holes in my workshop all I want, my idea is to just dump it right out through the wall, no filtering really needed. Just need something to prevent weird things from crawling back in the other direction!
That's what I did. Choose wisely about the type of fan you get though. I got a bathroom fan and it's really quiet and weak, which is perfect for solder fumes. There are super powerful ones, but they'll eat your components and tools if you're not careful!
Mythricia, gravity flap vent - these are commonly used with extractor fans and vented tumble dryers, 100mm/150mm flap vent.
I like the fan assembly made of fully metal and works on the centrifuge principal like vacuum cleaners and kitchen fume extractors do...
I think this really calls for a "pimp my air filter episode" where you add a power switch at the nozzle and maybe add some LEDs (with switch) at the nozzle too, given that you'll always want a lot of light where you're soldering and the nozzle might actually block ambiant light.
Awesome video!! I've been looking at these nail salon extractors too but was unsure; $200-300 is still pricey if you end up with paper weight, so its great to know they actually work. The price/availability of replacement filters can also be a pita.
Yeah, they haven't gotten back to me on a filter price yet, it's not on their site.
@@EEVblog Wonder how it compares to the QUICK6101A1 ; canada.newark.com/quick/quick6101a1/single-arm-fume-extractor/dp/97W2555
@@stevenspmd Don't know, but looks like that wouldn't fit under the bench. I want to get rid of the noise source as much as possible.
@@EEVblog pulled the pin on the same :-) 394.72 USD / 550 CDN ; even at double the cost for shipping you can't beat the price.
@@stevenspmd The Kingsom has an activated charcoal filter. The 6101A1 does not. The filtration of the 6101A1 is a three piece cotton fiber affair similar to other lower-priced extractors on Aliexpress.
"solder fumes, don't breathe that!" from that blendtec video guy
I have a weller FT system at work, but the filter in this looks really nice. :)
Thanks for sharing the video.
I've go an OKI BVX-200 two station Fume Extraction Unit with one pipe inlet capped off, which always beeps at start up unit air flow gets going. It should only beep if there is a rise in pressure across the filter. Must have a play with the adjustment pot on the side. The beast feature is the wired remote so you can switch it on and off from the soldering station area. bought it at an auction selling off equipment from a company I used to work for.
Good tipp, thanks therfor!😊
LOL. That thumbnail.. I chuckle every time I see it. You're a funny guy, Dave! Cheers
Anyways.. About the fume extractor - I think I'll just take the Diy approach, using a big Pc fan, some flexible duct tubing and some filters taped to the inlet. 🤷🏻♂️ There's just no way I'm dropping over $200 bucks on one right now.
Excellent product
This Chassis can easy be modified for less noise. I used „Alubutyl“ to cover inside if the chassis and put some stripes on the fan chassis, what kills resonances. Now the main noise source is the air intake port.
11:36 the international society of electric motor enthusiasts approves that blower
Hi Dave, nice bit of gear.
I've thought of making a home extraction unit using an old articulated desk lamp arm and some flexible pipe, put the fan under the bench, add filtering later if I feel the need.
I also have an articulated magnifier, that clamps on the edge of the bench, that has blown flouro, adding LED lighting, could add a pipe to that too.
The trimmer probably adjusts the minimum RPM which is usually a bit critical because the motors require air over them for cooling. If you set it to lower RPM it will probably reduce the life of the bearings....or more likely bushes and when it seizes you'll find out the hard way if the motor was designed as 'impedance protected'. If you set it a lot lower then possible winding damage.
I don't know if you still have issues with focus point, but if you set your camera to spot focus, you can set the spot of focus in the middle or 1/3rd to the left or right and remember that, and then aim the frame there to allways have what you want in focus =)
I saw the advert saying it works for nail salons. I know what you're up to - you're moving back to the small lab and then turning this place into a beauty salon once we're allowed back outside again.
Kurtz Ersa makes them. I have a single and a double machine. One I move around the other stays at my main bench. These results articulating ducts are very fun fun
You can also use it to talk to the engine room on the HMAS EEVLab
I prefer to vent outside if possible. A lot of the noise will be probably due to the air flowing through the tube, can cut it down by insulating the tube and fan box.
David, the one that you linked on Aliexpress has free DHL shipping for Italy either :)
I use a 4” fan that sucks through 4” hvac ducting then through a 4”x16” carbon grow filter with activated carbon. It does the trick for me . If I’d buy it again i would buy a 6” fan and 6” filter or even a 8” setup. Ideally I would skip the carbon filter all together and port the fumes outside through a vent just using a 6” inline fan.
If you look at what Hakko is selling for a hepa fume extractor you’ll get a good laugh. The fan on the makko has to be a pinner 3” pc fan relying on some $2 carbon cut out square I used to use for my fish tank filtration lol. I do use cheap carbine squares from amazon as a prefilter at the begging of the 4” hvac tubing. This prolongs the life of the more expensive 4”x16” carbon grow filter
"Let me show you the unit that I actually got. So as you can see it's gigantic" - Dave 2020
That's what she said.
Something to note about rosin fumes is that arguably the ones from leaded solder are not as bad as the ones from lead-free solder. The lead-free rosin smells awful but even that aside MSDS on the lead-free rosin typically indicates that something extra is done to it that has some additional toxicity notes.
That said, filtering is a good thing in both cases.. just more important for lead-free.
Possibly. But in theory the rosin is the same.
Dave you have a Elephant in a box there !, we used to use those at a aerospace company in the UK I used to work with, Good one Dave yes they are very good :)
3:34 dropped a big 'ol glob-o-solder on the board.
It deserved it.
Good eye too, didnt notice that.
Never heard about the Jet-Hand-Soldering technique? Dave should do a video about it and share his skill.
@@EEVblog Nothing a hammer cant fix!
@@kennis265 I've done a LOT of soldering, I kept watching him add more and more solder, waiting for the metal splat. I was not disappointed lol
Throw the motor in the trash, put a subwoofer in, and let the party start!
You'll need to replace the tube with an audio grade one as well.
@@redsquirrelftw And remember to get the gold plated ones.
They sound way better!
Fit a radio to the unit and funnel the music up the tube whilst vacuuming.
Never used an extractor, been soldering since I was about 13, now nearly 50 no sign of any ill effects. Also given most of my stuff is done in the field most extractors are impractical.
Ahhh... The smell of burning rosin in the morning. Makes you look forward to the coming day...
I have the Weller Zero Smog, it has a multistage filter that is similar to the box-style filter that Pace have. It's a little noisy, a little pricey but I wouldn't solder anything without it
i've not looked into this much but i have found for a similar Fume extractor the FX180u the box style filters can be quite pricy like $50 USD for the Hepa by itself however flat filters you can find fairly easily for $50 for all 3 filters in a set, so for people on a budget it may be worth looking into other HEPA fume extractors that use cheaper to replace filters but make sure it's HEPA. Also worth mentioning i've found myself disapointed when looking for a decent fume extractor that exhosts out your window yet still has an adjustable arm like this one SO i'm basicaly straping one to my window and plan on using a wood spacer to fill in the rest of the windowspace. it will be in a configuration were it can be fairly easy to remove with ought permanent alterations to the window itself, just wanted to bring up that idea.
Best Thumbnail EVER !!!
the problem with the sponge crap carbon filters is that they're bonded with some glue, which might have already saturated the carbon to a degree.
"Charcoal filter?" My cat's litterbox came with that exact style, and it didn't do much there either.
If you were to build your own I would check a vacuum cleaner store or maybe an RV store. They may have RV Air conditioner parts that work as hoses and filters. I have 5m of windows next to my bench and I just open those and have a floor fan blowing that direction. I also use strong chemical solvents though so I want the smell going right outside.
Going for the slow boat... under $300 USD shipped to the states!
While watching this I started thinking/wondering if maybe a homemade downdraft type work area might work somehow. Obviously not as portable. Maybe if you have a dedicated area where you do all your soldering have a some slots cut into the bench as vents (or drill a bunch of holes) and under that have your filter and fan setup sucking the fumes down under the bench.
Great thumbnail!
I thought so :-D
I love the smell of good old colophony.
I've made so many thousands of solder joints since I made a bazillion Heathkits, other kits, and my own designs from childhood onward and I've experienced no negative effect from fumes... I've made so many thousands of solder joints since I made a bazillion Heathkits, other kits, and my own designs from childhood onward and I've experienced no negative effect from fumes... I've made so many thousands of solder joints since I made a bazillion Heathkits, other kits, and my own designs from childhood onward and I've experienced no negative effect from fumes...
Hm... I thought you would suffer from COPD and stuff like that and not from chronical repetition disesase.
personally I use a normal everyday vaccum cleaner hooked up to a DC power supply - most the 'infinite' motors or whatever they're called work fine on DC and you can thus run it way slower and quieter. Pull it through a carbon filter (or better yet plumb it out of the room) and job done. but yea some carbon filters are crap. use some expandable ag pipe for a pipe that holds some shape (though not anywhere near as well as that one you show).
8:55 Good old friend Peter Popoff got a shout-out
No matter were I sit, no matter how I place the board. The fumes will ALWAYS go straight into my face. It's like they get attracted or something!
BTW, the fume extractor on the right, the big black one. I have the exact same and it stopped working one day. Not during operation, but after it has just been sitting around for a while. It simply wouldn't start up again.
I always take the slow boat Dave :)
Thanks for great informative video. Would you say this is enough for solderinf and working in bedroom where you sleep? I plan to solder three days a week for few hours
15:00 - … did you just say tight as a … LMFAO!!
Should the hose be antistatic? Air rushing through it and it's going to build up charge. Maybe that's why the Pace is much more expensive. Not an issue for prototyping, but may not be up to production standards (1m distance from charges for long term/high volume reliability).
I doing it’s an issue, as the air is being pulled away from your work.
Yeah nice comparison 👍 I just got an ersa fume sucker that looks the same but costs double .....🤐
Because it is a flexible arm, it would possible to use this over your shoulder instead in front of you. It will capture fumes before it can get higher. That gives me the idea for another better solution.
I've always just used a Lil fan.. cheers
Yeah its look good for the price. For my lab I build my home one ectract direct to outside but for some one that cannot drill out or so then , umm yeah!!
Gosh, how do I love rosin flux fumes. Always gets me slightly high after 8+ hours of soldering.
I think that's the brain damage kicking in.
I should get a good fume extraction solution, currently I just breathe out while I'm soldering.
Some may think War of the Worlds from the thumb nail. But some older viewers may see it has' Day of the Triffids Or In Dave's case, it's War of the Fume Extractors. 👍
I've just realised I've been getting sick every time I've a soldering project 😬 I had resorted to going outside with a gas iron 😅 I'm stupidly chemically sensitive, I should have realised this was happening before this week🙈🙈🙈 "Lead free solder- it'll be graand" FACK!
Keep in mind that these filters need to be exchanged after a while. In school we had a mounted system with aluminium tubes with a few adjustable joints on them, and each pump served a row of them. The hobbyist exhausts seems like a complete joke. You really should take this fume issue seriously if you care about your health. I've looked around a bit before, and there isn't much available where I live, and the ones they do sell are very expensive. If I was to make myself a new soldering workspace, I would probably hack together my own solution where the exhaust is pumped outdoors, with just some basic filtering. Not that it would have to be limited to just soldering.
Who knew you'd be saying "It sucks" and "It's great" about the same product!
10:02 just make sure you get the right filters if you ever plan on going to the moon and an oxygen tank explodes after you get a request from mission control to stir the tanks. :)
Like the Apollo 13 reference.
I've been running one of the same model unit (but branded under the Fumego name as XF180 - link at the end) - works great for me. I have it mounted under my bench with a drilled hole to snake the extractor through to make everything as hidden and compact as possible.
One downside for the unit for me is that the unit powers up to off and pressing the speed control button was a huge pain in the ass because I have it hidden well under my bench. I have a smart-home plug controlling the connection to my soldering station power strip and so everything else instantly powers up with one button (and auto-powers off under certain conditions for safety etc) BUT this extractor would always require me to crawl under my bench to turn it on.
To resolve this, I first hooked up a Xiaomi smart plug module directly to the button input on the control board which worked alright but having it inside the device meant that the case attenuates wifi significantly and the line is at potentially dangerous voltage so wiring it outside wasn't going to work. This meant the functionality was intermittent and had now feedback on the current state which was pretty much unusable. So might next attempt was to wire a mains rated foot switch across the switch terminals - unfortunately in the process, I didn't sufficiently isolate between the connector I mounted to the chassis and the chassis. The switch line is obviously at ~mains voltage and I blew out presumably a bunch of components and tripped my breaker.
Finally I got back in contact with the supplier to purchase a replacement board and noticed that they now offer modifications to certain models to add the footswitch but apparently not on my model (or maybe possible by shipping the unit back - wasn't 100% clear). But I did inquire about making a FW mod to the device so that it starts up on max speed - they slightly misunderstood me but still got mostly the outcome I wanted by bodge-wiring past the button controller and just having the unit always run at full-speed when it has power connected. This means I can now run the extractor through it's own smart plug and control it reliably (but without ever being able to change speed anymore). If anyone is interested in performing that rework themselves - hit me up and I'll open the device back up and document it.
Link (Taobao/Tmall) - price: ~$196USD detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=575048462984
id def be interested. im in the same boat with these. they work great but the two things i wish they had were first a knob for speed control rather then the push button and only three speeds and that i have to turn it on separately every time i turn the bench setup on. i may look into doing a mod for more control when i have more time we will see depending on my medical issues. but yes i would def be interested in how they are doing it
Can you buy replacement filters for it? I mean, actually buy them anywhere? The same model seems to sell under the Vevor brand, and Vevor confirmed to me that they did not sell replacement filters. (How ridiculous is that...)
@@th3drizzl378 I'll have to come back to this, unfortunately that model is now at a friend's workshop but I'll see if I can drop by and check it out.
If you're spending someone else's money, I'm very happy with the Haako FA430-16. However I wish it had a kickswitch, or footswitch as I don't use it for long periods of time and I positioned the base under my bench, so an easier On/Off would be nice.
if only you knew someone into electronics who might be able to rig something like that up :)
That filter arm reminds me of War of the Worlds.