Fun fact: In an Interview, Michael Gibney (the actor who plays Alan) said that he didn’t like the character that he was portraying. He said and I quote “ This Alan character really isn’t working for me”
And now he’s going to have to live with the shame of playing him for the rest of his life. Poor guy. Edit: Of course, he worked pretty well with the script he was given, wouldn’t you say?
I think as much as the dialogue and script are awful, that his performance (while not that good) shows that he's at least an actor who really *acts* and puts himself into roles. Reminds me of Mark Patton in Gay Elm Street (Patton was better than Alan though). There's a lot more dedication and immersion in these roles than a lot of actors who collect big checks for big movies.
I agree with you! When I watch Sleepaway Camp, I always feel bad for her especially in the scene where Meg picks Angela and throw her to the water while she was screaming from despair, begging to not throw her at the water. Now Return to Sleepaway Camp, the only thing I got to think is they did Alan like a "new Angela" species where we were supposed to feel bad for him, but in the end, I hated him so much but so much that I was wanting Angela to kill him. To be sincere, I felt much more bad for the glasses shy boy than Alan.
I think the sequel should be better or maybe decent if the plot continues where the first movie ended. I always wanted to know what happened with Angela/Peter, Ricky or even Aunt Martha. Since the original Angela survived after boat accident, Don't exists any reason for her be a killer. I mean, when I heard Felissa rose played Angela again, immediately I thought she was going to play the same shy Angela from the first movie but when I discovered she not was going to play Angela/Peter but the original Angela of boat accident, It confused my mind a lot. Until today, I still be confused a lot. Never got to understand. I mean, If was the Angela/Peter, it should be acceptable since Angela/Peter was bullied, traumatized and even being forced by his aunt to be a girl, Now the original Angela being a killer after to survive the accident?? What was her reason? Return to Sleepaway Camp had a lot of potential to explore the characters of first movie and be a great sequel but in the end, I felt like RTSC tried to be like the first movie but without that magic that only the first movie has.
Agreed. And what a horrid choice of, I suppose, protagonist(?) and awful writing all around not only character wise. Anyone with at least a faint love for the original could've done better, personally I entirely agree with you that there are some fan theories, specifically that one that would've been nice to explore or speculate on. They could've had something there in the right hands but alas.
Or just to have them both in the movie again would have been magic. How they missed that opportunity is beyond me. There's so many cool angles the storyline could have gone with. It could have been a really fun sequel instead of a dud.
I feel bad for the frogs as well as the OG Sleepaway Camp actors. Sure, the whole “Sheriff Jerry is really Angela” thing was cool and it’s always great to see Ronnie, but Felissa Rose and Paul DeAngelo deserved to be brought back in a MUCH better movie, and so did Jonathan Tiersten. Ricky was the best character in the original Sleepaway Camp and in Jonathan’s own words, his appearance here is nothing more than a glorified cameo.
@@sidewinderenigma The fact the "Officer" has the same height as an average woman is so funny that I still don't believe Robert Hiltzik actually thought it would be a genius idea. That was the worst disguise I've ever seen in a movie since The Master of Disguise
Here's a better idea for Alan: Alan starts out being a bully and jerk to the nerds in his cabin, but he also gets bullied by people more powerful than him. One day, one of the nerds saves Alan, either from one of the bullies, or from a natural occurrence, like walking off a cliff, or sliding down a waterfall. Because of this, Alan becomes much more kinder, and starts to bond with the nerds.
Hey Jeremy, sorry for be late to reply ur comment but I need to say that I liked your idea - because Alan wouldn't just being sympatize enough for we care about him, but he would have also a character-development. I would like to see Alan being friends with the nerds, so when someone tries to pick the nerds, he would defense them back - like Ricky did, protecting Angela on the original.
Alan is the "jobber" in the bullies' locker room. He's "technically" a bully, but he was hired to make the other bullies look good. (NOTE: I mean "jobber" in the pro-wrestling sense, not fellatio.)
like sid haig in 3 from hell the man wasn't in the best of health while they were making this movie and he had a larger role in mind, but he died before they could film anything further for him.
"... but why did David the gnome have to turn into a fucking tree?!" For those of you youngsters who thought this was a random comment, this was real. And it hurt.
Finally one of my faviorite Cinema Snob episodes up on youtube! Mostly for the opening sequence, with this bit being one of my faviorite jokes from the series period. Jerid:Do you mind, it's 3 in the afternoon. Snob: Exactly it's 3 in the afternoon.
the whole time i watched this movie all i could focus on was "does this kid ever change his clothes? or wash them?" I know movies have a limited wardrobe for obvious reasons but they at least try keep the actors clothes clean throughout a shoot.
Apparently according to the writer/director and the Angela actress, she is playing the real Angela who apparently drowned. There is no explanation to how she survived. Also, apparently the Angela who was really peter in a institution during this movie
YES! This, along with "Lonely Lady" and "Old Fashioned" are my three favorite Snob episodes and it's awesome he finally has this one up! Maybe the complete two part version of "Caligula" is next?
I know Angela is supposed to be crazy, but even so, it seems a little weird that she's talking to her cousin, the one who attacked bullies bigger than him just to defend her, pretending to be a total stranger. Especially if she's obsessed with anti-bullying. It almost seems worse that they included him, the one person she should have had chemistry with. On the other hand, I feel it's a little unfair to call the movie predictable with it's twist when, I bet, most people wouldn't have known the original actress was in the film (most movie goers don't follow that kind of stuff religiously). So the sheriff looks weird, yes, but not "Look, it's that one actress whose name I don't even know, much less recognize under a bunch of fake skin and hair."
It's not obvious because of the actress, but because of the disguised voice; it just screams that the person might not be who they say they are, and who would want to hide their identity in a Sleepaway Camp film?
Its funny as hell when he says about when weed dies is he crying because his friend die or is it because he had all the weed him crying seem like he had all weed
@@Yeet-eq7ve nah, he'd just enslave them. Alan would be so obnoxious the kids would rather be around Angela. And if she wasnt around, they're drink bleach just to get away from him lol.
I do feel some empathy towards Alan. I was a lot like him in my early teens. His aggressiveness mostly comes from a place of feeling inadequate. He's obviously lashing out against smaller because bigger and stronger people lash out against him, and turning to animals instead. Of course, I thankfully outgrew the aggressive, bully tendencies but never the lonely aspects of it. I don't think Alan was a bad guy, he just needed something to concentrate his emotions into in a healthier enviorement.
Not justifying his actions or anything, just that I know the kind of thing he went through, going back and fouth from being a bully to someone who gets bullied. Shame we never got a deeper look into his character, I feel like if this film was handled with more nuance and grace, he could've been a fascinating character.
@@jordandehart6905 thats what i thought as well, alan would have worked so much better in an entirely separate non-horror movie. the first hour i almost forgot i was watching a sleepaway camp movie with how invested i was and then the last 30 minutes felt like they were just spamming in kills and hastily adding the angela twist to catch up to the name
The first Sleepaway Camp movie really was a lightning in the bottle type of film, most of the staff and cast of the original movie might be back but they clearly forgot what made the original good and forgot to make the main lead likable
Exactly. When your original movie ends with, “THAT’S A DICK!” with all kinds of subtle foreshadowing and buildup to said dick, how are you supposed to top it?
14:35 That's who should have been the hero of these movies: Ricky! Setting out to stop the monster that his own mother (who Angela/Peter may or may not have killed) created. And he knows her one weakness: calling her "Peter".
@@JimmyJohn89808 Yeah. I also have it in my headcanon that, after the first movie, Ricky's mom was sent to jail/the nuthouse for what she did to Peter/Angela. Ricky either goes through the Foster system or moves in with more sane relatives, becomes a cop, and tracks down Angela after she breaks out of jail/another nuthouse for another killing spree. And in my version, she's haunted by an imaginary version of Peter, the boy she used to be. Like a more messed-up version of the dynamic between Rex Reed and Raquel Welch's characters in "Myra Breckenridge" (look it up, and I forgot how I 1st came to know this).
Anyone else feel like Return to Sleepaway Camp is the slasher movie equivalent to the Star Wars sequels?: * Bringing back cast members from the original movie * Retconning previous follow-ups in the series * Recycling old ideas * The main antagonist returns in the most stupid way conceived
That awful moment when you realize that there are only ten minutes of the review left.. it's pretty dreadful. Specially when they feel like the shortest ten minutes ever...
I actually really liked that floor-spike scene. If I were there I would have moved away from that hole even if it was sealed up with brickwork, so seeing these idiots look down into the hole right away over and over is just unnerving and funny.
At least in the original, you feel sorry for Angela. I think they made him an asshole so people would assume he's the killer but it doesn't work when you're trying to make getting bullied his motivation for killing. He just comes off as a narcissist.
This is the first episode of my favorite Cinema Snob set, that includes both your 2013-2018 location and your current location. Good lighting, posters in the background (especially your Caligula poster), and you big comfy chair front in center. 4:00- Try saying that today, especially with Bumblebee released last month. Return to Sleepaway Camp is like Halloween (2018), only if it fucking sucked. 6:08- Is it just me, or does Angela disguised as a cop look like a shorter version of Ed Glaser? 11:21- *LOL* 13:27- I've seen Obscurus Lupa's review of Zombie Nation, and I agree with you about the music. 18:16- For not kicking out Alan, this camp is so sued. So fucking sued. 27:57- Welp, 2018 has came and went, and as far as my research on Wikipedia and IMDB goes, there's a film called Camp Cold Brook that was filled in 2017, but it has not yet been given a release date, and Angela is now being played by Danielle Harris, aka Jaime Lloyd from Halloween 4 & 5.
Oh hey, the Snob's best review ever is back up. This movie honestly deserves a Plinkett-style analysis. It's fucking flabbergasting how many bad decisions they made.
Didn't even know this episode was a thing! Nice! And for what's worth, there's something oddly satisfying about seeing a child molester scream in dying agony for 5 straight minutes.
All the deaths in this movie look like Mortal Kombat Fatalities that were rejected 😂 when the boiled chef was shown with that drum and music sting LMAO!
5:05 “Most unlikable lead since ‘Triumph of the Will’”, huh? Hmm... *looks up movie* Wow. Snob’s hate for Alan runs deep enough to beat out a Nazi propaganda movie? Damn.
Thank goodness that guy stood there yelling that. You know instead of rushing her so they can put this crazy killer down. She's not Jason, I'm pretty sure they can take her.
I hate when movies try to make you feel bad for jerk character for arbitrary reason. "Everyone is always picking on me because I'm different!" "They don't care I was sick once." Just because he has problems doesn't mean other people should have to deal with him. It makes me hate all the camp workers for not booting him from camp for his behavior.
You know, seeing both cooks getting boiled to death, makes me think, why haven't you reviewed Toxic Avenger? Seriously, dude, I've been eagerly awaiting for you to do a review of the flick because that seems to be your kind of film. So, you planning on making a review on the Toxic Avenger series? Or are you gonna toss in Robot Jox? Either I'll be happy, but I'm super happy you brought this gem back...BJ XD lol
I still miss the old intro song so much. Nice to hear 2 seconds of it to know that you guys do too. You guys remastered the audio as well? Sounds better than before.
man I love that intro song. Its just so cozy to hear that music to the images of the upcoming review of whatever trainwreck film is going to be getting the snob treatment.
I'm surprised that Brad didn't mention or talked about the post-credit scene. BTW: IDK about this....but, i think that ''Your ass stinks!'' would be something that Sans from Undertale would say to others.
I watched this while on a family road trip and we drove by a big summer camp and it made me think of the stuff that was happening in the movie was happening there except all the murders
I think James over at Dead Meat described this movie best: Robert Hiltzik is a film student who never really found his footing. Considering this is the only other film he’s made since the OG film, there’s some truth. No disrespect to the man, but he could’ve worked on other films but he was raising a family instead after the OG film was done
Thats very silly because both of his movies are actually very good. So that comment makes no sense. Cinema Is about having something to say and saying it through a movie, not about how much work you got.
I can't recall when this movie came out but the MPAA censorship of these kind of movie might have had something to do with the trimmed down sanitized death sequences. But perhaps it's mostly budgetary as the Snob eludes to in the review. I didn't watch any of the sequels until years later because the twist ending of the original burnt itself ito my brain and scarred me henceforth. And I've watched a lot of horror flicks in my tme. There's just some dark allies I refuse to revisit. That ending is one of them.
@@wingsandash I agree it's closer to early seasons Cartman where he's bitches & moans more often cause pple call him fatty whilst given Kyle shit for being Jewish. Before the infamous "Scott Tenorman Must Die" episode where Cartman "leveled up" shall we say.
And I thought the characters of Friday the 13th were stupid, these people make them look like geniuses! Also seriously Alan is the main character really that POS would have died first in other much better horror movies!
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Fun fact: In an Interview, Michael Gibney (the actor who plays Alan) said that he didn’t like the character that he was portraying.
He said and I quote
“ This Alan character really isn’t working for me”
And now he’s going to have to live with the shame of playing him for the rest of his life. Poor guy.
Edit: Of course, he worked pretty well with the script he was given, wouldn’t you say?
Nobody Special true, but it’s not all bad. He actually is a singer now named Gibbz. So it’s not all bad for him. He’s doing pretty good now.
He should've did characters in horror comedies like Scary Movie or that Devil Baby movie.
I think as much as the dialogue and script are awful, that his performance (while not that good) shows that he's at least an actor who really *acts* and puts himself into roles. Reminds me of Mark Patton in Gay Elm Street (Patton was better than Alan though). There's a lot more dedication and immersion in these roles than a lot of actors who collect big checks for big movies.
On top of that. I read somewhere that in an AMA, he admitted that Alan was a very hatable character
Every scene with Angela getting bullied made me feel sympathy for her.
Every scene with Alan getting bullied made me laugh out loud.
I agree with you! When I watch Sleepaway Camp, I always feel bad for her especially in the scene where Meg picks Angela and throw her to the water while she was screaming from despair, begging to not throw her at the water.
Now Return to Sleepaway Camp, the only thing I got to think is they did Alan like a "new Angela" species where we were supposed to feel bad for him, but in the end, I hated him so much but so much that I was wanting Angela to kill him. To be sincere, I felt much more bad for the glasses shy boy than Alan.
Unfortunately that means giving him more screen time, can't have everything I guess.
Talisguy That genuinely sounds like an interesting movie. Too bad this film didn’t do it and made Alan, an extremely unlikable person, the focus.
I think the sequel should be better or maybe decent if the plot continues where the first movie ended. I always wanted to know what happened with Angela/Peter, Ricky or even Aunt Martha.
Since the original Angela survived after boat accident, Don't exists any reason for her be a killer. I mean, when I heard Felissa rose played Angela again, immediately I thought she was going to play the same shy Angela from the first movie but when I discovered she not was going to play Angela/Peter but the original Angela of boat accident, It confused my mind a lot. Until today, I still be confused a lot. Never got to understand.
I mean, If was the Angela/Peter, it should be acceptable since Angela/Peter was bullied, traumatized and even being forced by his aunt to be a girl, Now the original Angela being a killer after to survive the accident?? What was her reason?
Return to Sleepaway Camp had a lot of potential to explore the characters of first movie and be a great sequel but in the end, I felt like RTSC tried to be like the first movie but without that magic that only the first movie has.
ALAN!!!!!! 😏
“ANGELAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!” That delivery gets me every time.
At least that’s the most memorable thing in this because it’s hilarious
@@user-dr2yz8um3d it’s awesome
This movie missed the opportunity to exploit the fan theory of both Angela and Ricky teaming up to kill the campers.
Agreed. And what a horrid choice of, I suppose, protagonist(?) and awful writing all around not only character wise. Anyone with at least a faint love for the original could've done better, personally I entirely agree with you that there are some fan theories, specifically that one that would've been nice to explore or speculate on. They could've had something there in the right hands but alas.
Or just to have them both in the movie again would have been magic. How they missed that opportunity is beyond me. There's so many cool angles the storyline could have gone with. It could have been a really fun sequel instead of a dud.
Which one? The Angela who turned out to be the brother all along or the real sister?
@@allysanchez5630 The former. Peter who later became Angela.
@@ginnrollins211 oh, thanks.
"Why are they calling him 'Blowjob'? His initials aren't BJ"...... It was then that I literally went "awww" and felt so bad for Brad. :/
I don't get it.
MrGMoney1944 The Cinema Snob’s real name is Brad Jones.
@@MrEmpoleon2010 awww
Homophobia will get you nowhere in life.
@gilson1982 That's irrelevant, it was probably common in the time and place Brad dealt with school type social dynamics.
Everyone in this film awful and the only ones to feel sad for are the frogs.
Poor frogs....They didn’t deserve to be in this movie.
I know. Poor little guys.
I feel even worse for the older actors like Jonathan and Felissa and even worse for Issac Hayes. They deserved better!!
BohemianScandalous well there is Ronnie
RIP poor little tortured froggies 😓😖😓 I hate people sometimes. 😡
I feel bad for the frogs as well as the OG Sleepaway Camp actors. Sure, the whole “Sheriff Jerry is really Angela” thing was cool and it’s always great to see Ronnie, but Felissa Rose and Paul DeAngelo deserved to be brought back in a MUCH better movie, and so did Jonathan Tiersten. Ricky was the best character in the original Sleepaway Camp and in Jonathan’s own words, his appearance here is nothing more than a glorified cameo.
I love how he doesn't even _try_ to hide the whole "Officer Jerry is Angela" twist.
I mean, the movie didn't exactly put much effort into it either.
Mulan put better effort into disguising as a man better than Angela
@@sidewinderenigma The fact the "Officer" has the same height as an average woman is so funny that I still don't believe Robert Hiltzik actually thought it would be a genius idea. That was the worst disguise I've ever seen in a movie since The Master of Disguise
Started out with the Sixth Sense and Unbreakable and left us with The Village...perfect analogy.
That 'oh shit he is coming after me' line was delivered so well it may have been followed by ' OH MY GOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDD!'.
Sleepaway Camp is it's own multiverse.
SCCU
Sleepaway Camp Cinematic Universe
I wanna see the movie where Angela starts dating Jason and they go on a murder spree together
Still a better anti-bullying PSA than Cool Cat Saves the Kids.
Cool Cat is a masterpiece 🙃
Cool Cat Saves The Kids is a better horror movie than Sleepaway Camp 2.
I mean cool cat doesn’t make anyone wanna stop bulling but return to sleep away camp shows some people bring it on themselves
Noooooooo shit lol
CoOL cAT loVEs To RuCk n RoOoWL
Here's a better idea for Alan:
Alan starts out being a bully and jerk to the nerds in his cabin, but he also gets bullied by people more powerful than him. One day, one of the nerds saves Alan, either from one of the bullies, or from a natural occurrence, like walking off a cliff, or sliding down a waterfall. Because of this, Alan becomes much more kinder, and starts to bond with the nerds.
Hey Jeremy, sorry for be late to reply ur comment but I need to say that I liked your idea - because Alan wouldn't just being sympatize enough for we care about him, but he would have also a character-development. I would like to see Alan being friends with the nerds, so when someone tries to pick the nerds, he would defense them back - like Ricky did, protecting Angela on the original.
Congratulations you are more talented than Return To Sleepaway Camp's writers!
It would’ve worked and given context and a plot, unlike this mess we just watched. As it stands I’d be fine if Alan fell off a cliff.
People like Alan become mass shooters because America is a horrible country that has no compassion for *all* people.
Maybe they shouldn't have had a large, loud fat kid be the suspicious lead when the killer is clearly a tiny, thin person?
Pigpen from Peanuts is more sanitary than Alan.
Also Alan is what happens when you take away everything likable about Bulk and Skull
Your mother.
YES FINALLY! I can watch my favorite of the Sleep Away camp episodes again.
I was thinking the same thing!!
Alan is the "jobber" in the bullies' locker room. He's "technically" a bully, but he was hired to make the other bullies look good. (NOTE: I mean "jobber" in the pro-wrestling sense, not fellatio.)
I knew what you mean ;) =)
So Alan is a human proxy in the sniper bully structure?
I don’t think anyone would let Allen anywhere near their junk
I believe the word for one who performs oral examinations is “the Gobber”
@@ginnrollins211 why every one rude to me
Talking about beating a dead horse. They tried to milk the shit out of the original Sleepaway Camp.
Return to Sleepaway Camp is like Halloween (2018), if it fucking sucked.
You know, if Isaac Hayes played the Chef, we should have gotten at least one "Hello there, children!"
Talk about a missed opportunity.
Plus he’s obviously wearing the red shirt
like sid haig in 3 from hell the man wasn't in the best of health while they were making this movie and he had a larger role in mind, but he died before they could film anything further for him.
Indeed. What a waste of one of the funniest talents on South Park.
It's 2019 and there's still no Sleepaway Camp 6. (Sigh of relief.)
Yeah, about that...
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Cold_Brook
"... but why did David the gnome have to turn into a fucking tree?!"
For those of you youngsters who thought this was a random comment, this was real. And it hurt.
Still does.
Finally one of my faviorite Cinema Snob episodes up on youtube! Mostly for the opening sequence, with this bit being one of my faviorite jokes from the series period.
Jerid:Do you mind, it's 3 in the afternoon.
Snob: Exactly it's 3 in the afternoon.
Lol!
Finally I can watch all his sleepaway camp episodes
It's impressive how stained Alan's only shirt is.
I imagine Alan having a delightful sour milk aroma
wopjohn Sour milk, sweat and feces.
Allen smells worse than a caveman probably
Dave Lister from Red Dwarf had better hygiene than Alan!
the whole time i watched this movie all i could focus on was "does this kid ever change his clothes? or wash them?" I know movies have a limited wardrobe for obvious reasons but they at least try keep the actors clothes clean throughout a shoot.
I think Ronnie didn’t slowly turn into JCVD, he turned into Danny Bonaduce
Apparently according to the writer/director and the Angela actress, she is playing the real Angela who apparently drowned. There is no explanation to how she survived. Also, apparently the Angela who was really peter in a institution during this movie
The saga is now complete. Time to do the time warp again!
You guys are really spoiling us with all these great blasts from the past during Brads hiatus, and its appreciated.
YES! This, along with "Lonely Lady" and "Old Fashioned" are my three favorite Snob episodes and it's awesome he finally has this one up! Maybe the complete two part version of "Caligula" is next?
I know Angela is supposed to be crazy, but even so, it seems a little weird that she's talking to her cousin, the one who attacked bullies bigger than him just to defend her, pretending to be a total stranger. Especially if she's obsessed with anti-bullying. It almost seems worse that they included him, the one person she should have had chemistry with. On the other hand, I feel it's a little unfair to call the movie predictable with it's twist when, I bet, most people wouldn't have known the original actress was in the film (most movie goers don't follow that kind of stuff religiously). So the sheriff looks weird, yes, but not "Look, it's that one actress whose name I don't even know, much less recognize under a bunch of fake skin and hair."
It's not obvious because of the actress, but because of the disguised voice; it just screams that the person might not be who they say they are, and who would want to hide their identity in a Sleepaway Camp film?
I’ll be honest I thought he was just ducking around with the whole cop being Angela thing
Finally the Sleepaway Camp/Stand By Me crossover I was waiting for.
From time to time I come back to this video just to hear Ricky shout, "ANGELA!" 🤣
I’ve missed this episode! Thanks Brad!
This was classic! I am so glad I got to rewatch. I cracked up the whole way through. Thanks Snob!
Its funny as hell when he says about when weed dies is he crying because his friend die or is it because he had all the weed him crying seem like he had all weed
I keep expecting Not-Angela the Cop to end every sentence with "Wesleyyyy."
"This is the worst lead character in the history of this show."
Ah, 2013 Snob, wait until a little piece of heaven
Kirk Cameron still isn't worse than the lead in Triumph of the Will.
Or Last Ounce of Courage
@@SpeedyEric1 ok you got me there
@@Yeet-eq7ve NEITHER of them should be near children, heh.
@@Yeet-eq7ve nah, he'd just enslave them. Alan would be so obnoxious the kids would rather be around Angela. And if she wasnt around, they're drink bleach just to get away from him lol.
Dont know what you mean about alan. He's seems like such a r/nice guy.
I know. He’s just a misunderstood, lonely outcast. He deserved better.
How the hell is this camp even still open after the first death it would've been closed down and investigation time.
"You are sued. So fucking sued." (The Cinema Snob, Sleepaway Camp review)
Unlike in Friday the 13th part 6 where they at least change the camp name, this movie said no let not do that.
I think Brad’s read of the line “Acting...” is one of my favorite things ever.
I do feel some empathy towards Alan.
I was a lot like him in my early teens. His aggressiveness mostly comes from a place of feeling inadequate. He's obviously lashing out against smaller because bigger and stronger people lash out against him, and turning to animals instead. Of course, I thankfully outgrew the aggressive, bully tendencies but never the lonely aspects of it.
I don't think Alan was a bad guy, he just needed something to concentrate his emotions into in a healthier enviorement.
Not justifying his actions or anything, just that I know the kind of thing he went through, going back and fouth from being a bully to someone who gets bullied. Shame we never got a deeper look into his character, I feel like if this film was handled with more nuance and grace, he could've been a fascinating character.
Sorry But Not Sorry Jordan DeHart, but I'm not empathizing nor feeling sorry for an annoying antisocial hypocritical bully.
@@jordandehart6905 thats what i thought as well, alan would have worked so much better in an entirely separate non-horror movie. the first hour i almost forgot i was watching a sleepaway camp movie with how invested i was and then the last 30 minutes felt like they were just spamming in kills and hastily adding the angela twist to catch up to the name
It's finally here THANK YOU SO MUCH
The first Sleepaway Camp movie really was a lightning in the bottle type of film, most of the staff and cast of the original movie might be back but they clearly forgot what made the original good and forgot to make the main lead likable
Exactly. When your original movie ends with, “THAT’S A DICK!” with all kinds of subtle foreshadowing and buildup to said dick, how are you supposed to top it?
Not at all. The series Is very solid.
It may've been dumb to have Angela stare at the camera at the end, but Christ does it scare the shit out of me every time
The long lost origin of the good set era!
I remember that Charlie Brown didn't the back of his head look like a baseball? Then he actually got popular.
You are correct
14:35 That's who should have been the hero of these movies: Ricky! Setting out to stop the monster that his own mother (who Angela/Peter may or may not have killed) created. And he knows her one weakness: calling her "Peter".
That would have been more interesting.
@@JimmyJohn89808 Yeah. I also have it in my headcanon that, after the first movie, Ricky's mom was sent to jail/the nuthouse for what she did to Peter/Angela. Ricky either goes through the Foster system or moves in with more sane relatives, becomes a cop, and tracks down Angela after she breaks out of jail/another nuthouse for another killing spree. And in my version, she's haunted by an imaginary version of Peter, the boy she used to be. Like a more messed-up version of the dynamic between Rex Reed and Raquel Welch's characters in "Myra Breckenridge" (look it up, and I forgot how I 1st came to know this).
@@louisduarte8763 Now, you see that you made a more interesting story than what they did here.
@@JimmyJohn89808 Thanks! I aught to watch that movie, just for '60's-'70's Raquel Welch, meow.
Anyone else feel like Return to Sleepaway Camp is the slasher movie equivalent to the Star Wars sequels?:
* Bringing back cast members from the original movie
* Retconning previous follow-ups in the series
* Recycling old ideas
* The main antagonist returns in the most stupid way conceived
Somehow Angela has returned…!
That awful moment when you realize that there are only ten minutes of the review left.. it's pretty dreadful. Specially when they feel like the shortest ten minutes ever...
I read this comment exactly with ten minutes left!
I actually really liked that floor-spike scene. If I were there I would have moved away from that hole even if it was sealed up with brickwork, so seeing these idiots look down into the hole right away over and over is just unnerving and funny.
She didn't kill Alan because he was 'different', granted, you're right about Angela being different in different ways to Alan.
At least in the original, you feel sorry for Angela. I think they made him an asshole so people would assume he's the killer but it doesn't work when you're trying to make getting bullied his motivation for killing. He just comes off as a narcissist.
This is the first episode of my favorite Cinema Snob set, that includes both your 2013-2018 location and your current location. Good lighting, posters in the background (especially your Caligula poster), and you big comfy chair front in center.
4:00- Try saying that today, especially with Bumblebee released last month.
Return to Sleepaway Camp is like Halloween (2018), only if it fucking sucked.
6:08- Is it just me, or does Angela disguised as a cop look like a shorter version of Ed Glaser?
11:21- *LOL*
13:27- I've seen Obscurus Lupa's review of Zombie Nation, and I agree with you about the music.
18:16- For not kicking out Alan, this camp is so sued. So fucking sued.
27:57- Welp, 2018 has came and went, and as far as my research on Wikipedia and IMDB goes, there's a film called Camp Cold Brook that was filled in 2017, but it has not yet been given a release date, and Angela is now being played by Danielle Harris, aka Jaime Lloyd from Halloween 4 & 5.
Oh Isaac Hayes and just a
to thank you receive an Academy Award for the musical score in Shaft the original Shaft
I've been waiting so long for this episode to come back up. Thank you Brad.
Can't believe I have never seen this one. Glad you uploaded this.
Oh hey, the Snob's best review ever is back up.
This movie honestly deserves a Plinkett-style analysis. It's fucking flabbergasting how many bad decisions they made.
Didn't even know this episode was a thing! Nice!
And for what's worth, there's something oddly satisfying about seeing a child molester scream in dying agony for 5 straight minutes.
Also, Snob, how dare you diss Napoleon Dynamite????
All the deaths in this movie look like Mortal Kombat Fatalities that were rejected 😂 when the boiled chef was shown with that drum and music sting LMAO!
5:05 “Most unlikable lead since ‘Triumph of the Will’”, huh? Hmm...
*looks up movie*
Wow. Snob’s hate for Alan runs deep enough to beat out a Nazi propaganda movie? Damn.
This was my reaction in 2013 😂
The scene of those two morons continuously looking into the hole made me laugh out loud :D
Notice that this one has a TC (part 2 reference) and a Karen (the actress from the 1st film that played Judy is actually named Karen Fields)
Brad "BlowJob" Jones
Craig Golightly
Doug “Funny” Walker
“ANGELAAAAAA!!! 😲”
Thank goodness that guy stood there yelling that. You know instead of rushing her so they can put this crazy killer down. She's not Jason, I'm pretty sure they can take her.
Thank you for that, Ricky. 🤨😏
Did you see how he just had a poker face while she spoke, then just broke out with that line?
7:10, one of the best Cinema Snob references ever. Especially, because if I recall Brad and Shit-For-Brains liked Gigli in the Midnight Screenings.
I hate when movies try to make you feel bad for jerk character for arbitrary reason.
"Everyone is always picking on me because I'm different!" "They don't care I was sick once."
Just because he has problems doesn't mean other people should have to deal with him. It makes me hate all the camp workers for not booting him from camp for his behavior.
Oh how I missed this episode! Thanks for reuploading it :D
I was JUST looking for this video last week, couldn't find it anywhere and got so frustrated. I'm so glad it's back!
Now I want a three part South Park episode that is a spoof of the Sleepaway Camp series.
You know, seeing both cooks getting boiled to death, makes me think, why haven't you reviewed Toxic Avenger? Seriously, dude, I've been eagerly awaiting for you to do a review of the flick because that seems to be your kind of film. So, you planning on making a review on the Toxic Avenger series? Or are you gonna toss in Robot Jox? Either I'll be happy, but I'm super happy you brought this gem back...BJ XD lol
YES!! Thank you, Brad! Thank you! I've waited years to see this one again. My favorite 2013 Snob episode!
I'm still waiting to learn who's behind all the fun and interesting cover photo art for every video.
This movie looks like it was made in 1986, not 2008
2003, but your point still stands.
Nah, it really does look like an early 2000s film. I think it's just the environment that gives an old, 80s vibe.
Or 1994
The goofy female fashion matches the early 00s-mid 00s.
Look like it has the same atmosphere as Scream & Final Destination.
Looks like the original director of Sleepaway Camp lost his edge when he came back making this.
Just like any person who worked on 80s and 90s movies/TV shows when they have to work in 2000s productions
I remember that episode of The Simpsons when Homer Simpson put his shirt in the deep fryer.
"Why did David the Gnome have to turn into a fucking tree?" WOW. Brad with the deep fucking cuts.
I still miss the old intro song so much. Nice to hear 2 seconds of it to know that you guys do too. You guys remastered the audio as well? Sounds better than before.
man I love that intro song. Its just so cozy to hear that music to the images of the upcoming review of whatever trainwreck film is going to be getting the snob treatment.
How did Ricky not recognize his own cousin? Especially one that he lived with for eight years.
Easily one of my favorite reviews!! I was waiting so eagerly for this to pop up on RUclips.
I'm surprised that Brad didn't mention or talked about the post-credit scene.
BTW: IDK about this....but, i think that ''Your ass stinks!'' would be something that Sans from Undertale would say to others.
Thanks a lot! Can finally watch one of my favorite episodes.
Many thanks CS for the reupload!
Props to the bunk bead death though that’s a pretty creative one
I thought this episode was lost forever
Happy day! It’s back
Alan is basically Chris Chan.
He's more akin to a live action cartman..I. an at least belive Alan wouldn't cross the raped his own mother line
I watched this while on a family road trip and we drove by a big summer camp and it made me think of the stuff that was happening in the movie was happening there except all the murders
12:21 12:22 that is one coal-like corpse. Dude got barbecued to a crisp.
The only scene where I actually felt for Alan getting bullied was the paintball scene.
It reminds me of the scene where the troop hits private Pile with soap socks in Full Metal Jacket.
24:00 hes like the " what's all the noise?" Guy in birdemic
The first 3 movies are so fun 💕and camp in the best way😂
Finally! I’ve been waiting to see this again.
I like to think of Return to Sleepaway Camp as Trevor Philips's (from GTA 5) origin story. :)
I think James over at Dead Meat described this movie best: Robert Hiltzik is a film student who never really found his footing. Considering this is the only other film he’s made since the OG film, there’s some truth. No disrespect to the man, but he could’ve worked on other films but he was raising a family instead after the OG film was done
Thats very silly because both of his movies are actually very good. So that comment makes no sense. Cinema Is about having something to say and saying it through a movie, not about how much work you got.
Good on robert for looking after his family.
I can't recall when this movie came out but the MPAA censorship of these kind of movie might have had something to do with the trimmed down sanitized death sequences. But perhaps it's mostly budgetary as the Snob eludes to in the review. I didn't watch any of the sequels until years later because the twist ending of the original burnt itself ito my brain and scarred me henceforth. And I've watched a lot of horror flicks in my tme. There's just some dark allies I refuse to revisit. That ending is one of them.
I fucking love Ronnie's accent!!!!
I just looked up this 1980s looking slasher movie and imagine my surprise when I found it was 2008
I refuse to believe that Allan never killed anyone
I’ll just go with there were 2 killers
Even Cartman of the newer seasons is more likeable than Allen.
A more likable Cartman cannot be Cartman; rather, a reasonable facsimile.
Also, Allen really is classic Cartman.
wingsandash no, classic cartman was funny
@@wingsandash I agree it's closer to early seasons Cartman where he's bitches & moans more often cause pple call him fatty whilst given Kyle shit for being Jewish. Before the infamous "Scott Tenorman Must Die" episode where Cartman "leveled up" shall we say.
My favorite episode!
man cam tech has sky rocketed since 2013
And I thought the characters of Friday the 13th were stupid, these people make them look like geniuses! Also seriously Alan is the main character really that POS would have died first in other much better horror movies!
At least some of the characters in Friday the 13th are likable. I don't give a Shit about this dickhead
I didn’t know that Chef and Ned from South Park were in this movie!
And Eric Cartman. 😂
2:44 I remember David The Gnome :3