As someone who can no longer go to London and who would love to have gone on a Hidden London tour or two, this series has been an absolute delight for me. Congratulations and a big ‘thank you’ to all of you for a great series. I sincerely hope that there be another series.
Another super hangout. Thanks to all. When I first started riding the tube many years ago, the trains were all driven by men. But I do recall the tremendous stir caused by the first woman who took to the rails as a driver on the District line? I wonder how supportive all the men were at the time...?
I Love the Way You Guys Spoke of But Didn't go into too Much Detail of The Moorgate Disaster! There is already Loads of Documentaries and Photo's of that Day around the Internet! Well Done Sir's & Madame's
I'm having great fun browsing through some of these shows retrospectively, and really enjoying them. I remember Moorgate Northern Line platforms being refurbished in the early 80's, to match those at Old Street, with the illuminated roundels, Victoria Line style. What I didn't realise, what came to light during the more recent refurbishment, was that the previous tiles, and frieze signage at least, were left in place underneath and just covered up by the "more modern tiling. I noticed this when I observed part of the wall underneath being exposed as a result of the new alterations.
My memories of Moorgate from around 1964 First I remember the old Northern city line with huge tunnels and old standard tube stock.The line was scarey I thought it was haunted. Back on to Moorgate proper. It was all open air then I used to catch the train from Moorgate on the widened lines to Finsbury park. Sadly all gone now. They started to build over the line in the late 60s. There were tunnels from Liverpool Street station down to the underground as so e point. Interesting to know if the tunnels still exist Back to the Northern City line it was built with 16ft tunnels and the GNR ran full size electric trains down there using two outside conductor rails. It became part of London Transport in the 1930s and was changed to LT electrification.using an outside rail at 420 V positive and a centre rail of 210v negative to give 630v The line ran to Finsbury Park until 1964 when it was truncated back to Drayton Park so the Victoria line could use the old Finsbury Park platforms. It had been planned to extend the line up to Alexander Palace and there were new girders at Finsbury Park station on the old LNER to accommodate the service. Well the war put paid to that scheme. The line fell into disuse in 64 as you had to catch a shuttle bus to Drayton Park. It was the last line on the tube to use standard tube stock. See video of it below. This video can't be later than 64 as trains are still Runng to Finsbury Park The old standard stock was bought by BR to use on the Isle of Wight and the. 1938 stock was used till the fateful Moorgate of 75. Due to the of the tunnels BR took the line over converting it to third rail to Drayton Park then using conventional OHLE at 25kv See this video at Drayton Park ruclips.net/video/KZxk08n8Jag/видео.html#
@@alexgrundon2346 Thanks Alex I loved the old standard tube stock, far better than the 1938 stock, which is why I seemed to frequent the Northern City line. It you changed off the busy Northern line at Old Street you walked down long deserted pedestrian tunnels to the Northern City. The tunnel mouths were hugely imposing, the stations were deserted during the day and they had a dank smell. You could hear the faint noise of tubes on the old Northern line but other than that it felt like being alone in a cemetery at midnight. The other interesting point was unlike the tube where the train is almost like a piston in a cylinder these trains were small and so when a train was approaching it made a really eerie sound, I almost expected some form of poltergeist activity. If I could explore London underground disused stations and tunnels I would.
Thank you for an excellent series of Podcasts showcasing/ advertising the London Transport Museum's Hidden London Tours. All good things come to an end. All the best team for the future.
Very interesting views of old Moorgate. Incidently the war damaged train at Moorgate is O or P stock - not Q stock. They look the same but are technically very different. Keep doing the Hangouts.
Further to my earlier comments here is some Wonderful footage you may be interested, in particular the 5.30 mark of the video. Trains from both Kings Cross and all so the Midland mainline went to Moorgate on what became known as the Widened lines. At Kings cross there were two tunnels each side of the station that led down to the Met. From Kentish town similar line also sent down. At Carrington there was a ju cation that went via snow hill and a bridge over Ludgate circus and Blackfriars over the Thames This is now Thameslink and the bridge at Ludgate circus is gone. Also a line led to Smithfield Meat markets and there was a subterranean goods yard. The circular road down to it is still there. Back to the video it shows steam at Carrington and Barbican and also Moorgate. The steam service stopped in 1959 when diesels took over. Also note the steam hauled goods trains at Farringdon, these were Midland trains heading over the Thames to transfer frieghts to South London. Similar services came from Hornsey. I was so fascinated by trains and and tunnels and most stuff the public don't see. Here is the vid ruclips.net/video/AvwdYv5Int8/видео.html
The C&SLR locomotive now in the LT Museum used to be in the old transport gallery of the Science Museum, near the large door covered by a curtain at the far end of the ground floor which was used to move large exhibits in and out. Displayed next to it was a powered axle taken from the one which was damaged at Moorgate when it was scrapped. I had never seen a photograph of the Moorgate one, and didn't realise that it had been on a raised plinth.
Another brilliant episode. I’m sad that this series is about to end, but I’m excited to see what the next series will be like. Thanks Hidden London Hangouts team!
You’re so kind Alexis. Thank you. Team HLH is gutted series one is done but it was originally only a three part pilot to see how we all got on. Amazing to think we are now good mates with a shared interest and wicked humour. Series 2 to follow!
Another excellent episode! Perhaps a future episode on Holborn? Might even be able to do a package deal with Chancery Lane? I know that both of these were originally fitted with lifts so there has to be something disused down there. If you can possibly make some sort of connection with the Holborn Viaduct as well that would be fab as I've always found it interesting as well. Cheers!
Now you’re talking. Holborn’s platform to Aldwych is beautiful. Zigzag platform tiles, even a callbox on the platform. There are som pics on my personal Instagram from a visit Chris and I made last November.
Great series, people. Question: has the Underground ever carried freight? There's mention of GWR trains taking meat to Smithfield market by tunnel, seemingly sharing Metropolitan lines. Tell us more, please.
TILES ! More wonderful tiles! At Elephant & Castle (on a pedestrian tunnel connecting the Bakerloo and C&SLR platforms) I've seen a brown egg-and-dart frieze on cream tiles, at waist height. It's quite unlike the geometric Leslie Green designs. It looked VERY old, so probably original. Do you think it's a Bakerloo or C&SLR artifact? Regards, Paul C.
@@alexgrundon2346 Thanks! I couldn't find the photo I took of it, but I think I have since found the answer. In one of the videos of the LT Museum, there's an exhibit of a glass rail-insulator found at the old King William Street station. Next to it is THAT TILE ! So I presume that was also found at K W S, which would make it C&SLR. I'd like to go again, but Elephant & Castle is some way from Exeter, so you'd better get down there ! Regards, Paul C.
10 Weeks!? How did that happen? Will be sad to see these end, but seems well timed. Certainly has helped to keep me sane whilst wfh away from lul. Thanks all.
For those interested in the Moorgate train disaster May I recommend: Tales from the Tube - Episode 13 The Mystery of Moorgate Video by Jago Hazzard The Book: Moorgate Anatomy of a Railway Disaster by Sally Holloway
As someone who can no longer go to London and who would love to have gone on a Hidden London tour or two, this series has been an absolute delight for me. Congratulations and a big ‘thank you’ to all of you for a great series. I sincerely hope that there be another series.
You lovely man! Thank you! Series 2 is on the way!
Another super hangout. Thanks to all.
When I first started riding the tube many years ago, the trains were all driven by men. But I do recall the tremendous stir caused by the first woman who took to the rails as a driver on the District line? I wonder how supportive all the men were at the time...?
There’s a lovely poster of the first female tube driver on show at some stations. Amazing moment in tube history too
I Love the Way You Guys Spoke of But Didn't go into too Much Detail of The Moorgate Disaster! There is already Loads of Documentaries and Photo's of that Day around the Internet! Well Done Sir's & Madame's
I'm having great fun browsing through some of these shows retrospectively, and really enjoying them. I remember Moorgate Northern Line platforms being refurbished in the early 80's, to match those at Old Street, with the illuminated roundels, Victoria Line style. What I didn't realise, what came to light during the more recent refurbishment, was that the previous tiles, and frieze signage at least, were left in place underneath and just covered up by the "more modern tiling. I noticed this when I observed part of the wall underneath being exposed as a result of the new alterations.
My memories of Moorgate from around 1964
First I remember the old Northern city line with huge tunnels and old standard tube stock.The line was scarey I thought it was haunted.
Back on to Moorgate proper.
It was all open air then
I used to catch the train from Moorgate on the widened lines to Finsbury park.
Sadly all gone now.
They started to build over the line in the late 60s.
There were tunnels from Liverpool Street station down to the underground as so e point.
Interesting to know if the tunnels still exist
Back to the Northern City line it was built with 16ft tunnels and the GNR ran full size electric trains down there using two outside conductor rails.
It became part of London Transport in the 1930s and was changed to LT electrification.using an outside rail at 420 V positive and a centre rail of 210v negative to give 630v
The line ran to Finsbury Park until 1964 when it was truncated back to Drayton Park so the Victoria line could use the old Finsbury Park platforms.
It had been planned to extend the line up to Alexander Palace and there were new girders at Finsbury Park station on the old LNER to accommodate the service.
Well the war put paid to that scheme.
The line fell into disuse in 64 as you had to catch a shuttle bus to Drayton Park.
It was the last line on the tube to use standard tube stock.
See video of it below.
This video can't be later than 64 as trains are still Runng to Finsbury Park
The old standard stock was bought by BR to use on the Isle of Wight and the. 1938 stock was used till the fateful Moorgate of 75.
Due to the of the tunnels BR took the line over converting it to third rail to Drayton Park then using conventional OHLE at 25kv
See this video at Drayton Park
ruclips.net/video/KZxk08n8Jag/видео.html#
That’s a pretty impressive audition for series 2 of the Hangouts! Great little line and so much history x
@@alexgrundon2346 Thanks Alex
I loved the old standard tube stock, far better than the 1938 stock, which is why I seemed to frequent the Northern City line.
It you changed off the busy Northern line at Old Street you walked down long deserted pedestrian tunnels to the Northern City.
The tunnel mouths were hugely imposing, the stations were deserted during the day and they had a dank smell.
You could hear the faint noise of tubes on the old Northern line but other than that it felt like being alone in a cemetery at midnight.
The other interesting point was unlike the tube where the train is almost like a piston in a cylinder these trains were small and so when a train was approaching it made a really eerie sound,
I almost expected some form of poltergeist activity.
If I could explore London underground disused stations and tunnels I would.
So excited to watch this as Moorgate brings back so many memories of walking there from Liverpool Street to get the Northern Line to work 🙂
Thank you for an excellent series of Podcasts showcasing/ advertising the London Transport Museum's Hidden London Tours.
All good things come to an end. All the best team for the future.
We’ll be back with series 2 before you know it. But I hope we’ve helped you thru lockdown with series 1..
Once again I was unable to watch live, but another great one, Thanks!
Very interesting views of old Moorgate. Incidently the war damaged train at Moorgate is O or P stock - not Q stock. They look the same but are technically very different. Keep doing the Hangouts.
Further to my earlier comments here is some Wonderful footage you may be interested, in particular the 5.30 mark of the video.
Trains from both Kings Cross and all so the Midland mainline went to Moorgate on what became known as the Widened lines.
At Kings cross there were two tunnels each side of the station that led down to the Met.
From Kentish town similar line also sent down.
At Carrington there was a ju cation that went via snow hill and a bridge over Ludgate circus and Blackfriars over the Thames
This is now Thameslink and the bridge at Ludgate circus is gone.
Also a line led to Smithfield Meat markets and there was a subterranean goods yard.
The circular road down to it is still there.
Back to the video it shows steam at Carrington and Barbican and also Moorgate.
The steam service stopped in 1959 when diesels took over.
Also note the steam hauled goods trains at Farringdon, these were Midland trains heading over the Thames to transfer frieghts to South London.
Similar services came from Hornsey.
I was so fascinated by trains and and tunnels and most stuff the public don't see.
Here is the vid
ruclips.net/video/AvwdYv5Int8/видео.html
AMAZING!
The C&SLR locomotive now in the LT Museum used to be in the old transport gallery of the Science Museum, near the large door covered by a curtain at the far end of the ground floor which was used to move large exhibits in and out. Displayed next to it was a powered axle taken from the one which was damaged at Moorgate when it was scrapped. I had never seen a photograph of the Moorgate one, and didn't realise that it had been on a raised plinth.
Another brilliant episode. I’m sad that this series is about to end, but I’m excited to see what the next series will be like. Thanks Hidden London Hangouts team!
You’re so kind Alexis. Thank you. Team HLH is gutted series one is done but it was originally only a three part pilot to see how we all got on. Amazing to think we are now good mates with a shared interest and wicked humour. Series 2 to follow!
@@alexgrundon2346 Can't wait! 😁
Another great hangout, lots of info.
Love the relaxed atmosphere of these videos.
😘
Fascinating episode. The Crossrail shaft is in Finsbury Circus
I’ll let Siddy know. She can add it to her “”special” A to Z.... 😂
There is a crossrail shaft in Moorfields next to Barbican underneath the Deutche Bank building work.
How about a program on the Brill and Verney Junction lines?
Thank you guys. Another good video. Stay safe and look forward to next time.
See you next week!
Excellent Episode once again guys! amazing! :)
😘
Another great episode ladies and gents!
We love you !
@@alexgrundon2346 awhh too kind! ❤️
And always loving the puns!
When it comes to Moorgate i can never really get past what happened there on Platform 9 in Feb 1975
Another excellent episode! Perhaps a future episode on Holborn? Might even be able to do a package deal with Chancery Lane? I know that both of these were originally fitted with lifts so there has to be something disused down there. If you can possibly make some sort of connection with the Holborn Viaduct as well that would be fab as I've always found it interesting as well. Cheers!
Now you’re talking. Holborn’s platform to Aldwych is beautiful. Zigzag platform tiles, even a callbox on the platform. There are som pics on my personal Instagram from a visit Chris and I made last November.
Yay! I’ve framed a piece of moquette in honor of hidden hangouts!
PERRRRRRFECT! Which one?
Would love to see the Moorgate tour, been using it for 38 years, one day maybe after Lockdown 👍.
Great series, people. Question: has the Underground ever carried freight? There's mention of GWR trains taking meat to Smithfield market by tunnel, seemingly sharing Metropolitan lines. Tell us more, please.
And coals carried by Met. trains east from King's Cross St. Pancras, amongst other things, places and companies.
TILES ! More wonderful tiles! At Elephant & Castle (on a pedestrian tunnel connecting the Bakerloo and C&SLR platforms) I've seen a brown egg-and-dart frieze on cream tiles, at waist height. It's quite unlike the geometric Leslie Green designs. It looked VERY old, so probably original. Do you think it's a Bakerloo or C&SLR artifact? Regards, Paul C.
I would have thought it was Bakerloo. But what a find. Well spotted!
@@alexgrundon2346 Thanks! I couldn't find the photo I took of it, but I think I have since found the answer. In one of the videos of the LT Museum, there's an exhibit of a glass rail-insulator found at the old King William Street station. Next to it is THAT TILE ! So I presume that was also found at K W S, which would make it C&SLR. I'd like to go again, but Elephant & Castle is some way from Exeter, so you'd better get down there ! Regards, Paul C.
@@iscaphoneTis indeed C&SLR. They're immeasurably better than any derivatives that followed, Dreckly or not!
Various Banks have built offices above Moorgate Station.
From 1968 it was Lazard Brothers.
2022 it will be Deutche Bank
If any Station is multi-storey - it is Kings Cross - Which also has Fleet River in a Tunnel
Good evening everyone. Don your bowlers!
Stunning photos all! Are they Siddys
Done!
10 Weeks!? How did that happen? Will be sad to see these end, but seems well timed.
Certainly has helped to keep me sane whilst wfh away from lul. Thanks all.
As Arnie kinda said.... we’ll be back x
Okay - just a quick Q. Is the green prototype stock still at the Museum Depot please?
Ooh good question... one for Chris.
If you mean one of the three Eighties variants, then yes it's there in all its lime green and silver splendour.
For those interested in the Moorgate train disaster May I recommend:
Tales from the Tube - Episode 13
The Mystery of Moorgate
Video by Jago Hazzard
The Book:
Moorgate Anatomy of a Railway Disaster
by Sally Holloway
You've been shafted!
All these tunnels and works are a monument to all the many anomalous workers who have faded into the obscurity of history.
🎉
Couldn’t take photographs of things in 1865? How were all those photographs of the American Civil War taken then?
Why are there no carrots allowed on the underground? 😂
Dare I say _enlighten_ us?
Brilliant! 75 viewers, the most I've seen, so far. Looking forward to next week. Take care, all. By bye :)
Glad you were one of them... 😇