Koscheck: too much of a dick to be a good coach Penn: a natural talent, hard to teach that McGregaor: drunk Shamrock: too hardcore and old school, also totally distracted by Ortiz Rampage: does not know how to coach
Kos, BJ, and Rampage were all too self-centered to be coaches. Conor has talent (several fighters have vouched for his coaching abilities, including guys he's beaten like Eddie Alvarez), but I agree that his substance abuse problems get in the way. Finally, Ken Shamrock was never a good coach as his methods were considered outdated and inefficient even in his heyday. The Lions' Den succeeded in spite of him, not because of him.
i'm siding with BJ on the Gabe and Andy situations.... i think those were cases of fighters letting themselves down, and he was right to be frustrated!
With Gabe, he should've nipped it early but I'm sure by the time he realized it was too little too late I think. It's hard to gauge if his team knew immediately he wasn't making weight or it was a realization after. With Andy, yeah. BJ told him to grapple. In that scenario you just do what you're told. Even if he looses, BJ is partially to blame as well. But Andy chose to stand up .
when training with a 2007 BJ Penn, it's better to shut up and listen. Gabe missed weight because he was afraid to fight. Andy lost because he thought he had the skills of Roy Jones Jr..
Yeah I actually have to say Ken shamrock don't get me wrong man I respect what that guy did for the sport. But he was a pretty good coach from what I understand back at the Lion's den so to see him look so discombobulated on The ultimate fighter what's so hard to watch... I didn't actually think rampage was that bad at least he was entertaining
@@ianbrewster8934 yeah during his prime kens team was like American top team they had great prospects come out of the lions den. I think he just wanted that rematch with Tito and didn't care sadly. But to be fair besides Ed herman and kalib starnes his team was easily the weakest next to rampages tuf 10 team.
Prior to that season of Ultimate Fighter I though Evans was really full of himself and sort of an arrogant jerk. But watching them both in coaching roles I found Evans was great at being a team player and helping his guys while Rampage seemed like the jerk.
@@arthurfhackingshelby9631 knocked down* and he got back up and destroyed the guy. I don't know why people always ommit that part, that video does not end when BJ gets sucker punched.
Nah Ken got a guy to the finals maybe he wasn’t the best but he was way better than rampage. Ken’s coaching was outdated by then….but at least he tried unlike rampage who was just acting like an idiot the whole time
That moment when Matt Hughes gave out Bibles to his team and started explaining his role in the story has to be the most second hand embarassing thing in TUF history
@@thebigcat2390Bruuuuuh Go read his book just to start 🤣🤣🤣🤣 You're going to cry laugh yourself into dehydration on one page, and be utterly disgusted by him the next.
@@krazymoop2 True.. but Big Country knew the kid had a slim chance of winning so he abandoned him. Big Country is supposed to be a super coach who turned his living room into a gym, so I thought that was callous.
Kinda unreleated but I once heard this rumor that long time ago that Matt Hughes once went to a guy who was struggling to finish a workout in a gym and told him to "get out" because his weakness was contagious or something along those lines. That story kinda stuck with me.
Nah I gotta side with BJ on the whole Andy Wang thing, they tried to give the kid good advice and he refused to follow it, like why are you even there bruh.
Conor and Chandler's season was an absolute disaster! Why would you have former ufc fighters against rookies?! Every fight was a mismatch. Conor was barely a coach and chandler spent most of the time whining about Brad Katona behind his back, because he asked to work on a gameplan together! 😂
Randy couture should be on this list during the show he only had 1 win until they switched it to team mate vs team mate plus the fs t he injured one of his guys by taking down a guy onto another guys knee
Shamrock was really terrible. When you can make Tito look like a compassionate genius by comparison, you know you had to have an endless amount of terrible mistakes. Almost get the idea that he didn’t want the guys he was “training” to get better than him.
Rampage went over the line messing with the big kid. But I still love him. #1 favorite Liddel #2 Griffin #3 rampage Of the old era. Strickland, Dustin p, and Garethjie new era favs
Keep in mind.... The Ultimate Fighter IS a reality show..... You are not seeing 24-7 footage. You are only seeing what the producers of the show WANT you to see. They need to create a narrative and keep drama going to keep ratings up. They have to create a good guy and a bad guy.... The fighters who have complained about their coaches could be lazy bastards who dont listen to them for all we know.... Nobody knows what is going on outside of what the producers are showing you. Ken Shamrock and the rest of these guys may very well be the shows worst coaches.... But then again, maybe not. For all we know, Matt Hughes and GSP were terrible coaches who just ignored their weaker fighters and only worked with the good ones.... Hughes is known for looking down on people who do not follow Christ. I'm sure that affects the way he helps those who believe vs those who don't.... and there is a LOT who dont.....
I had watched TUF Penn VS Pulver, and I don't blame Penn for how he behaved towards Gabe who had zero control of his weight and kept eating the wrong food. And I still laugh when he mocks Andy Wang's crying for losing, during the fight Penn screams "Take him down" repeatedly but Wang chose to stand & strike, bloody cry baby 😭😭😭😭😭
Ken Shamrock pissed me off on TUF3. It’s pretty bad when you make Tito look like the good guy. Ken just argued with his fighters whenever they disagreed with him and tried to single them out.
Penne season was awesome I don’t know how u put him on this list! He would train boxing with no mouth gaurd showing these guys skill. Plus his fighter made it to the finale! 🤦♂️
Yeah as legendary as Ken Shamrock was, he kind of had a reputation for being a terrible coach who used horribly outdated training methods and refused to evolve with an ever-changing sport. The Lions' Den succeeded in spite of him, not because of him.
i know you usually choose less mainstream topics like a ufc fighters lesser known career in another organization like strikeforce but id love you see you make a goatlist for a certain divison or just an overall goat list
TUF 31 Conor was by far the worst of all time. Ken Shamrock didnt know shit but he was passionate and trying to coach. Conor just didnt give a fuck about anyone else, it was embarassing.
Koscheck could have been better if he could have took the competition seriously and cut out with the pranks. Bj was a good coach better than that whole list
You're wrong about Pen. Of course you're going to try your best to help and push your fighters. He just happened to be delt to of the biggest bitches in the group. Wangs ego was waaaaay out of hand and Rutiger was a poser. Watch the season in full then you'll see.
The best thing Rampage did versus Team Rashad was when there was only one fighter left to pick. And he hilariously chooses "That camera guy right over there!" That was legitimately his best contribution to the series, and his team 😅
Agreed the guys a dumb bully nothing more nothing less even on his podcast he acts like an immature child making sex jokes 99% of the time it’s embarrassing to watch
Randy Couture should be on that list. His team never actually won a fight, the only time they won, was when they forced some members of the blue team onto his green team. Randy was the worst coach in TUF history
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Andy Wang....that man's a warrior. 😢
😂😂😂
Every time I see him I say Hey, that man’s a warrior
That and Julian Lanes "LET ME BANG BRO!!!!!!!!"? Iconic lines that deserve a spot in the UFC HOF
When I hear Andy Wang I don't hear 'punk' I hear 'warrior'
Koscheck: too much of a dick to be a good coach
Penn: a natural talent, hard to teach that
McGregaor: drunk
Shamrock: too hardcore and old school, also totally distracted by Ortiz
Rampage: does not know how to coach
Shamrock also drunk at that point
Kos, BJ, and Rampage were all too self-centered to be coaches. Conor has talent (several fighters have vouched for his coaching abilities, including guys he's beaten like Eddie Alvarez), but I agree that his substance abuse problems get in the way. Finally, Ken Shamrock was never a good coach as his methods were considered outdated and inefficient even in his heyday. The Lions' Den succeeded in spite of him, not because of him.
i'm siding with BJ on the Gabe and Andy situations.... i think those were cases of fighters letting themselves down, and he was right to be frustrated!
With Gabe, he should've nipped it early but I'm sure by the time he realized it was too little too late I think. It's hard to gauge if his team knew immediately he wasn't making weight or it was a realization after.
With Andy, yeah. BJ told him to grapple. In that scenario you just do what you're told. Even if he looses, BJ is partially to blame as well. But Andy chose to stand up .
Andy is a warrior!
Lol I heard he’s teaching karate at the ymca😂
when training with a 2007 BJ Penn, it's better to shut up and listen. Gabe missed weight because he was afraid to fight. Andy lost because he thought he had the skills of Roy Jones Jr..
@@ProtomanButCallMeBlues agreed, Gabe needed to make changes earlier, but the coaches seem so uninvolved with nutrition and what goes on in the house
To be fair rampage said numerous times he had no idea how to coach.
Yeah I actually have to say Ken shamrock don't get me wrong man I respect what that guy did for the sport. But he was a pretty good coach from what I understand back at the Lion's den so to see him look so discombobulated on The ultimate fighter what's so hard to watch... I didn't actually think rampage was that bad at least he was entertaining
@@ianbrewster8934 yeah during his prime kens team was like American top team they had great prospects come out of the lions den. I think he just wanted that rematch with Tito and didn't care sadly. But to be fair besides Ed herman and kalib starnes his team was easily the weakest next to rampages tuf 10 team.
@@sebastianwhiteside5995 Totally agree
Prior to that season of Ultimate Fighter I though Evans was really full of himself and sort of an arrogant jerk. But watching them both in coaching roles I found Evans was great at being a team player and helping his guys while Rampage seemed like the jerk.
Yeah he also has said he doesn’t care about sexual harassment laws.
To be fair, Andy Wang thought he knew more than BJ and got what he deserved 🤷🏻♂️
BJ's impression of him will always be hilarious 😂
Andy Wang is a warrior
Inmortal moment
bj pen got knock out by a civilian, well
Yea bro he was 4-6 why was he even on the show lmao
@@arthurfhackingshelby9631 knocked down* and he got back up and destroyed the guy. I don't know why people always ommit that part, that video does not end when BJ gets sucker punched.
Arguably one of the best is Chael Sonnen. Dude genuinely really cared.
Knowing chael he just knew what the say when the cameras were rolling.
The master of 17 career losses 😄
@@Brown87 you mean 17 careers ended. Undefeated, undisputed.
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 Just to be clear, what I meant was that he's undefeated if you don't count his 17 defeats 😄
@@publiusventidiusbassus123230 flawless victory's, 17 kills, and 1 that went instantly missing.
I feel like Conor was the worst by far. Rampage at least tried to help his team. Conor didn’t give a shit about his team
Shamrock actually made Tito seem sharp and witty
Tito was like the older brother of his team, aloof but well intentioned. Shamrock was like a horrible boss, made everything about himself.
@@ProtomanButCallMeBluesShamrock was so bad!
Nah you said it wrong, Andy decided to STAND. AND. WANG. 🥊👊
He said “let me wang bro”..
Lol
Big Country had his team draw straws to pick fights
Haven't watched yet but Ken Shamrock better be number 1
How dare you,living in the past and making your fighters watch film of your old fights is the pinnacle of elite level training.
Nah Ken got a guy to the finals maybe he wasn’t the best but he was way better than rampage. Ken’s coaching was outdated by then….but at least he tried unlike rampage who was just acting like an idiot the whole time
@@aaronpaulo7533did Ken get him there or did randy couture?
Cutman Tate has a better reputation than Koscheck. "Male Nurse" 😂
Wasn't the nurse a plant by GSP to fuck with Koshchek? Or am I miss-remebering that
that is if you ignore Brad getting fired by the Albuquerque Fire Department for providing substandard care and mistreating patients.
That moment when Matt Hughes gave out Bibles to his team and started explaining his role in the story has to be the most second hand embarassing thing in TUF history
Especially when you learn about Matt Hughes’ history. It’s amazing those bibles didn’t start sizzling in his hands
@@jagaloon14its par for the course for the usual guys who hand them out tbh.
@@JD_13 100%
@@jagaloon14what was matt up to back in the day?
@@thebigcat2390Bruuuuuh
Go read his book just to start 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You're going to cry laugh yourself into dehydration on one page, and be utterly disgusted by him the next.
Nah bruh....you gotta put Big Country on this list. He didn't even show up to the 'lil homie's fight.
There's several coaches who missed a fight
@@krazymoop2 True.. but Big Country knew the kid had a slim chance of winning so he abandoned him. Big Country is supposed to be a super coach who turned his living room into a gym, so I thought that was callous.
@@reygunner1644and then Roy accused the commission of faking the weigh in 😂
Roy has always seemed like a bit of a dick. When cro cop retied, he posted the clip of him TKO'ing him and saying "have a good retirement"
Wait, Matt Hughes isn't up here? Bible study as fight prep?
Why wouldn’t you?
GSP mindgaming Koscheck in the fighter picks in the first episode increased my appreciation of GSP tenfold
*raises the roof* exactly :D
Kinda unreleated but I once heard this rumor that long time ago that Matt Hughes once went to a guy who was struggling to finish a workout in a gym and told him to "get out" because his weakness was contagious or something along those lines.
That story kinda stuck with me.
Nah I gotta side with BJ on the whole Andy Wang thing, they tried to give the kid good advice and he refused to follow it, like why are you even there bruh.
I love the old UFC music at the beginning of your videos.
Love this video! Would really like to see one with the best coaches of TUF!
Conor and Chandler's season was an absolute disaster!
Why would you have former ufc fighters against rookies?! Every fight was a mismatch.
Conor was barely a coach and chandler spent most of the time whining about Brad Katona behind his back, because he asked to work on a gameplan together! 😂
Conor never bothered to show up or strategize so every win helped Chandler control the next one. Conor's team won 1 fight the entire season.
God when I hear that sonic adventure song, I know what time it is…
Randy couture should be on this list during the show he only had 1 win until they switched it to team mate vs team mate plus the fs t he injured one of his guys by taking down a guy onto another guys knee
Shamrock was really terrible. When you can make Tito look like a compassionate genius by comparison, you know you had to have an endless amount of terrible mistakes. Almost get the idea that he didn’t want the guys he was “training” to get better than him.
Rampage’s trash talk on Conover was hilarious.
Andy Wang certainly lived up to his last name
I never understood how people get angry when you forget their names.
It's crazy how bad Ken was as aca coach. Dude is just a wild man.
Mavens entrance theme in the back, don't think i missed that 😂
Right?!!!
Rampage went over the line messing with the big kid. But I still love him.
#1 favorite Liddel
#2 Griffin
#3 rampage
Of the old era.
Strickland, Dustin p, and Garethjie new era favs
Some people were made to be fighters and some coaches.
Andy "the wailing warrior" Wang
He needs inducted into the ufc cry of shame!
Cody garbrandt should be on here
Season 19 Edgar vs Penn was the worst fucking thing put to television.
I thought shamrock was a decent cornerman, but still a draconian coach
Rampage was the perfect coach for the show.
Nobody ever wants to hear any criticism of Rob Whittaker but he was not a good coach
Who did he coach against
@Thefrogking234 Kelvin Gastelum
@@ItsNotCagefighting interesting
Anybody thought Jon Jones would be here?
Say what you want but when I see a guy like Andy wang I say “that guys a warrior “
marc laimon, he's like an expert swimmer who never got in the pool 🤣
Keep in mind.... The Ultimate Fighter IS a reality show..... You are not seeing 24-7 footage. You are only seeing what the producers of the show WANT you to see. They need to create a narrative and keep drama going to keep ratings up. They have to create a good guy and a bad guy.... The fighters who have complained about their coaches could be lazy bastards who dont listen to them for all we know.... Nobody knows what is going on outside of what the producers are showing you. Ken Shamrock and the rest of these guys may very well be the shows worst coaches.... But then again, maybe not. For all we know, Matt Hughes and GSP were terrible coaches who just ignored their weaker fighters and only worked with the good ones.... Hughes is known for looking down on people who do not follow Christ. I'm sure that affects the way he helps those who believe vs those who don't.... and there is a LOT who dont.....
The ending killed me
Cutman brad tate is the best how could anyone hate him
GON TITTIES YOU'LL MAKE MAH DAY
BJ Penn looked like he rather be anywhere but there
I remember McGregor was so bad as a coach he just wanted to fight all his students.
I had watched TUF Penn VS Pulver, and I don't blame Penn for how he behaved towards Gabe who had zero control of his weight and kept eating the wrong food. And I still laugh when he mocks Andy Wang's crying for losing, during the fight Penn screams "Take him down" repeatedly but Wang chose to stand & strike, bloody cry baby 😭😭😭😭😭
Andy Wang was 30 when he went to TUF. You'd think he was 10 years younger given how absurdly immature, ungrateful and just plain dumb he behaved.
I thought Rampage did fine during his first stint vs Forrest
The only reason Conor isn’t the worst coach ever (with one win) is cause Rampage (also only one win) had a larger team
Ken Shamrock pissed me off on TUF3. It’s pretty bad when you make Tito look like the good guy.
Ken just argued with his fighters whenever they disagreed with him and tried to single them out.
Penne season was awesome I don’t know how u put him on this list! He would train boxing with no mouth gaurd showing these guys skill. Plus his fighter made it to the finale! 🤦♂️
Yeah as legendary as Ken Shamrock was, he kind of had a reputation for being a terrible coach who used horribly outdated training methods and refused to evolve with an ever-changing sport. The Lions' Den succeeded in spite of him, not because of him.
Andy wang 😂😂😂😂that was so funny
Tito was a surprisingly great coach which made Shamrock look even worse!!!
i know you usually choose less mainstream topics like a ufc fighters lesser known career in another organization like strikeforce but id love you see you make a goatlist for a certain divison or just an overall goat list
TUF 31 Conor was by far the worst of all time. Ken Shamrock didnt know shit but he was passionate and trying to coach. Conor just didnt give a fuck about anyone else, it was embarassing.
Do best coach's, surely whittaker in there interesting list
CM.. end of list
my name is LAUREN!!!
Yes BJ was fine...those guys embarrassed themselves
Koscheck could have been better if he could have took the competition seriously and cut out with the pranks. Bj was a good coach better than that whole list
I knew Shamrock would be on this list😂
Well the thumbnail is kind of a giveaway 😉
@@ItsNotCagefighting thumbnail or not I knew he would be on the list geez
You're wrong about Pen. Of course you're going to try your best to help and push your fighters. He just happened to be delt to of the biggest bitches in the group. Wangs ego was waaaaay out of hand and Rutiger was a poser. Watch the season in full then you'll see.
#1 Rampage Jackson
No gilbert ?
CMac cares more about promoting his 💩 whisky than showing up for his team. And he didn't win, nothing Conor did attributed to Brad Katona winning😂
Rampage Tito Shamrock Garbrandt Wanderlei Silva
NGL, there was plenty of good stuff from Conor the second time around, just some bad stuff too.
matt serra might have been the best coach
To be fair BJ penn was dealt a bad hand
B.J. My Penn
Bro said bj pen a bad coach for being too mean🤦🏽♂️soft mfs
shamrock was the worst. he never did anything and had no staff that did anything either
No ! Bad for our community and bad for new generation …
Limbo was not dominated at all bro! You need to watch back! Nelson laid on him and love tapped him, far from dominating
Rampage 1 Door 0
The best thing Rampage did versus Team Rashad was when there was only one fighter left to pick. And he hilariously chooses "That camera guy right over there!"
That was legitimately his best contribution to the series, and his team 😅
Even Rashad busted his guts laughing. It was the one moment all season that made him thankful for Rampage's involvement on the show! 🤣
McGregor.
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Conor Mcgregor lmao. The dude is a joke. Everything he says and does is cringey af.
Edit: Of course he didn't fight Chandler. Conor is just a clown.
Can't blame a guy for not knowing a female fighters name.
Joanna jrzedceck
Rampage was/is just a horrible human being alround
Agreed the guys a dumb bully nothing more nothing less even on his podcast he acts like an immature child making sex jokes 99% of the time it’s embarrassing to watch
Agreed but he is one the most beloved. To be fair most fighters are scumbags
@@5Diming I don't think so. I think there are scumbags and good ones, like in every group of people. But Rampage is certainly part of the former.
Matt Hughes should be on there for giving his team bibles to read. The worst of all cringe.
Yeah, he should of gave out Qurans!
Randy Couture should be on that list. His team never actually won a fight, the only time they won, was when they forced some members of the blue team onto his green team. Randy was the worst coach in TUF history
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Conor Mcgregor was hands down the worst coach and its not even debatable, he arguably caused many of them to lose