Omgosh! Those Theodores! I absolutely love every single one, but that purple was my favorite. The gold mist was second, and the straight green with the minimal aging was third for me. Not that I could afford any of them. These are some of my favorite Gibson guitars I have seen in a while.
Holy moly! The Junior is a huge deal for me because I’ve been asking for a USA double cut special for months 😭😭 just need double cut specials at dealers asap!
@@davidrosenzweig1380 I remember that, problem with those was they had those weird pickguard setups not vintage accurate at all, and faded finishes on top of that. I want a gloss finish and the legit wiring setup
They've should have also made an Explorer with golden hardware, white pickguard and black pick-ups in this walnut finish (some binding too btw), I mean, how they missed the Explorer, they did all of the classic Gibson models but the Exp', damn, it's not like I was going to buy, but would be nice to look at.
A lot of people don't like it's looks, I was skeptical too, but then I picked one up and the one I picked up played like nothing else I've ever touched.
Honestly, they are growing on me appearance wise. I want Theodore special, p90s, a wrap tail and satin finish (maybe in a non traditional gibson colour). If they offered something like that, I would seriously consider it.
Love the Walnut Series guitars , I dig the first ' Theodore' in the Scala line with the swirly Gold paint , the P-90 pickup cover has that cool red/brown color , though I think the Theodore looks like a Pineapple or an inverted SG , really love the very last Flying-V shown as the video ended...Thanks Trog !
Excited for the Dark Walnut, see how Canada prices end up. If heavy relicing these Leo Scala Theodores is what it takes to get a bridge humbucker and a neck P90 in a Theodore, well I guess it's worth it.
I love my 2019 double cut LP tribute specials, I got 2 when they were on clearance. If i recall they were $650ish on clearance. I wish I had grabbed a junior too.
Why Gibson doesn't build TV yellow DC juniors is beyond me. They would fly off the shelf. And they give us Brown???? Come on Gibson! Them expecting us to spend 4K to get a TV DC junior is utter BS
Slab body, no binding, wrap tail, one PU, dot inlays. $1700? What am I missing? I'd have the same response for a slab Fender Tele Esquire before someone wants to do the whataboutism argument. You can get so much guitar for $1700.
Because the junior/melody maker appointments have gone from what used to be budget models (something you get when you can't afford the fancier ones), to a niche appeal thing that a few (but only a few) people are actively seeking out.
The ability to ask proper questions. What was the price mid 1950s? What is a relative figure 70 years later? You might find the price is the same or cheaper.
@@thatsmrharley2u2 Yeah cause the people that want them really want them! But it's not necessarily that they'd be popular as a regular production model (let alone epiphone variant) Like by "a few" I mean a smaller subset of people buying gibson guitars, not "countable on one hand" (and it's definitely an underserved market with how the usual supply is 0)
I saw the dark walnut Flying V and 335 at a Toronto music store and thought I lost my mind, 'cause I couldn't see them anywhere on the internet. Turns out, it's these new ones that had gotten there before official release. Amazing.
I love the old Walnuts … especially on ES- models, but on Les Pauls (Artisans!) too … … (SG should work as well). I think I first heard of Leo Scala’s work via Richard Fortus? I like the Walnut Gold Adagio (moreso on a wall?), the TV Yellow & the Bleeding Red … and that Super Special … 😎 I quite like the Gold Mist Absinthe, too, and I think Prince would have rocked the Electric Purple … I like British Racing Green/drab olive, but a bit boring there … give me the old Chris Cornell model, instead … Not into trapeze but actually really like that Code Red R9 (wear some Red Octobers whilst rocking it, lol) …
Gibson has never made an acoustic baritone. I wish they would! They also need to make new baritones in general, I think. Great video, I love the walnut!
So do I and I love it. These were the ones that originally came with the crappy robotic tuners that everyone hated and was swapping out for normal manual tuners. I just watched a video about a week ago, where they were demoing the automatic tuner and it actually ended up cracking the neck when it tightened up the low E string too far. These guitars also had an adjustable nut, which I thought was a great idea. Unfortunately, they were made out of brass and everyone was complaining that they would wear out within a matter of months. Luckily, Graphtech offered a tusk replacement. Yeah, Gibson screwed up on these guitars but it's a pretty simple matter to remedy the screwups and end up with a great guitar for not a lot of money on the used market. Oh, and I believe if yours is a two pickup model, it would be a Special, not a Junior.
There are a couple of things I would do. First, a Bigsby B5 would be a much better choice than the elongated B7. If I wanted to add some vintage flare I would install a pearl inlaid Ebony block behind the B5. I see the B7 digging into people's legs while playing seated. Secondly, I would take the DoodleMaster, a better name than 'Theodore' to the belt sander to get rid of those hideous horns, give it a more Messenger-vibe and have all the body edges beveled just like the old Epi Coronet. Maybe even a Flying V headstock would look better. My two cents.
I'm not a huge fan of reliced guitar for the sake of just relic, but that's one way to use relic in an inspired and artistic way that I have to love. Obviously I can't afford it tho.
The fretboards on those dark walnut guitars are disgustingly light. :( They need to be ebony or DARK rosewood to pull off that look, imo. Especially a bummer because it's so great to see a Jr. available like this, but also because I looove that finish on an SG
I finally figured out what it was, but I didn't like about the Theodores: the original paint jobs. This looks like an old guitar and therefore looks better better way beat up. Of course that's my opinion, but those are some of the coolest relics I've ever seen and a lot of it has to do with the aesthetic of the guitar to begin with.
What amazes me is that a guitar relic'd like that is worth double the custom shop, but an original guitar from the 60s or 70s with that kind of wear and treatment would probably be worth half of a players grade version.
When will Gibson bring back their Memphis es models like the es 275 the es 235 and the es 350 or the es 175 or when will they make more super 400s or l5s or l4s or when will they make es 330s again
I did not like the Theodore when it first came out, but they have grown on me. I think these are really aesthetically pleasing. If I was rich, I'd buy one!
Call me old fashioned but close to AUD $25,000 with postage for a messed up guitar? No ... just ... NO! At least relic'ed you could get the jigsaw out, bit of sanding, and reshape to a relic'ed Vox Brian Jones Teardrop and nobody would notice? Or buy 5 x Vox Brian Jones Teardrops in various shaded of white.😆
This is Gibson flipping Phillip McKnight the bird. He just made a video the other day about “why Gibson won’t make this guitar and sell it at this price”.
The DC shape needs to be a staple in the Gibson USA lineup. I want a proper DC Special in Tv Yellow or Cherry with an actual inlaid headstock. The Beato comes close, but the silk screen headstock just doesnt do it for me. Also, it would have been cool to see a maestro tailpiece to that walnut SG. Would be a close nod to an Angus signature model without being a signature model
Having 1 look like a banana with the wings or whatever being like the inside of the banana peel on the bottom lower half of the wings on the sides of the body an the top upper side being like the same color of the banana itself the headstock face being brown with a greenish yellow logo or face being greenish yellow with a brown logo an green trussrod cover with yellow border or yellow with green border neck being like yellow heel fade into a green as you get closer to the headstock an have a brown stinger or whatever with like black tuners an like a blackish brown color for the tips with the old banjo style firebird style tuners with like blackish purple binding an dots for the bruising look Firebird style pickups an have a pickguard kinda like the firebird have the switch mounted like the firebird an have a banana color/themed tulip instead of the bird
I tried to get a Charlie Starr model Junior from Gibson. I was on their mailing list. Got two emails (which I answered each within minutes) saying they were available and immediately went to their website. Both times they said UNAVAILABLE, but I did get an email saying 'Don't worry! There are plenty more of the 250 of each color coming soon!' Next time I check (and every time after)...SOLD OUT. Wtf, Gibson?
$16,000 guitar with a two piece back ? Seems like for that kind of $$$ it should be a one piece body- all the historic Les Paul reissues have one piece bodies at less than half the price. I know you have to pay for all the artistic touches but still , these all should have had one piece bodies in my opinion.
The bigsbys not fitting properly on the Theodores body really does look quite shit IMHO. I do appreciate that the vibe of them is ‘highly customised vintage guitars from a parallel dimension’, but it just seems impractical and a bodge.
These are literally the only Theodores I think are cool and would consider, except I will never pay that much for it. That will never make sense unless I win the lottery. Beautiful guitars that are not priced for me.
Les Paul juniors should be 800 max!
They used to be a student model but now it’s a status symbol
Cool beans. Prices are insane.
In a world with 100k new trucks being common, I don't know if 1600.00 for a guitar is outrageous
@@cromBumny No it really is!
Me: “you can’t make an uglier Theodore”
Leo La Scala: “hold my torch”
Omgosh! Those Theodores! I absolutely love every single one, but that purple was my favorite. The gold mist was second, and the straight green with the minimal aging was third for me. Not that I could afford any of them. These are some of my favorite Gibson guitars I have seen in a while.
Oh snap, I want that gorgeous DC junior! Dream guitar!
It's about time we brought back Fender Friday!
They're already sold out
Congrats on 300K, Trogly!
That red Theodore the one with too much blowtorch starting at 7:59 is so intriguing.
Holy moly! The Junior is a huge deal for me because I’ve been asking for a USA double cut special for months 😭😭 just need double cut specials at dealers asap!
Crazy the exact same guitar was being blown out for 5-600 almost everywhere and no one wanted them
@@davidrosenzweig1380 I remember that, problem with those was they had those weird pickguard setups not vintage accurate at all, and faded finishes on top of that. I want a gloss finish and the legit wiring setup
Was at the Gibson Garage in Nashville yesterday and they had five of the Leo Theodore's displayed on the stage. Pretty cool looking guitars.
The Theodore looks to me like someone who failed design class tried to draw a Tokai Talbo from memory.
They've should have also made an Explorer with golden hardware, white pickguard and black pick-ups in this walnut finish (some binding too btw), I mean, how they missed the Explorer, they did all of the classic Gibson models but the Exp', damn, it's not like I was going to buy, but would be nice to look at.
Damn, a few years ago Gutiar Center had a special for $550. Crazy.
Exactly
Man those relic Scalas just look like trash, I mean, actual garbage. Too much relic for me.
I’m glad they’ve brought back the dc junior but 1700 is ridiculous
they will still sell like hotcakes.
They’re literally sold out already.
I dont like the Theodores model, like at all, and I love any other model Gibson does, but that one honestly must have stayed archived lulz
A lot of people don't like it's looks, I was skeptical too, but then I picked one up and the one I picked up played like nothing else I've ever touched.
Honestly, they are growing on me appearance wise. I want Theodore special, p90s, a wrap tail and satin finish (maybe in a non traditional gibson colour). If they offered something like that, I would seriously consider it.
The DC and the British Racing Green are my two favorites. Very nice looking.
I played one of the juniors in gibson garage london and it was one of the nicest juniors ive ever played
Love the Walnut Series guitars , I dig the first ' Theodore' in the Scala line with the swirly Gold paint , the P-90 pickup cover has that cool red/brown color , though I think the Theodore looks like a Pineapple or an inverted SG , really love the very last Flying-V shown as the video ended...Thanks Trog !
Excited for the Dark Walnut, see how Canada prices end up. If heavy relicing these Leo Scala Theodores is what it takes to get a bridge humbucker and a neck P90 in a Theodore, well I guess it's worth it.
I love my 2019 double cut LP tribute specials, I got 2 when they were on clearance. If i recall they were $650ish on clearance. I wish I had grabbed a junior too.
Walnut 345 hell yeah
THANKYOU.
from Alaska.
Why Gibson doesn't build TV yellow DC juniors is beyond me. They would fly off the shelf. And they give us Brown???? Come on Gibson! Them expecting us to spend 4K to get a TV DC junior is utter BS
Slab body, no binding, wrap tail, one PU, dot inlays. $1700? What am I missing? I'd have the same response for a slab Fender Tele Esquire before someone wants to do the whataboutism argument. You can get so much guitar for $1700.
Because the junior/melody maker appointments have gone from what used to be budget models (something you get when you can't afford the fancier ones), to a niche appeal thing that a few (but only a few) people are actively seeking out.
@@metallsnubben I guess that's why the walnut version and the Charlie Starr reissue are all sold out.
The ability to ask proper questions.
What was the price mid 1950s? What is a relative figure 70 years later?
You might find the price is the same or cheaper.
@@thatsmrharley2u2 Yeah cause the people that want them really want them! But it's not necessarily that they'd be popular as a regular production model (let alone epiphone variant)
Like by "a few" I mean a smaller subset of people buying gibson guitars, not "countable on one hand" (and it's definitely an underserved market with how the usual supply is 0)
You can get a DC special tribute for like 700 if you shop around
I didn't like the Theodore, but aged. Something about it. Maybe I will get one to beat on.
I am absolutely getting a double cut.
I saw the dark walnut Flying V and 335 at a Toronto music store and thought I lost my mind, 'cause I couldn't see them anywhere on the internet. Turns out, it's these new ones that had gotten there before official release. Amazing.
I have a 2014 "Walnut" color, when it was just a regular choice, half pickguard. Not so dark and you can see the wood. Wouldn't trade it for anything.
I love the old Walnuts … especially on ES- models, but on Les Pauls (Artisans!) too … … (SG should work as well).
I think I first heard of Leo Scala’s work via Richard Fortus?
I like the Walnut Gold Adagio (moreso on a wall?), the TV Yellow & the Bleeding Red … and that Super Special … 😎
I quite like the Gold Mist Absinthe, too, and I think Prince would have rocked the Electric Purple …
I like British Racing Green/drab olive, but a bit boring there … give me the old Chris Cornell model, instead …
Not into trapeze but actually really like that Code Red R9 (wear some Red Octobers whilst rocking it, lol) …
Those Theos are honestly a production variation away from me rushing to get one
Gibson has never made an acoustic baritone. I wish they would! They also need to make new baritones in general, I think. Great video, I love the walnut!
yes please on the dc
I got a 2015 double cut 2 pickup Jr. It's fun.
So do I and I love it. These were the ones that originally came with the crappy robotic tuners that everyone hated and was swapping out for normal manual tuners. I just watched a video about a week ago, where they were demoing the automatic tuner and it actually ended up cracking the neck when it tightened up the low E string too far. These guitars also had an adjustable nut, which I thought was a great idea. Unfortunately, they were made out of brass and everyone was complaining that they would wear out within a matter of months. Luckily, Graphtech offered a tusk replacement.
Yeah, Gibson screwed up on these guitars but it's a pretty simple matter to remedy the screwups and end up with a great guitar for not a lot of money on the used market. Oh, and I believe if yours is a two pickup model, it would be a Special, not a Junior.
@@jeffweber521 Mine is still stock, and everything works properly. So I don't know what everyone's problem was.
Anyone else strangely bothered by the Bigsby extending past the body?
That's one of the many things about these guitars that bother me.
@@dboone7670 yeah. In mot a fan myself
There are a couple of things I would do. First, a Bigsby B5 would be a much better choice than the elongated B7. If I wanted to add some vintage flare I would install a pearl inlaid Ebony block behind the B5. I see the B7 digging into people's legs while playing seated. Secondly, I would take the DoodleMaster, a better name than 'Theodore' to the belt sander to get rid of those hideous horns, give it a more Messenger-vibe and have all the body edges beveled just like the old Epi Coronet. Maybe even a Flying V headstock would look better. My two cents.
"Dumpster relicing" doesn't do anything for me.
How about building one with the pointed Flying V headstock? Would it still qualify as a Theodore?
@ericbgordon1575 I like that idea. Not an easy guitar to love but would emphasise the symmetry a little more.
Saw the title, was hoping it was a Buckethead reissue. I'll be over here waiting impatiently, Gibson...
I'm not a huge fan of reliced guitar for the sake of just relic, but that's one way to use relic in an inspired and artistic way that I have to love. Obviously I can't afford it tho.
The fretboards on those dark walnut guitars are disgustingly light. :( They need to be ebony or DARK rosewood to pull off that look, imo.
Especially a bummer because it's so great to see a Jr. available like this, but also because I looove that finish on an SG
The lime gold definitely
I'd love to see them bring back the double cut, but also in Epiphone, and maybe with wacky specs like one humbucker, or firebird pickups. 😂
Cool, a les paul junior dc on Usa lineup, I'll buy it
I wish epiphone would make an AFFORDABLE MIII.
Tbh Pelham blue, gold top hats with silver reflectors, white pick guard and maybe a bound fretboard would look absolutely supreme
Picked up an ESP Hybrid II for 450 dollars and it blows these away.
I finally figured out what it was, but I didn't like about the Theodores: the original paint jobs. This looks like an old guitar and therefore looks better better way beat up. Of course that's my opinion, but those are some of the coolest relics I've ever seen and a lot of it has to do with the aesthetic of the guitar to begin with.
What amazes me is that a guitar relic'd like that is worth double the custom shop, but an original guitar from the 60s or 70s with that kind of wear and treatment would probably be worth half of a players grade version.
the Theodore's are all great.
15k for that chunk of wood? Yeah, no.
When will Gibson bring back their Memphis es models like the es 275 the es 235 and the es 350 or the es 175 or when will they make more super 400s or l5s or l4s or when will they make es 330s again
I don’t get the Theodore’s for $16k! If I saw one of those in a guitar shop I would probably pass it by because it’s so beat up. Just saying.
Yes!
The Jr is in ‘notify me when available’ status already while the other models are all immediately available. That thing is bitchin
They keep coming back in stock every few hours, I grabbed one yesterday afternoon. Keep checking
If they make more than they did with the Charlie Starr I might get lucky.
Like that the junior double cut is back, wish the Theodore would go away forever 😂
Trogly what's your thoughts on the new studios with burstvuckerpro and gloss finish and the return of the victory model
It must be hideously ugly, massively overpriced guitar day.
I did not like the Theodore when it first came out, but they have grown on me. I think these are really aesthetically pleasing. If I was rich, I'd buy one!
That Les Paul Jr DC is a BARGAIN guitar. I bet they sell out of that FAST.
Sold out as of now
3:17 He really said to watch his video If we wanted to see what that guitar looks like in person. Umm That still wouldn't be us seeing it in person.
Just making a comment for the algorithm 👍✅💯 2:13
Gibson could charge 800$ for that guitar and still make a profit!
The double cut sold out again in less than 3 hrs from Gibson. Crazy!
Call me old fashioned but close to AUD $25,000 with postage for a messed up guitar? No ... just ... NO! At least relic'ed you could get the jigsaw out, bit of sanding, and reshape to a relic'ed Vox Brian Jones Teardrop and nobody would notice? Or buy 5 x Vox Brian Jones Teardrops in various shaded of white.😆
Great job
Just add another volume control to the production Theodore and I'd be interested.
This is Gibson flipping Phillip McKnight the bird. He just made a video the other day about “why Gibson won’t make this guitar and sell it at this price”.
I would still love to see Gibson make more guitars with Explorer head stocks.
The DC shape needs to be a staple in the Gibson USA lineup. I want a proper DC Special in Tv Yellow or Cherry with an actual inlaid headstock. The Beato comes close, but the silk screen headstock just doesnt do it for me.
Also, it would have been cool to see a maestro tailpiece to that walnut SG. Would be a close nod to an Angus signature model without being a signature model
Trog extremely expensive unit's ! getting the Bigsby to fit the Theodore is interesting with the over hang ?
I like the last one! Super Special! That's Me!
I've never understood why Gibson won't release a double cut single p90to original specs in their standard lineup. They would sell!!
Love Gibsons, hate all these. Criminal to charge prices that are ridiculous for regular folks.
It's a collectors run, it's not not meant to be standard.
YUCK!!!
I just plain dislike the whole vibe of these guitars…go for Teisco Tulip guitar…it’s too bad the blueprint was found.
Not a fan of aging/relicing. However, The “57” is killa!
I like Theodores
Not a fan of these. Maybe add some neck and body top binding and make em a little thicker in the body.
Leo Scala is Italian for “beat to sh1t”…
Having 1 look like a banana with the wings or whatever being like the inside of the banana peel on the bottom lower half of the wings on the sides of the body an the top upper side being like the same color of the banana itself
the headstock face being brown with a greenish yellow logo or face being greenish yellow with a brown logo an green trussrod cover with yellow border or yellow with green border
neck being like yellow heel fade into a green as you get closer to the headstock an have a brown stinger or whatever with like black tuners an like a blackish brown color for the tips with the old banjo style firebird style tuners with like blackish purple binding an dots for the bruising look
Firebird style pickups an have a pickguard kinda like the firebird have the switch mounted like the firebird an have a banana color/themed tulip instead of the bird
I tried to get a Charlie Starr model Junior from Gibson. I was on their mailing list. Got two emails (which I answered each within minutes) saying they were available and immediately went to their website. Both times they said UNAVAILABLE, but I did get an email saying 'Don't worry! There are plenty more of the 250 of each color coming soon!' Next time I check (and every time after)...SOLD OUT. Wtf, Gibson?
Those are some busted up looking Theodore's to me. Someone else might see a thing of beauty, though.
I actually think those Theodore look quite nice with the relic and new paint schemes. But that price is just insanity.
I do not get the Scalas.
why not the exploerer?
I just can't get into Theodores, they look like a tulips.
Why no Explorer? And V and Explorer need Floyd Rose as an option all the time.
$16,000 guitar with a two piece back ? Seems like for that kind of $$$ it should be a one piece body- all the historic Les Paul reissues have one piece bodies at less than half the price. I know you have to pay for all the artistic touches but still , these all should have had one piece bodies in my opinion.
1700 for a junior iike this is kinda expensive to me but doable. the theodore i hate
Evening all!!!
The bigsbys not fitting properly on the Theodores body really does look quite shit IMHO. I do appreciate that the vibe of them is ‘highly customised vintage guitars from a parallel dimension’, but it just seems impractical and a bodge.
Has Charlie Starr's signature guitar sold out .
16k for one of those things? SURE.
Waaay over priced:)
So I can get a 2 Les Paul Customs with money to spare or get one of these "beautiful" Theodore relics. Hmmm...
These are literally the only Theodores I think are cool and would consider, except I will never pay that much for it. That will never make sense unless I win the lottery. Beautiful guitars that are not priced for me.
I ain't commenting and you can't make me!
Those Bigsbys don't look like they fit properly...
Some people will buy anything if it is expensive enough.
The Theodore’s would be cool without the bigsby and not for 15000
Not the Theodore, btw...
Gold Mist, 100%