i just love that diesel clatter from the Jeep. Sure u might not here it on the hway or normal drving but with all that torque at 2000rpm thats just amazing
My 3700 pound 2001 Cherokee classic 4.0 I6 gets 17 mpg norm 19.9 mpg tops. My old 3400 pound 2001 Subaru Outback with the flat 4 could not bust 21 mpg. If they can get 28 mpg out of this 5000 pound beast. That is amazing. The VW TDi gets crazy mileage all the time no matter how hard you push it. Most of my friends get over 44 mpg with any form of that car.
I have 25.6 after 500 miles driving in my overland v6 pentastar.Really good,I drove from Pennsylvania to Orlando, Florida(20)hours with just $90 in gas each way.
BINGO. Just purchased a 2013 Passat TDI SEL. Looked at the hybrid jetta but to small in the back seat (got a kid 6ft2, 240lbs. Head hit the roof. So, we opted for the Passat. And I agree. I have 3 other gas cars in my drive/garage. 2 Jeep Libertys and one 2011 town and country. Got 50.1 mpg twice on a 600 mile trip and used up almost 3/4 tank of fuel. Heck my jeep would have needed no less then 2 fill ups and holds 3 gals more fuel. Jeep's good for off road/bad weather. That's about it.
This is an interesting SUV, but I noticed no one mentioned the fuel economy figures for the city, which I best most Grand Cherokees will be driven. Plus, the diesel's 30 mpg figure that was talked up is for the 2WD version, and I can't imagine anyone buying a diesel Jeep Grand Cherokee in anything other than 4WD. Then there's the high cost of diesel in the U.S. In my area it runs about 75¢ more than regular unleaded. I think the latter cost is why a lot of people don't prefer diesels.
I think most people are cross shopping the diesel with the V8 for the torque. The V8 uses mid grade gas and there is a 7 or 8 mpg difference. I read somewhere that the break even point would be 35,000 miles.
Actually, it wasn't a rendering at all. It has been unveiled due to an online leak which showed the SUV. Its the first car that Jeep has made under Fiat ownership and will be shown at the New York Autoshow, later this year. If you still don't agree, check on the autocar website.
Still trying to keep it friendly, so I admit that you're correct on all points. Here are some counterpoints -Diesel engines typically have longer service lives than gas engines -Diesel maintenance interval are typically further apart -Diesel engines that use urea for emission control typically has 10,000 service intervals Just friendly banter.
This engine has actually been in the export versions of the Grand Cherokee since it came out in 2011. Chrysler has been using VM Motori engines in export models since the early 90's. I've seen one of these broken down and it is very impressive. Gale Banks has been testing this engine and says it will easily overrun the 7800 RPM limit of his controller. That is very impressive for a diesel. It is also the only aluminum head, dual overhead cam diesel on the market. If Ferrari made diesels.
I like the sound of diesels. Diesels are so much better than gas motors. I hope Chrysler put this diesel motor in the wrangler. Who knows about the future maybe offer this motor in cars.
No, I'm not talking about harmful emissions. Regen is what keeps the exhaust clean. I'm just asking how often your car regenerates. 43 mpg average is good, but that's slightly better than what most people see with real world conditions. People that only make short, cold runs will frequently see regens because their DPF systems struggle to burn the exhaust.
Yes and VW's adblue is something new too. That's why they can call it "clean diesel". It uses around 3 gallons per 8-10k miles and costs about 25.00 to refill the tank. Scary thing is, if you run the tank dry (adblue), the car will not start/run.
2011, 2012 Jeeps with diesel, with Pentastar and Hemi had no issues in Europe with reliability. Jeep WK2 is probably the first American car that is matching European quality and reliability.
It's great that Chrysler is bringing their Euro diesel technology to the NA market. One thing that bugs me though it the fact that the diesel engine is only available in the top trim level. I would like to see a base model with the diesel power plant as well.
Diesels aren't the majority of engines sold globally, it's only a handful of countries that favor diesel fuel. But even that's changing with rising diesel prices.
@ Richard Ľapin Your driving a compact car and comparing your mileage to a Jeep? Go put 2000lbs in your car and report your mileage and see if you can do 0-60 in less than 8 sec. This is a heavy SUV, 30MPG is pretty good compared to the hemi or some of the previous engines it had. Can your 2.0-liter diesel Škoda Octavia Combi Tow 7200lbs too?????
i know your actually correct, so in a theoretical argument, you could win. i prefer gas in same reasons they mentioned... im afraid because of what happened in the 70's. i dont like the sound, and i don't like the low RPM, but if i were to ever buy an economical car strictly for the economy, the first thing i would look at is a diesel.
To each there own, so I'm not trying to start an argument here. I just wanted to point out if you calculate operational cost per mile diesel wins. In other words you pay more up front but get more return on your cost.
If it's an engine with no emissions controls, that would be true. The 2013 Jetta TDI is rated at 40 mpg highway with the dual clutch (42 hwy with the manual). Nothing great about that. Most small and midsize sedans return 35-42 miles per gallon highway with gas engines. I've owned diesels with and without emission controls. The drop in mileage and reliability is unbelievable.
With the 8 speed transmission and EcoDiesel engine, the 2 wheel drive variation achieves 30 mph highway. That paired with a 24.6 gallon fuel tank gives you a 730 mile range. The main culprit is the large fuel tank. Most vehicles that achieve this kind of gas mileage have a much smaller fuel tank.
7.77 seconds? That's incredible considering the ZF's 8 speed automatic transmission with its tricks for faster acceleration and improved fuel economy with the diesel.
-Diesel engines options can cost $4,000 to $8,000 more than gas. -Diesel fuel is typically more than gas. -Diesel engine maintenance is more expensive. -Diesel emissions control servicing is something you won't even see in a gas engine. -Repairing a diesel is also much more money. If your DPF, or high pressure injectors fail, it'll cost thousands and thousands to repair. Now add up your magical diesel savings.
It can be as much as $1.00 (US Dollar) more per US gallon. The national record average for gasoline was $4.11 in June or July of 2008... I believe diesel was $4.85 at that time. The current average for diesel right now is about $4.05 to $4.15 per US gallon. Even the more expensive summer blended gasoline is still cheaper than diesel by $0.30 to $0.60 a gallon.
But then I argue that only car dealers can work on hybrids (which means high service price mark-ups). Indie garages which works on the Big 3's diesel trucks should have the available equipment and tools to work on TDI motors. Truck stations often sell AdBlue and is now a DIY process and is inexpensive in large amounts.
I sincerely hope so. I've had a fair share of hybrid related horror stories circulating here and there. But I've heard that most dealers charge significantly more for a hybrid service, and due to the complex electronics in the thing your average neighbourhood mechanic can only scratch their heads. All in all, the Prius is a great poster-child of a quirky idea well executed. If only it drove more like a car and less like an appliance...then the VW TDI would have serious competition.
I have a diesel F350 with a 7.3 International. I like diesels, but am not sure if a Grand Cherokee is the right application for a diesel. If you are going to keep it for 250,000 miles, then it is worth it.
It's hard to argue against the TDI in a Passat because it's so affordable, but it's not the same with most others diesels. The Jetta TDI is about $24,000. IMO, the Jetta TDI is big waste of money.
I've put 50k on my 2012 TDI Jetta manual trans and have gotton simular results. Very seldom below 40mpg even in town. The GC needs to loose 400 lbs but it's a very well made and great driving vehicle. The people putting down the GC need to stick to their Acura road machine.
I do know that the more you let your car idle, the lower your MPG average goes. I think that's a known given. But regardless, the diesel still burns less, idel or flying down the highway. And I'm sure a Volt setting at idle will drain it's battery just the same.
A comment was made about the "sound" of the car. So what? Is it any different then the ROAR of a dual exhaust hemi or a strait pipe Harley? I remember as a teen that I use to turn my breather cap over to get the "roar" out of the engine when you pressed down on the gas just a little. Some like the roar and some of us like the clatter that a diesel makes. It's the sound of toque and low end power (and great fuel mileage).
I just sold our BMW 335D (diesel) for a new Jeep Eco Diesel. Coming out of the 335D I knew the Jeep was going to be slower since this is a SUV. To my surprise the Jeep has that great low end torque for everyday driving . That I was accustomed to with the 335. Granted I did have the 335 with a tune, but this Eco diesel has plenty of passing/merging power .The fuel mileage is sitting around 23-25 MPG mixed driving (4x4 w/factory 20 inch rims). I was @ 28-30 MPG with the 335 so I'm happy on that end of it. I do agree with some of the comment's that the HP #'s could be higher. If you want more power slap a tune on the jeep and call it a day. On a off note the fit and finish is way better the the 335D. First Jeep and definitely not the last Jeep!!
I disagree with your slap a tune on it comment. Since this is a first production run diesel, with bugs that haven't been found, I think we need to see a few with miles on them first. If anything goes wrong, and you have a tune, the dealer is going to blame the tune, even though it wouldn't have caused the issue.
in the late 80's I had a Isuzu pup (Chevy Love) that the worst MPG I got was 43 mpg. The best I got was 50 MPG driving it like a Prius . 4cylinder non turbo diesel. VW a few years back had a little known option for their Tourage, aV-10 diesel that would spank the Durango Hemi
oops, sorry. I have the 2013 VW Passat TDI SEL Premium. My last tank, driving 80mph freeway and fighting a hellish head wind was 48.9. Best tank was 50.1. City has been in the mid 40's. Odd thing is, the window sticker says 30 city/40 hwy. I've been doing much better and I drive it hard. Like my Jeeps. I get 15mpg avg/combo in my 2009 Liberty
Ford does seem like they'er on the up-swing. The MDX is on my short list. I think I was enamored by the concept of modern diesels. My mind ran to old Mercedes diesels that I know of, some still running today. I still think that if the modern diesel using modern emissions can be as (if not more) reliable as gas engines, then the alternative could be very viable. You've been great. Thx
The VM Motori V6 Jeep is using is very similar to the Benz engine. It will be interesting to see how this engine performs in the Ram. (and hopefully eventually the Wrangler)
Well, you said an average of 75 mph and 90 miles a day. That sounds like a ton of highway driving to me. Read my comment again. If you do little highway driving, a DPF equipped diesel can start having problems. DPF's need to regenerate at full temperature for a good 15-25 min regularly. If you keep interrupting regen, or if you never reach full operating temps, you'll choke up your DPF.
I dont know how good is the new engine but what I know is that the MB one is a really good realiable one. I think it would be a good ideal to but that V6 on the Ram.
Most modern gas engines now have 5k up to 15k servicing. -- Funny, my owners manual to my 2011 Town and Country says 7k but the dealer still says every 3k and explained why. The scary thing is, I have 3 Chrysler dealers within a 5 mile radius of me. Why car says 15k? My TDI says 10k in the manual and that's what the deal says. My first 3 services are FREE and at 75 a pop, saves me some bucks. My Liberty came with 12 oil changes when I got it in 2009. They get you anyway they can in the end.
all say 39? so it happens to be exactly 1mpg less than i said, not only that, but i found some station wagons from the 90s that got more than 39 mpg, i do admit that some passats might get less than 40, but from what i've observed, most reviews and drivers get about 40 mpg or so with passats and golfs
Logic would suggest that "gt7225" was referring to a diesel Wrangler in the U.S. The fact that diesel Wranglers are available somewhere else is irrelevant. Jeep promised a diesel U.S. Wrangler for 2015, and that's what I was referring to.
Yes, you obviously don't know what a subsidy is. It's simply assistance to a producer (or producers). Just search diesel subsidies. The sale of diesel is assisted by governments around the world. If diesel producers aren't just given money to make more diesel, government can at least make taxes lower for diesel to boost sales. Why do you think it's cheaper than gasoline in so many places but not in the US? Just because you pay more for all your fuels doesn't mean government isn't swaying sales.
The diesel would be a good option for someone who finds it as a proper replacement for the V8, say for towing or for someone who just wants more torque over the V6. However, I don't think it's going to be a money saving option for most prospective buyers in the US.
Is it from the angle of the camera, or is it shifting way below redline? Looks like just under 4K. I know the diesel revs a lot lower, but it looks like redline starts at about 4,500 rpm.
I'll wait and see how this motor holds up to all the crap the EPA will make them put on it. So far, none of the pickups from the big 3 have had diesels without problems in the last few years.
actually most drivers who look at the computer see 40 mpg, when you actually calculate it, alot of led footed drivers, from what i noticed on edmunds reviews, got at least 40, if you actually properly calculate the mpg, theres no way in hell you'll get even slightly less than 38.5 mpg
Well it all depends on your needs, i know that if i want to buy a Jeep and i also occasionally tow things, i would rather have the 30 mpg diesel engine, when towing, (depending on what it is) you will probably see around 20 mpg. Now put the 22mpg Hemi in, you will see about 8mpg when towing. So it really all depends on your needs. I don't know to much about the Lexus so correct me if I'm wrong but i would imagine it doesn't do to good offroad unlike the legendary Jeep, to each his own right?
I think they are putting a diesel in the wrangler, but not until late 2014-15. I know the Ram and Chrysler 300 are getting diesel options too soon. It's a good motor and I'd be willing to bet GM will use it too beings they own the other half of VM motori.
Well, I'm not going to say your wrong about that, but I think there are some things you don't realize. Many modern gas engines can go 10k miles between synthetic oil changes. You also should be aware of what today's emission controls do to diesel engines in particular. EGR and DPF regeneration can shorten the lifespan and greatly hurt the reliability of a diesel engine. My company's complaint diesels have more downtime for repairs than the gas trucks or the old diesels without emission controls.
This doesnt seem like a great improvement since I have a 97 5.9l I6 12v that gets 22 mpg and can get even better so now 16 years later it still gets the same mpg and its almost half the engine size? and mind you mine is a 3/4 ton truck getting that mileage. The VW passat has the best new TD by far getting 1600 miles to a tank
I'd love to agree with you, but that's more a myth than reality. To recover the additional cost of the diesel engine over the V6, the avg consumer would have to drive the vehicle for 8-10yrs. Only AFTER that 8-10yr mark, are you actually saving money. Worth it if you plan on driving your car for 150-200k miles, but the avg consumer doesn't own their car for that long. Diesel ends up being a waste of money. (unless you're doing it more for the environment)
Regeneration is just another way to clean up the air. I've only had my TDI regen once while sitting still in the garage. The fan was going and there was the "hot"smell. It was a new car so it had a smell. Bottom line, it's still no less deadly to our ozone then a 8cyl car. If you want to get into which is more harmful to our planet, this isn't the place. As far as my MPG, regardless what my TC says, I got by pen/paper and after 9 fill ups, 43 is my overall avg. The best was 50, worst 38.
Guess North America still lacks the infrastructure for diesel cars :( But I still have hard time to warm up to hybrids. But I like fully electric vehicles thanks to Tesla Model S. Can wait for more cars the like the Model S to appear, but maybe at a more affordable segment.
wait what are you saying ? what is Chrysler Diesel? Wait the fact that they use Mercedes Diesel.. or the fact that the truck diesels being used are the ones Caterpillar and fire trucks use? umm so please tell the world what diesel is better? please do tell?
The moose test I saw about this SUV stop me from buying it. Can some one make see the ligth because it pretty much sucked to see such great vehicle fail big time in that test. I believe it was made in sweden.
I feel like if there were less than three shifts required to get to 60, 0-60 would be quicker. Don't torquier engines, with wider powerbands, have less of a need for more gear ratios?
Given that the grand Cherokee is $50,000+ for the "luxury" trims, how do they compare with the Range Rover Sport in terms of luxury? My guess is, the off-road performance isn't much different but the Range Rover should be a lot nicer vehicle to drive
it takes more oil to make diesel like im pretty sure out of barrel of oil you get 8 gallons of diesel. and out of a barrel of oil you get something like 16 gallons of gas now dont quote me on the numbers but i know for sure you bet more gallons of gas out of a barrel then diesel
For all those diesel nay-sayers...I own a 2013 VW TDI Jetta SW...and one word for you all... stop "fussin" about diesel ... just get in and drive the thing ...but please don;t worry about something that may (or may not) happen in the future ....
My dad just got a HEMI Overland. The 8-speed really makes this vehicle take on a different character. Its awesome!
I like when you guys drive with the sunroof or show the panoramic sunroof it's so awesome
I'm a GM Duramax Turbo - Diesel guy, but now that Jeep came out with this, I think I just found my future road trip vehicle.
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i just love that diesel clatter from the Jeep. Sure u might not here it on the hway or normal drving but with all that torque at 2000rpm thats just amazing
My 3700 pound 2001 Cherokee classic 4.0 I6 gets 17 mpg norm 19.9 mpg tops. My old 3400 pound 2001 Subaru Outback with the flat 4 could not bust 21 mpg. If they can get 28 mpg out of this 5000 pound beast. That is amazing. The VW TDi gets crazy mileage all the time no matter how hard you push it. Most of my friends get over 44 mpg with any form of that car.
21 City/28 Hwy is pretty impressive considering the size and weight of this vehicle.
Ok, OK ALREADY! You guys are having WAY TO MUCH FUN! Nathan's smile says it all.
I have 25.6 after 500 miles driving in my overland v6 pentastar.Really good,I drove from Pennsylvania to Orlando, Florida(20)hours with just $90 in gas each way.
BINGO. Just purchased a 2013 Passat TDI SEL. Looked at the hybrid jetta but to small in the back seat (got a kid 6ft2, 240lbs. Head hit the roof. So, we opted for the Passat. And I agree. I have 3 other gas cars in my drive/garage. 2 Jeep Libertys and one 2011 town and country. Got 50.1 mpg twice on a 600 mile trip and used up almost 3/4 tank of fuel. Heck my jeep would have needed no less then 2 fill ups and holds 3 gals more fuel. Jeep's good for off road/bad weather. That's about it.
This is an interesting SUV, but I noticed no one mentioned the fuel economy figures for the city, which I best most Grand Cherokees will be driven. Plus, the diesel's 30 mpg figure that was talked up is for the 2WD version, and I can't imagine anyone buying a diesel Jeep Grand Cherokee in anything other than 4WD. Then there's the high cost of diesel in the U.S. In my area it runs about 75¢ more than regular unleaded. I think the latter cost is why a lot of people don't prefer diesels.
One of these without all the bells and whistles would be perfect. Even better would be cramming this diesel engine into the Wrangler.
Good point. FYI: The numbers for the 4X4 Diesel Grand Cherokee are 21 City and 28 Highway. Thanks for the comment.
I think most people are cross shopping the diesel with the V8 for the torque. The V8 uses mid grade gas and there is a 7 or 8 mpg difference. I read somewhere that the break even point would be 35,000 miles.
Actually, it wasn't a rendering at all. It has been unveiled due to an online leak which showed the SUV. Its the first car that Jeep has made under Fiat ownership and will be shown at the New York Autoshow, later this year. If you still don't agree, check on the autocar website.
Still trying to keep it friendly, so I admit that you're correct on all points. Here are some counterpoints
-Diesel engines typically have longer service lives than gas engines
-Diesel maintenance interval are typically further apart
-Diesel engines that use urea for emission control typically has 10,000 service intervals
Just friendly banter.
This engine has actually been in the export versions of the Grand Cherokee since it came out in 2011. Chrysler has been using VM Motori engines in export models since the early 90's. I've seen one of these broken down and it is very impressive. Gale Banks has been testing this engine and says it will easily overrun the 7800 RPM limit of his controller. That is very impressive for a diesel. It is also the only aluminum head, dual overhead cam diesel on the market. If Ferrari made diesels.
I like the sound of diesels. Diesels are so much better than gas motors. I hope Chrysler put this diesel motor in the wrangler. Who knows about the future maybe offer this motor in cars.
No, I'm not talking about harmful emissions. Regen is what keeps the exhaust clean. I'm just asking how often your car regenerates. 43 mpg average is good, but that's slightly better than what most people see with real world conditions. People that only make short, cold runs will frequently see regens because their DPF systems struggle to burn the exhaust.
Yes and VW's adblue is something new too. That's why they can call it "clean diesel". It uses around 3 gallons per 8-10k miles and costs about 25.00 to refill the tank. Scary thing is, if you run the tank dry (adblue), the car will not start/run.
2011, 2012 Jeeps with diesel, with Pentastar and Hemi had no issues in Europe with reliability. Jeep WK2 is probably the first American car that is matching European quality and reliability.
It's great that Chrysler is bringing their Euro diesel technology to the NA market. One thing that bugs me though it the fact that the diesel engine is only available in the top trim level. I would like to see a base model with the diesel power plant as well.
please review the 2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee trailhawk 5.7L v8!
Actually it comes from Getrag...which also builds the Audi transmission.
Diesels aren't the majority of engines sold globally, it's only a handful of countries that favor diesel fuel. But even that's changing with rising diesel prices.
The engine is made in a little town in Italy called Cento :D
have you seen the photos of it in white with black body cladding? looks 10x better
@ Richard Ľapin
Your driving a compact car and comparing your mileage to a Jeep? Go put 2000lbs in your car and report your mileage and see if you can do 0-60 in less than 8 sec. This is a heavy SUV, 30MPG is pretty good compared to the hemi or some of the previous engines it had. Can your 2.0-liter diesel Škoda Octavia Combi Tow 7200lbs too?????
Good points and Europeans also forget that a US gallon is smaller than theirs too
Part of the fun of a diesel is the sound. A quiet diesel is just wrong.
i know your actually correct, so in a theoretical argument, you could win. i prefer gas in same reasons they mentioned... im afraid because of what happened in the 70's. i dont like the sound, and i don't like the low RPM, but if i were to ever buy an economical car strictly for the economy, the first thing i would look at is a diesel.
To each there own, so I'm not trying to start an argument here. I just wanted to point out if you calculate operational cost per mile diesel wins. In other words you pay more up front but get more return on your cost.
If it's an engine with no emissions controls, that would be true. The 2013 Jetta TDI is rated at 40 mpg highway with the dual clutch (42 hwy with the manual). Nothing great about that. Most small and midsize sedans return 35-42 miles per gallon highway with gas engines. I've owned diesels with and without emission controls. The drop in mileage and reliability is unbelievable.
Thank you for the feedback!
With the 8 speed transmission and EcoDiesel engine, the 2 wheel drive variation achieves 30 mph highway. That paired with a 24.6 gallon fuel tank gives you a 730 mile range. The main culprit is the large fuel tank. Most vehicles that achieve this kind of gas mileage have a much smaller fuel tank.
7.77 seconds? That's incredible considering the ZF's 8 speed automatic transmission with its tricks for faster acceleration and improved fuel economy with the diesel.
-Diesel engines options can cost $4,000 to $8,000 more than gas.
-Diesel fuel is typically more than gas.
-Diesel engine maintenance is more expensive.
-Diesel emissions control servicing is something you won't even see in a gas engine.
-Repairing a diesel is also much more money. If your DPF, or high pressure injectors fail, it'll cost thousands and thousands to repair.
Now add up your magical diesel savings.
It can be as much as $1.00 (US Dollar) more per US gallon. The national record average for gasoline was $4.11 in June or July of 2008... I believe diesel was $4.85 at that time. The current average for diesel right now is about $4.05 to $4.15 per US gallon. Even the more expensive summer blended gasoline is still cheaper than diesel by $0.30 to $0.60 a gallon.
But then I argue that only car dealers can work on hybrids (which means high service price mark-ups). Indie garages which works on the Big 3's diesel trucks should have the available equipment and tools to work on TDI motors. Truck stations often sell AdBlue and is now a DIY process and is inexpensive in large amounts.
I sincerely hope so. I've had a fair share of hybrid related horror stories circulating here and there.
But I've heard that most dealers charge significantly more for a hybrid service, and due to the complex electronics in the thing your average neighbourhood mechanic can only scratch their heads.
All in all, the Prius is a great poster-child of a quirky idea well executed. If only it drove more like a car and less like an appliance...then the VW TDI would have serious competition.
Great.... now put this engine in their sedans.
I have a diesel F350 with a 7.3 International. I like diesels, but am not sure if a Grand Cherokee is the right application for a diesel. If you are going to keep it for 250,000 miles, then it is worth it.
proud owner of 2006 jeep grand cherokee 4.7. i really like this new diesel but bit too expensive.
I personally advocate for jeep to do something new. I want a diesel jeep wrangler 3.0 but on a low end trim or a new jeep pickup. Love the scrambler
It's hard to argue against the TDI in a Passat because it's so affordable, but it's not the same with most others diesels. The Jetta TDI is about $24,000. IMO, the Jetta TDI is big waste of money.
I've put 50k on my 2012 TDI Jetta manual trans and have gotton simular results. Very seldom below 40mpg even in town. The GC needs to loose 400 lbs but it's a very well made and great driving vehicle. The people putting down the GC need to stick to their Acura road machine.
I do know that the more you let your car idle, the lower your MPG average goes. I think that's a known given. But regardless, the diesel still burns less, idel or flying down the highway. And I'm sure a Volt setting at idle will drain it's battery just the same.
congratulations on your discovery
I love that you guys keep doing jeep! Keep it up!
A comment was made about the "sound" of the car. So what? Is it any different then the ROAR of a dual exhaust hemi or a strait pipe Harley? I remember as a teen that I use to turn my breather cap over to get the "roar" out of the engine when you pressed down on the gas just a little. Some like the roar and some of us like the clatter that a diesel makes. It's the sound of toque and low end power (and great fuel mileage).
I just sold our BMW 335D (diesel) for a new Jeep Eco Diesel. Coming out of the 335D I knew the Jeep was going to be slower since this is a SUV. To my surprise the Jeep has that great low end torque for everyday driving . That I was accustomed to with the 335. Granted I did have the 335 with a tune, but this Eco diesel has plenty of passing/merging power .The fuel mileage is sitting around 23-25 MPG mixed driving (4x4 w/factory 20 inch rims). I was @ 28-30 MPG with the 335 so I'm happy on that end of it. I do agree with some of the comment's that the HP #'s could be higher. If you want more power slap a tune on the jeep and call it a day. On a off note the fit and finish is way better the the 335D. First Jeep and definitely not the last Jeep!!
I disagree with your slap a tune on it comment. Since this is a first production run diesel, with bugs that haven't been found, I think we need to see a few with miles on them first. If anything goes wrong, and you have a tune, the dealer is going to blame the tune, even though it wouldn't have caused the issue.
Did you try a Q7 TDI or GLK 350 Bluetec? I am looking at Jeep 4X4 Overland Diesel with quad drive ii at $54K. thx!
I agree.
sooooo excited for the next video
in the late 80's I had a Isuzu pup (Chevy Love) that the worst MPG I got was 43 mpg. The best I got was 50 MPG driving it like a Prius . 4cylinder non turbo diesel. VW a few years back had a little known option for their Tourage, aV-10 diesel that would spank the Durango Hemi
The eco diesel spanks the hemi too.
oops, sorry. I have the 2013 VW Passat TDI SEL Premium. My last tank, driving 80mph freeway and fighting a hellish head wind was 48.9. Best tank was 50.1. City has been in the mid 40's. Odd thing is, the window sticker says 30 city/40 hwy. I've been doing much better and I drive it hard. Like my Jeeps. I get 15mpg avg/combo in my 2009 Liberty
Ford does seem like they'er on the up-swing. The MDX is on my short list. I think I was enamored by the concept of modern diesels. My mind ran to old Mercedes diesels that I know of, some still running today. I still think that if the modern diesel using modern emissions can be as (if not more) reliable as gas engines, then the alternative could be very viable. You've been great. Thx
The VM Motori V6 Jeep is using is very similar to the Benz engine. It will be interesting to see how this engine performs in the Ram. (and hopefully eventually the Wrangler)
Well, you said an average of 75 mph and 90 miles a day. That sounds like a ton of highway driving to me. Read my comment again. If you do little highway driving, a DPF equipped diesel can start having problems. DPF's need to regenerate at full temperature for a good 15-25 min regularly. If you keep interrupting regen, or if you never reach full operating temps, you'll choke up your DPF.
I saw one of these and I for sure knew right away it was a diesel.
Thanks for the info , I really didn't know that, I tough Jeep had only use MB diesel engine for their model, its good to know ! Have a nice day ! :)
Great facts if true..
I dont know how good is the new engine but what I know is that the MB one is a really good realiable one. I think it would be a good ideal to but that V6 on the Ram.
diesel noise doesn't come from the exhaust guys. it's more a product of the direct injection than anything.
It's not a Land Rover? That's why I'd buy one.
Most modern gas engines now have 5k up to 15k servicing.
-- Funny, my owners manual to my 2011 Town and Country says 7k but the dealer still says every 3k and explained why. The scary thing is, I have 3 Chrysler dealers within a 5 mile radius of me. Why car says 15k? My TDI says 10k in the manual and that's what the deal says. My first 3 services are FREE and at 75 a pop, saves me some bucks. My Liberty came with 12 oil changes when I got it in 2009. They get you anyway they can in the end.
i meant overall mpg from fillup to fillup, you'd have to idle for a long time to make a difference
all say 39? so it happens to be exactly 1mpg less than i said, not only that, but i found some station wagons from the 90s that got more than 39 mpg, i do admit that some passats might get less than 40, but from what i've observed, most reviews and drivers get about 40 mpg or so with passats and golfs
I still have a 2014 with 197k and I get over 30mpg usually 31.5 with on average (70% hwy) I am tuned and deleted though
I can't wait for the next video American muscle all the way
Logic would suggest that "gt7225" was referring to a diesel Wrangler in the U.S. The fact that diesel Wranglers are available somewhere else is irrelevant. Jeep promised a diesel U.S. Wrangler for 2015, and that's what I was referring to.
Finally we see the benefits of diesels in vehicles other than trucks! What took so long america! Don't like the $55,000 price tag tho
Yes, you obviously don't know what a subsidy is. It's simply assistance to a producer (or producers). Just search diesel subsidies. The sale of diesel is assisted by governments around the world. If diesel producers aren't just given money to make more diesel, government can at least make taxes lower for diesel to boost sales. Why do you think it's cheaper than gasoline in so many places but not in the US? Just because you pay more for all your fuels doesn't mean government isn't swaying sales.
I have been waiting for an SUV diesel...Yeah Jeep.
What is Euria and what is a KB-FT of torque at 5:30? Nice video guys! Keep up the great work!
So, has anyone noticed the similar design aspects between this and the gmc terrain?
The diesel would be a good option for someone who finds it as a proper replacement for the V8, say for towing or for someone who just wants more torque over the V6. However, I don't think it's going to be a money saving option for most prospective buyers in the US.
I love your videos!
well that sucks balls. My old e39 540i manual v8 did 34-35mpg highway, gotta love displacement. city was pitiful though
Is it from the angle of the camera, or is it shifting way below redline? Looks like just under 4K. I know the diesel revs a lot lower, but it looks like redline starts at about 4,500 rpm.
WHY DO YOU GUYS ALWAYS TORMENT ME! I'M A POOR COLLEGE STUDENT WHO WANTS THAT CAR!
Lol Matt Nyquist. Guy has some Swedish roots
I'll wait and see how this motor holds up to all the crap the EPA will make them put on it. So far, none of the pickups from the big 3 have had diesels without problems in the last few years.
I think you missed a car to cross shop. VW Touareg TDI. What is your opinion of the VW vs the Jeep?
actually most drivers who look at the computer see 40 mpg, when you actually calculate it, alot of led footed drivers, from what i noticed on edmunds reviews, got at least 40, if you actually properly calculate the mpg, theres no way in hell you'll get even slightly less than 38.5 mpg
Well it all depends on your needs, i know that if i want to buy a Jeep and i also occasionally tow things, i would rather have the 30 mpg diesel engine, when towing, (depending on what it is) you will probably see around 20 mpg. Now put the 22mpg Hemi in, you will see about 8mpg when towing. So it really all depends on your needs. I don't know to much about the Lexus so correct me if I'm wrong but i would imagine it doesn't do to good offroad unlike the legendary Jeep, to each his own right?
I think they are putting a diesel in the wrangler, but not until late 2014-15. I know the Ram and Chrysler 300 are getting diesel options too soon. It's a good motor and I'd be willing to bet GM will use it too beings they own the other half of VM motori.
great SUV! good quality and technology. Well done jeep!
Well, I'm not going to say your wrong about that, but I think there are some things you don't realize. Many modern gas engines can go 10k miles between synthetic oil changes. You also should be aware of what today's emission controls do to diesel engines in particular. EGR and DPF regeneration can shorten the lifespan and greatly hurt the reliability of a diesel engine. My company's complaint diesels have more downtime for repairs than the gas trucks or the old diesels without emission controls.
This doesnt seem like a great improvement since I have a 97 5.9l I6 12v that gets 22 mpg and can get even better so now 16 years later it still gets the same mpg and its almost half the engine size? and mind you mine is a 3/4 ton truck getting that mileage. The VW passat has the best new TD by far getting 1600 miles to a tank
No, all diesels sold in the U.S. must have a particulate filter.
I'd love to agree with you, but that's more a myth than reality. To recover the additional cost of the diesel engine over the V6, the avg consumer would have to drive the vehicle for 8-10yrs. Only AFTER that 8-10yr mark, are you actually saving money. Worth it if you plan on driving your car for 150-200k miles, but the avg consumer doesn't own their car for that long. Diesel ends up being a waste of money. (unless you're doing it more for the environment)
Regeneration is just another way to clean up the air. I've only had my TDI regen once while sitting still in the garage. The fan was going and there was the "hot"smell. It was a new car so it had a smell. Bottom line, it's still no less deadly to our ozone then a 8cyl car. If you want to get into which is more harmful to our planet, this isn't the place. As far as my MPG, regardless what my TC says, I got by pen/paper and after 9 fill ups, 43 is my overall avg. The best was 50, worst 38.
If they are putting this motor in the ram I hope they still keep the Cummins in the 2500/3500
Guess North America still lacks the infrastructure for diesel cars :(
But I still have hard time to warm up to hybrids. But I like fully electric vehicles thanks to Tesla Model S. Can wait for more cars the like the Model S to appear, but maybe at a more affordable segment.
wait what are you saying ? what is Chrysler Diesel? Wait the fact that they use Mercedes Diesel.. or the fact that the truck diesels being used are the ones Caterpillar and fire trucks use? umm so please tell the world what diesel is better? please do tell?
The moose test I saw about this SUV stop me from buying it. Can some one make see the ligth because it pretty much sucked to see such great vehicle fail big time in that test. I believe it was made in sweden.
I feel like if there were less than three shifts required to get to 60, 0-60 would be quicker. Don't torquier engines, with wider powerbands, have less of a need for more gear ratios?
Given that the grand Cherokee is $50,000+ for the "luxury" trims, how do they compare with the Range Rover Sport in terms of luxury? My guess is, the off-road performance isn't much different but the Range Rover should be a lot nicer vehicle to drive
diesel here in NY is $4.20 a gallon today
it takes more oil to make diesel like im pretty sure out of barrel of oil you get 8 gallons of diesel. and out of a barrel of oil you get something like 16 gallons of gas now dont quote me on the numbers but i know for sure you bet more gallons of gas out of a barrel then diesel
There must be a reason the majority of new cars sold outside of the US burn diesel...
Do you work for V.W.? The Tourareg is a beautiful trouble prone beast. Good luck with that one.
For all those diesel nay-sayers...I own a 2013 VW TDI Jetta SW...and one word for you all... stop "fussin" about diesel ... just get in and drive the thing ...but please don;t worry about something that may (or may not) happen in the future ....