The M in MOS Burger stands for Mountain, not morning. I was tricked by insidious grass types and their Morning Sun, it wasn't my fault. It's never my fault
the big root actually works on draining kiss too, and too like, massive affect? like, a crap ton of healing for some reason? I remember using it in the premier gen 6 of fairy type on my sylveon and then just wrecking shop with draining kiss, and potentially getting fully healed too. I think it may even be a bug of some sort...
That NPC ought to be a really good trainer then since the only way a 'really good trainer' can make good use of Ring Target is by giving it to someone else.
Eject Button work really well in AG with Truant Durant. You basically Entrainment your opponent so their ability become Truant. Once you got hit you switch to other Pokemon. Switch to Shadow Tag Gotithel or Arena Trap Dugtrio. Set up during Truant and protect during hit turn. You basically sweep your opponent.
It's funny that since this video, Binding Band has become a pretty legit item in competitive singles. Binding Band Heatran with Magma Storm is a pretty strong Pokemon, it forces so many predictable plays. It's something a lot of people prepared for in SPL during Gen 8 and iirc it's back in Gen 9? Fire Spin Hydreigon was a godsend in Gen 8 UU for the longest time too. It's really strange. I guess there's Whirlpool + Perish Song lower-tier waters but they don't really benefit from the items. Trapping moves mainly work on Pokemon you can't really afford to switch into, while wanting to use a bulky variant of the Pokemon. Protective Pads is also sold a little short. It's been used by tons of Pokemon in the past, specifically in Ferrothorn tiers. Garchomp uses it a lot, for example. The most notable use-case is Rapid Strike Urshifu, which takes tons of damage from Iron Barbs otherwise. Rocky Helmet is insanely common, even today, it's an extremely good item in a post-Heavy-Duty Boots world. I remember Metronome having some use-cases as well? I think Skeledirge uses it right now?
There actually WAS a brief time period where Giga Drain was awesome: Gen 6 Contrary Serperior with Life Orb on Hyper Offense. Beef the feck up with one or two Leaf Storms, and then spam Giga Drain to completely negate the downside of Life Orb and just clap butt cheeks while sitting at full HP. That was really only viable during gen 6 because of power creep in later gens, but it _WAS_ really good at the time. ... And even in that scenario, Big Root was still not used. HA!
The most niche item I’ve learned about recently is the TR for Overheat. In Sword and Shield Fling inherits the power of a held TR, so Fling becomes a one time Dark 140 BP attack. Apparently Kyurem Black can run it as a niche option on an already niche Pokemon.
Dunno if you were aware of this but Blunder Policy is commonly used (when its used) with sleep moves like Hypnosis. Either you get a free turn, or +2 speed. Hypnosis basically becomes a 60/40 roll as Spore/Agility.
@@ImportedCheese off the top of my head I know Xurkitree does this. Doesn't have access to speed boosts for its base 83 speed but does get hypnosis. Comes in and forces a switch, you either sleep the check or outspeed it and can attempt to sweep with its base 173 special attack and beast boost.
@@JFarenci Also Porygon-2 With Zap Cannon. Can either hit a powerful electric move with always paralyses, which lowers opponents speed, or gives you +2 speed. Pretty much same outcome
A lukewarm defense of Utility Umbrella: it was used by Blissey in National Dex Ubers/AG to negate the Fire and Water boostes on Primal Groudon's Eruption and Primal Kyogre's Water Spout/Origin Pulse respectively. Idk if it's still used that way, but it was meta at some point (Edited to add "Primal")
9:38 adrenaline orb kartana. yes this is a real set. You swords dance on a predicted switch to lando t and go to town afterwards. Is it nieche? Yes Does it work? Yes 36:23 Regeneratot Pokemon like Toxapex, Amoongus or Slowbro + trappers like weavile or magnezone 39:31 unburden Hawlucha with an electric seed+tapu koko also known as KokoLucha a common hyper offense core in gen 7 50:59 slow U-turns on prankster pokemon+ you can trick it away
I also used Adrenaline Orb on Competitive Milotic in doubles to great effect, too. When getting Intimidated, you get +1 Speed from AO then +2 Special Attack from the Competitive ability. Still niche tbh because your opponent can just not bring in their Intimidate Pokémon in VGC, and it’s like you don’t have an item.
If you fling item with Pokemon with pickup ability. You will actually take the item You throw. So if you have fast pick-up Pokemon. You can basically lock your opponent with Fling King rock.
As a comment on the seeds, they actually work wonderfully, especially with something like Hawlucha. Right now, Hawlucha is OU in significant part due to getting to switch in on terrains, activate a seed, get a swords dance on its switch in, and then just spam acrobatics and close combat until the entire opponent's team faints. I think I'd put it above both berries, since it's extremely unlikely that Chesto or Custap will be on the best set of any OU pokemon, while the seeds definitely are. Then again, this is very OU biased; once you get to the lower tiers you start to run out of terrain setters. In OU itself though, it's not hard or bad to set up terrain at all considering how many good pokemon also happen to set up terrain.
That also happens in the lower tiers, actually, basically any unburden mon that doesn't have belly drum and has sweep potential can get good use of a seed since there are terrain setters avaliable in every tier, even if you might have to rely on like, thwackey or pincurchin lol Tho tbf this applies to like 4 mons who are either hawlucha or nu at best
protective pads is actually amazing on urshifu-rapid and melmetal since both of their signature moves are multihits and ferrothorn is a super common switch-in, zapdos is also a very common switch-in because of static, but protective pads guarantees urshifu is still faster and can safely go for a 2hko
This livestream was good fun, I was glad to be there. This edit is good stuff, was fun to watch even having been there for the livestream. Glad calling Sticky Barb: "Evil Leftovers" made it in.
Golurk is actually a fun Pokemon to use with Klutz + Assault Vest, since Klutz makes you unable to get the effects of your item, meaning it negates the draw back of it. Since Golurk can use Trick, it can Trick the Assault Vest onto a stall mon or something like it, and basically take away all of the things that make them annoying, excluding abilities. A pretty niche pick, but you can catch a lot of people of guard. You can do this with Swoobat and Lopunny, though Lopunny uses Switcheroo
you can use trick assault vest if your ability is Klutz and make stallers cry! Seeds are absolutely brilliant with Unburden Pokemon btw. And I use Power Herb with Sky Attack on Unburden Hawlucha. And then Acrobatics sweeps, lol.
Fun fact on iron ball, in VGC 2010 (yes I know a long time ago), where two “restricted” Pokémon (aka box legendaries) Huy Ha used Parasect and Iron Ball Mewtwo on a trick room so that he could get max value out of a normally fast Pokémon to get fifth place at worlds which is pretty cool Also side note safety goggles also blocks spore
If you compare the amount of turns on Metronome, it will take 6 consecutive turns to do the same amount of damage that choice band did in those 6 turns. Only on the 7th will Metronome finally do more. And that's assuming you are attacking a single pokemon. If a choice band user faints the opponent in an earlier turn, that is extra turns the Metronome user needs to catch up on, so it will be beyond 7 turns before it comes out ahead.
I believe the reason sheer force cancels life orb damage is because the part of the damage formula that checks for secondary effects also is the part that checks for life life orb recoil
51:40 Lagging tail abd full insence were used on lipard and purloin on a dive cats team. lipard abd purloin use assist which got priority from prankster in gen 5 and lagging tail to make sure they went last when they came up from using dive.
Ey! No held item is by far the 2nd best held item in gen 2, I'll have you know! I would never stoop so far as to have fun playing pokemon! Lefties are so important in gen 2 that having the ability to steal them is more valuable than curing status or getting a small power boost from the type items. -also shout-outs to mail for blocking trick before mega stones and z crystals were a thing, but that falls under "having fun with pokemon" territory-
@@ImportedCheese nidoking in gen 2 competitive is also commonly run with no item because of thief, the funniest clip i've seen of a gen 2 comp game is 2 nidokings using thief on each other and neither getting anything since both were itemless lol.
I know this isn't the right format, but red card is rly good in 3v3 singles just because leads are more important there. also with golisopod you can use first impression, get hit for half your health from even super effective moves because of hp ev bulk and then you both switch (red card triggers first, they don't choose and then you get to choose). I think that this item can get cracked in the right situation by giving you free setup, a good machup(or a free dead skarmory) and a still alive golisopod with half health and free 80 base power priority. this can also work with pokemon with switch moves and some bulk but you will be hitting the switched pokemon which is probably better since they don't plan to resist u-turn, but you also need to be slower. I don't think it should be ranked higher on this list tho since it is way more impact full in 3v3 than 6v6
Eject button is ok. It gives momentum which is a huge part of singles. I see it every once it a while pop into the meta. Momentum is so big with u-turn it makes protective pads and rocky helmet viable in many situations. Red card is a pretty good option on lead hazards although you also see mental herb a lot on that. The terrain seeds are a staple of hawluccha, but other than that you don't see them that often. Also fling gliscor is pretty good for a 4th move slot on some gen4/gen4 remake teams. Also with moves like rising voltage and the psychic one, there have been teams centered around terrain which would use terrain extender.
some mons runs multi hit moves which makes pads useful if there's a bunch of fiery body static rough skin rocky helm stuff around like zapdos and ferrothorn. it's niche but it sees use in singles so it's not a meme item.
I have seen one glorious use of lagging tail. Someone managed to get a prankster riolu out, with the last move being used being fly, by having the fly user die to recoil or something. Then, riolus uses copycat, prankster for priority, copying fly. Next turn hits, riolu goes second due to lagging tail. 3rd turn, priority copycat, hits fly. Repeat until your opponent catches on
@@ImportedCheese Not exactly the same, but in Gen 5 the Dive Cats strategy had a Prankster Liepard use the Lagging Tail with the move Assist to summon Dive. It was a strategy that actually found use in tournaments, and was the reason Assist no longer works on two-turn attacks with a semi-invulnerable state.
As for some item utilities in Doubles. Absorb Bulb used to be used on Ludicolo. It barely takes any damage from Politoed. Adrenaline Orb is meta-dependent, but is occasionally used on Competitive Milotic. It will outspeed and KO Landorus-T. Eject Button was used by Wolfe Glick to win the 2016 World Championship. It allowed Hitmontop to switch out and recycle Intimidate. Scope Lens used to be used on Super Luck Togekiss and Snipe Shot Inteleon in the early Gen VIII meta.
I disagree, Air Balloon is sold out. Earthquake defines the meta, thus you were given options to dodge earthquake. Its an item born of the meta defining move
just a note on life orb with sheer force, sheer force only negates the recoil of life orb if the move used has a side effect to be negated, which means if you use a move without side effect, for example earthquake, the pokemon with sheer force will take recoil, that's why the Nidos run special attack sets. also one note about rocky helmet, since there is a lot of sweepers that run recoil moves like fire blitz with life orb, if they attack a pokemon with rocky helmet and iron barbs or rough skin, you can watch their hp go from 100% to about 30% in stages, which is pretty funny, also is in range for them to be finish off by a priority revenge mon, like Scizor.
Kyurem used to use metronome in OU on occasion, until they figured out protect stopped it for no reason, if it worked on protect it would be good and GF should make it work on protect And clefable one of the top dogs in OU sometimes uses sticky barb
@@ImportedCheese yes it's stats aren't the best; but it's movepool for both offense (hi calm mind) and support (hi gen 8 teleport and wish) is absurd, it's got 2 great abilities (stall loves Unaware while Magic Guard invalidates a large as amount of shit, and most importantly it being a fairy type means it bullies more than it has any right to if you give it the right ev spread and i'm probably oversimplifying it
Wide Lens can be pretty useful with one specific move: Triple Axel. Normally boosting a 90% accuracy move to 99% isn't a big deal, but when you need to hit that 90% check three times, it does make a serious difference. Normally you have a 72.9% chance to get all three hits of Triple Axel for that sweet 120 base power, but with a Wide Lens, it becomes a 97% chance, so you'll go from not getting all three hits over a quarter of the time to getting it nearly every time. However the main abuser of Triple Axel, Weavile/Sneasel, still prefers Boots or Choice Band, but Wide Lens on them for the much more reliable Triple Axel is genuine utility.
@@ImportedCheese Still a good option even with it’s risks. Its mainly personal preference. I don’t like how choice scarf locks you into one move. I prefer the set up sweeper strat and the salac berry is my item of choice for the strat. What’s an item you use out of personal preference?
I give my Stakataka Trick Room, Gyro Ball, Rock Slide, and Superpower. Usually it sets Trick Room and then uses Superpower to activate the Eject Pack. I don't usually lead with good ol' "Labyrinth" (to avoid Intimidate), but it's still pretty handy to pivot out to somebody else under Trick Room.
@@ImportedCheese Yup, yup! Necessity is the mother of invention and Trick Room setters NEED to pivot. It's non-negotiable. Plus, if I do lead with him, and I'm staring down an Intimidate Landorus, at least I can immediately swap to something more favorable.
Re: trapping moves. I'd say they sit right there with status move logic; it's always better to buff yourself over debuffing the enemy. Trapping can easily be considered debuffing.
@@ImportedCheese Sorry, autocorrect is a fuck. Wrote `stat` and it decided I meant `status`. Always better to buff your stats over debuffing your enemies stats, but usually a good choice to inflict some kind of status move on an opponent (such as a burn) though I will say that, at least imo, using a dedicated status inflicting move that deals no damage is definitely... not great :p
(With ofc the easiest reason debuffing your enemy stats is bad is that they can just swap out in most cases. If they're trapped, and you're confident you won't die, go ahead lmfao)
"you can't plan to miss" Fissure Ting-Lu disagrees. Yes, this (i mean fissure, not blunder policy) was (is?) used competitively in doubles because if you hit - hey, enemy is dead. If you miss? Hey, stomping tantrum 150 base power next turn (which most likely makes enemy dead -110 attack STAB super-earthquake is no joke). Also Ting-Lu is super-bulky so he can get away with using stuff for multiple turns.
Another use case for Berry Juice is on the only actual viable FEAR user, Probopass. Sturdy + Berry Juice + Toxic + Stealth Rock + Pain split lets it kill a pokemon, set up rocks, and cripple another at the bare minimum. It also has access to Magic Coat to bounce opposing rocks, immunity to sand and toxic itself, making taunt, hail, Mold Breaker, and opposing magic bouncers the only surefire counters, many of which come with issues of their own if not lead against the Wooly Willy.
@@ImportedCheese Yes, it's Eirika's hair plus Lyndis' eyes (i think) and Eliwood's body (which all three are bad and worse than Roy in Binding Blade somehow)
Protective pads is a very useful item in gen 8 ou mostly because rough skin and rocky helmet are very prevelent. It is very useful on blaziken, urshifu and kartana. Adreneline orb is also very useful on swords dance kartana because kartana has high attack and a speed boost is very handy (especially with beast boost attack boosts).
The seads are actually pretty good items I can understand in the lower tiers but in Generation 7 and 8 OU and doubles the terrain setters are top threats AKA tapu Koko, tapu lele, tapu bulu, tapu fini, and rillaboom tapu koko and rillaboom specifically have U turn and Tapu koko also has Volt Switch, light screen, and reflect I would put them in the Amazon tier because they're not just like on every team but in the right circumstances you can effectively get bulk for free in doubles and outrun and kill everything in singles
@@ImportedCheese does that mean I'm on good terms or bad terms with him Hawlucha is definitely the best unburden user in singles because of its stab combo it's speed and the base power on its moves
Avoiding poltergeist in lower tiers has some walls using no item Edit: Shoulda been in the live but I was working. Adrenaline orb is only used on a physical attacker. Lol. Just Swords Dance Kartana uses it, because then it OHKOs scarf Lando that switches in to counter it, then sweeps the whole team.
Sticky Barb actually does have a niche use and shows up in serious tournament battles every now on then. Clefable sometimes uses it with Trick to beat some of its counters/switchins like Heatran, Ferrothorn and Tornadus-T as the removel of its Leftovers/Heavy Duty Boots + a 12.5% damage each turn is actually a decent way to pressure them. Its of course still niche but at least it actually sees serious use. Its certainly better than all the garbage in C and should probably be around the likes of Power Herb and Kings Rock.
I have managed to do some serious damage with blunder policy before. Relying on stone edge isnt always great, but if you miss with it, activate blunder policy and then use stomping tantrum it can be devastating
Tricking a lagging tail on one of those numerous slow, bulky pokemon with good damage doesn't sound that horrible - being slow anyway, you'd likely go second anyway, so there is at least no disadvantage. Tricking it doesn't cost a turn - cause you get initiative on the next turn wether the enemy stay in there or swaps. And lagging tail could seriously cripple some adversaries, being similar to paralysis in such an instance. So yeah, a moveslot and an item for a thunderwave+thief does seem actually kinda useful. I think usually just using thunderwave and a good item is more efficient(especially for the full para chance). But sometimes, stealing the opponents item can actually be really helpful. It's really situational, but I wonder how often this could be good and on which mon..
Seems...really bad. It DOES cost a turn since you spent that turn tricking instead of...doing anything else. And why would you hope that you steal a useful item instead of just uh, equipping a useful item? Even in the dream scenario it's barely better than just using Twave
@@ImportedCheese You don't exactly lose a turn when you were slower than the enemy to begin with(like with Twave). But yeah, straight up Para is likely just better. Its only really good if the item on the enemy really matters. But then, knock-off is better.. . I don't know if there is any passive ability that can swap items in newer generations. Would be the only really good use.
I know that I'm a month late and this is a nitpick, but Magma Storm is actually a very good move for trapping special walls (chansey/blissey) and then whittling them down. Otherwise trapping moves are bad lol
@@ImportedCheese I hope there are still held items in SV. Would be weird to remove something that's there since Gen 2. What next? Dark and Steel types no longer exist?
@@surtrgaming1730 To be fair, Fairy/Dark/Steel types shouldn't have existed in LoA anyway since the Olivine gym was a Rock gym until Steel was discovered
Weirdest niche for Blunder Policy is with The gen 8 fossils, notably Dracobeak. Because it has Hustle and Boltbeak, it has a miss chace from hustle (use Dragon rush for ‘reliability’), you can double your speed from a miss, doubling Boltbeaks power alongside hustle It hits like a freight train but its a diceroll, especially when choice scarf Dracovish is literally right there.
Shell Bell was always a disappointment for me, even in-game you have to basically oneshot the opponent for the Bell to outheal plain Leftovers. The Aron strat is fun tho.
I’d be a little bit more lenient on the absorb bulb and friends just because you can put them on a Pokémon that _resists_ that type, and then switch into the attack as you normally would want to. It’s still not very good, but it can still provide a nice boost to your power Also, grass types aren’t QUITE that bad. A lot of em have a lot of problems, yeah, but the type itself safely swaps in on Earthquakes and Scalds without any real problems, and it also makes Pokémon like Ferrothorn much more dangerous than they would be if just pure Steel
@@ImportedCheese I’m the weirdo who prefers fast offensive grass types like Sceptile and Leavanny anyway: lot of weaknesses + good resistances is, in my mind, best suited to hit and run tactics rather than wasting time with leech seed. I’d rather bop things with a SD boosted Leaf Blade or slap em with a Leaf Storm, then leave once something drops in packing Fire Blast or Brave Bird
The one "supereffective" berry I like in concept (never used nor seen it used lol) is the Normal type one (I forget how it's called) because it sounds very random and useless, since, you know, Normal type lol, but it actually lowers Normal type damage for every Pokémon as if it were supereffective. So, like, it could reduce damage from a Boomburst or a Return or something I guess. Overall very niche and meme but at least more useful than Float Stone lmao There's some other berries that weren't covered, but like, nothing major: Kee/Maranga for a +1 Def/Sp. Def after taking a physical/special hit; Jaboca/Rowap to inflict Rocky Helmet damage once if you're hit by a physical/special hit; Enigma is pretty much a supereffective berry but instead of reducing damage it heals 25% HP; Lansat is a pinch berry but for crit rate; Starf is a pinch berry but for a random stat but 2 stages (idk why you'd use Starf lol, if you're feeling lucky just use Focus Band, as you've said yourself lol); finally, Micle is a pinch berry that boosts the accuracy of the next move by 20%. They're all so niche and probably all go in the Bargain Bin so heh, it's fine lol, just wanted to talk about them for the other commentors to see. There's a lot of berries with various effects you wouldn't suspect ^^ Anyway, very cool and fun tier list! ❤️
@@ImportedCheese Inverted Battle should be the default anyway :^) (jokes aside, I unironically wish it were used more lol. Turns any and all metas on their heads x) )
The Chilan berry (normal reduction berry) is only used in one situation to my knowledge; it’s used on deoxys-normal (yes, deoxys-normal, not one of the actually good formes), to survive one extremespeed from extreme killer arceus and OHKO it with counter This is obviously terrible, since you’re using deoxys-normal (deoxys-attack doesn’t survive extremespeed even with chilan berry), and this is, like, the one niche deoxys-normal has over deoxys-attack; if the opponent sees that you’re using deoxys-normal and they know about this, they know that you’re probably exploiting it and can just… not use extremespeed It is technically usable in every format where ekiller arceus is a threat, though, so that’s pretty much every ubers tier post-gen 4, and it’s the closest thing to a niche that chilan berry has
Protective Pads is not garbage. It's actually pretty good on Urshifu rapid strike. It uses a contact multi hit move and u-turn in a metagame where static and flame body are often used abilities which cripple it pretty hard (Zapdos/Volcarona/Heatran...). Not to mention rocky helmet Ferrothorn or Garchomp.
Actually I think you could use red card to get rid of a sweeper if your Pokémon also has Endure or Sturdy, I don't know if it really would make it go up the tier by much since you'd have to dedicate an ability or a move and a turn, as well as your item, but it could have some use
Only time I've really used Iron Ball was to give Thundurus-T the full power of a Rising Voltage. Pretty okay, but really only useful lower on the showdown ladder.
I think that Truant Trap Durant teams use Eject Button on Durant for the free switch; if Durant gives you Truant on the same turn you attack it, they get to ensure that they can switch in Dugtrio and trap you.
Another use case for Red Card is on pokemon that want to do builky setup. Bellydrum Slurpuff gets all the attention, but it can make nasty use of cotton guard and calm mind to become a frustrating drain-tank, especially if the opponent is expecting the bellydrum set uses one of their turns to switch into a steel-type (+3 def) then gets red carded while you calm mind and activate unburden.
So here is my thought with the eject pack (and something I used it for). The moves that reduce your own stats (like Superpower) will now have U-Turn viability for its first use giving said moves a little extra utility.
eject button on a defensive mon (better with regeneration) has a niche as you can switch into something and then get a powerfull frail mon for free EDIT: no they wont attack you again if you have rocky helmet, a lot of people will hard switch and not u-turn for example, and with Weavile triple axel and water urshifu that item is amazing on defensive pokemon, toxapex, corviknight, slowbro and ferrotorn really love it to the point where protective pads are used on those 2 (also Zapdos and Moltres as a bonus)
The name of the adrenaline orb in german is different too. Its called "Zitterorb" which basically means "shiver orb" Edit: Surprisingly utility umbrella has actual usage in ubers with blissey so that it can take hits from kyogre with rain
honestly in game I just throw whatever stab boosting item like charcoal or mystic water on my mons (or exp share in games where that's held), and maybe status cure berries for their respective gyms and that's about it
The only slight issue with air balloon is that It tells your opponent that you have it. It’s still useful for the free turn but you’re not faking your opponent out with it. Also binding band affects dynamics moves that apply trapped status like fire spin so it can be slightly useful but still bottom of the barrel.
@@ImportedCheese Oh, definitely. You're guaranteeing that you'll take damage for the possibility of doing more damage. I guess if you're, for some ungodly reason, using Endeavor strats outside of FEAR it could work? Could also be good with Counter/Revenge strats, bait in a SE attack then guarantee the attack with lagging tail, but both of them are also decreased priority so... questionable.
Weakness Policy doesn't work by missing moves. It activates when you get a super effective hit and you get +2 on Attack and Special Attack (unless they changed it). Edit: nvm that's another item, I suck at paying attention
Hear me out: on an Outrage or Trash Pokémon with high attack and Own Tempo, a Berserk Gene would basically just be Intrepid Sword +. The only major downsides are getting locked into moves would guarantee your opponents switch ins like Ghost Types switching in on Thrash or Fairy types switching in on Outrage; but if you take care of the Pokémon that could answer this earlier in the game, this hypothetical Pokémon could make a great late game cleaner. If this item ever came back and Annihilape got Own Tempo he could possibly be Ubers Ban Material.
Berserk Gene has potential to be busted if a good Pokemon gets Tangled Feet or Own Tempo or some yet to be made confusion boosting or mitigation ability
Shell bell really ought to be 1/8; it'd still be bad, but at least it might be used by something other than FEAR A-Aron. AT 1/16th, you have to be doing near-100% damage to Pokemon with more HP than you on consecutive turns for it to be better than Leftovers. In which case you don't really need either because you're going to win in a few turns.
I've used lagging tail in-game on Smeargle to move second in a double battle, so that I could sketch my other pokemon's move. So that's a use I guess? Also, ring target should be S tier. It's the perfect counter to air balloon Rotom-Fan
metronome is even worse, so choice items boost 50% and over six turns metronome will boost damage by 0% to 100% Which means that by the 6th turn of metronome, you've done an additional 300% damage... which so did the scarf move.. because boosting you move by 50% for 6 turns is still 300%.... so you actually need to use the move SEVEN times to get that boost over a choice items... by which you may have already swept the opponents ledyba at that point
Imo the absorb bulb stuff is ok in doubles. A +1 is a +1. Specs (which is obv a way better item) trades a really annoying restriction for a +1. Absorb bulb is like a very shitty specs that lets you use all your moves. But a +1 is quite powerful.
As someone who had a surprisingly intense reaction to having blood drawn recently, adrenaline rushes are just as much about flight as it could be for flight. Took, like, ten minutes for my vision to fully come back, dang.
The M in MOS Burger stands for Mountain, not morning. I was tricked by insidious grass types and their Morning Sun, it wasn't my fault.
It's never my fault
Your tier lists have always been the highlight of my day. Keep up the great work cheese.
The only Pokemon I can think of with Morning Sun are Espeon and Beautifly and those aren't Grass types
I dont recall any grass types learning morning sun. I do remember Espeon and Beautifly learning it though
the big root actually works on draining kiss too, and too like, massive affect? like, a crap ton of healing for some reason? I remember using it in the premier gen 6 of fairy type on my sylveon and then just wrecking shop with draining kiss, and potentially getting fully healed too. I think it may even be a bug of some sort...
What you forgot about with Adrenaline Orb was the Defiant and Competitive abilities
I love how in Gen V, the NPC who gives you the ring target says that only a really good trainer can make good use of it.
Guess I must not be a really good trainer
That NPC ought to be a really good trainer then since the only way a 'really good trainer' can make good use of Ring Target is by giving it to someone else.
@@korayven9255 such a multi layer joke
Being a trick user, maybe?
Eject Button work really well in AG with Truant Durant. You basically Entrainment your opponent so their ability become Truant. Once you got hit you switch to other Pokemon. Switch to Shadow Tag Gotithel or Arena Trap Dugtrio. Set up during Truant and protect during hit turn. You basically sweep your opponent.
AG is its own nightmare lol
@@ImportedCheese I guess it's just testament on how op shadow tag are.
@@riqua27 and how bad truant is
and how unhinged AG is
It's funny that since this video, Binding Band has become a pretty legit item in competitive singles. Binding Band Heatran with Magma Storm is a pretty strong Pokemon, it forces so many predictable plays. It's something a lot of people prepared for in SPL during Gen 8 and iirc it's back in Gen 9? Fire Spin Hydreigon was a godsend in Gen 8 UU for the longest time too. It's really strange. I guess there's Whirlpool + Perish Song lower-tier waters but they don't really benefit from the items. Trapping moves mainly work on Pokemon you can't really afford to switch into, while wanting to use a bulky variant of the Pokemon.
Protective Pads is also sold a little short. It's been used by tons of Pokemon in the past, specifically in Ferrothorn tiers. Garchomp uses it a lot, for example. The most notable use-case is Rapid Strike Urshifu, which takes tons of damage from Iron Barbs otherwise. Rocky Helmet is insanely common, even today, it's an extremely good item in a post-Heavy-Duty Boots world.
I remember Metronome having some use-cases as well? I think Skeledirge uses it right now?
Just like how Roy the binding blade user is finally good in Smash ultimate!!!
There actually WAS a brief time period where Giga Drain was awesome: Gen 6 Contrary Serperior with Life Orb on Hyper Offense. Beef the feck up with one or two Leaf Storms, and then spam Giga Drain to completely negate the downside of Life Orb and just clap butt cheeks while sitting at full HP. That was really only viable during gen 6 because of power creep in later gens, but it _WAS_ really good at the time. ... And even in that scenario, Big Root was still not used. HA!
Just more grass type propaganda
Sap sipper mons be like:
@@Malhonn glare time
@@Malhonn"this is some gourmet sh*t"
Late response but this comment is wrong and even on HO you'd run the Sub/Glare/Leaf Storm/HP Fire set because of how good it pairs with Keldeo
The most niche item I’ve learned about recently is the TR for Overheat. In Sword and Shield Fling inherits the power of a held TR, so Fling becomes a one time Dark 140 BP attack. Apparently Kyurem Black can run it as a niche option on an already niche Pokemon.
Somebody mentioned this in THE LIVE!
Hilarious lol
ITS THE TM FOR OVERHEAT
TR43? Nothing compared to TR71
@@Oscar-ek2jx TMs can’t be held items anymore, TRs are the one use TM replacements, mostly kept for better moves
Overheat has 130 BP post-gen 6
Dunno if you were aware of this but Blunder Policy is commonly used (when its used) with sleep moves like Hypnosis. Either you get a free turn, or +2 speed. Hypnosis basically becomes a 60/40 roll as Spore/Agility.
Who are these pokemon that care about both boosting speed and sleeping?! I'll never admit ANY niche usage!
@@ImportedCheese off the top of my head I know Xurkitree does this. Doesn't have access to speed boosts for its base 83 speed but does get hypnosis. Comes in and forces a switch, you either sleep the check or outspeed it and can attempt to sweep with its base 173 special attack and beast boost.
@@JFarenci Also Porygon-2 With Zap Cannon. Can either hit a powerful electric move with always paralyses, which lowers opponents speed, or gives you +2 speed. Pretty much same outcome
A lukewarm defense of Utility Umbrella: it was used by Blissey in National Dex Ubers/AG to negate the Fire and Water boostes on Primal Groudon's Eruption and Primal Kyogre's Water Spout/Origin Pulse respectively. Idk if it's still used that way, but it was meta at some point
(Edited to add "Primal")
Lukewarm because the Utility Umbrella kept you shielded from the harsh sun
9:38
adrenaline orb kartana.
yes this is a real set.
You swords dance on a predicted switch to lando t and go to town afterwards.
Is it nieche?
Yes
Does it work?
Yes
36:23
Regeneratot Pokemon like Toxapex, Amoongus or Slowbro + trappers like weavile or magnezone
39:31
unburden Hawlucha with an electric seed+tapu koko
also known as KokoLucha a common hyper offense core in gen 7
50:59
slow U-turns on prankster pokemon+
you can trick it away
I also used Adrenaline Orb on Competitive Milotic in doubles to great effect, too. When getting Intimidated, you get +1 Speed from AO then +2 Special Attack from the Competitive ability. Still niche tbh because your opponent can just not bring in their Intimidate Pokémon in VGC, and it’s like you don’t have an item.
Guess I'm not an Adrenaline Orb junkie
18:00 to be fair this item would be monstrous with Gen 1 trapping move mechanics
Glad Gen 1 trapping has been dead and buried for over 20 years
@@ImportedCheese
Instead, we got Jirachi Iron Head to fill the “void”
If you fling item with Pokemon with pickup ability. You will actually take the item You throw. So if you have fast pick-up Pokemon. You can basically lock your opponent with Fling King rock.
Seems fun! Also seems pretty bad lol
Too bad Knock Off ruins the fun
Fling kings rock Lillipup is an epic strat tbh
As a comment on the seeds, they actually work wonderfully, especially with something like Hawlucha. Right now, Hawlucha is OU in significant part due to getting to switch in on terrains, activate a seed, get a swords dance on its switch in, and then just spam acrobatics and close combat until the entire opponent's team faints. I think I'd put it above both berries, since it's extremely unlikely that Chesto or Custap will be on the best set of any OU pokemon, while the seeds definitely are.
Then again, this is very OU biased; once you get to the lower tiers you start to run out of terrain setters. In OU itself though, it's not hard or bad to set up terrain at all considering how many good pokemon also happen to set up terrain.
That might all be true, but seeds are grass adjacent and I don't like grass types
@@ImportedCheese Grass adjacent
That also happens in the lower tiers, actually, basically any unburden mon that doesn't have belly drum and has sweep potential can get good use of a seed since there are terrain setters avaliable in every tier, even if you might have to rely on like, thwackey or pincurchin lol
Tho tbf this applies to like 4 mons who are either hawlucha or nu at best
protective pads is actually amazing on urshifu-rapid and melmetal since both of their signature moves are multihits and ferrothorn is a super common switch-in, zapdos is also a very common switch-in because of static, but protective pads guarantees urshifu is still faster and can safely go for a 2hko
5:52, 24:24 _(Clears throat in Yugioh Arc V)_
"But you still take the damage!"
Alright, thats all, I'll see myself out
"But you still take the damage" is peak Yu Gi Oh wording
This livestream was good fun, I was glad to be there. This edit is good stuff, was fun to watch even having been there for the livestream. Glad calling Sticky Barb: "Evil Leftovers" made it in.
Thanks for your contributions in THE LIVE!
Golurk is actually a fun Pokemon to use with Klutz + Assault Vest, since Klutz makes you unable to get the effects of your item, meaning it negates the draw back of it. Since Golurk can use Trick, it can Trick the Assault Vest onto a stall mon or something like it, and basically take away all of the things that make them annoying, excluding abilities. A pretty niche pick, but you can catch a lot of people of guard. You can do this with Swoobat and Lopunny, though Lopunny uses Switcheroo
Someone mentioned klutz/trick/assault vest in THE LIVE but I cut it
you can use trick assault vest if your ability is Klutz and make stallers cry! Seeds are absolutely brilliant with Unburden Pokemon btw.
And I use Power Herb with Sky Attack on Unburden Hawlucha. And then Acrobatics sweeps, lol.
1:13:52 you are forgetting about meteor beam. A lot of really good Pokémon run power herb like nihilego and celes Tesla
Someone mentioned meteor beam in the chat. Cut from THE PREMIUM!
Fun fact on iron ball, in VGC 2010 (yes I know a long time ago), where two “restricted” Pokémon (aka box legendaries) Huy Ha used Parasect and Iron Ball Mewtwo on a trick room so that he could get max value out of a normally fast Pokémon to get fifth place at worlds which is pretty cool
Also side note safety goggles also blocks spore
VGC! I don't like it!
Also I believe I mentioned Safety Goggles blocks spore when I talked about Amoongus? At least I think I did
If you compare the amount of turns on Metronome, it will take 6 consecutive turns to do the same amount of damage that choice band did in those 6 turns. Only on the 7th will Metronome finally do more. And that's assuming you are attacking a single pokemon. If a choice band user faints the opponent in an earlier turn, that is extra turns the Metronome user needs to catch up on, so it will be beyond 7 turns before it comes out ahead.
I think we analyze this in the Brilliant Diamond Only A run where we had Spex and Metronome available
I believe the reason sheer force cancels life orb damage is because the part of the damage formula that checks for secondary effects also is the part that checks for life life orb recoil
but why
51:40 Lagging tail abd full insence were used on lipard and purloin on a dive cats team. lipard abd purloin use assist which got priority from prankster in gen 5 and lagging tail to make sure they went last when they came up from using dive.
we talk about DiveCats in the Gen 3 moves list!
Ey! No held item is by far the 2nd best held item in gen 2, I'll have you know! I would never stoop so far as to have fun playing pokemon!
Lefties are so important in gen 2 that having the ability to steal them is more valuable than curing status or getting a small power boost from the type items.
-also shout-outs to mail for blocking trick before mega stones and z crystals were a thing, but that falls under "having fun with pokemon" territory-
I think someone mentioned itemless Thief Misdrevous in THE LIVE, but I cut it from THE PREMIUM
@@ImportedCheese nidoking in gen 2 competitive is also commonly run with no item because of thief, the funniest clip i've seen of a gen 2 comp game is 2 nidokings using thief on each other and neither getting anything since both were itemless lol.
I know this isn't the right format, but red card is rly good in 3v3 singles just because leads are more important there. also with golisopod you can use first impression, get hit for half your health from even super effective moves because of hp ev bulk and then you both switch (red card triggers first, they don't choose and then you get to choose). I think that this item can get cracked in the right situation by giving you free setup, a good machup(or a free dead skarmory) and a still alive golisopod with half health and free 80 base power priority. this can also work with pokemon with switch moves and some bulk but you will be hitting the switched pokemon which is probably better since they don't plan to resist u-turn, but you also need to be slower.
I don't think it should be ranked higher on this list tho since it is way more impact full in 3v3 than 6v6
what is this Golisopod propaganda
Eject button is ok. It gives momentum which is a huge part of singles. I see it every once it a while pop into the meta. Momentum is so big with u-turn it makes protective pads and rocky helmet viable in many situations. Red card is a pretty good option on lead hazards although you also see mental herb a lot on that. The terrain seeds are a staple of hawluccha, but other than that you don't see them that often. Also fling gliscor is pretty good for a 4th move slot on some gen4/gen4 remake teams.
Also with moves like rising voltage and the psychic one, there have been teams centered around terrain which would use terrain extender.
It's not momentum that you actually control tho
some mons runs multi hit moves which makes pads useful if there's a bunch of fiery body static rough skin rocky helm stuff around like zapdos and ferrothorn. it's niche but it sees use in singles so it's not a meme item.
Ok but Urshifu doesn't exist so pads are useless!!!
I have seen one glorious use of lagging tail. Someone managed to get a prankster riolu out, with the last move being used being fly, by having the fly user die to recoil or something. Then, riolus uses copycat, prankster for priority, copying fly. Next turn hits, riolu goes second due to lagging tail. 3rd turn, priority copycat, hits fly. Repeat until your opponent catches on
How...do you get the fly user to die to recoil...? Life...orb...?
@@ImportedCheese I think it was a level 1, life orb, sturdy, skarmory
@@ImportedCheese Strudy Sticky barbs. the pokemon is ko'ed during the semi invulnerable state. I think perish Song works too.
@@ImportedCheese Not exactly the same, but in Gen 5 the Dive Cats strategy had a Prankster Liepard use the Lagging Tail with the move Assist to summon Dive. It was a strategy that actually found use in tournaments, and was the reason Assist no longer works on two-turn attacks with a semi-invulnerable state.
Hey I really love those edits. Perfect for spending a lazy sunday morning !
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As for some item utilities in Doubles.
Absorb Bulb used to be used on Ludicolo. It barely takes any damage from Politoed.
Adrenaline Orb is meta-dependent, but is occasionally used on Competitive Milotic. It will outspeed and KO Landorus-T.
Eject Button was used by Wolfe Glick to win the 2016 World Championship. It allowed Hitmontop to switch out and recycle Intimidate.
Scope Lens used to be used on Super Luck Togekiss and Snipe Shot Inteleon in the early Gen VIII meta.
I disagree, Air Balloon is sold out. Earthquake defines the meta, thus you were given options to dodge earthquake. Its an item born of the meta defining move
Nice try, Heatran!
just a note on life orb with sheer force, sheer force only negates the recoil of life orb if the move used has a side effect to be negated, which means if you use a move without side effect, for example earthquake, the pokemon with sheer force will take recoil, that's why the Nidos run special attack sets.
also one note about rocky helmet, since there is a lot of sweepers that run recoil moves like fire blitz with life orb, if they attack a pokemon with rocky helmet and iron barbs or rough skin, you can watch their hp go from 100% to about 30% in stages, which is pretty funny, also is in range for them to be finish off by a priority revenge mon, like Scizor.
Kyurem used to use metronome in OU on occasion, until they figured out protect stopped it for no reason, if it worked on protect it would be good and GF should make it work on protect
And clefable one of the top dogs in OU sometimes uses sticky barb
I'll never accept OU Clefable. Mediocre stats!!
Mamoswine also uses metronome in gen 7 ou.
@@ImportedCheese yes it's stats aren't the best; but it's movepool for both offense (hi calm mind) and support (hi gen 8 teleport and wish) is absurd, it's got 2 great abilities (stall loves Unaware while Magic Guard invalidates a large as amount of shit, and most importantly it being a fairy type means it bullies more than it has any right to if you give it the right ev spread
and i'm probably oversimplifying it
Wide Lens can be pretty useful with one specific move: Triple Axel. Normally boosting a 90% accuracy move to 99% isn't a big deal, but when you need to hit that 90% check three times, it does make a serious difference. Normally you have a 72.9% chance to get all three hits of Triple Axel for that sweet 120 base power, but with a Wide Lens, it becomes a 97% chance, so you'll go from not getting all three hits over a quarter of the time to getting it nearly every time. However the main abuser of Triple Axel, Weavile/Sneasel, still prefers Boots or Choice Band, but Wide Lens on them for the much more reliable Triple Axel is genuine utility.
That's uh...something
Gimme that band boost tho
Don’t use the adrenaline orb basically. You want a held item to boost speed? Use a salac berry it’s a way better option.
Salac berry kinda risky tho
@@ImportedCheese Still a good option even with it’s risks. Its mainly personal preference. I don’t like how choice scarf locks you into one move. I prefer the set up sweeper strat and the salac berry is my item of choice for the strat. What’s an item you use out of personal preference?
I give my Stakataka Trick Room, Gyro Ball, Rock Slide, and Superpower. Usually it sets Trick Room and then uses Superpower to activate the Eject Pack. I don't usually lead with good ol' "Labyrinth" (to avoid Intimidate), but it's still pretty handy to pivot out to somebody else under Trick Room.
Eject strats?!
@@ImportedCheese Yup, yup! Necessity is the mother of invention and Trick Room setters NEED to pivot. It's non-negotiable. Plus, if I do lead with him, and I'm staring down an Intimidate Landorus, at least I can immediately swap to something more favorable.
Re: trapping moves. I'd say they sit right there with status move logic; it's always better to buff yourself over debuffing the enemy. Trapping can easily be considered debuffing.
But...inflicting status on enemies is really useful...
@@ImportedCheese Sorry, autocorrect is a fuck. Wrote `stat` and it decided I meant `status`. Always better to buff your stats over debuffing your enemies stats, but usually a good choice to inflict some kind of status move on an opponent (such as a burn) though I will say that, at least imo, using a dedicated status inflicting move that deals no damage is definitely... not great :p
(With ofc the easiest reason debuffing your enemy stats is bad is that they can just swap out in most cases. If they're trapped, and you're confident you won't die, go ahead lmfao)
Whoever came up with Funbro is an evil genius and I now have a new way to torment people in pokemon.
Only in Anything Goes tier, unfortunately (or fortunately...?)
"I don't think your eyes are the part of the body taking the damage"
... well... maybe they're _really big_ safety goggles.
It was hailing today and I only had Wise Glasses
@@ImportedCheese But were they big though
I like Roy, he be our boi, but I’m a realist and that truth bomb you dropped gained you a subscriber. I like your humor and competitive insight 👍
I'm sure roy will be great in the fe6 remake!
@@ImportedCheese I’m sure he will. Unless we play classic and anything above easy difficulty!
"you can't plan to miss"
Fissure Ting-Lu disagrees.
Yes, this (i mean fissure, not blunder policy) was (is?) used competitively in doubles because if you hit - hey, enemy is dead. If you miss? Hey, stomping tantrum 150 base power next turn (which most likely makes enemy dead -110 attack STAB super-earthquake is no joke).
Also Ting-Lu is super-bulky so he can get away with using stuff for multiple turns.
vgc is a joke
Another use case for Berry Juice is on the only actual viable FEAR user, Probopass. Sturdy + Berry Juice + Toxic + Stealth Rock + Pain split lets it kill a pokemon, set up rocks, and cripple another at the bare minimum. It also has access to Magic Coat to bounce opposing rocks, immunity to sand and toxic itself, making taunt, hail, Mold Breaker, and opposing magic bouncers the only surefire counters, many of which come with issues of their own if not lead against the Wooly Willy.
Scarf also allows for fast Trick, which Band and Specs don't do
It's true! Scarf supremacy!
...Is that profile part...Erika...?
@@ImportedCheese Yes, it's Eirika's hair plus Lyndis' eyes (i think) and Eliwood's body (which all three are bad and worse than Roy in Binding Blade somehow)
@@justintsui2522 oof
Eirika isn't that bad....in the 5% of runs where she remembers she's supposed to have a 40% strength growth
I liked the Lumbridge joke, hope to see it's return someday
we did runescape streams!!
Protective pads is a very useful item in gen 8 ou mostly because rough skin and rocky helmet are very prevelent. It is very useful on blaziken, urshifu and kartana. Adreneline orb is also very useful on swords dance kartana because kartana has high attack and a speed boost is very handy (especially with beast boost attack boosts).
New boxing gloves in SV?!
The seads are actually pretty good items I can understand in the lower tiers but in Generation 7 and 8 OU and doubles the terrain setters are top threats AKA tapu Koko, tapu lele, tapu bulu, tapu fini, and rillaboom tapu koko and rillaboom specifically have U turn and Tapu koko also has Volt Switch, light screen, and reflect I would put them in the Amazon tier because they're not just like on every team but in the right circumstances you can effectively get bulk for free in doubles and outrun and kill everything in singles
Hawlucha wants to know your location
@@ImportedCheese does that mean I'm on good terms or bad terms with him Hawlucha is definitely the best unburden user in singles because of its stab combo it's speed and the base power on its moves
Avoiding poltergeist in lower tiers has some walls using no item
Edit: Shoulda been in the live but I was working. Adrenaline orb is only used on a physical attacker. Lol. Just Swords Dance Kartana uses it, because then it OHKOs scarf Lando that switches in to counter it, then sweeps the whole team.
I would have mentioned that but Landorus intimidated me and I was too scared to mention a counter strategy
Sticky Barb actually does have a niche use and shows up in serious tournament battles every now on then. Clefable sometimes uses it with Trick to beat some of its counters/switchins like Heatran, Ferrothorn and Tornadus-T as the removel of its Leftovers/Heavy Duty Boots + a 12.5% damage each turn is actually a decent way to pressure them.
Its of course still niche but at least it actually sees serious use. Its certainly better than all the garbage in C and should probably be around the likes of Power Herb and Kings Rock.
B A R B E D propaganda
I have managed to do some serious damage with blunder policy before. Relying on stone edge isnt always great, but if you miss with it, activate blunder policy and then use stomping tantrum it can be devastating
Sounds too random to me
Tricking a lagging tail on one of those numerous slow, bulky pokemon with good damage doesn't sound that horrible - being slow anyway, you'd likely go second anyway, so there is at least no disadvantage. Tricking it doesn't cost a turn - cause you get initiative on the next turn wether the enemy stay in there or swaps. And lagging tail could seriously cripple some adversaries, being similar to paralysis in such an instance.
So yeah, a moveslot and an item for a thunderwave+thief does seem actually kinda useful. I think usually just using thunderwave and a good item is more efficient(especially for the full para chance). But sometimes, stealing the opponents item can actually be really helpful. It's really situational, but I wonder how often this could be good and on which mon..
Seems...really bad. It DOES cost a turn since you spent that turn tricking instead of...doing anything else. And why would you hope that you steal a useful item instead of just uh, equipping a useful item?
Even in the dream scenario it's barely better than just using Twave
@@ImportedCheese You don't exactly lose a turn when you were slower than the enemy to begin with(like with Twave). But yeah, straight up Para is likely just better. Its only really good if the item on the enemy really matters. But then, knock-off is better.. .
I don't know if there is any passive ability that can swap items in newer generations. Would be the only really good use.
I know that I'm a month late and this is a nitpick, but Magma Storm is actually a very good move for trapping special walls (chansey/blissey) and then whittling them down. Otherwise trapping moves are bad lol
Magma storm good?!
@@ImportedCheese on heatran it's quite common but yessir
In regards to Adrenaline Orb you can slap it on a Defiant Pokémon for +1 Speed AND Attack
Still need to rely on an enemy intimidate though, sad!!!!!
Now I'm just imagining an alternate timeline where Held Items existed in the game for the same amount of time Z moves were a thing for us.
Mandatory xp share in Let's Go -> mandatory xp share in SwSh
No items in Legends -> No items in SV
@@ImportedCheese I hope there are still held items in SV. Would be weird to remove something that's there since Gen 2. What next? Dark and Steel types no longer exist?
@@surtrgaming1730 To be fair, Fairy/Dark/Steel types shouldn't have existed in LoA anyway since the Olivine gym was a Rock gym until Steel was discovered
the arceus plates also give a slight damage boost to moves of that type, so they're not really arceus specific.
Butbut...why use the flame plate when you can use the PREMIUM charcoal?!
"Trapping moves are bad" Magma Storm Heatran says hi
Inaccurate!!!
Weirdest niche for Blunder Policy is with The gen 8 fossils, notably Dracobeak. Because it has Hustle and Boltbeak, it has a miss chace from hustle (use Dragon rush for ‘reliability’), you can double your speed from a miss, doubling Boltbeaks power alongside hustle
It hits like a freight train but its a diceroll, especially when choice scarf Dracovish is literally right there.
Oof...I'd rather just use a scarf, just as I'm sure the fossils would rather have been left dead
Shell Bell was always a disappointment for me, even in-game you have to basically oneshot the opponent for the Bell to outheal plain Leftovers. The Aron strat is fun tho.
"lifesteal" effects are always fun
............not always good
I’d be a little bit more lenient on the absorb bulb and friends just because you can put them on a Pokémon that _resists_ that type, and then switch into the attack as you normally would want to. It’s still not very good, but it can still provide a nice boost to your power
Also, grass types aren’t QUITE that bad. A lot of em have a lot of problems, yeah, but the type itself safely swaps in on Earthquakes and Scalds without any real problems, and it also makes Pokémon like Ferrothorn much more dangerous than they would be if just pure Steel
Grass type shill detected!!
@@ImportedCheese
I’m the weirdo who prefers fast offensive grass types like Sceptile and Leavanny anyway: lot of weaknesses + good resistances is, in my mind, best suited to hit and run tactics rather than wasting time with leech seed. I’d rather bop things with a SD boosted Leaf Blade or slap em with a Leaf Storm, then leave once something drops in packing Fire Blast or Brave Bird
Incredibly cursed poke photoshoots as usual
Garchomp phelps is haunting 😱
It's the face of the greatest swimmer of all time, he even swims through land!!
The one "supereffective" berry I like in concept (never used nor seen it used lol) is the Normal type one (I forget how it's called) because it sounds very random and useless, since, you know, Normal type lol, but it actually lowers Normal type damage for every Pokémon as if it were supereffective. So, like, it could reduce damage from a Boomburst or a Return or something I guess. Overall very niche and meme but at least more useful than Float Stone lmao
There's some other berries that weren't covered, but like, nothing major: Kee/Maranga for a +1 Def/Sp. Def after taking a physical/special hit; Jaboca/Rowap to inflict Rocky Helmet damage once if you're hit by a physical/special hit; Enigma is pretty much a supereffective berry but instead of reducing damage it heals 25% HP; Lansat is a pinch berry but for crit rate; Starf is a pinch berry but for a random stat but 2 stages (idk why you'd use Starf lol, if you're feeling lucky just use Focus Band, as you've said yourself lol);
finally, Micle is a pinch berry that boosts the accuracy of the next move by 20%.
They're all so niche and probably all go in the Bargain Bin so heh, it's fine lol, just wanted to talk about them for the other commentors to see. There's a lot of berries with various effects you wouldn't suspect ^^
Anyway, very cool and fun tier list! ❤️
Normal reducing berry OPOPOP in inverse battles?!
@@ImportedCheese Inverted Battle should be the default anyway :^) (jokes aside, I unironically wish it were used more lol. Turns any and all metas on their heads x) )
The Chilan berry (normal reduction berry) is only used in one situation to my knowledge; it’s used on deoxys-normal (yes, deoxys-normal, not one of the actually good formes), to survive one extremespeed from extreme killer arceus and OHKO it with counter
This is obviously terrible, since you’re using deoxys-normal (deoxys-attack doesn’t survive extremespeed even with chilan berry), and this is, like, the one niche deoxys-normal has over deoxys-attack; if the opponent sees that you’re using deoxys-normal and they know about this, they know that you’re probably exploiting it and can just… not use extremespeed
It is technically usable in every format where ekiller arceus is a threat, though, so that’s pretty much every ubers tier post-gen 4, and it’s the closest thing to a niche that chilan berry has
2:57 into the vid, my prediction is that lightball is there for fling because it can paralyse when flung.
I uh...probably should have left light ball out.
No Pikachu favoritism here!
Light ball is such a wasted item I mean why use Pikachu when you can use charizard instead
Why use ANY pokemon when you could use Charizard?
Protective Pads is not garbage.
It's actually pretty good on Urshifu rapid strike. It uses a contact multi hit move and u-turn in a metagame where static and flame body are often used abilities which cripple it pretty hard (Zapdos/Volcarona/Heatran...). Not to mention rocky helmet Ferrothorn or Garchomp.
I don't think that saves it from the dump, sadly
Actually I think you could use red card to get rid of a sweeper if your Pokémon also has Endure or Sturdy, I don't know if it really would make it go up the tier by much since you'd have to dedicate an ability or a move and a turn, as well as your item, but it could have some use
at least red card is stronger than yellow card
The FE memes have me laughing every time. I love this channel and you’re one of my fav Pokémon RUclipsrs
was there for The Live, had so much fun. cant wait for the next tier list
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38:20 - the cans of chickpeas are a crucial part of Imported Cheese Lore
Picking up chicks!!!
9:34 wait I got it. Adrenaline orb... on bisharp. Defiant actually gives you +1 attack
I don't know if anyone mentioned it, but Bisharp can use Adrenaline Orb to get a free Dragon Dance if it gets Intimidated because of Defiant
Is it free though? It costs your item and relies on your opponent...
Only time I've really used Iron Ball was to give Thundurus-T the full power of a Rising Voltage.
Pretty okay, but really only useful lower on the showdown ladder.
That's...real creative lol :Smolgalaxy:
I think that Truant Trap Durant teams use Eject Button on Durant for the free switch; if Durant gives you Truant on the same turn you attack it, they get to ensure that they can switch in Dugtrio and trap you.
sounds like way too much work
Another use case for Red Card is on pokemon that want to do builky setup. Bellydrum Slurpuff gets all the attention, but it can make nasty use of cotton guard and calm mind to become a frustrating drain-tank, especially if the opponent is expecting the bellydrum set uses one of their turns to switch into a steel-type (+3 def) then gets red carded while you calm mind and activate unburden.
but surely the bulky pokemon would rather have leftovers
So here is my thought with the eject pack (and something I used it for). The moves that reduce your own stats (like Superpower) will now have U-Turn viability for its first use giving said moves a little extra utility.
Maybe too useful?!
That Perrserker is still so lovely
I wish it were stronger
i do love these videos, its always interesting and funny :)
Items!!
Duraludon with evolite coming soon.
Will it be any good?!
I do wonder if Berserk Gene would work with Own Tempo in modern Pokemon? Imagine the possibilities...
Probably would? No good Own Tempo physical attackers tho
eject button on a defensive mon (better with regeneration) has a niche as you can switch into something and then get a powerfull frail mon for free
EDIT: no they wont attack you again if you have rocky helmet, a lot of people will hard switch and not u-turn for example, and with Weavile triple axel and water urshifu that item is amazing on defensive pokemon, toxapex, corviknight, slowbro and ferrotorn really love it to the point where protective pads are used on those 2 (also Zapdos and Moltres as a bonus)
I used it in a Karen Challenge video because I had to use Cosmoem...
I never thought about the life orb message and im intrigued as hell now
Let's hanging on to life?! :OhAGame:
The name of the adrenaline orb in german is different too. Its called "Zitterorb" which basically means "shiver orb"
Edit: Surprisingly utility umbrella has actual usage in ubers with blissey so that it can take hits from kyogre with rain
Shiver me timbers?!
I hope someday they add in a physical version of assault vest
Would it be too powerful?!
@@ImportedCheese unkillable avlug
Protective Pads is actually very used right now
Urshifu moment
Berry juice + recycle type FEAR set is pretty scary situationally
“PRETTY IRONIC AN ITEM ALL ABOUT FLOATING SINKS TO THE BOTTOM” - howling, this is poetry in motion
George Lucas will now hire me
honestly in game I just throw whatever stab boosting item like charcoal or mystic water on my mons (or exp share in games where that's held), and maybe status cure berries for their respective gyms and that's about it
The only slight issue with air balloon is that It tells your opponent that you have it. It’s still useful for the free turn but you’re not faking your opponent out with it. Also binding band affects dynamics moves that apply trapped status like fire spin so it can be slightly useful but still bottom of the barrel.
I think you're supposed to switch in on predicted ground moves
I just came from Battle Tower and lost two streaks because of a Choice Scarf so I think your assessment of the item rather accurate lmao.
OPOP item
The lag tail I used it on a prankster Pokémon that set up trick room
Lagging Tail and etc would be good for smth like Payback, but wholly situational.
That seems really...bad.
@@ImportedCheese Oh, definitely. You're guaranteeing that you'll take damage for the possibility of doing more damage. I guess if you're, for some ungodly reason, using Endeavor strats outside of FEAR it could work?
Could also be good with Counter/Revenge strats, bait in a SE attack then guarantee the attack with lagging tail, but both of them are also decreased priority so... questionable.
Weakness Policy doesn't work by missing moves. It activates when you get a super effective hit and you get +2 on Attack and Special Attack (unless they changed it).
Edit: nvm that's another item, I suck at paying attention
I think you are mixing up blunder and weakness policy
@@Magic_Ice yeah
You'd get +2 speed for this comment!
@@ImportedCheese slanderous, nice
In my defense +2 speed for missing sounded too ridiculous to be a real item when you were describing it
Hear me out: on an Outrage or Trash Pokémon with high attack and Own Tempo, a Berserk Gene would basically just be Intrepid Sword +. The only major downsides are getting locked into moves would guarantee your opponents switch ins like Ghost Types switching in on Thrash or Fairy types switching in on Outrage; but if you take care of the Pokémon that could answer this earlier in the game, this hypothetical Pokémon could make a great late game cleaner. If this item ever came back and Annihilape got Own Tempo he could possibly be Ubers Ban Material.
sure but all the Own Tempo users are awful
Berserk Gene has potential to be busted if a good Pokemon gets Tangled Feet or Own Tempo or some yet to be made confusion boosting or mitigation ability
I dunno about busted but it would be...ok
Losing the boost on switching out is sad
Shell bell really ought to be 1/8; it'd still be bad, but at least it might be used by something other than FEAR A-Aron. AT 1/16th, you have to be doing near-100% damage to Pokemon with more HP than you on consecutive turns for it to be better than Leftovers. In which case you don't really need either because you're going to win in a few turns.
It's just a weird item...gives offensive pokemon a defensive effect?
Lagging Tail and Stall Sableye Meta when?
Just keep waiting
I've used lagging tail in-game on Smeargle to move second in a double battle, so that I could sketch my other pokemon's move. So that's a use I guess?
Also, ring target should be S tier. It's the perfect counter to air balloon Rotom-Fan
But you can sketch moves outside of battle rather than waste a turn in battle
@@deeznoots6241 idk if that's a feature in a newer game, but pretty sure you can't do that in gen 4
@@gabrielfonseca1642 ah I misspoke, I thought you implied you were using lagging tail competitively, rather than merely using it to set up a sketch
but what about QUASH?!
@@ImportedCheese I did this in gen IV, so that wasn't an option lol
5:06, unless you don't have the better one yet.
Binding Band destroys Toxapex. Yup, that is all it does ^^".
EDIT: Seeds are definitely low A, too
The FUNbro bit had me rolling. Great vid
Glad you had....fun
metronome is even worse,
so choice items boost 50% and over six turns metronome will boost damage by 0% to 100% Which means that by the 6th turn of metronome, you've done an additional 300% damage... which so did the scarf move.. because boosting you move by 50% for 6 turns is still 300%.... so you actually need to use the move SEVEN times to get that boost over a choice items... by which you may have already swept the opponents ledyba at that point
Imo the absorb bulb stuff is ok in doubles. A +1 is a +1. Specs (which is obv a way better item) trades a really annoying restriction for a +1. Absorb bulb is like a very shitty specs that lets you use all your moves. But a +1 is quite powerful.
Seems horrible...you gotta activate it by splashing your own teammate with surf?!
As someone who had a surprisingly intense reaction to having blood drawn recently, adrenaline rushes are just as much about flight as it could be for flight. Took, like, ten minutes for my vision to fully come back, dang.
Leech Life buffed to 80 bp?!
@@ImportedCheese Accuracy-reduction secondary effect, ten turns.