I find a lot of practitioners are rather lackluster. I would like to see more energy from people in Koryu. This performance had about the same intensity as an old man folding a paper airplane.
You shouldnt really make kata in koryu faster, there are ryuha that are fast and ones that are slower and thats ok. Its traditional sword arts, and unless you are kendo practisioner or something diffrent you dont need to make it faster, and niten ichi ryu have still quite dynamic kata and some enbu show it bit better than this one.
@@TeodorKichler I didn't say faster. I said more energy. You can do slowly with a lot of energy. Slow is fast, if you do things right. To do things right, you need put energy into what you're doing. Your sword should be a living sword, not a dead sword.
@@kimonowolf different Miyagawa as it turns out. The Miyagawa line was founded by Aoki Sensei's student Miyagawa Yasutaka. Amusingly the Hosokawa Den was founded by another student of Aoki's, also called Miyagawa (though I forget his given name). But these guys are doing certain things unique to the Miyagawa line, specifically their calling Chudan "Seigan", the way they're doing Shoto Mojigamae, and their Nito Jodan is a clipped version of ours (usually there are 2 Jujidome). There are other things they're not doing, but there's enough hallmarks of the Miyagawa line that I recognized that I thought they must have trained with Miyagawa Sensei & was surprised i didn't know about them.
@@TheWasteOfTime Interesting information. I've seen them at presentations for years now. Certainly looks different from what I'm used to, but the world is big enough for more than one branch. Speaking of, judging by your comment, you too practise Niten, who do you study under?
@@kimonowolf Hahaha, yes. I'm a student of the Miyagawa/Kansai line of Niten Ichi Ryu. My teacher is David Walter Sensei. He actually just got back from Japan where he talked with Miyagawa Sensei, one of the topics being who else from our branch is out there. So when I saw a group doing certain things our line does who I hadn't heard of it caught me offguard. But yeah, amusingly it was a conversation with a Hosokawa Den practitioner I'd found online where I learned their line was ALSO founded by a guy called Miyagawa but no relation to my Miyagawa. I was like "Great! That's not confusing at all!" As someone once said, Aoki Sensei was soke for something like 60 years and handed out alot of paper in that time. Apart from the Seito line through Kiyonaga Sensei, the Miyagawa, Yonehara, Gosho and Hosokawa ke lines all issue from him as well. Imai and Iwami Senseis put their distinct stamp on the Seito line, but the Miyagawa, Yonehara and Gosho lines all broadly resemble eachother. The Hosokawa line is technically distinct from the other Santo Ha lines I've seen though. Apart from the fact they're the only ones I see regularly demonstrating the Sessa and Shikko sets, they do things I don't see any of the rest of us doing.
@@TheWasteOfTime Yeah, I npticed the same about the sets they do in their enbu, pretty cool, and it showcases some aspects of our school not often seen in the public. They also have Niten Iai techniques, but I do believe they are a modern addition to their tradition. I've never met Mr. David Walter but I've heard great things about him. I myself am a student of the mainline under Kajiya soke, and the story you hear on this side of an isle, I am of the belief that more Nito is good for everyone.
I find a lot of practitioners are rather lackluster. I would like to see more energy from people in Koryu. This performance had about the same intensity as an old man folding a paper airplane.
You shouldnt really make kata in koryu faster, there are ryuha that are fast and ones that are slower and thats ok. Its traditional sword arts, and unless you are kendo practisioner or something diffrent you dont need to make it faster, and niten ichi ryu have still quite dynamic kata and some enbu show it bit better than this one.
@@TeodorKichler I didn't say faster. I said more energy. You can do slowly with a lot of energy. Slow is fast, if you do things right. To do things right, you need put energy into what you're doing. Your sword should be a living sword, not a dead sword.
Sorry, do ye know who these guys are? Do ye know if they're from the Miyagawa line of Niten Ichi Ryu?
Currently they go by the name " Hosokawa-ke Dento-Ha Heiho Niten Ichi Ryu ", but you are correct in assuming their line comes from Miyagawa.
@@kimonowolf different Miyagawa as it turns out. The Miyagawa line was founded by Aoki Sensei's student Miyagawa Yasutaka. Amusingly the Hosokawa Den was founded by another student of Aoki's, also called Miyagawa (though I forget his given name).
But these guys are doing certain things unique to the Miyagawa line, specifically their calling Chudan "Seigan", the way they're doing Shoto Mojigamae, and their Nito Jodan is a clipped version of ours (usually there are 2 Jujidome). There are other things they're not doing, but there's enough hallmarks of the Miyagawa line that I recognized that I thought they must have trained with Miyagawa Sensei & was surprised i didn't know about them.
@@TheWasteOfTime Interesting information. I've seen them at presentations for years now. Certainly looks different from what I'm used to, but the world is big enough for more than one branch. Speaking of, judging by your comment, you too practise Niten, who do you study under?
@@kimonowolf Hahaha, yes. I'm a student of the Miyagawa/Kansai line of Niten Ichi Ryu. My teacher is David Walter Sensei. He actually just got back from Japan where he talked with Miyagawa Sensei, one of the topics being who else from our branch is out there. So when I saw a group doing certain things our line does who I hadn't heard of it caught me offguard.
But yeah, amusingly it was a conversation with a Hosokawa Den practitioner I'd found online where I learned their line was ALSO founded by a guy called Miyagawa but no relation to my Miyagawa. I was like "Great! That's not confusing at all!" As someone once said, Aoki Sensei was soke for something like 60 years and handed out alot of paper in that time. Apart from the Seito line through Kiyonaga Sensei, the Miyagawa, Yonehara, Gosho and Hosokawa ke lines all issue from him as well. Imai and Iwami Senseis put their distinct stamp on the Seito line, but the Miyagawa, Yonehara and Gosho lines all broadly resemble eachother. The Hosokawa line is technically distinct from the other Santo Ha lines I've seen though. Apart from the fact they're the only ones I see regularly demonstrating the Sessa and Shikko sets, they do things I don't see any of the rest of us doing.
@@TheWasteOfTime Yeah, I npticed the same about the sets they do in their enbu, pretty cool, and it showcases some aspects of our school not often seen in the public. They also have Niten Iai techniques, but I do believe they are a modern addition to their tradition. I've never met Mr. David Walter but I've heard great things about him. I myself am a student of the mainline under Kajiya soke, and the story you hear on this side of an isle, I am of the belief that more Nito is good for everyone.