The fact that he refused to walk away when he had plenty of opportunity and people were telling him to leave tells me he stayed, because he was ANGRY, not fearful. Everyone that believes he was fearful refuses to explain that part other than, "he didn't have to leave." If you're fearful in a situation and you have the chance to leave you're leaving. You're not repeatedly turning your back on the teens you're fearful of. The people that side with Miu here can't get past the defendant's framing, "old, feeble man got bullied by teens and defended himself," bs. This guy wasn't feeble. He stabbed FIVE PEOPLE with zero injuries to himself. Someone's that feeble isn't doing that... wtf is wrong with you?
@@Anna-ww4pv Yet, he's the one claiming he was in fear, yet he didn't leave despite having plenty of chances. Instead, he stayed and took out a knife and even turned his back on the teens multiple times. Instinctively, people don't turn their back on others unless they're running away. Also, Miu proved he's a liar and that he'll lie about anything to get out of trouble, and even make things up completely.
Hilarious that you think he has any obligation whatsoever to have to walk away, its a public area. What makes you think you have the right to gang up on anyone? Tell me when Miu was supposed to walk away? When these drunks were pushing him over and punching him in the face? All caught on camera too. These idiots fucked around and found out
'Avoiding Consequences " - basically says it all. He was determined to walk away from that river, and go home, never letting on that he was even involved in that incident. "What is going on, heard someone got stabbed", he said to the police officer.
He's not on trial for impeding an investigation or falsifying information. It's a murder trial with video evidence. He could even claim he feels he's guilty and still be found innocent.
@@glenforde6558 He physically stopped them by touching them. Which is assault in and of itself. Then he hit a woman. Which again is assault. You can’t provoke an altercation then claim self defense.
His actions after the stabbings do not match what his lawyers have constructed for him now. He had to lie about the knife because he knew he was wrong.
He was already in jail when he was interrogated. He was scared so he lied . Why was he in jail to begin with ? Did you watch the video ? How can you defend these horrible teenagers after seeing them bully and attack him ?
@@Fatguylittlecoat1996 He disguised himself when he left the scene. He threw away the knife at the scene. He was caught at the spot where the tubers would leave the river, ~ at some park. Google "Video of Nick Mui in police cruiser". He was NOT at the jail when the lies began. He is as guilty as sin.
For an odd, introverted immigrant engineer, he did a very unintelligent thing talking to police. Something serious and you are a suspect YOU NEVER TALK TO POLICE, Badged State Investigators, YOU NEVER TALK TO FEDERAL AGENTS. AND YOU ESPECIALLY NEVER TALK IF YOU ARE INNOCENT. Had Miu been black, he would not have been charged. Had Miu not concealed the knife, not lied to police, the investigator, the forensic nurse he would not have had angry to be lied at state DA's office throw him in jail for two years on a self defense case.
@@1chrisfordnot really that clear cut. Maybe if he pulled the knife on the 1st altercation. But the second altercation after everybody appeared to calmdown , he had his knife ready , clearly in the video And then attacks the girl who was speaking to him. Which is what proviked the kids to attack. This case could also be seen from the kids perspective as self defense. Only reason Miu is getting the piss. Is because he decided to use a lethal weapon. Instead of just explaining what he was doing “hey guys im looking for a phone”, nope. Instead he just touches their stuff , probably touched the kids while looking for the phone. imagine your family in that position a scraggly looking guy without explanation touching ur stuff and friends and not saying anything would think it suspicious and you would probably react with physical force
This rebuttal was a master stroke. I'm so gratified that he was found guilty. I was hoping he would be convicted of murder, but I'm not surprised that 12 people wouldn't agree to that. Had I been on the jury I would've spent a lot of time trying to convince the holdouts that the case for at least 2nd degree murder had been proved beyond a reasonable doubt. The people defending him seem to be callous and damaged people. It's a real sign of a sick society that so many people would defend him.
I also believe it should have been premeditated murder. It was testified, by HIS own group, that he went back to his group at least once. I believe that he went back to fetch that knife and that is what makes it premeditated. I also believe that you are absolutely right with respect to those who defend him being damaged people. How else could they relish in the death of a 17-year old boy? They fell for the defense attorney's lies as well. Not able to see the truth of things with their own eyes. Those who took the stand, with the exception of Mui, DID tell the truth of what they saw that day. They all admitted that they were wrong in taunting the creature and they all admitted that they should not have done that. They admitted their short comings in the action. NO LIES...it was two years ago and they had gone through a horrible tragedy. Mui did nothing but lie through his teeth and kept blaming the victims.
@@marymac789I agree with almost everything you said. I disagree with calling those that only watched the video as being callous, you can get a soft spot for someone that is older, that is being verbally attacked by teens, and some people really latch onto a stand your ground defense, they don't believe in just walking away from trouble, or trying to deescalate with words.
The problem with people not using words, de-escalating, or walking away, if we have too many people that have a first instinct of 'standing my ground', we are then likely to see a lot more murders. I could have stood my ground murdered people many times in my past, but I chose to either walk away, or to de-escalate with words. I am sure that is true for many people, and it's kept us out of prison.
@@marymac789Mui does look like a creepy pedo though. His actions were bizarre, so I can see why the group was calling g him names a d asking him to F off. Curious if Mui ever killed someone with a knife before because he seemed to relish in it and did serious damage each blow.
Yes he did appear to be enjoying himself immensely, I think his family knows he is a predator. He rubbed that knife through his shorts, sorta like psychopath.
@@bluefenixalchemy7this man is a veteran, an intelligent mechanical engineer with multiple degrees, and was a life long law abiding citizen with not one speeding ticket, not a single slight. That is until he cut the guts out of these young people. He has tried too hard to be perfect and In the end, he’s apparently a psychopath. The nicest, most put together people are, IMO, the worst behind closed doors. Why didn’t his friends or wife speak up? Bc they’re scared of him also.
After stabbing someone in back you can’t claim self defence. After stabbing he left scene , threw away knife , when police confronted him he said kids were fighting down there pretending to know nothing , he said kids had knifes another lie.
Yeah- he said and did weird things after. Doesn't matter in the least. We have the video of what happened. Did it occur to you that the blow to the head affected his memory?
@@UzeUrBrainthe nurse had a tough time trying to find anything except those from being on his knees on the stones using his snorkel. He even told her that. No bump on his head at all. You definitely need to do your homework on medical causations.
I hope so, he shouldn't be free on the streets to hurt others. Also I'd like to see his wife's medical history. I bet he's got a long history of physical abuse?
@@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971nah man things appeared to have cooled down and then he provoked a reaction out of the kids while he had the knife ready by attacking the girl. He knew the kids would attsck him again if he assaulted the women. Very premeditated
@@lukeGGlee they chased him down, video shows that, they surrounded him, he was assaulted and he defended himself. He pushed a girl who was touched him. You identify with the drunk teens, that’s why you’re upset. Stop being a fool. You didn’t watch the video or testimonies. You’re ignorant
That was an incredibly traumatic situation. His initial lies didn't seem suspicious, he seemed like a really traumatized individual, likely afraid that he wouldn't be treated fairlyl, and it turns out he hasn't been treated fairly.
Only a fool would have believed even one word that came from it's mouth. His testimony was filled with contradictions as well as the police interrogation on that day. ALL of those involved, as well as witnesses, were questioned on the day of the murders. No one had time to get together to corroborate their stories. The way he spoke to the police officer from the police cruiser that day made my blood go cold. People are saying that HE was in shock and giving all sorts of excuses for him. Nonsense.
Unlikely - there were far far too many witnesses. the video gave them the means to claim false narratives ( claiming the teens behaviour was in some way threatening, grossly exaggerating the extent to the which he was attacked, would not have conveniently caught everything except the start of the attack ect )
I'm so sick of the thousands of comments blaming the kids, and saying if they hadn't taunted him nothing would have happened. That could be true, but it doesn't make them guilty, and it doesn't make Miu innocent either. It's mind-boggling the people saying the kids should be facing attempted murder on him. He is guilty of murder 100%.
Provoking a man to rage by bullying him and calling him a rapist and hitting him from all sides and pushing him down into the water and choking him doesn't make the victim a cold blooded killer who committed premeditated murder. That's just insane.
Pulling the pants down lie was a really sick one to invent and shows the extent and depth of Miu’s mental derangement and detachment from reality. It also shows that predatory thoughts were top of mind for him. He will be in good company in prison with the other child murderers. Justice for Dante, Tony, Madison, Rhylie, and Quinton who suffered greatly mentally due to having both sons stabbed, and was a true and Good Samaritan. Quinton, I hope you and your family see this comment one day. AJ, I am so sorry for the injuries and so grateful that you survived. you are a well spoken and kind person. To Iaac’s parents, there are no words to describe the horrific loss of your beautiful 17 year old son. My heart aches for you.
The look in his eyes when Madison was yelling at him was pure evil. It was in that moment that he was secretly pulling out his knife. Totally premeditated. He needs to go away for life without parole.
He didn't even say a word the entire time of the encounter. He is very weird and was looking for a fight that Day. Unfortunately if he is found not guilty the teen who was killed and the teens who was stabbed that Day will half to suffer even more knowing he is still out on the streets. Also if he is found not guilty Miu will not half to pay any price for the stabbing all while issac is no longer coming back and the ones stabbed and Alive still half to deal with the trauma this man caused. He is very guilty and seems to me he is insane.
Lol at thinking you can tell premeditation based on someone's face. Might as well charge everyone with conspiracy to commit murder 1 and then just show a picture of them not smiling.
i agree the girl was stabbed for no reason. How can they claim self defense when he attacked the girl who was simply talking to him…and the boys reacted because Miu got violent again but probably didnt notice the knife he had tucked under his arm
you do realize he punched the girl in the head first and that's the reason they pushed him down and slapped them. Then this miserable cowardly psycho starts stabbing everyone. Not too mention he ran up on them aggressively and then makes the first physical act.
When did we see the video from the beginning to the end...none stop? Would you still say the same if it was your child that was brutally sliced? Would you be witness for the defendant against your child since the accused is innocent?
For Nicky to say he's a frail old man is ridiculous. He gave no effs about being old his surgery nothing when he killed he did it intentionally and fast
If he is claiming "self defense" he def shouldn't of lied his azz off to police. I think he will get some charges, not first degree. Some of the ppl stabbed were not threatening his life, they were just near him when he got poke happy.
it's all the losers that identify with his creepiness and sees themselves in him so they're so desperate to see him get off. like lol try again, GUILTY !
But he was only at a one on the anger scale, that day. He drank only “two beer” and never goes over one on the anger scale. But ohhh, ten on the fear scale! Good Grief!! 🙄🤦♀️
But you're trying to make a claim whether he's a Noble or dishonest saint.. if anything you should question the boys. They started this and if you're looking at an old coot outnumbered 13 to 1 who just had quadruple bypass surgery.. your empathy is misplaced
Remember he had a mini stroke before his open heart surgery people will often have a bit of paralysis, which will give that illusion if you didn’t know
@@nathan8227 Correct. The mind boggles anybody can justify what that crazed psycho did to them kids. His ego was hurt by some kids calling him a pervert so that means he can start carving them up. So wrong! RIP Isaac 🙏
The prosecutor nailed the rebuttal. He stepped all over the defense for trying to make people believe the kids deserved what they got. That defense lawyer is one sick puppy.
Guilty , very guilty and ive watched this whole trial , He could of walked away & did ,but came back . If this was in TEXAS and I was on that jury, im 58yrs old . He would get the death penalty. Even lied to police in the police car , walked away after killing the 17yr old, disnbowled another young man, punched a young lady in her face , slashed another young lady . Because he is a narcissist and liar . GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS !!
I'm in Texas also. All my friends and family think he innocent of any wrongdoing. Even if he did it just cause he was mad we still think it's justified. So don't try and speak for Texas you crybaby
@@dd-ho7bm people like you , is the reason are country is so messed up , bully someone else , I'm not Disturbed , I lost my 19 yr old daughter, I know how it feels to lose a child due to a narrassist. You have some growing up to do. Look at the likes at my comment, But I'm crazy . Grow up !
Guilty and fos! He tried to lie and act like he wasnt there and he even admitted he lied ! Dude is weird af and so are all the people denfending him Edit: found guilty! now deal with it all you saying its self defense! lol yall tried it!
I'm not weird for defending the self defending guy .. hope kids and parents learned you can't be intoxicated and start a fight especially on the river .. are parents proud
@@sherryscarabino255The weird guy was also drinking did ya know that? That also should be put into the equation, however he started it and he should have never pulled his knife out! Those teens did not deserve that!😢
100% As avid water adventurers we always stay to ourselves. Everyone should do the same. We always assume people are armed or have a weapon. Never underestimate what a person will do to protect their own life or their family and friends lives.
He didn't have to give the knife to the police. He needed to talk to noone bu,t his attorney. He was provoked, reacted in fear and then panicked afterwards. He was there searching for something, they were there tormenting for fun.
@@jillianrose3288 He is the one that was bulling the kids, they were keep asking him to go away, to leave them alone. Plus, he wasn’t been a good friend whenever he went to the kids, his friend Ariel already told him that he didn’t care about his phone, because the insurance covered the lost. The bully went toward them looking for trouble.
@@tullmeisterwell as my sweet Daddy use to say poke the BULL and you’ll get the horns!! I personally would have definitely fought with everything and anything I could to save my life from a BUNCH OF DRUNK HIGH ON DRUG THUGS !! Where was the Queen of the River Madison at ? She was too much of a coward to testify in court !! She should definitely be charged for assault.. just my opinion
The cops lied to Miu when he asked for an attorney. They told him he had to wait over the weekend and proceeded to ask him questions. He never got his miranda rights either. This case was bogus. Some spazz trying to grandstand to his pack fell into a knife while trying to push an old man into the river.
They should have investigated more into the mans psych and emotional history for a better background on him. Lots of psychos have no rap sheet till they get caught killing
@@alanboody7004 What’s happened in his past has no relevance as to whether this was self defense. But to answer your question, he’s never be even had a parking ticket. He’s a highly educated engineer who speaks 5 languages. He’s an upstanding citizen, especially compared to the drunken lowlifes who were hassling him and attacking him, just for the fun of it.
Alcohol fueled paranoia regarding his friends phone. He grabbed the teenagers floating tube without explanation because his alcohol infused paranoia told him that one of the teenagers had his friends phone.
None of that matters in a court of law. What matters is who was attacking who and who defended themselves. The video speaks louder than anyone's testimony.
@@hopeausbyn1734 yup, it's all the people that think that telling someone to leave their space over and over and then when he put his hands on them first they start shoving him away warrants him stabbing multiple people, killing one with a knife through two ribs straight through his heart, and disemboweling another is appropriate response? lethal self defense doesnt work if you had the opportunity to safely retreat over and over but just refuse to do so. he clearly wasnt that scared considering he hung around after being told to leave their space and readied his knife before anyone even touched him
I pray they convict him and send him to jail for a long time: he repeated constantly that he wanted to stand his ground and he ran up to these young people and stabbed 5 of them killing Isaac. I wouldn’t want to meet him cause he has no remorse of what he did. GUILTY=JAIL
Drunk and High, Drunk AND High. High and Drunk. Who knows if they were on fenty or meth also? These are people who demonstrate terrible decision making and poor self control at every turn. Why do I feel like you've spent years making excuses for kids with substance abuse problems?
Insanity would have been a better defense. Not retreating, Lying to police, the use of a lethal weapon against name calling. His “self snitching “ lies , guilty!
What people really need to recognize is that this was an adult man, not some poor decrepit elderly person who barely spoke English, but affluence intelligent adult male approximately the same age as the fathers of these children. This would put him into the position of being the person that makes the adult decisions in this situation. Truly all he had to do was walk away but instead he chose to physically aggress upon these kids. Doing so is what caused them to call for other people to help. Enter into the seen some barely adults. The first person he physically assaulted with someone who had just entered the scene and was telling him to do exactly what he needed to do, which was walk away. Why is the 22-year-old more mature than the 53-year-old? Whatever justified him to punch this woman in the face? Absolutely nothing, but that is the thing that sparked the rest of the physical confrontation. Notes, he already had the knife in his hand. Contemplating whether or not he was going to stab this woman or punch her. He chose to punch her and then stab a different woman. The methods that he used to stab these people and gut two of them we're not impromptu. It takes force, rage, and effort to stab someone deeply and for that matter to gut someone with a tiny knife. He then ran off and tried to cover up his crimes. He was calm when police met him. He was not nervous, nor did he show any remorse or upset that he had harmed other people. Most people who do that in self-defense feel very bad about it. Most people who act in self-defense are very honest with the police and everyone around them. He ran off, put on a disguise, and tried to sneak out and escape accountability. He then lied to police with a straight face and a calm demeanor like a total psychopath. Do I like the kids behavior in this situation? No, but none of them committed any executable offense. They were kids and he was an adult and he decided he wanted to hurt people that day. He deserves consequences. I have a feeling he's gotten away with a lot of harming others
Yea he is a weirdo for real! Dude had many opportunities to leave. He wanted to thump his chest and stand his ground but it wasn't his space he came down river to them. He is so strange
@@kamivenus753oh shut da fk up..he's weird cuz he wanted to defend himself?? Those kids couldv left to so why didn't the kids leave if he was soooo weird?? He didn't have to leave just cuz those kids were harassing him
This lawyer's brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. I remember this closing, many months after hearing it, and I'll remember some sentences YEARS from now. That's what's known as effective.
If they let him off without 1st degree murder its a miscarriage of justice to Isaac, AJ , Madeleine & whomever else he struck. He's guilty on all counts!
Agreed, at first I felt bad for him but as i watched each video of the encounter it made me think this guy is a nut job. He didn't even speak not one word to those teenagers during the incident that tells u the devil was inside of him that day. Issac deserves justice along with all the people who where stabbed. Can u imagine your guts hanging out of u all while this wacko is slowly walking away . Not even helping these teens get medical help. This dude should not be out on the streets
@@Bluemoonbeach why would try and engage in a conversation with a bunch or young men yelling at you. All teenage males in the group would have been old enough to serve in the military during WW2
He certainly is bizarre, a bizarre creep He's also unpredictable and a danger to anyone he perceives as weaker than himself, he's a dangerous bully and deserves to be sent to prison
@@kevin.afton_ And here we can see the underbelly of those who would support the likes of the lying murderer. What in the name of time would get in to someone to cause them to speak to another person on the internet who was just speaking their own mind? Bully??
You should watch the entire trial especially when the prosecution moves slide by slide through the videos. He could have walked away Several times yet he didn't. In fact he rushed the boys on the tubes. He never should have approached the women and when they told him to go, it was the best advice he'd hear in his lifetime. Instead he shoved Maddie escalating the entire situation. In my mind he was just waiting for the opportunity to stab these people who were insulting him. Were they total as*holes, yep for sure but it never needed to get to the point it did. Kids have no common sense when drinking in groups and you're best to avoid them when things start turning.
@@Sam4got Nic Miu is on trial, not the individuals he attacked. He was read his Miranda rights before he provided a false account of the incident - threatened by two people carrying knives, his pants were pulled down, his property was taken, etc.
He's not on trial for impeding an investigation or falsifying information. It's a murder trial with video evidence. He could even claim he feels he's guilty and still be found innocent.
Guilty of self defense 100% Those teens are the same type of teens that get schools shot up. The exact same ones. They’re ass holes and their parents enable & allow it & everyone excuses it and it’s gross. I hope they learn from this because they’re absolutely responsible. It’s ridiculous that they can lie about everything yet nobody is upset about that. Isaac shouldn’t have choked him. He was surrounded by a dozen people all screaming at him, not taking turns so he could take notes. Of course he lied because he knows that the “culture” demonizes older white men, that is the MO.
@@AZDESERT2024 Well, 1. don't talk to the police, because 2. it was used against him. And successfully so, no "self defense" here, dude is now a convicted murderer.
Exactly Miu chose violence instead of backing up and leaving the scene! I am so chocked to see how these young people suffered with the terrible wounds he caused them both physically and mentally: and he was leaving the scene without even going back to help the people he wounded: the young people had no chance with him HE HAD A WEAPON
@@teeheehee4494Mui literally said himself “kids being kids”… those videos of him talking to the cops and detectives will send him to jail.. innocent people tell the truth.. guilty people act clueless and lie
if only 911: What's your emergency? Miu: Yes, hi, I'm at the Apple River with my friends and one my friends lost his phone. I went looking for it and a group of teens.They are harassing me. I don't feel safe. I think also one of them might have the phone too. 911: OK what's your location. Miu: By the bridge on the Apple River. 911: Can I get your Name Miu: Nicolae Miu 911: Just stay with your group. Do not approach the teens. We will have an officer come by. People, this is what you do. I'm a little bid older than Miu. No winners here. Just call the police.
So sad how peoples egos are so inflated they refuse to back down. And reading the comments, Mr. Miu is not unique in his feelings, many people are willing to murder, for a perceived slight.
He’s not on trial for lying. The video evidence and hours of witness testimony is what shows if he’s guilty or not. So he’s responsible for his choices, but these kids aren’t? He’s weird, but some random lady running up to scream in a person’s face and grab them is fine?
Lawyer here. His lies are relevant to the issue of whether he subjectively believed his life was in danger. The fact that he lied shows that he knew his acts were likely wrong. He had to paint the boys out to be scarier to him than they actually were to justify why he claims to have feared them.
@@NoName-eq4fcthats just his perception and coping/justification mechanism. He can feel guilty. Did he have reasonable fear of death when he defended himself?
That supposedly started the mob aggressions and yet she deleted the pictures of her 'injury' ( destroyed evidence) that she should have been proud of to defend their mob actions against Miu.
@@wtl2247Maybe because the injury didn't show, which might have led to a not guilty verdict. People can be struck in the face, without an injury showing.
Woah, the prosecutor says the "boys" aren't responsible. First of all they are not "boys". Second they are directly respinsible for their actions. Third Jiwohan did not come across remorseful at all.
@@UzeUrBrain if you watch the trial from beginning to end, you’d say he’s guilty of the lesser charge of intentional homicide. When I first saw the raw video, i said self defense. But I changed my mind after seeing everything in its entirety.
Miu started it when he made up his mind the drunk teenagers stole his friend's phone and he was going to go "investigate" them by lurking around under their rafts with his snorkel and goggles like a weirdo.
They recited what they thought they saw from two years before. He completely fabricated everything that happened a couple hours after to a detective during an interrogation. There's a HUGE f'n difference and you know this.
He's not on trial for impeding an investigation or falsifying information. It's a murder trial with video evidence. He could even claim he feels he's guilty and still be found innocent.
Did they ever have the Queen submit to a BAC test. How drunk was she. Did she have a reputation of acting like an aggressive Karen on other occasions when drunk?
All he had to do was not hit her. He didn't like a female telling him what to do. It's European masculinity on display. He sees women as 2nd class citizens. He lied
We are not, people have different experiences, and see things differently. But we need to show people when the laws of our great Country have been properly used to convict a criminal.
Mui is to blame for him being convicted guilty.. those videos of him lying to cops and detectives set his faith… had he just told the truth and said he was protecting himself there wouldn’t be a trial and he would be free but he knew what he did was criminal and so he lied, lied and lied some more
He's not on trial for impeding an investigation or falsifying information. It's a murder trial with video evidence. He could even claim he feels he's guilty and still be found innocent.
Let's be clear here. He didn't have to turn around and re-approach those people. He didn't have to brandish a deadly weapon. He could have tried to leave. He never did. He pulled a knife and held it by his side, and stood there. He waited. He didn't run. Self defense goes out the window. That being said, in the video, it seems like Miu was in actual danger for his life twice. But considering the above, he didn't need to be in either situation. 1. When he was first punched into the water and then struck again, and stood over. 2. After they were pushing him into the water from behind his back when he was already down. I'd think second degree murder is more accurate here, but not first. Brandishing the knife and standing still instead of running implies he intended to do great harm, but this doesn't look pre-meditated, unless we are arguing that his pre-meditation is within about 10-20 seconds of the incident.
@lupitajohnson1526 You're probably a little slow. You wouldn't have his reaction without their actions. I doubt he would have just stabbed someone for absolutely no reason.
Regardless of Miu's lying I think he will walk. The defence I think put on a stronger case and the video evidence actually does more harm as it proved Miu was being bullied and tormented. I am not excusing Miu as I too see that darkness the lies within him.
You obviously didn't watch all the tapes. He went after them LOOKING for trouble. It's not ambiguous. He had plenty of opportunity to leave them alone but he was getting his jollies off.
also told him to leave as he is clearly acting suspicious in the video. Any family would be like wtf is this guy doing touchinng our tubes”. This all ends up to him concealing the knife by holding it close to his body after the first altercation and then attacks the girl which provoked the 2nd altercation from the already suspicious boys. They were simply defending the girl Miu was talking to…
Did you not even watch the video? How about the trial? Miu did, in fact, wave to his group for help. Also- who cares if he didn't? That's not necessary. The group of people attacked him. Physically beat him. Clearly self defense.
Sorry prosecution, while you were less than professional when presenting your case, your closing statement made me realize that you're not interested in truth.
To the people who are blaming the teens. THIS TRAGEDY STARTED WHEN THIS MURDERER TOLD THE TEENS " IM LOOKING FOR LITTLE GIRLS" IF THAT MURDERER DID NOT TOUCH, GRABB OR STOP THE TUBES A YOUNG MAN WOULD NOT BE DEAD AND NUMEROUS OTHERS WOULDN'T OF BEEN INJURED.
So let me get this straight....in your mind it's OK to beat and drown a old man simply for touching a rubber tube.....but not ok to use force after being assaulted repeatedly by a group????
There is no actual evidence of this spontaneous claim, one which he did not include in his initial report to police. This young guy thought he could stir everybody up, which he did, for something to post. Even as the older man is being attacked, he is laughing, so satisfied with himself. Taking no responsibility for this entire situation. What I know about actual sex offenders, I am a retired psychologist, is that they are typically smart enough not to broadcast this. How come no one asked if he was telling the truth at all? He is the asshole in all of this. No one should have been stabbed but this man created a false drama so here would be justification for his plan, which was to get his mob of friends to attack the older man. No remorse. Psychopath.
@@Jay-gh4zlyou can’t argue logic with these people lol. They form an opinion with their own personal mental gymnastics and no amount of evidence can sway them.
This man was slapped twice he wasn't beaten and drowned grow up and by the way he walked away once turned around after being called a mean name smh yall are wild this man is unhinged he lied and threw his knife if he was in fear for his life he wouldn't have lied nor would he have been smiling in the video yall are delusional he will be found guilty for at least the death of Issac
@@theskyisfalling_9012 why so triggered? Both our comments were pointing out OP’s flawed logic. You’re just assuming shit and sound completely unhinged lol
I don't know why all these foreigners have to bring there knife carrying culture into the country back in my parents early days 1930s a murder or stabbing was so rare , it hit front page ! Even panicked people > hope the killer doesn't come our way ? Now it's so common it hardly gets a mention!
Then I'm guessing you will be mad when he's found Not guilty According to the LAW. The law which absolutely allows a person to Defend themselves when being attacked!!
The legal concept of "consciousness of guilt" is amply exhibited by Defendant. Washing blood off the murder weapon before throwing it into bushes on the opposite side of the river, immediately adding disguise of a shirt, hat and sunglasses before attempting to drive away from the crime scene are a few prominent indicators of "consciouness of guilt".
No it isn't. He left the river dressed the same way as when he went in. Wanting to have nothing further to do with the knife is also not convincing. If he REALLY wanted to hide the knife, he could have removed it from the river, or buried it. Throwing it on the river bank makes it EASIER to find later. A person in shock can to lots of things that we don't understand.
@judisullivan3047 No blue here. But you should try learning self-defense. I teach it. This is a commie sham of a trial. Blowing tax dollars because people got really dumb. People raised dumb kids want to get away with being dumb. It's amazing
@judisullivan3047 I have too much common sense and decency to be a prosecutor. Why I'm a master carpenter building for the rich that deserve it. Watching people feel bad for kids that didnt have proper upbringing shameful.
I cannot believe this state even brought this case.It's ridiculous, this guy is not guilty?It was self-defense plain and simple.Anyone who sees the video could understand that
He was convinced they stole the phone and wasn't going to let it go. He took the knife to confront them. He had a plan to head toward them, that's why Mr. Williams tried to discourage it.
@SunFlower-sf1go Looks like maybe the jury figured it out too. I'm a good deal older than Miu, I also see the point that he was in THEIR space. Yeah, they were obnoxious, but if they thought he was just some pervy guy, I wouldn't expect them to say welcome aboard. Alcohol on both sides clouded perceptions.
This guy really said nobody laid a hand on him until he stabbed multiple people!?!? The video clearly shows many of them putting their hands on him, punching and pushing him. The kid who died was choking him then got stabbed.
@jaynestewart-js6by You're a monster if you, like Miu, are too ignorant to understand the concept of "sticks and stones." Nobody laid a hand on him until after he had already started attacking people. Idiots like you who can't separate your feelings from your actions are always going to be a detriment to society.
Props to the prosecutor for telling it like it is! It makes me sick clueless people are still defending this egotistical and depraved murderer. I feel so bad for these kids, and the fact their friend died is even more sad. RIP Isaac Schuman. 🙏 None of them deserved this, and the ones who survived will likely be traumatized for life. It was unnerving watching the actual video. Its hard to imagine any human could be so evil. Miu had nothing but hatred and contempt for humanity in his completely hollow heart and it shows. He's going to prison for the rest of his life and he knows it.
@@user-Do4kl9rs4x You don't have a right to stab and murder people because they called you a name you dont like. Your argument is pure trash. We build prisons just for people like yourself who think this is acceptable. Your defense of a depraved murderer is sickening. They did not follow Miu either, he repeatedly harassed them, refused to leave them alone, then he charged at them. The group of kids never touched him until after he began stabbing people. He had the knife in his hand when they threw him down in the water, the prosecutor just clarified that in this very video you're lying about; and the defense never objected.
@@user-Do4kl9rs4x Stop lying. Miu harassed, threatened, stalked, and assaulted them first! Its all caught on video. He was just found guilty and he's headed to prison for life. No one put a hand on Miu until after he assaulted several people, including hitting that girl in the face. The group of kids he stabbed never put a hand on him until he started stabbing people, the video evidence doesnt lie the way you do. They begged him to go away. He left, came back with a knife! He then tried to hide the knife, lied to the cops about what happened, claimed he wasn't involved at all.
I was disgusted when this guy said "Maybe the world would be a better place if more people [acted like these self-deceiving violent drunks]" - over the top attempt at emotional manipulation reeks of desperation.
I think he was just referring to Madison, if we're thinking of the same comment. If not, my bad. But i agree that it certainly wasn't an effective point, considering that she clearly escalated the situation, no matter how you feel about Miu's actions.
A sad situation for him. I can see that he has suffered in the past two years. He lost considerable weight. Every man has a right to defend himself, agree. The group of teens were rude to him, all true. But if he wanted to protect his life, he should have walked away after the first contact with that group of teens. Nobody would have come after him. Instead he came on to them, and he was clearly out for revenge. Anger is a condition that can bring you in a lot of trouble fast, and in this case it may have destroyed his life.
I totally agree. I also think he takes issue with mouthy women and that was his last straw. I also wonder if he served in the Romanian services and learned tactical knife skills. He had so many opportunities to walk away. Then too, what's on that phone that was so important? Who snorkels in 10 inches of water and those bags are meant to float. It's just a damned phone. Something very strange about that story, doesn't sit right. Lastly, if I'm in a group and shit goes down and someone I'm with stabs multiple people, I'm not floating anywhere with that person. Not a person in his party stopped to speak with the police and they all knew something awful happened. I have a feeling he may delete himself.
@@cookingforme4711 i'm very suspicious of your motives here and unhealthy interest in other peoples business and their phones, i think the police should pay you a visit and check into your computers and phones and make sure you dont have something in there you dont want others to see, and you seem to know a lot about how to kill people with knives and what is involved in tactical training and so forth leading me to think you may be an agent of a foreign government sent here to do harm to others. your in depth knowledge of the romainian services is scary as well, i dont feel safe with people like you running free and making comments like this, i hope you are investigated.
Any normal person in that same situation would have come to the exact same response and defended themselves from an alcohol and drug raged violent mob. It’s irrelevant if he made things up afterwards, the video tells the truth.
The things he said afterwards are significant, not irrelevant. A normal person would have communicated their intentions more when approaching the boys, and when near them. Or would have walked away when a large group of people perceive you as a predator, and want you to go away. He could have looked for the phone after their group passed with their tubes
Nick is a Romanian and there people probably have different standards of roughness than in the US. Maybe a litle stabbing here and there would be overlooked in Romania. He will, sadly for himself, learn the hard way that he is no longer in Romania, but in the US.
In Romania self-defense may only be proportional by law. As soon as he pulled a knife and the kids didn't, it's intentional homicide without any leeway. This case wouldn't even be brought to trial as self-defense, only to a short sentencing hearing.
I’ve travelled extensively throughout Eastern Europe (including Romania) and it truly is a different world in regards for the sanctity of human life and attitudes necessary for simply being able to “get by” in life; especially comparing it to the Midwest USA.
The amount of ignorant people in this in this comment section is terrifying. Literally none of you have ever been in a fight. If you've never been bullied like this guy was bullied... THEN YOU WERE THE BULLY OR A COWARD.
The people amazed that he didn't announce to the hyenas that he had the knife. You can tell they've never been in a fight. He should announce it? That probably would have gotten him killed.
You are crazy! Listen to your words! Bullied? What is this middle school? He was lurking and grabbing at them because he just knew those teens had his friends phone and he was going to demand it back with his knife! He's a cold blooded killer who harassed some drunken high schools kids on a river. What about their rights? They were innocent and didn't have the phone! He started this all.
Hey kids, yeah he lied to the police. But he has no duty to retreat. Madison Coen is not the owner of the river. He probably didn't know that. he was petrified and I don't blame him. They weren't boys either. They were young adults. When I think of boys I think of 12 year olds. Miu was insulted, we can all agree. But what started it was the **** of the river who BOTH touched him physically and pushed him.
He had help coming from the other group but their help changed when he produced the knife. It’s his own fault. If every coming of age group of boys drinking ended up with an angry adult murdering and wounding them then they might have not been so naive.
@@nicolecooper3112a knife is dangerous, but it's not a force balancer when you're defending against a football team. An AK47 doesn't even balance the scales at that range.
@@Teeveepicksures we still don't know they wouldn't have drowned him if he hadn't defended. Mobs of youth do this kind of things frequently, and this is hardly the first time violence has broken out on the apple river.
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Hes not a skilled liar. Hes actually horrible at it.
And I thought Trump was an unskilled liar. 🤣
all the witnesses lied on the stand.
What you think Bidens family is not liars??? Cmon now you brainwashed all politicians are liars or are you not paying attention in life???
He’s guilty and Trump won.
Lol it's true
The fact that he refused to walk away when he had plenty of opportunity and people were telling him to leave tells me he stayed, because he was ANGRY, not fearful.
Everyone that believes he was fearful refuses to explain that part other than, "he didn't have to leave." If you're fearful in a situation and you have the chance to leave you're leaving. You're not repeatedly turning your back on the teens you're fearful of.
The people that side with Miu here can't get past the defendant's framing, "old, feeble man got bullied by teens and defended himself," bs.
This guy wasn't feeble. He stabbed FIVE PEOPLE with zero injuries to himself. Someone's that feeble isn't doing that... wtf is wrong with you?
@@Anna-ww4pv Yet, he's the one claiming he was in fear, yet he didn't leave despite having plenty of chances. Instead, he stayed and took out a knife and even turned his back on the teens multiple times.
Instinctively, people don't turn their back on others unless they're running away.
Also, Miu proved he's a liar and that he'll lie about anything to get out of trouble, and even make things up completely.
The notion that citizens are subject to arbitrary orders from another is a tyrannical mindset.
Didn't they encircle him though? Like a pack of wolves
Why should he,it's a free River, and I believed if he hasn't walked away they would have continued to taunt him and possibly even drowned him
Hilarious that you think he has any obligation whatsoever to have to walk away, its a public area. What makes you think you have the right to gang up on anyone? Tell me when Miu was supposed to walk away? When these drunks were pushing him over and punching him in the face? All caught on camera too. These idiots fucked around and found out
'Avoiding Consequences " - basically says it all. He was determined to walk away from that river, and go home, never letting on that he was even involved in that incident. "What is going on, heard someone got stabbed", he said to the police officer.
He's not on trial for impeding an investigation or falsifying information. It's a murder trial with video evidence. He could even claim he feels he's guilty and still be found innocent.
None of that matters regarding self defense.
@@glenforde6558Yes it does. But, you can’t run up on people touch them provoke them then claim self defense.
@@CKing-388 except, the video shows none of that happened. He told them he was looking for his goggles by the inner tubes.
@@glenforde6558 He physically stopped them by touching them. Which is assault in and of itself. Then he hit a woman. Which again is assault. You can’t provoke an altercation then claim self defense.
Can't be said enough, this guy's rebuttal won the case
His actions after the stabbings do not match what his lawyers have constructed for him now. He had to lie about the knife because he knew he was wrong.
He was already in jail when he was interrogated. He was scared so he lied . Why was he in jail to begin with ? Did you watch the video ? How can you defend these horrible teenagers after seeing them bully and attack him ?
he was in jail for stabbing multiple people. How can you defend this convicted murder
@@Fatguylittlecoat1996
All he had to do is walk away.
@@todddanforth8853 He did. They followed him.
@@Fatguylittlecoat1996 He disguised himself when he left the scene. He threw away the knife at the scene. He was caught at the spot where the tubers would leave the river, ~ at some park. Google "Video of Nick Mui in police cruiser". He was NOT at the jail when the lies began. He is as guilty as sin.
Before he knew there was a video, he tried to lie and say he wasn't even there.
lol The 'children' _knew_ about the video and _they_ lied about it too. Soooo...
Doesn’t matter. Cope. You identify with those punks so you defend that behavior
@@undercoveragent9889 evil person discovered. go back to your hole.
For an odd, introverted immigrant engineer, he did a very unintelligent thing talking to police. Something serious and you are a suspect YOU NEVER TALK TO POLICE, Badged State Investigators, YOU NEVER TALK TO FEDERAL AGENTS. AND YOU ESPECIALLY NEVER TALK IF YOU ARE INNOCENT.
Had Miu been black, he would not have been charged.
Had Miu not concealed the knife, not lied to police, the investigator, the forensic nurse he would not have had angry to be lied at state DA's office throw him in jail for two years on a self defense case.
@@1chrisfordnot really that clear cut. Maybe if he pulled the knife on the 1st altercation. But the second altercation after everybody appeared to calmdown , he had his knife ready , clearly in the video And then attacks the girl who was speaking to him. Which is what proviked the kids to attack. This case could also be seen from the kids perspective as self defense. Only reason Miu is getting the piss. Is because he decided to use a lethal weapon. Instead of just explaining what he was doing “hey guys im looking for a phone”, nope. Instead he just touches their stuff , probably touched the kids while looking for the phone. imagine your family in that position a scraggly looking guy without explanation touching ur stuff and friends and not saying anything would think it suspicious and you would probably react with physical force
This rebuttal was a master stroke. I'm so gratified that he was found guilty. I was hoping he would be convicted of murder, but I'm not surprised that 12 people wouldn't agree to that. Had I been on the jury I would've spent a lot of time trying to convince the holdouts that the case for at least 2nd degree murder had been proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
The people defending him seem to be callous and damaged people. It's a real sign of a sick society that so many people would defend him.
I also believe it should have been premeditated murder. It was testified, by HIS own group, that he went back to his group at least once. I believe that he went back to fetch that knife and that is what makes it premeditated. I also believe that you are absolutely right with respect to those who defend him being damaged people. How else could they relish in the death of a 17-year old boy? They fell for the defense attorney's lies as well. Not able to see the truth of things with their own eyes. Those who took the stand, with the exception of Mui, DID tell the truth of what they saw that day. They all admitted that they were wrong in taunting the creature and they all admitted that they should not have done that. They admitted their short comings in the action. NO LIES...it was two years ago and they had gone through a horrible tragedy. Mui did nothing but lie through his teeth and kept blaming the victims.
@@marymac789I agree with almost everything you said. I disagree with calling those that only watched the video as being callous, you can get a soft spot for someone that is older, that is being verbally attacked by teens, and some people really latch onto a stand your ground defense, they don't believe in just walking away from trouble, or trying to deescalate with words.
The problem with people not using words, de-escalating, or walking away, if we have too many people that have a first instinct of 'standing my ground', we are then likely to see a lot more murders.
I could have stood my ground murdered people many times in my past, but I chose to either walk away, or to de-escalate with words. I am sure that is true for many people, and it's kept us out of prison.
@@marymac789Mui does look like a creepy pedo though. His actions were bizarre, so I can see why the group was calling g him names a d asking him to F off. Curious if Mui ever killed someone with a knife before because he seemed to relish in it and did serious damage each blow.
That man was not afraid. When he had that knife in his hand and no one knew it he had glee in his eyes. He was enjoying himself. Sick, sick man.
Yes he did appear to be enjoying himself immensely, I think his family knows he is a predator.
He rubbed that knife through his shorts, sorta like psychopath.
He was a psychopath, no doubt, looked like he was having a orgasm before he punched her.
@@bluefenixalchemy7this man is a veteran, an intelligent mechanical engineer with multiple degrees, and was a life long law abiding citizen with not one speeding ticket, not a single slight. That is until he cut the guts out of these young people. He has tried too hard to be perfect and In the end, he’s apparently a psychopath. The nicest, most put together people are, IMO, the worst behind closed doors. Why didn’t his friends or wife speak up? Bc they’re scared of him also.
@@bluefenixalchemy7 that's a really gay thing to say.
Miu was surrounded by a drunk and high mob and defended himself. Isaac's hands were on his neck when he got stabbed. Isaac bac .22
After stabbing someone in back you can’t claim self defence. After stabbing he left scene , threw away knife , when police confronted him he said kids were fighting down there pretending to know nothing , he said kids had knifes another lie.
Who…got stabbed in the back??
Yeah- he said and did weird things after.
Doesn't matter in the least. We have the video of what happened.
Did it occur to you that the blow to the head affected his memory?
@@UzeUrBrain it absolutely matters.
@@l-train7876 Tony
@@UzeUrBrainthe nurse had a tough time trying to find anything except those from being on his knees on the stones using his snorkel. He even told her that. No bump on his head at all. You definitely need to do your homework on medical causations.
NEVER MAKE A STATEMENT TO POLICE
This man was not scared he snapped! Utter disregard for human life! Guilty on all counts! This man will go to jail today, mark my words.
How about the bullies disregard for human life? These kids are f'd up for starting this situation. Are you an entitled a$$hole too?
I hope so, he shouldn't be free on the streets to hurt others. Also I'd like to see his wife's medical history. I bet he's got a long history of physical abuse?
@@australianwoman9696 it’s no coincidence she divorced him after this incident.
They have been marked.
@@TheEvilQueenHasSpoken 😝
This prosecutor is so much better than the other one-I'm glad he did the closing rebuttal.
The prosecutor is a moron
YES!!! The other guy is about as interesting as a loaf of bread
His interogation says everything about who this "man" is
Yea, innocent
@@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971nah man things appeared to have cooled down and then he provoked a reaction out of the kids while he had the knife ready by attacking the girl. He knew the kids would attsck him again if he assaulted the women. Very premeditated
@@lukeGGlee they chased him down, video shows that, they surrounded him, he was assaulted and he defended himself. He pushed a girl who was touched him. You identify with the drunk teens, that’s why you’re upset. Stop being a fool. You didn’t watch the video or testimonies. You’re ignorant
@@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971 nope
@@rarenathan please explain little kid
Thought it odd Miu continually didn't remember a lot but only spoke about how he was "feeling"
Probably a strategy with his lawyer. Every trial is like a chess game and you decide your strategy
Why would that be odd?
We can all SEE what he did. the entire point of his testimony is to know WHY/how he felt.
He's kinesthetic.
That was an incredibly traumatic situation. His initial lies didn't seem suspicious, he seemed like a really traumatized individual, likely afraid that he wouldn't be treated fairlyl, and it turns out he hasn't been treated fairly.
He claims absolutely no anger though. The whole time he was never angered. I guess he is right. He wasn't angry, he was enraged!
Miu went past self defense. He did not have to stab 5 people to defend himself.
so it was kinda self defence?
Something else happened because there was 2 knives
Wrong. The keep coming after him. Those men were the aggressors
@@sunnyshine4621 There was one knife, are you miu? lol.
@yGcH7 the law doesn't work that way. It is or it is not.
If the video wasn't available he would have sowed seed the doubt
Only a fool would have believed even one word that came from it's mouth. His testimony was filled with contradictions as well as the police interrogation on that day. ALL of those involved, as well as witnesses, were questioned on the day of the murders. No one had time to get together to corroborate their stories. The way he spoke to the police officer from the police cruiser that day made my blood go cold. People are saying that HE was in shock and giving all sorts of excuses for him. Nonsense.
@@marymac789 That's how I feel about all those lowlife "children".
Unlikely - there were far far too many witnesses.
the video gave them the means to claim false narratives ( claiming the teens behaviour was in some way threatening, grossly exaggerating the extent to the which he was attacked, would not have conveniently caught everything except the start of the attack ect )
Miu is guilty - having your ego hurt doesn't justify gutting people
Exactly right
I'm so sick of the thousands of comments blaming the kids, and saying if they hadn't taunted him nothing would have happened. That could be true, but it doesn't make them guilty, and it doesn't make Miu innocent either. It's mind-boggling the people saying the kids should be facing attempted murder on him. He is guilty of murder 100%.
Provoking a man to rage by bullying him and calling him a rapist and hitting him from all sides and pushing him down into the water and choking him doesn't make the victim a cold blooded killer who committed premeditated murder. That's just insane.
Amen !
No, but being pushed and punched by multiple people does.
Pulling the pants down lie was a really sick one to invent and shows the extent and depth of Miu’s mental derangement and detachment from reality. It also shows that predatory thoughts were top of mind for him. He will be in good company in prison with the other child murderers.
Justice for Dante, Tony, Madison, Rhylie, and Quinton who suffered greatly mentally due to having both sons stabbed, and was a true and Good Samaritan. Quinton, I hope you and your family see this comment one day. AJ, I am so sorry for the injuries and so grateful that you survived. you are a well spoken and kind person. To Iaac’s parents, there are no words to describe the horrific loss of your beautiful 17 year old son. My heart aches for you.
Good lord, you're sick.
Almost as sick as calling someone a raper.
@@BabyShark-kd9jlAnyone that would call this person sick, might be sick.
The look in his eyes when Madison was yelling at him was pure evil. It was in that moment that he was secretly pulling out his knife. Totally premeditated. He needs to go away for life without parole.
He didn't even say a word the entire time of the encounter. He is very weird and was looking for a fight that Day. Unfortunately if he is found not guilty the teen who was killed and the teens who was stabbed that Day will half to suffer even more knowing he is still out on the streets. Also if he is found not guilty Miu will not half to pay any price for the stabbing all while issac is no longer coming back and the ones stabbed and Alive still half to deal with the trauma this man caused. He is very guilty and seems to me he is insane.
Lol at thinking you can tell premeditation based on someone's face. Might as well charge everyone with conspiracy to commit murder 1 and then just show a picture of them not smiling.
i agree the girl was stabbed for no reason. How can they claim self defense when he attacked the girl who was simply talking to him…and the boys reacted because Miu got violent again but probably didnt notice the knife he had tucked under his arm
That makes her great woman
Everyone should be charge here
VIDEO DOES NOT LIE.
all the witnesses committed perjury on the stand.
you do realize he punched the girl in the head first and that's the reason they pushed him down and slapped them. Then this miserable cowardly psycho starts stabbing everyone. Not too mention he ran up on them aggressively and then makes the first physical act.
No, they didn’t. They told what happened from their memories. Memory isn’t a video. That’s why we need videos.
Including the murderer. 🤣
When did we see the video from the beginning to the end...none stop? Would you still say the same if it was your child that was brutally sliced? Would you be witness for the defendant against your child since the accused is innocent?
No they didnt but mui lied the day of the incident and when interigated by police. Please research the entire story
He was angry not scared. Pure evil what He did.
No one deserved what he did. God bless all those injured&traumatized.
I'm convinced the people on his side are bots.
LOL yeah, and those "kids" were regular angels and Boy Scouts.
For Nicky to say he's a frail old man is ridiculous. He gave no effs about being old his surgery nothing when he killed he did it intentionally and fast
If he is claiming "self defense" he def shouldn't of lied his azz off to police. I think he will get some charges, not first degree. Some of the ppl stabbed were not threatening his life, they were just near him when he got poke happy.
Miu is a CREEP through and through. Mind blowing the amount of people in these comments I see defending him. That is just as creepy.
I got out through the ringer for speaking out that he was in the wrong and is guilty
Well, he is guilty
it's all the losers that identify with his creepiness and sees themselves in him so they're so desperate to see him get off. like lol try again, GUILTY !
You could visibility see how easy Mui gets aggravated . During cross-examination, he was aggravated, turned red, and rude to the attorney.
He certainly looked liked he was controlling his anger. This was probably drilled into him.
The man is in poor health and has been locked up for two years and might spend his entire life in jail , what do expect him to look like ?
I am thankful he didn't go after the prosecutor
But he was only at a one on the anger scale, that day. He drank only “two beer” and never goes over one on the anger scale. But ohhh, ten on the fear scale! Good Grief!! 🙄🤦♀️
But you're trying to make a claim whether he's a Noble or dishonest saint.. if anything you should question the boys. They started this and if you're looking at an old coot outnumbered 13 to 1 who just had quadruple bypass surgery.. your empathy is misplaced
SINCE HE WAS SO SCARED THAT MURDERER COULD OF WALKED AWAY FROM THE RIVER AT ANY TIME HE WANTED TO.
And so couldv the dum@$$ kids who wouldn't leave him alone
so could the kids
They were literally pushing his head under the water.
@@MindsDozeryeah he literally gutted them as if they were anymals and stabbed him in the heart , get your priorities straight
@@oziequelque2057what would you do if you were being attacked?
When he took the knife out, the smirk became permanent.
Right!?! It was seriously creepy.
He stabbed a 90 pound girl who wasn't facing him or looking at him and his black shark eyes never showed a hint of emotion as he did it.
It was beyond a smirk.
Remember he had a mini stroke before his open heart surgery people will often have a bit of paralysis, which will give that illusion if you didn’t know
@@nathan8227 Correct. The mind boggles anybody can justify what that crazed psycho did to them kids. His ego was hurt by some kids calling him a pervert so that means he can start carving them up. So wrong! RIP Isaac 🙏
The prosecutor nailed the rebuttal. He stepped all over the defense for trying to make people believe the kids deserved what they got. That defense lawyer is one sick puppy.
One of them was the defence lawyer of Chauvin 🤡 that's all you need to know of his character
His taking his glasses off and on was nauseating.
To be fair, that's the only defense the lawyer can use. He's just doing his job. I don't fault him for that.
@@3goats1coatChauvin is a political prisoner....so....
But defense is good at what he does. Almost as good as OJ Simpsons!
Guilty , very guilty and ive watched this whole trial ,
He could of walked away & did ,but came back .
If this was in TEXAS and I was on that jury, im 58yrs old .
He would get the death penalty.
Even lied to police in the police car , walked away after killing the 17yr old, disnbowled another young man, punched a young lady in her face , slashed another young lady .
Because he is a narcissist and liar .
GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS !!
You're very disturbed.
You couldn't give him the death penalty with one vote wtf is wrong with you
They could have shut up and walked away.
I'm in Texas also. All my friends and family think he innocent of any wrongdoing. Even if he did it just cause he was mad we still think it's justified. So don't try and speak for Texas you crybaby
@@dd-ho7bm people like you , is the reason are country is so messed up , bully someone else , I'm not Disturbed , I lost my 19 yr old daughter, I know how it feels to lose a child due to a narrassist.
You have some growing up to do. Look at the likes at my comment,
But I'm crazy .
Grow up !
Guilty and fos! He tried to lie and act like he wasnt there and he even admitted he lied ! Dude is weird af and so are all the people denfending him
Edit: found guilty! now deal with it all you saying its self defense! lol yall tried it!
You obviously have kids and are biased toward rotten lying teens
I'm not weird for defending the self defending guy .. hope kids and parents learned you can't be intoxicated and start a fight especially on the river .. are parents proud
@@sherryscarabino255The weird guy was also drinking did ya know that? That also should be put into the equation, however he started it and he should have never pulled his knife out! Those teens did not deserve that!😢
NOT GUILTY
@@matthieuschmitter6676Exactly!👍
Stay in your group….never leave your clan to go bother others
Ok commie. I bet you love daddy government 😂
100% As avid water adventurers we always stay to ourselves. Everyone should do the same. We always assume people are armed or have a weapon. Never underestimate what a person will do to protect their own life or their family and friends lives.
He didn't have to give the knife to the police. He needed to talk to noone bu,t his attorney. He was provoked, reacted in fear and then panicked afterwards. He was there searching for something, they were there tormenting for fun.
He took a knife to a non knife fight ….. guilty
@@jillianrose3288 He is the one that was bulling the kids, they were keep asking him to go away, to leave them alone.
Plus, he wasn’t been a good friend whenever he went to the kids, his friend Ariel already told him that he didn’t care about his phone, because the insurance covered the lost.
The bully went toward them looking for trouble.
Every single witness for the prosecution lied. Not one single one of the bullies had the same story.
Or admitted to what we could see on camera ....
At least he did.
Mr Miu lied on the stand too! And apparently suffered from amnesia
How many of them stabbed 5 people, killed someone, and then fled and ditched evidence?
@tullmeister only the guy who got mobbed, and attacked. Dang, what a coincidence.
@@tullmeisterwell as my sweet Daddy use to say poke the BULL and you’ll get the horns!! I personally would have definitely fought with everything and anything I could to save my life from a BUNCH OF DRUNK HIGH ON DRUG THUGS !! Where was the Queen of the River Madison at ? She was too much of a coward to testify in court !! She should definitely be charged for assault.. just my opinion
He should have known better to talk to the Police before speaking to an attorney. I can understand why anymore does this….
Innocent people frequently do because they don’t have anything to hide.
The cops lied to Miu when he asked for an attorney. They told him he had to wait over the weekend and proceeded to ask him questions. He never got his miranda rights either. This case was bogus. Some spazz trying to grandstand to his pack fell into a knife while trying to push an old man into the river.
@@A-privilege-not.a-right yes, 5 people fell into a knife. 😂🤦🏼
Because meyhikans aren't that smart !
He asked to speak to an attorney multiple times. They ignored him at first and then told him he wouldn’t be able to speak to an attorney until Monday
This is as premeditated as it gets. Just because it happened within a short amount of time doesn't mean it's any less evil.
I believe he went back to get the knife .. why else would he lung at them
You are delusional
Do you know what premeditated means? lol
@@HarmlessComment Yes, it's where someone decides they're going to kill another person and puts a plan in motion.
Premeditation can be exactly how it happened Miu took out his knife and pushed/hit Maddie causing the physical reaction from Maddie's brother.
They should have investigated more into the mans psych and emotional history for a better background on him. Lots of psychos have no rap sheet till they get caught killing
It’s irrelevant.
I was thinking this as well. But, there must not be any history or the prosecution would have used it.
@@Treviso100 It's actually relevant.
@@alanboody7004 What’s happened in his past has no relevance as to whether this was self defense. But to answer your question, he’s never be even had a parking ticket. He’s a highly educated engineer who speaks 5 languages. He’s an upstanding citizen, especially compared to the drunken lowlifes who were hassling him and attacking him, just for the fun of it.
@@motherofcats2712 he’s never even had a parking ticket.
Alcohol fueled paranoia regarding his friends phone. He grabbed the teenagers floating tube without explanation because his alcohol infused paranoia told him that one of the teenagers had his friends phone.
None of that matters in a court of law. What matters is who was attacking who and who defended themselves. The video speaks louder than anyone's testimony.
That’s some narrative gymnastics going on there
@@ConstantGardener-q9qThe blind will not see.
Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
@@hopeausbyn1734 yup, it's all the people that think that telling someone to leave their space over and over and then when he put his hands on them first they start shoving him away warrants him stabbing multiple people, killing one with a knife through two ribs straight through his heart, and disemboweling another is appropriate response? lethal self defense doesnt work if you had the opportunity to safely retreat over and over but just refuse to do so. he clearly wasnt that scared considering he hung around after being told to leave their space and readied his knife before anyone even touched him
I pray they convict him and send him to jail for a long time: he repeated constantly that he wanted to stand his ground and he ran up to these young people and stabbed 5 of them killing Isaac. I wouldn’t want to meet him cause he has no remorse of what he did. GUILTY=JAIL
Drunk and High, Drunk AND High. High and Drunk. Who knows if they were on fenty or meth also? These are people who demonstrate terrible decision making and poor self control at every turn. Why do I feel like you've spent years making excuses for kids with substance abuse problems?
you do not have to obey the commands of random Karens on the river.
@@poboxchristmas380 he should obey the law.
@@teddyjam8134 yes and Karen's are not the law.
Insanity would have been a better defense. Not retreating, Lying to police, the use of a lethal weapon against name calling. His “self snitching “ lies , guilty!
yes he is guilty. but those are not "boys", and they were horrible and uncalled for by all of them.
Exactly he is nutso
Under 18 not adults
What people really need to recognize is that this was an adult man, not some poor decrepit elderly person who barely spoke English, but affluence intelligent adult male approximately the same age as the fathers of these children. This would put him into the position of being the person that makes the adult decisions in this situation.
Truly all he had to do was walk away but instead he chose to physically aggress upon these kids.
Doing so is what caused them to call for other people to help.
Enter into the seen some barely adults. The first person he physically assaulted with someone who had just entered the scene and was telling him to do exactly what he needed to do, which was walk away.
Why is the 22-year-old more mature than the 53-year-old?
Whatever justified him to punch this woman in the face? Absolutely nothing, but that is the thing that sparked the rest of the physical confrontation. Notes, he already had the knife in his hand. Contemplating whether or not he was going to stab this woman or punch her. He chose to punch her and then stab a different woman.
The methods that he used to stab these people and gut two of them we're not impromptu. It takes force, rage, and effort to stab someone deeply and for that matter to gut someone with a tiny knife.
He then ran off and tried to cover up his crimes. He was calm when police met him. He was not nervous, nor did he show any remorse or upset that he had harmed other people. Most people who do that in self-defense feel very bad about it. Most people who act in self-defense are very honest with the police and everyone around them.
He ran off, put on a disguise, and tried to sneak out and escape accountability. He then lied to police with a straight face and a calm demeanor like a total psychopath.
Do I like the kids behavior in this situation? No, but none of them committed any executable offense. They were kids and he was an adult and he decided he wanted to hurt people that day. He deserves consequences. I have a feeling he's gotten away with a lot of harming others
quadruple bypass surgery and is clearly way past physical and mental prime. Trying to use his age against him is hilarious.
I wish this prosecutor had done the whole closing argument
If he was innocent there is no need to lie. He is a bizarre person. Those kids didn’t deserve it. Humiliation is no excuse for murder
Yea he is a weirdo for real! Dude had many opportunities to leave. He wanted to thump his chest and stand his ground but it wasn't his space he came down river to them. He is so strange
@@kamivenus753oh shut da fk up..he's weird cuz he wanted to defend himself?? Those kids couldv left to so why didn't the kids leave if he was soooo weird?? He didn't have to leave just cuz those kids were harassing him
For real tho it’s crazy people take his side like the beginning of the video he is running after them
Lmfao
This lawyer's brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. I remember this closing, many months after hearing it, and I'll remember some sentences YEARS from now.
That's what's known as effective.
If they let him off without 1st degree murder its a miscarriage of justice to Isaac, AJ , Madeleine & whomever else he struck.
He's guilty on all counts!
Amen ✝️ 🙏 Guilty on all counts
Agree !
AJ could have easily died, but thanks to the Good Samaritans, he is alive
Agreed, at first I felt bad for him but as i watched each video of the encounter it made me think this guy is a nut job. He didn't even speak not one word to those teenagers during the incident that tells u the devil was inside of him that day. Issac deserves justice along with all the people who where stabbed. Can u imagine your guts hanging out of u all while this wacko is slowly walking away . Not even helping these teens get medical help. This dude should not be out on the streets
@@Bluemoonbeach why would try and engage in a conversation with a bunch or young men yelling at you. All teenage males in the group would have been old enough to serve in the military during WW2
He certainly is bizarre, a bizarre creep
He's also unpredictable and a danger to anyone he perceives as weaker than himself, he's a dangerous bully and deserves to be sent to prison
The same could be said about you.
@@kevin.afton_ And here we can see the underbelly of those who would support the likes of the lying murderer. What in the name of time would get in to someone to cause them to speak to another person on the internet who was just speaking their own mind? Bully??
The prosecutor told so many lies, unbelievable..... If you watched video, Miu surrounded by about 10 mocking people, pushing, hitting, etc.
You should watch the entire trial especially when the prosecution moves slide by slide through the videos. He could have walked away Several times yet he didn't. In fact he rushed the boys on the tubes. He never should have approached the women and when they told him to go, it was the best advice he'd hear in his lifetime. Instead he shoved Maddie escalating the entire situation. In my mind he was just waiting for the opportunity to stab these people who were insulting him. Were they total as*holes, yep for sure but it never needed to get to the point it did. Kids have no common sense when drinking in groups and you're best to avoid them when things start turning.
@@cookingforme4711 absolutely true!! How do people defend him?!
NOT in the videos I saw!! NOTHING behind him
Nic Miu is guilty. What's troubling is the number of folks who consider his actions just and his lies dismissible.
you friends with his attackers or just blind?
The thing is- if you go after one person lying then they have to drag all the witnesses for lying as well.
@@justaguy-69 : Are you friends with Nic Miu or being led by your confirmation bias?
@@Sam4got Nic Miu is on trial, not the individuals he attacked. He was read his Miranda rights before he provided a false account of the incident - threatened by two people carrying knives, his pants were pulled down, his property was taken, etc.
@@shopobjetdart no i just saw it with my own eyes in the video, what is there to dispute ?
Mui had no idea there was a video when he lied to police and concocted a story that made himself look innocent. He is guilty af and he knows it!
He's not on trial for impeding an investigation or falsifying information. It's a murder trial with video evidence. He could even claim he feels he's guilty and still be found innocent.
Self Defense . I can see not telling the truth - even if you act in self defense, you get prosecuted and bankrupted
Guilty of self defense 100%
Those teens are the same type of teens that get schools shot up. The exact same ones. They’re ass holes and their parents enable & allow it & everyone excuses it and it’s gross. I hope they learn from this because they’re absolutely responsible. It’s ridiculous that they can lie about everything yet nobody is upset about that. Isaac shouldn’t have choked him. He was surrounded by a dozen people all screaming at him, not taking turns so he could take notes. Of course he lied because he knows that the “culture” demonizes older white men, that is the MO.
@@AZDESERT2024 Well, 1. don't talk to the police, because 2. it was used against him.
And successfully so, no "self defense" here, dude is now a convicted murderer.
Exactly Miu chose violence instead of backing up and leaving the scene! I am so chocked to see how these young people suffered with the terrible wounds he caused them both physically and mentally: and he was leaving the scene without even going back to help the people he wounded: the young people had no chance with him HE HAD A WEAPON
Finally, a situation with a young kids, found out the repercussions of bothering an innocent man…sad
@@teeheehee4494Mui literally said himself “kids being kids”… those videos of him talking to the cops and detectives will send him to jail.. innocent people tell the truth.. guilty people act clueless and lie
Agreed !
Deadly coward who only showed emotion when asking about his "baby" his dog.
if only
911: What's your emergency?
Miu: Yes, hi, I'm at the Apple River with my friends and one my friends lost his phone. I went looking for it and a group of teens.They are harassing me. I don't feel safe. I think also one of them might have the phone too.
911: OK what's your location.
Miu: By the bridge on the Apple River.
911: Can I get your Name
Miu: Nicolae Miu
911: Just stay with your group. Do not approach the teens. We will have an officer come by.
People, this is what you do. I'm a little bid older than Miu.
No winners here.
Just call the police.
So sad how peoples egos are so inflated they refuse to back down. And reading the comments, Mr. Miu is not unique in his feelings, many people are willing to murder, for a perceived slight.
@@iWillProbablyDieOnTwoWheels Verdict came back. Guilty of 1st Degree Reckless Homicide.
But he didn't have a phone. Remember?
God bless he's too old. Even 2nd degree is a life sentence for him.
The animal is GUILTY
The sharp tongue of a protective young woman versus the razor-sharp edge of a concealed knife wielded by a bold-faced liar.
Beautiful poetry, my friend, beautiful poetry
He’s not on trial for lying. The video evidence and hours of witness testimony is what shows if he’s guilty or not.
So he’s responsible for his choices, but these kids aren’t? He’s weird, but some random lady running up to scream in a person’s face and grab them is fine?
Lawyer here. His lies are relevant to the issue of whether he subjectively believed his life was in danger. The fact that he lied shows that he knew his acts were likely wrong. He had to paint the boys out to be scarier to him than they actually were to justify why he claims to have feared them.
@@NoName-eq4fcthats just his perception and coping/justification mechanism. He can feel guilty.
Did he have reasonable fear of death when he defended himself?
Damnnn... this lawyer destroyed Him... QUILTY big-time
Really? Strongly disagree. The prosecution does not seem confident in their case imho.
He may be quilty but he is 100% innocent
??
Not Guilty that Prpsecutors a piece pf sh1t even he knows thatans not guilty you can tell he knows that mans not guilty.
Before he started stabbing and killing, the fact that he's hitting a young woman tells me everything I need to know about him.
That supposedly started the mob aggressions and yet she deleted the pictures of her 'injury' ( destroyed evidence) that she should have been proud of to defend their mob actions against Miu.
@@wtl2247Maybe because the injury didn't show, which might have led to a not guilty verdict. People can be struck in the face, without an injury showing.
Woah, the prosecutor says the "boys" aren't responsible. First of all they are not "boys". Second they are directly respinsible for their actions. Third Jiwohan did not come across remorseful at all.
That's exactly what they are teenage boys! Your brain is not fully developed until your mid 20's!
Are the boys responsible for their stabbings and death?
He literally cried on the stand. However, I do agree that he seems to be somewhat arrogant.
And there were girls who were punched and stabbed.
Miu is absolutely GUILTY.
I 💯 Agree
That’s how u raise your kids these day, no wonder kids killing kids
They have too much freedom
I refuse to believe that you believe that. There's a literal video of the group beating him.
@@UzeUrBrain if you watch the trial from beginning to end, you’d say he’s guilty of the lesser charge of intentional homicide. When I first saw the raw video, i said self defense. But I changed my mind after seeing everything in its entirety.
Wow. This is why juries scare me. Some real dumb people out here...
Does anyone think his weight loss was calculated to make himself appear more sympathetic to the jury?
Have you been to jail???
no. What makes you believe this?! Any clues whatsoever?
I don't know how relevant but it crossed my mind too lol
No I don’t think so. Likely stress and crap food.
Stress is a hellava drug.
The young adults, especially Madison caused this tragedy.
I could not agree more. This tragedy was entirely avoidable if humans behaved decently. These prosecutors are an embarrassment to their community.
Miu started it when he made up his mind the drunk teenagers stole his friend's phone and he was going to go "investigate" them by lurking around under their rafts with his snorkel and goggles like a weirdo.
Jawahn...
Let’s blame the teens instead of the psychopath stabbing people. You sound sane.
Nik could’ve minded his own business. HE caused this tragedy.
They all lied.
He the only murderer though
They recited what they thought they saw from two years before. He completely fabricated everything that happened a couple hours after to a detective during an interrogation.
There's a HUGE f'n difference and you know this.
@alanboody7004 no they didn't they lied over and over. Jump someone and touch might get lit up
@@TheBillyBlackwhat does murder mean?
@@TheBillyBlack Define.
his actions actions after the stabbings show he was not acting in self defense at best he is guilty of manslaughter
Ok bot
He's not on trial for impeding an investigation or falsifying information. It's a murder trial with video evidence. He could even claim he feels he's guilty and still be found innocent.
It shows that he was not thinking very clearly and probably terrified. But it in no way affects whether he was defending himself or not.
It's the queen of the rivers' fault
Did they ever have the Queen submit to a BAC test. How drunk was she. Did she have a reputation of acting like an aggressive Karen on other occasions when drunk?
You sure it wasn’t the Lady of the Lake?
All he had to do was not hit her. He didn't like a female telling him what to do. It's European masculinity on display. He sees women as 2nd class citizens. He lied
I realize after reading these comments we’re doomed as a society . People are stupid and stupid people are in power!
We are not, people have different experiences, and see things differently. But we need to show people when the laws of our great Country have been properly used to convict a criminal.
I seen several times miu could have walked off
@rayray2878 "No duty to retreat".-Wisconsin Law.
I wonder how the prosecutor would respond if he was surrounded by intoxicated people looking for a fight
He would walk away, see how I solved that?.
Probably like a rational person would. Either walk away or ask why are you being so belligerent.
Mui is to blame for him being convicted guilty.. those videos of him lying to cops and detectives set his faith… had he just told the truth and said he was protecting himself there wouldn’t be a trial and he would be free but he knew what he did was criminal and so he lied, lied and lied some more
Everything after the altercation is irrelevant.
@@backalleyburrito1815 . WHY?
@@thebassinprogressive9399 because he is on trial for the altercation, nothing more, nothing less.
Just because he was afraid of cops doesn't mean he wasn't afraid for his life.
He's not on trial for impeding an investigation or falsifying information. It's a murder trial with video evidence. He could even claim he feels he's guilty and still be found innocent.
Let's be clear here. He didn't have to turn around and re-approach those people. He didn't have to brandish a deadly weapon. He could have tried to leave. He never did. He pulled a knife and held it by his side, and stood there. He waited. He didn't run. Self defense goes out the window.
That being said, in the video, it seems like Miu was in actual danger for his life twice. But considering the above, he didn't need to be in either situation.
1. When he was first punched into the water and then struck again, and stood over.
2. After they were pushing him into the water from behind his back when he was already down.
I'd think second degree murder is more accurate here, but not first. Brandishing the knife and standing still instead of running implies he intended to do great harm, but this doesn't look pre-meditated, unless we are arguing that his pre-meditation is within about 10-20 seconds of the incident.
If he went back to get the knife, it was premeditated, after being called names.
Speaking of lying how many lies did the teenagers lie combined.
But they didn't have any weapons on them and they didn't kill this "old poor man" guilty ! 💯!!
I didn't watch everyone's testimony. What lies did they tell? I'm legitimately interested.
@lupitajohnson1526 You're probably a little slow. You wouldn't have his reaction without their actions. I doubt he would have just stabbed someone for absolutely no reason.
The entire gang of 12 lied on the stand. They actually believe they were innocent in this entire affair. Pathetic.
Starting with “he punched me”. Maddison should be sitting on trial next
This attorney won it. The other guy is super weak. He can’t ask a good question at all. This attorney is the best out of that group.
Regardless of Miu's lying I think he will walk. The defence I think put on a stronger case and the video evidence actually does more harm as it proved Miu was being bullied and tormented. I am not excusing Miu as I too see that darkness the lies within him.
He will be put away for his darkness, and the kids with darkness got a lesson
He was provoked
wrong, r e t a r d
You obviously didn't watch all the tapes. He went after them LOOKING for trouble. It's not ambiguous. He had plenty of opportunity to leave them alone but he was getting his jollies off.
NO REASON FOR MURDER
The boys also called out for help before the violence, Miu never did
also told him to leave as he is clearly acting suspicious in the video. Any family would be like wtf is this guy doing touchinng our tubes”. This all ends up to him concealing the knife by holding it close to his body after the first altercation and then attacks the girl which provoked the 2nd altercation from the already suspicious boys. They were simply defending the girl Miu was talking to…
It’s only because they were a group of underage kids that he fucked with them in the first place. He targeted them.
Agree. Why did they just be on their way, instead, they went to him and ask him what is he doing
Did you not even watch the video? How about the trial?
Miu did, in fact, wave to his group for help.
Also- who cares if he didn't? That's not necessary. The group of people attacked him. Physically beat him.
Clearly self defense.
Pulled his knife out then waves for witnesses which failed. He knew he was about to do the unthinkable.
Sorry prosecution, while you were less than professional when presenting your case, your closing statement made me realize that you're not interested in truth.
Lmao, prosecution isn't interested in the truth, yet it was defendant who lied more times than you can count on both hands
Hahahaha WHAT???
Did Christopher Steele tell you to say that? Hahahahaha
To the people who are blaming the teens.
THIS TRAGEDY STARTED WHEN THIS MURDERER TOLD THE TEENS
" IM LOOKING FOR LITTLE GIRLS"
IF THAT MURDERER DID NOT TOUCH, GRABB OR STOP THE TUBES A YOUNG MAN WOULD NOT BE DEAD AND NUMEROUS OTHERS WOULDN'T OF BEEN INJURED.
So let me get this straight....in your mind it's OK to beat and drown a old man simply for touching a rubber tube.....but not ok to use force after being assaulted repeatedly by a group????
There is no actual evidence of this spontaneous claim, one which he did not include in his initial report to police. This young guy thought he could stir everybody up, which he did, for something to post. Even as the older man is being attacked, he is laughing, so satisfied with himself. Taking no responsibility for this entire situation. What I know about actual sex offenders, I am a retired psychologist, is that they are typically smart enough not to broadcast this. How come no one asked if he was telling the truth at all? He is the asshole in all of this. No one should have been stabbed but this man created a false drama so here would be justification for his plan, which was to get his mob of friends to attack the older man. No remorse. Psychopath.
@@Jay-gh4zlyou can’t argue logic with these people lol. They form an opinion with their own personal mental gymnastics and no amount of evidence can sway them.
This man was slapped twice he wasn't beaten and drowned grow up and by the way he walked away once turned around after being called a mean name smh yall are wild this man is unhinged he lied and threw his knife if he was in fear for his life he wouldn't have lied nor would he have been smiling in the video yall are delusional he will be found guilty for at least the death of Issac
@@theskyisfalling_9012 why so triggered? Both our comments were pointing out OP’s flawed logic. You’re just assuming shit and sound completely unhinged lol
This wasn’t self defense. This turned to murder
So he's just supposed to let the gang kick the shit out of him in the water?
I don't know why all these foreigners have to bring there knife carrying culture into the country back in my parents early days 1930s a murder or stabbing was so rare , it hit front page !
Even panicked people > hope the killer doesn't come our way ?
Now it's so common it hardly gets a mention!
@@Elkski84🙄wow that was a great dream. Maybe take note of every video. Total ignorance.
Then I'm guessing you will be mad when he's found Not guilty According to the LAW. The law which absolutely allows a person to Defend themselves when being attacked!!
@@TheRipper5418 Not in that state it doesn't. Sorry to disappoint but your idiotic maga ways aren't going to change this outcome.
The legal concept of "consciousness of guilt" is amply exhibited by Defendant. Washing blood off the murder weapon before throwing it into bushes on the opposite side of the river, immediately adding disguise of a shirt, hat and sunglasses before attempting to drive away from the crime scene are a few prominent indicators of "consciouness of guilt".
No it isn't. He left the river dressed the same way as when he went in. Wanting to have nothing further to do with the knife is also not convincing. If he REALLY wanted to hide the knife, he could have removed it from the river, or buried it. Throwing it on the river bank makes it EASIER to find later. A person in shock can to lots of things that we don't understand.
The kids are all caught lying, and crafting a new story now. But they say that mui is lying
This is a huge waist of tax dollars be ashamed prosecutor
Hope you're not a prosecutor - you must vote blue
...that man is a killer!!
@judisullivan3047 No blue here. But you should try learning self-defense. I teach it. This is a commie sham of a trial. Blowing tax dollars because people got really dumb. People raised dumb kids want to get away with being dumb. It's amazing
@theresaperry1448 the kids didn't kill him so he's a killer? What stupid pills are people taking now days?
@judisullivan3047 I have too much common sense and decency to be a prosecutor. Why I'm a master carpenter building for the rich that deserve it. Watching people feel bad for kids that didnt have proper upbringing shameful.
Amen. May the Jury make the right decision.
They will. Not guilty, self defense. Everyone was lying both to police and on the stand. The video will be all that matters.
@@randyrenner7643 guilty
@@teddyjam8134 of reckless endangerment, not murder. Now we know why the State reduced the charges. It wasn't murder.
This older man should of walked away . He is the adult. You do not kill people!
Why didn't his twin brother take the stand to support him?
If this
man is let go and 'not guilty' it will unfortunately happen again.
I cannot believe this state even brought this case.It's ridiculous, this guy is not guilty?It was self-defense plain and simple.Anyone who sees the video could understand that
Maybe if you start the video halfway thru.. cmon
His lies are called self preservation. What woild the lies of the others be called? Malicious?
Good point in this situation
So it's ok for him to lie? Wow you people will make up any excuse for this guy.
@@minilea25 no but its understandable
@minilea25 people are passionate in defending monsters like this guy. Insanity
@@mylesolson4734 I'm glad the jury didn't think like you.
I don’t believe anything the prosecutor says. We saw the video.
Miu the liar
But did you listen to ANY testimony? Or how about his interrogation??? 😂
Why?
@@lilaworley8935 Miu is guilty of obstruction of justice and tampering with evidence. In the exact moment of the situation, it was self-defense
He is a murderer. He could've easily avoided the confrontation with those kids.. But he decided not to..with a knife in his pocket.
Its 100% the fault of the young men. All but one were legal adults. They should've minded their own business.
They escalated things, but the skill he had with the knife, it's possible he has murdered before, and gotten away with it.
He was convinced they stole the phone and wasn't going to let it go. He took the knife to confront them. He had a plan to head toward them, that's why Mr. Williams tried to discourage it.
Exactly! I thought I was the only one who figured that one out!
He knew what he was getting into..he was tapping that knife EARLY!!
@SunFlower-sf1go Looks like maybe the jury figured it out too. I'm a good deal older than Miu, I also see the point that he was in THEIR space. Yeah, they were obnoxious, but if they thought he was just some pervy guy, I wouldn't expect them to say welcome aboard. Alcohol on both sides clouded perceptions.
This guy really said nobody laid a hand on him until he stabbed multiple people!?!? The video clearly shows many of them putting their hands on him, punching and pushing him. The kid who died was choking him then got stabbed.
Miu is a monster.
So are those young adults they all had their part in this
@jaynestewart-js6by nah they didn't stab anyone
More of a Mike than Sulley though.
@jaynestewart-js6by You're a monster if you, like Miu, are too ignorant to understand the concept of "sticks and stones." Nobody laid a hand on him until after he had already started attacking people. Idiots like you who can't separate your feelings from your actions are always going to be a detriment to society.
@@Truelib99Hobbesmore of a Jack the Ripper or Ted Bundy.
Kids todays ate acting like animals.
He got 97 years in jail.
The true justice would be divide 97 by 13 and give everyone involved 7.46 years in jail.
So thankful that the jury got this one right.
Props to the prosecutor for telling it like it is! It makes me sick clueless people are still defending this egotistical and depraved murderer. I feel so bad for these kids, and the fact their friend died is even more sad. RIP Isaac Schuman. 🙏 None of them deserved this, and the ones who survived will likely be traumatized for life. It was unnerving watching the actual video. Its hard to imagine any human could be so evil. Miu had nothing but hatred and contempt for humanity in his completely hollow heart and it shows. He's going to prison for the rest of his life and he knows it.
@@user-Do4kl9rs4x You don't have a right to stab and murder people because they called you a name you dont like. Your argument is pure trash.
We build prisons just for people like yourself who think this is acceptable.
Your defense of a depraved murderer is sickening.
They did not follow Miu either, he repeatedly harassed them, refused to leave them alone, then he charged at them.
The group of kids never touched him until after he began stabbing people. He had the knife in his hand when they threw him down in the water, the prosecutor just clarified that in this very video you're lying about; and the defense never objected.
@@user-Do4kl9rs4x Stop lying. Miu harassed, threatened, stalked, and assaulted them first!
Its all caught on video. He was just found guilty and he's headed to prison for life. No one put a hand on Miu until after he assaulted several people, including hitting that girl in the face.
The group of kids he stabbed never put a hand on him until he started stabbing people, the video evidence doesnt lie the way you do.
They begged him to go away. He left, came back with a knife!
He then tried to hide the knife, lied to the cops about what happened, claimed he wasn't involved at all.
I was disgusted when this guy said "Maybe the world would be a better place if more people [acted like these self-deceiving violent drunks]" - over the top attempt at emotional manipulation reeks of desperation.
He was only referring to the girl who tried to get Mui to leave the scene.
I think he was just referring to Madison, if we're thinking of the same comment. If not, my bad.
But i agree that it certainly wasn't an effective point, considering that she clearly escalated the situation, no matter how you feel about Miu's actions.
@@drewc771Who said that about the girl?
@@jellozello1365 The older prosecutor in the closing rebuttal.
A sad situation for him. I can see that he has suffered in the past two years. He lost considerable weight. Every man has a right to defend himself, agree. The group of teens were rude to him, all true. But if he wanted to protect his life, he should have walked away after the first contact with that group of teens. Nobody would have come after him. Instead he came on to them, and he was clearly out for revenge. Anger is a condition that can bring you in a lot of trouble fast, and in this case it may have destroyed his life.
Very well said
he still had to defend himself from being beaten or drowned by that mob. they should have just been quiet and minded their own business
Exactly!!!!
I totally agree. I also think he takes issue with mouthy women and that was his last straw. I also wonder if he served in the Romanian services and learned tactical knife skills. He had so many opportunities to walk away. Then too, what's on that phone that was so important? Who snorkels in 10 inches of water and those bags are meant to float. It's just a damned phone. Something very strange about that story, doesn't sit right. Lastly, if I'm in a group and shit goes down and someone I'm with stabs multiple people, I'm not floating anywhere with that person. Not a person in his party stopped to speak with the police and they all knew something awful happened. I have a feeling he may delete himself.
@@cookingforme4711 i'm very suspicious of your motives here and unhealthy interest in other peoples business and their phones, i think the police should pay you a visit and check into your computers and phones and make sure you dont have something in there you dont want others to see, and you seem to know a lot about how to kill people with knives and what is involved in tactical training and so forth leading me to think you may be an agent of a foreign government sent here to do harm to others. your in depth knowledge of the romainian services is scary as well, i dont feel safe with people like you running free and making comments like this, i hope you are investigated.
Any normal person in that same situation would have come to the exact same response and defended themselves from an alcohol and drug raged violent mob. It’s irrelevant if he made things up afterwards, the video tells the truth.
The things he said afterwards are significant, not irrelevant. A normal person would have communicated their intentions more when approaching the boys, and when near them. Or would have walked away when a large group of people perceive you as a predator, and want you to go away. He could have looked for the phone after their group passed with their tubes
They need to prosecute whoever provided the boys with alcohol and pot.
Do live in reality or are you that dense ?
I think the state made a great case here such a sad situation.
Nick is a Romanian and there people probably have different standards of roughness than in the US. Maybe a litle stabbing here and there would be overlooked in Romania. He will, sadly for himself, learn the hard way that he is no longer in Romania, but in the US.
I find it interesting that not much at all was said about Nic’s life history unless I missed it.
In Romania self-defense may only be proportional by law.
As soon as he pulled a knife and the kids didn't, it's intentional homicide without any leeway.
This case wouldn't even be brought to trial as self-defense, only to a short sentencing hearing.
Wow...thank you for sharing.
Murder is murder.
And there's no jury trials in Romania either.
I’ve travelled extensively throughout Eastern Europe (including Romania) and it truly is a different world in regards for the sanctity of human life and attitudes necessary for simply being able to “get by” in life; especially comparing it to the Midwest USA.
Excellent rebuttal!! GUILTY
The amount of ignorant people in this in this comment section is terrifying. Literally none of you have ever been in a fight. If you've never been bullied like this guy was bullied... THEN YOU WERE THE BULLY OR A COWARD.
The people amazed that he didn't announce to the hyenas that he had the knife. You can tell they've never been in a fight. He should announce it? That probably would have gotten him killed.
You are crazy! Listen to your words! Bullied? What is this middle school? He was lurking and grabbing at them because he just knew those teens had his friends phone and he was going to demand it back with his knife! He's a cold blooded killer who harassed some drunken high schools kids on a river. What about their rights? They were innocent and didn't have the phone! He started this all.
A true example of “fuk around and find out.” The teenagers instigated the incident and found out.
Miu found out what it's like to live the rest of his life in a bathroom.
He did first
Hey kids, yeah he lied to the police. But he has no duty to retreat. Madison Coen is not the owner of the river. He probably didn't know that. he was petrified and I don't blame him. They weren't boys either. They were young adults. When I think of boys I think of 12 year olds. Miu was insulted, we can all agree. But what started it was the **** of the river who BOTH touched him physically and pushed him.
He had help coming from the other group but their help changed when he produced the knife. It’s his own fault. If every coming of age group of boys drinking ended up with an angry adult murdering and wounding them then they might have not been so naive.
@@nicolecooper3112a knife is dangerous, but it's not a force balancer when you're defending against a football team. An AK47 doesn't even balance the scales at that range.
"he was petrified" 😂 Nope.
@@Teeveepicksures we still don't know they wouldn't have drowned him if he hadn't defended. Mobs of youth do this kind of things frequently, and this is hardly the first time violence has broken out on the apple river.