What to do when you run out of fuel?
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- Опубликовано: 13 ноя 2019
- Fueling a modern tractor is slightly different than older machines.
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Thanks Neil. I’ve always heard “Never run a diesel out of fuel” so thankfully I haven’t. But I almost did 2 days ago on my L3301. I was using the backhoe for a long time at high RPM with my back to the fuel gauge. When I finally turned around, the needle was well into the red. I honestly didn’t know what to do if I had run it dry but now I know! Thanks again.
Well I learned something today. Good to know. I'm old school and would have tried bleeding the injectors. Thanks Neil!
My 1993 Kubota had bleeds at the filter and pump. Glad to know my new b2650 will be easier. Good video and keep them coming👍
Well, it used to be more of a deal, or so I've heard. Never ran any engine out of fuel unless winterizing it, for example (gasoline only, never diesel). Thanks, Neil, a very useful and timely topic.
Another fuel topic I've heard a LOT about and would like to see you cover are issues with cold weather diesel fueling and all the things people do for the variety of condtions encountered because of the cool-to-frigid spectrum.
Was taught this many years ago by my father. Back in the day we had an old Cat dozer. Those old ones you had to crack the lines like Neil stated. Some of the newer ones have a bleeder valve that can be cracked open while cranking. I would guesstimate this Kubota does also. The old advise of never run a diesel out of fuel still applies.
Wow...that is a lot different that when it happened to me once about 30 years ago! Wonderful progress!
Great tip! I really appreciate that you took the time for those! Thank you!
Good video. Great information for all of us. Did not know. Thanks Neil! Cheers!
It’s good to admit your mistakes! At least it is easier to fix now than in days past. I’ve had to do the old crack the injector line loose on a couple of VW (alh) engines when I got stupid and ran them out. I always carried a 17mm wrench in those cars.
I don't know if you guys have a video yet about this but if not you should make one about why it's important to let a diesel idle after running it on high rpms before shutting it off.
Thanks Neil!
This is very useful information.
I learned the old way on a Ford 1910 and had to bleed the system.
Lol, me too, i learned the hard way on a ford 3600. Dad laughed at me, called me a yo yo, then handed me the wrenches, and showed me what to do.
old fashion tractor like mine (JD 2130 ) has a handle at the fuel pump that you prime the injection pump .
When i got my M108S a few years back i was pleasantly surprised when it worked after running out of fuel. Gauge came not working right when tractor was new.
Yeah thanks good to know. I am old school too learn something new everyday
Nice job I learned something. Just bought a new B2650 . I love it I just won’t run it out of fuel .
I once ran my rtv1140 out of fuel when sitting on a slope. Locate the mechanical fuel pump located on the engine close to the injection pump. There is a lever on the fuel pump that you must pump many times in order to prime the pump. You should be able to feel a little difference in pressure when there is fuel flowing at the pump.
many of the older ones have a bleeder on the injection pump that you crack open and then a plunger pump that you manually pump until the fuel comes out the bleeder; as far as the 30k psi lines, sometimes those lines are not reusable once they're installed, so if you crack them loose then you may have to replace them. at 30k psi, the fuel leak may not be easily visible and can cut right through skin.
My main tractor is a 1986 Kubota L2550, a 30hp 3 cylinder diesel. I deliberately ran it out of fuel soon after I bought it to get a feel for just where 'empty' really was on the fuel gauge. It was a bit below the 'empty' line.
I refilled the tank and opened the bleed valve on the injection pump by hand (it's a small knob or wheel). I cranked the engine, it started and ran badly. But over the next minute or so it cleared the air from the lines and ran better and better. Once it was running well I closed that valve and went back to work. It was that easy.
So....it's best to avoid running any equipment out of fuel. Even a chainsaw. But it's not a big deal, as Neil showed here. Only truly ancient diesels can be a headache to bleed.
ahahahahah -- JDs have a pump yu just push until fuel flows good - it works and is easy enough for a 7 year old to work - what kubota does is not up to par - wonder why -
An old farmer buddy taught me never to let the tank go below half, esp. in the cold, to prevent condensation on the inside of the tank. My L3901 takes 5 gallons when the needle is at 1/2, or 6 gallons if it's anywhere below that. And like my sales weenie told me when I bought it, "at 11 gallons this tractor will last longer than you will."
Neil, you guys do a great service to everyone. I wish more businesses did videos to educate consumers/users on their products and encourage some DIY's. I brag on you guys all of the time to my local Kubota Dealership (and the John Deere one as well). As an owner of an L3901, i appreciate it.
The place I used to work had diesel forklifts and the big thing was no matter what you are doing at a 1/4 of a tank go fill it. Also I stay away from bio-diesel year round. Bio-diesel will plug your filters in a heart beat in the winter. Tractor on from west central Illinois
Good to know coming from a 1987 Long. Bleeding the fuel system after changing the fuel filters is a pain in the butt.
Hey Neil don’t feel bad we all been there! I’m always pushing my luck I’m one of those guys who’s not happy unless I’m taking a gamble or a risk and I often end up pushing a piece of equipment too far on a job or too hard 😂
....That feeling when your way out in the middle of a far away field mowing or doing some other task and you don’t wanna have to stop to refuel because your (THIS) close to being done! Been there done it, ran out! Haha.
Nice video and as you said it just shows to them old timers that technology in Diesel engines have come a LONG way!
Does the fuel pickup sit on the bottom of the tank or can the pickup actually pickup dirt and debris if you run the tank low? Thanks for the great tips and informative videos.
Thank you. Just bought a new KUBOTA MX5400.Was very concerned because I've had many Butt Whoppings for letting my Uncle's Tractors run out of fuel!
Camera taking it rough LOL. Great Video Neil
Did not work out this way on my L2501 last summer. Ran it dry, filled it up and it WOULD NOT START. Kubota dealer recommended cracking the injectors and that DID work. Things that make you go "hmm".
There is a fuel bleeder valve that can be opened. It's in the manual.
Same advice applies when you change your fuel filter, at least for my B2301.
Just changed filter, ran, died won't restart.
Let's see what this is about. Thanks
Learned on a 76/77 international 364 how to bleed the system when doing a fuel filter change, it can be time consuming and some people would get lost on it it
Thanks! I hope I never run dry... But I'm glad those fears are behind me now.
really great video
Oh boy, I watched 2 videos prior to this and was about to go about bleeding lines and was even going to put an in-line fuel bulb to pump fuel through the line. Could you imagine how much I could have stuffed up if i didn't watch this video!! New 75hp chinese tractor.
In all likelihood, you do need to bleed that fuel system. Probably very old technology.
@@MessicksEquip Ok thank you from Australia! Still, at least i'm be careful with high pressures! Cheers!
Very helpful!
you have good videos, thank you
Learned something new!!!
Thank you!
A new "twist" on this problem. I ran out of fuel by a blockage of debris at my primary fuel filter. After correcting that and insuring a good flow as I put the filter back, I still couldn't start it. I read my L3901 manual and watched several videos including your video. I followed the bleed directions but It still wouldn't start despite multiple attempts. The following day, after more failures, I removed the screw from the filter canister, activated the fuel pump by turning on the key, and watched fuel slowly rise preceded for 20 seconds by many small air bubbles. I continued this until the air bubbles almost stopped, put the screw back in, and it started up after a couple short turnover efforts. I have never seen any suggestions for removing the screw. One problem down. Now I have to get the stuff out of my tank. Do you have any videos for a DIY attempt to do I need a pro?
Biggest thing to know if you are on an older tractor is that once the engine stops, and you suspect you have run out of fuel, don't continue to attempt to start the engine. Open the cap and see if the tank is dry (on most older tractors you can see the bottom of the fuel tank). If it's dry, add fuel, then start cranking. It will usually start after 3 or 4 attempts if you haven't run it bone dry by attempting to crank it initially before adding fuel.
Wish I watched this before I watched another youtube video some years ago. I opened the air bleeder on my L3940 after changing the fuel filter and it WOULD NOT start, after nearly killing the battery I found a video about cracking an injector line, which I did. I got it to start but I "spun" one of the injectors causing it to be out of time with the rest of the injectors resulting in a few HP loss and smoky exhaust. The dealer spun it back and timed it best they could, but still not what it was.
Thanks I always thought it was a big deal to run a diesel out of fuel : )
on trucks it is
Could I put a rotary brush on my tractor? BX2680
This is great information. I filled up my tank once, and there must have been contaminants in the nozzle. It blocked off the fuel hose where it exits the tank. By time I realized what was going on, the B3300 had died about 4 times, and it got me thinking. How harmful is it on the motor when you run it out of fuel??
While it's never good to run a diesel out of fuel, they can handle it to some degree. Modern diesels are made to very tight tolerances, so it can cause damage if its run out of fuel a lot. A couple times a year is no big deal
I'm assuming this is the same as a car or truck fuel pump where you don't wanna run the pump dry since fuel is what cools and lubes the fuel pump?
Just watched your video - just "fixed" our tractor. Thanks for saving us $85/hour.
Good to know thanks
that's handy to know 🙂👍🏽
Define older? B7500 2002?
Was wondering about this issue, I hope I'm not that guy but things happen. Thanks
Just wish Kubota would move the fuel tank to an easier place to fuel. My 30year old B1750 & newer MX5800 are both a chore to keep the hood clean. Diesel stains paint.
You need to change it to five minute fridays😂😂😂
They don't make em like they used to,sometimes is good.
For sure!
sometimes.....
First thing you do is toss that Gooberment mandated crappy nozzle. At least take it apart and make it non-spring loaded and add a vent to the can.
Second thing use a funnel.
Safety cans only!
Labonteford 5 because Gooberment has you trained
I personally own 77.5 gallons worth the red and 10 gallons of the yellow. The cost sucks but I truly prefer them.
The galvanized cans are not recommend for the diesel engines but I don't own a tractor.
Labonteford 5 more fuel is spilled using those mandated (nozzles) pieces of garbage. Don’t believe me? Look it up. They are junk.
My L4200 has an air vent cock above the fuel filter to bleed the fuel system. You open it before starting and then run the engine for about 30 seconds. Then you stop the engine and then close the air vent cock.
I have a question about filters are new old stock filters a problem or should I be replaced with a new one instead of using them
No problem
so you say modern machines which means past what year? approximately.
20 years probably
If we are talking about modern equipment; No Spill fuel cans are the only modern ones I’ve found that are worth using.
The “safety” systems on most cans should be illegal, I fully believe they are responsible for more irresponsible practices than the old cans, for you could actually use the nozzles on the old cans, the new ones you pretty much have to take the cap off to use and not take 10 minutes to empty. My solution to most modern cans is to bring a big funnel.
So, after what year is considered “modern” equipment that this applies to?
Should have titled it: when you wife decided to mow,without letting you know,and you come home and find the tractor in the middle of the lot.
Sure Bobby, blame it on the wife! 😄
@@abbatemarco When in doubt :P
What model tractor is this with the rubber floor?
B3350
30,000 psi??? Wow, had no idea
I have a 2007 30hp kioti tractor does it work the same Way ?
Only If it has CRDI which is the high pressure diesel fuel rail system that feeds the injectors.
Thanks I alway thought it was a big deal to run a diesel out of fuel: )
I'm not sure about smaller diesels, but when I ran equipment for a summer for a construction company, the guy that trained me did say it's hard on them to turn them off without idling them for at least a minute after doing a fair amount of work with them. Something about them continuing to build up heat for a short while after you shut them off, so the idling reduced the temp it would build from. Not sure how much truth there is to that, though... I'm not that knowledgeable about diesel. I've just always idled my tractor for 30-60 seconds before turning it off as a safety. That said, I would imagine it's hard on any kind of engine to go from a high RPM to 0 like that.
@@Zurar since diesel engines run at higher rpms than gas engines and the fuel has a higher ignition temperature. If you don't idle the machine after running on high for a good amount of time you can cause the pistons to lock up because of all the pressure they have built up at 15000 rpms.
@@trevorhorvath2112 more like 2100 rpm...
@@Zurar a lot of that has to do with helping cool the turbo down. If you dont let it idle for a minute, the oil that is left in the turbo boils, which is not only bad for the oil, but it's bad for those turbo bearings too.
@@killstrees you are spot on. Running hard, exhaust temps running over 1000°F, and engine oil being the only cooling the turbo gets until the load is taken off. The oil not only can boil, but also coke up in the turbo, blocking flow later on. Like you said, it's also hard on the bearing and seals.
I recall hearing that running a diesel engine out of fuel is like presumably like cutting off the lubrication to the upper cylinder and damage can result. Is that true?
No, the cylinder is already well lubricated and running out of fuel is really no different from shutting down the engine in the usual manner. You will not damage your cylinders if you run out of fuel.
Would this apply to a BX2200 which is approx 20 years old?
Yes
another good tip would be to refer to the operators manual that is hopefully in the back of the seat. another good video, turning lemons into lemonade.
New equipment comes with a manual but for some strange reason people tend to keep them when they later sell the equipment leaving the next owner without one.
@@dougshrader7721
That's funny that you say that. I just traded a b2650 cab for an l2501 and after reading your comment realized I still have the owners manual for the b2650. I took it out of the tractor to make copies of pages that I used a lot. Never even dawned on me to put it back when I let the other one go.
I think part of it is you get so excited you have a new tractor coming, it's enough to remember to take tools out of the old one.
Dan D
What would make you do that trade? Just wondering
@@dan33klein
The l2501 fits my needs better in short.
The B is a good tractor dont get me wrong. The cab is awesome, but was also the issue for me. For one, the doors don't come off so you basically need to run the AC in the summer. If you can't communicate with people around you for shit cuz you're in a fishbowl. It's great on flat ground, but going through woods, over stumps, on Hills, not so much. And I had a 23 horse B without a cab a while ago that I got very used to so it wasn't me. It felt to me like the cab was too big for the tractor. Felt top heavy, and I had a few sketchy two-wheel situations over the 200 hours I owned it.
I do mostly loader work, the b2650 replaced a t300 bobcat. I needed something that could lift a thousand pounds. I got a little smaller tractor so I could still have air conditioning and all the fancy shit on the t300. I had looked at the l2501 when I originally bought the B, but I wanted something with no emissions and a cab. To get a L with a cab requires emissions. So I got the B.
I now have an l2501 with the roof. It's on my channel, along with the old B. It feels more stable, wider, heavier. Feels Like A Better Built tractor. Feels more to me like what a tractor should be, if you've ever run old equipment you know what I mean. More utilitarian, less frilly shit to break once the warranty expires.
And when the warranty does expire, I'm ripping the throttlestop off so I can get the full 35 +/- horsepower out of that d1703.
@@dan33klein
Oh plus I plow snow with my truck so I don't really need to use the tractor in the winter. Or can at least wait till the storm stops.
And the dealer made me a offer I couldn't refuse. Would have been an even trade if I didn't get the grapple and third function and just got the bigger brush hog. Plus the L has a new 6-year warranty.
Then why does the manual for my 5 year old L2501 say to open the bleed valve?
My tractor would not start by just filling it up. Had to bleed it.
They are not all the same.
Neil, you’re rocking out that govt approved fuel can!!
I'm surprised he doesn't have a Kubota can way faster and it balances on the filler neck so you don't have to support most of the weight.
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When u say newer tractors, what do u mean. I have a 2003 kubota bx22. Is that new enough to not need to bleed it?
Yes
Neil, how about the rare but high probability occurrence somewhere, of a tractor owner refueling accidentally with gas and operating the tractor for 3mins. What should be the tractor owners response to recovery from this situation?
unless your very mechanically inclined, call a shop if it got to the engine. If not you may get lucky if it did not get to the fuel pump and can just drain the tank and filters.
It sure is sad to see that you may dump fuel down over the hood with that make of tractor!! Maybe the manufacturer will reconsider moving it to the rear,behind the driver seat. Keep the videos coming!! 😎
Pros and cons. Seen implements puncture tanks back there.
Maybe you can get one of those fancy Kubota spring loaded vented cans. I have one and it works great! Should I have my dealer send you one! 😂
By the way,have any sales on 6ft scraper blades Neil?? Need one for snow removal to use on my "orange" tractor. Keep those quick sales coming... 👍
I just used my 7’ yesterday! Worked great! RB3584 w/ shoes
There's a spill well around my filler cap on my B2601 with a drain down tube leading to below the tractor.
Ask me how I know. LOL
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You know that Neil is a creative salesman when he runs a tractor out of fuel and thinks "let's make a video or of this!"
Might have to bleed the fuel line/pump?
I did
Well, I’m new school. 2016 BX25 If I did run out of gas I would just fill it . Then if it didn’t start ... I would start with the research...
I didn’t know about the old school stuff.
Wish I had watched this video a month ago when I scared my self after doing this.!
What to do when you run out of fuel?.. start pushing?
or pedal, yes :-)
I've seen other videos where they open a valve on the fuel filter....your solution is to do nothing but let it run? I'm confused
on old tractors thats the case, new ones have electric fuel pumps.
@@MessicksEquip this is about a 10-15 year old Kubota la524
@@abaker2921 LA524 is your loader, not the the tractor. That era does have an electric fuel pump.
@@MessicksEquip thanks
Neil - or who ever - I have a L3940 tractor - after changing the fuel filter sometimes - or running out of fuel because i am so hardheaded - ahahaha -- turning the fuel off to the filter - even allowing the fuel to run out while tightening the housing to get out air bubbles - and also opening the air valve - it still will not run - until I crack the first two injectors - hose is not stopped up - I checked - ahahaha - whats up with that - sometimes it does it - sometimes not - crazy odd chit - farming for 40 + years - the nearest dealer to me is 50 miles away and says just to crack the injectors - which i do not like doing - they are old school country boys as am i -- ahahahahaha
30000psi ???
Yup
Running it out of fuel is one thing, its when some idiot fills it up with gas instead of diesel and goes as far as actually starting the machine or vehicle and driving it, then it gets expensive.
Brake cleaner
30,000...... There's no way.
#1 DO NOT PUT GASOLINE IN YOUR DIESEL TRACTOR
#2 Do not put gasoline in your diesel tractor.
#3 Never put gasoline in a diesel tractor.
Now we can listen to the video.
Just make sure you never run that Diesel engine out of fuel new or old
Answer , don’t run out of fuel
3000 psi :)
Didn't work
If you have newer equipment....
Well that was 5 minutes I can't get back. 🤦🏻♀️
Put fuel in bleed tractor!
neil diesel doesnt have vapor thats the issue
It does........ at something over 70°C
good to know that if I put my bx in an oven I can run it off vapors!
We know you're the operator...lol
Do what every man does....blame the wife.
You always check and top up the tank first thing everyday when you go to use the machine! Not Rocket Science is it? :-(
It's probably better that most of these mugs still think running out of diesel is a big rigamaroll. Now 1/2 these jokers are gonna run em till empty in the next week or so.
I know the answer...add fuel!! Turn key to start, put in gear and mow down the person who last you the tractor and used up all that fuel. Now change into the orange jumpsuit and find you a new cell mate aka girlfriend in flip flops and enjoy that 6x12 cell for the remaining years you have to live on this planet or until they pull the lever and 2 million volts zap thru your body at the speed of light! Bet they dont use up your gas ever again.!!
if the person did not know about making sure the tractor was full and the borrower / user needed to know it also - then the owner was as much at fault - people are more like stupid animals sometimes -- ahahahahaha
Just get to the point
If you don't know what to do when you run your tractor out of fuel you shouldn't own a tractor....
true mechanics never run a piece of equipment out of fuel in the first place, just saying
Yeah, ok.
Shhh.