I'm from a country that believes throwing money into healthcare solves the problem. It doesn't. Canadians, don't make the same mistake. The math is simple. The labor force cannot afford to pay enough in taxes to provide quality healthcare for an increasing elderly population. There simply isn't enough money. Furthermore, this system, which relies on having a family doctor for access to any proper preventative care, is fundamentally flawed. I don't know of any other country where you need a referral for any basic examination. For instance, if you have knee pain, you should be able to go directly to an orthopedist. It's straightforward. Why does Canada need to add bureaucracy and more paperwork?"
Actually, I am not sure that is Canada. When I lived in Quebec for 20 years, no referrals were needed. When I came to Ontario I was annoyed that I needed a referral thereby increasing the doctor's income for signing a form and making Medicare more expensive for us all.
Justin and friends have told us that competition is good in the food business. Logic and common sense would suggest that it is good in the healthcare business.
It won't if you don't go to those private clinics. There are lots of public walk-in clinics. Those private clinics will mostly cater to people with health insurance from their companies and that has no effect on your taxes.
@@robocop581 1)Did you even watch the video? Try listening to what people said in the video. 2) that is the Same B.S. they say in the US. The U.S. spends 2x per capita on healthcare, regularly bankrupts people and they still have shorter life expectancy than Canada.
Get rid of the expensive bureaucracy that chokes out the will to stay, or the government that fired good medical staff because they wanted to trust their training rather than a global dictatorship
I'm on Vancouver island. My family doctor left their practice three years ago . I have none now , but I see a nurse practitioner so I guess I'm lucky .
Greed? No. Smart doctor. A doctor gets $87 for a general physical assessment. Which is about 30min or more. So 2/hr. = $175/hr. That has to pay for the office rent, staff wages, all overhead… and whatever is left the doctor keeps… maybe 40-80/hr. minus a marginal tax rate of around 48% with some overhead deductions. That’s what a family doctor who runs their own office makes. This doc was Sick and tired of being a doctor AND a small business owner. Paying out of pocket for overhead, lease, staff, supplies etc. Sick of spending much of their their time dealing with lease agreements, staff issues, hiring, payroll, broken fax machines, dead internet, phone, supplies, reviewing labs, referrals, more labs, all manner of random paper work, insurance forms, sick notes… ALL of which is UNPAID time. ALL that plus they have to be a doctor.
I'm in Sault Ste. Marie. This month, 10,000 of us got letters from our Group Health Centre saying we no longer had access to their same day clinic because our doctor's retired or left. My doctor retired last month. Usually the group health center would at least let us see their other doctors at the same day clinic, but now they have gotten rid of 10,000 of us.
I am . The dream is a nightmare. Went from Europe to the states (washington state) and now BC . The worst move of my life. The incomes are terrible the medical is third rate and everyone is struggling for just the basics . The only immigrants that will stay are those coming from third world countries who have no other choices . Canada needs to fix and help its own people before it welcomes in millions of people on fake student visas and degrees.
Still omitting the role insurers play here? W5 have a documentary called stacked odds, explaining how we are spending $5bn in taxpayer money to pay judges and lawyers to quash medical malpractice lawsuits. That buys some good doctors and a lot of nurses. Instead…more of this with little to no regulation for the doctors who are still out there.
Public Healthcare no longer works when caregivers are over worked and not compensated for what they're deserved, and I'm not just talking about doctors, but also all nurses and support workers. What canada is offering to their healthcare workers is a joke, and we see the exodus of them all leaving to the US after our tax money goes towards their training. Furthermore, if public health is working so well as testified by these people, then why are emerge rooms so full and wait times so long for surgeries etc.? Its not working, bring in both private and public healthcare.
This is what happens when socialism and “compassion” go completely unchecked. Canada is fundamentally mismanaged by incompetent bureaucrats. We have a simultaneous labour shortage and a massive amount of people receiving welfare and disability money. That’s insane in itself. Couple that with huge debt, massive spending, and an enormously bloated public sector, which generates zero value, AND you want “free” healthcare, dental, drugs, education…. But don’t actually want to encourage capitalistic wealth generation…which you know, actually pays for everything. we are well and truly on the way to ruin.
So why not ask the Doctors WHY they leave and sort it out. Look at Nova Scotia no private system and yet no chance of getting a doctor in many years and 12 hr wait in emergency......terrible.
Medicine should be similar to the military where you don't get a say where you work. Doctors all want to go to Toronto and Vancouver and make the most amount of money with the largest populations. Medicine is so desirable as a career that you could do this and people would still want to be doctors.
And so is to panic on homelessness, education, and everything else that entices public funding. Money is a very partial response. But the political system is to change.
Why not the same criticism of specialists who avoid general medicine in order to make money and dump these problems on primary care providers? Not sure why we expect family physicians to work for free particularly when they are the bridge to the rest of one’s healthcare.
Specialists should have their income drastically reduced and transferred to family doctors. Nations should sign treaties to prevent poaching medical professionals from each other. Its a race to the bottom
You can thank student loan debt on doctors leaving public health clinics. Young doctors will never work for public clinics when they have to pay $3,000-$4000 for student loans per month - yet pts don’t want to pay that per year.
This is a great and much-needed news story. Thank you Wendy Campbell for your dogged hard work! I still don't have a family doctor but maybe the tide is turning thanks to increasing activeness and awareness. Our healthcare system has become a tragedy and a disaster. Doug Ford and his minions/cronies need to be swept aside in the next election.
My doctor was telling me he was semi retiring but he had brought in another Dr a few years back to transition. This Dr did not have a succession plan. That's the issue. The oma should be doing more for these Dr who don't have plans in place. Boomer Dr are not going to work forever
Yeah, I'm sure EVERYTHING would be better without the government's inept involvement. Especially things like, I dunno: police, firefighters, national defense, our justice system, all roads, sidewalks and highways, water and sewage treatment, response to natural disasters, etc, etc. Yeah, I can't foresee any problems if that was ALL privatized. We could be as well off as Somalia!
@DrRestezi The whole idea of a 'gvmt for people' is the creation of right conditions and insentives for individuals' business activity. About roads: in the US, roads are built on average 3-5 times faster than in Canada. Gvmt supervising, companies work day and night if needed. (Just an example)
hire more new doctors that the "big" issue that these people cant solve. More competition and less patients per doctor= better service to patients. Lots of foreign doctors driving uber here let solve that, also bring in more foreign doctors because our doctoral colleges cant get over their bureaucracy.
BS. Administrative costs is an excuse, those GPs are simply finding a way to make more $$, and QP & OMA is allowing the loophole in our UPHC system. If not careful, it will go the way of OPG.
We take our heath for granted because we believe the public system will be there to fall back on. If everyone who COULD be generally heathy was this would be much less of a problem. Add demographics, the chance to practice in other countries, and the administrative burdens, and we have this extremely challenging situation. There is no fast solution to health care and the public sector has a lot of priorities and costs to balance.
We don't take it for granted it's gone in the toilet for the last 25 to 30 years. It's a call in system. It's like order a part and having to wait six months because the part comes from China and not only is it the wrong part but it's broke and made of plastic that's our health system in a nut shell.
When Are you people going to understand that canada healthcare is following The United States, next decade is gonna be done ,its impossible to afford, is more important spending millions creating transportation for ,people that live under the system, werever we say here dosen't change nothing at all , system is created, werever is not happy just need to pack there ,stuff and ,see you later unfortunately 😢😢
Remember folks. With these " gimmicky and meaningless " gas tax and license fee elimination, the province has less $$ for vital services and programs, such as health care and education...
try finding a doctor in my hometown in new brunswick and has been that way for my 45 years but now its a problem because its your doctor spare me your faux outrage
Unfortunately the generation that needs it the most is the generation that created this. Blame for all you want, but this has been happening way before him.
In the final analysis, family doctors are people who are greedy and want money. You cannot legislate away greed. A free market solution is needed to to increase the number of medical school graduates by deregulating tuition and admission. Any universisty student should be allowed to attend medical schoold if they want to become a doctor, there just needs to be a licensure exam like a bar exam that would need to be passed before residency would be allowed. The OMA and CMA has created so many barriers to allow perspective students to become doctors. The problem is supply and it can easily be solved with the right approach.
????? Last I checked, most of Toronto didn’t vote for the provincial conservatives. You can even vote for a party and not agree with all of their policies. Sounds more like you got a chip on your shoulder about Toronto for whatever reason
takes me 4 weeks to get an appointment with may family doctor of 30 years, no surprise
This is why I hate clinics that do it by appointment. My clinic is first come first serve so you go and put your name down and wait for 1-2 hours
I'm from a country that believes throwing money into healthcare solves the problem. It doesn't. Canadians, don't make the same mistake.
The math is simple. The labor force cannot afford to pay enough in taxes to provide quality healthcare for an increasing elderly population. There simply isn't enough money.
Furthermore, this system, which relies on having a family doctor for access to any proper preventative care, is fundamentally flawed. I don't know of any other country where you need a referral for any basic examination.
For instance, if you have knee pain, you should be able to go directly to an orthopedist. It's straightforward. Why does Canada need to add bureaucracy and more paperwork?"
Actually, I am not sure that is Canada. When I lived in Quebec for 20 years, no referrals were needed. When I came to Ontario I was annoyed that I needed a referral thereby increasing the doctor's income for signing a form and making Medicare more expensive for us all.
As for sick notes, if an employer wants one they should be made to pay for it.
And Ford wants more private clinics saying that it will in no way affect the cost to patients.
Justin and friends have told us that competition is good in the food business. Logic and common sense would suggest that it is good in the healthcare business.
It won't if you don't go to those private clinics. There are lots of public walk-in clinics.
Those private clinics will mostly cater to people with health insurance from their companies and that has no effect on your taxes.
@@robocop581 1)Did you even watch the video? Try listening to what people said in the video.
2) that is the Same B.S. they say in the US. The U.S. spends 2x per capita on healthcare, regularly bankrupts people and they still have shorter life expectancy than Canada.
If there’s no private clinics what if the doctors who would practice in the private sector go to USA instead of going to public health system?
@@ryuuguu01 Yes I did
That lady and those other 1,599 patients don't have to follow that doctor. They can look for another one in the Public sector.
Get rid of the expensive bureaucracy that chokes out the will to stay, or the government that fired good medical staff because they wanted to trust their training rather than a global dictatorship
I'm on Vancouver island. My family doctor left their practice three years ago . I have none now , but I see a nurse practitioner so I guess I'm lucky .
I havent had a doctor for 5 years and manage fine. Doctor's are so different from when I was young.
How long does it take to write a sick note? 60 seconds to write "they are sick" -signed doctor. Stop lying
Greed? No. Smart doctor.
A doctor gets $87 for a general physical assessment. Which is about 30min or more. So 2/hr. = $175/hr. That has to pay for the office rent, staff wages, all overhead… and whatever is left the doctor keeps… maybe 40-80/hr. minus a marginal tax rate of around 48% with some overhead deductions.
That’s what a family doctor who runs their own office makes.
This doc was Sick and tired of being a doctor AND a small business owner.
Paying out of pocket for overhead, lease, staff, supplies etc.
Sick of spending much of their their time dealing with lease agreements, staff issues, hiring, payroll, broken fax machines, dead internet, phone, supplies, reviewing labs, referrals, more labs, all manner of random paper work, insurance forms, sick notes… ALL of which is UNPAID time.
ALL that plus they have to be a doctor.
I've never been seen by any doctor for more than 5-10 minutes, including hospital visits. Usually they are in and out in 2 minutes.
@@craftykatThen that doctor bills code A004: General re-assessment: $38.35. Or an A001: minor assessment $23.75. Try getting a plumber for less.
Greed.
If private clinics are supposed to help people, create a new tax for doctors that make over 25% of the benchmark.
I'm in Sault Ste. Marie. This month, 10,000 of us got letters from our Group Health Centre saying we no longer had access to their same day clinic because our doctor's retired or left. My doctor retired last month. Usually the group health center would at least let us see their other doctors at the same day clinic, but now they have gotten rid of 10,000 of us.
Why is everyone crying? Canada is doomed as a nation...The Canadian dream is to exit as soon as possible...
That's our government they want the sick and dying to vote assisted suicide. sick and dying patients are such a bother.
I am . The dream is a nightmare. Went from Europe to the states (washington state) and now BC . The worst move of my life. The incomes are terrible the medical is third rate and everyone is struggling for just the basics . The only immigrants that will stay are those coming from third world countries who have no other choices . Canada needs to fix and help its own people before it welcomes in millions of people on fake student visas and degrees.
Still omitting the role insurers play here? W5 have a documentary called stacked odds, explaining how we are spending $5bn in taxpayer money to pay judges and lawyers to quash medical malpractice lawsuits. That buys some good doctors and a lot of nurses.
Instead…more of this with little to no regulation for the doctors who are still out there.
Public Healthcare no longer works when caregivers are over worked and not compensated for what they're deserved, and I'm not just talking about doctors, but also all nurses and support workers. What canada is offering to their healthcare workers is a joke, and we see the exodus of them all leaving to the US after our tax money goes towards their training. Furthermore, if public health is working so well as testified by these people, then why are emerge rooms so full and wait times so long for surgeries etc.? Its not working, bring in both private and public healthcare.
This is what happens when socialism and “compassion” go completely unchecked. Canada is fundamentally mismanaged by incompetent bureaucrats.
We have a simultaneous labour shortage and a massive amount of people receiving welfare and disability money. That’s insane in itself.
Couple that with huge debt, massive spending, and an enormously bloated public sector, which generates zero value, AND you want “free” healthcare, dental, drugs, education…. But don’t actually want to encourage capitalistic wealth generation…which you know, actually pays for everything. we are well and truly on the way to ruin.
what would an economist say? with every decision there are trade offs.
Justin t need to resign
So why not ask the Doctors WHY they leave and sort it out. Look at Nova Scotia no private system and yet no chance of getting a doctor in many years and 12 hr wait in emergency......terrible.
Medicine should be similar to the military where you don't get a say where you work. Doctors all want to go to Toronto and Vancouver and make the most amount of money with the largest populations. Medicine is so desirable as a career that you could do this and people would still want to be doctors.
And so is to panic on homelessness, education, and everything else that entices public funding.
Money is a very partial response. But the political system is to change.
Why not the same criticism of specialists who avoid general medicine in order to make money and dump these problems on primary care providers? Not sure why we expect family physicians to work for free particularly when they are the bridge to the rest of one’s healthcare.
Specialists should have their income drastically reduced and transferred to family doctors. Nations should sign treaties to prevent poaching medical professionals from each other. Its a race to the bottom
You can thank student loan debt on doctors leaving public health clinics. Young doctors will never work for public clinics when they have to pay $3,000-$4000 for student loans per month - yet pts don’t want to pay that per year.
The downfall happened when they let in millions of immigrants but no new drs and hospitals - schools and pretty much everything else
This is a great and much-needed news story. Thank you Wendy Campbell for your dogged hard work! I still don't have a family doctor but maybe the tide is turning thanks to increasing activeness and awareness. Our healthcare system has become a tragedy and a disaster. Doug Ford and his minions/cronies need to be swept aside in the next election.
My doctor was telling me he was semi retiring but he had brought in another Dr a few years back to transition. This Dr did not have a succession plan. That's the issue. The oma should be doing more for these Dr who don't have plans in place. Boomer Dr are not going to work forever
Generally, leaning on government on anything is a bad idea.
I am sounding a conservative idea. How inappropriate of me!
Yeah, I'm sure EVERYTHING would be better without the government's inept involvement. Especially things like, I dunno: police, firefighters, national defense, our justice system, all roads, sidewalks and highways, water and sewage treatment, response to natural disasters, etc, etc. Yeah, I can't foresee any problems if that was ALL privatized. We could be as well off as Somalia!
@DrRestezi The whole idea of a 'gvmt for people' is the creation of right conditions and insentives for individuals' business activity.
About roads: in the US, roads are built on average 3-5 times faster than in Canada. Gvmt supervising, companies work day and night if needed. (Just an example)
Any locally educated doctor not working on public Healthcare should pay back the FULL cost of highly subsidized medical school (100k+)
hire more new doctors that the "big" issue that these people cant solve. More competition and less patients per doctor= better service to patients. Lots of foreign doctors driving uber here let solve that, also bring in more foreign doctors because our doctoral colleges cant get over their bureaucracy.
And Doug Ford has tossed away $1.1 BILLION by scrapping the vehicle registration sticker fee. $1.1 BILLION gone.
Wait what? Can't believe that's happening
Tax me harder daddy!!
Agree 100%
BS. Administrative costs is an excuse, those GPs are simply finding a way to make more $$, and QP & OMA is allowing the loophole in our UPHC system. If not careful, it will go the way of OPG.
We take our heath for granted because we believe the public system will be there to fall back on. If everyone who COULD be generally heathy was this would be much less of a problem. Add demographics, the chance to practice in other countries, and the administrative burdens, and we have this extremely challenging situation. There is no fast solution to health care and the public sector has a lot of priorities and costs to balance.
We don't take it for granted it's gone in the toilet for the last 25 to 30 years. It's a call in system. It's like order a part and having to wait six months because the part comes from China and not only is it the wrong part but it's broke and made of plastic that's our health system in a nut shell.
your turn, ford.
When Are you people going to understand that canada healthcare is following The United States, next decade is gonna be done ,its impossible to afford, is more important spending millions creating transportation for ,people that live under the system, werever we say here dosen't change nothing at all , system is created, werever is not happy just need to pack there ,stuff and ,see you later unfortunately 😢😢
Remember folks. With these " gimmicky and meaningless " gas tax and license fee elimination, the province has less $$ for vital services and programs, such as health care and education...
Tax me harder daddy!
That's OK, I have CITIZENSHIP elsewhere. I'll be out of here in no time!
That is great!
Even if they did spell my name wrong.
try finding a doctor in my hometown in new brunswick and has been that way for my 45 years but now its a problem because its your doctor spare me your faux outrage
Unfortunately the generation that needs it the most is the generation that created this. Blame for all you want, but this has been happening way before him.
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In the final analysis, family doctors are people who are greedy and want money. You cannot legislate away greed. A free market solution is needed to to increase the number of medical school graduates by deregulating tuition and admission. Any universisty student should be allowed to attend medical schoold if they want to become a doctor, there just needs to be a licensure exam like a bar exam that would need to be passed before residency would be allowed. The OMA and CMA has created so many barriers to allow perspective students to become doctors. The problem is supply and it can easily be solved with the right approach.
FYI, greed goes both ways. The Doctor wants the highest salary while the patients want the cheapest option.
@@robocop581
Exactly.
Just like patients are greedy and think they're entitled to free or discounted service.
Private=Better
Ndp mess, vote with common sense for pierre poilievre
But this is what Toronto voted for , so now why are you complaining, What do you people want. ,
????? Last I checked, most of Toronto didn’t vote for the provincial conservatives. You can even vote for a party and not agree with all of their policies. Sounds more like you got a chip on your shoulder about Toronto for whatever reason