Only cookstoves with thermocouples at the burner will not turn on automatically. I have not seen anywhere in the codes that any state requires a cookstove to have safetys on the top burners.
I'm gonna sound like an idiot but why is it so bad that you can still turn on the gas when the power trips? We had a massive power outage a couple of years ago and it was a lifesaver to still be able to light the stove to boil water and have a cup of tea.
That's my first thought. Gas ranges only uses the electric for the pilot and control panel. The knobs are mechanical for the gas lines. The irony is the this is a defect with the inspector.
it is a defect because without power this is basically a gas leak on demand. I love gas stoves too but they NEED power to monitor its status(gas content, ignition, air mixture, etc.)
The HVAC as far as the auxiliary drain or secondary should be piped outside not capped. Also why is the return plenum not insulated? Even if it was air conditioning only both the supply and return should be insulated in any attic cause it will effect the efficiency more than people think it does.
0:40 where is the drainage system? 1:10 You can turn the handle and turn on the gas on all stoves that are not energized. 2:30 new homes have the drain at the bottom of the heating unit drain pan and never on the side. 2:44 the main condensation line is usually connected to a sink drain on the floor below the heating unit and the secondary drain line, which is supposed to be on the bottom of the heating unit pan, is supposed to be set to drain water outside of the home, usually over a window so when it is draining water that is an indicator to the home owner that the heating unit main drain line is clogged. 2:50 In California the kitchen hood vent duct is supposed to go straight up unless it is a multifamily home with another home above. In California, no inspector would ever sign off on the final inspection to allow for occupancy of a home with all these errors. 20+ years ago it was easy to find city Inspectors who sold inspections.
The reason why it’s preferred to cap an emergency drain pan is because if water is continually leaking into the pan, the safety switch won’t trip since the pan never fills up and the customer never realizes water is in the pan until it’s rusted through.
Good / reasonable theory. However, another option is route the pan drain line over a door that will be used regularly, or over a porch / lanai / garage, so the owner will see it right away. HVAC’s rarely shut down when it’s convenient, so at least with an open drain on the pan, you can continue to operate the AC until a Service Tech can make it there. As a Custom Builder, I stopped installing AH’s in attic spaces over 15 years ago. Much easier to service on a verticle platform in a dedicated closet and the unit lasts longer / runs more efficiently in conditioned space. The sq. footage loss (referenced by this inspector) is negligible. IMO, if a floorplan can’t sacrifice 6-8 sq. ft. somewhere… that’s a tiny house. ✌️
Dont all stoves allow gas to flow without power? Electicity is just needed for sensors, push controls and pilot ignition. The knobs are mechanical and most people would consider it a feature to be able to use your stove without electricity
It annoyed me so much I googled it some newer stoves have a cutoff. But why shouldn't I be able to use my stove when the power is out. The Interlock Feature While older stoves may be usable during a power outage, most new models will not be. Before trying to cook with your gas stove, check your range’s manual to see whether it includes an interlock. The interlock is a feature that prevents any gas from entering the appliance unless there is electricity. It is a safety device that was once common only to commercial ranges but now is common in residential ones. If your oven has an interlock, check out the other ways to cook during a power outage below.
I would like to hear somebody justify a reason after saying something so dumb like that. Imagine all the defective products you would have if there wasn't some quality control and inspection process. A person would have to be insane to not have something inspected that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to be built. Then you have these builders that say the inspectors can't go in the attic around the roof. Just as insane.
Having a wet switch in the fan coil overflow pan is always ideal and the pan drain piping ( if installed) should terminate to a very noticeable location inside or outside to alert you of a problem.
I do appliance repair and those manifolds will always have gas in them as long as the supply line's valve is opened. Now, what you turned is a mechanical gas valve. The electric bit is known as a switch harness. This switch harness is actually a separate component that clips onto those valves in a series and back to the spark module. Moving that knob will open the gas, but the switch harness will only be able to spark if there is electricity. Basically, you are supposed to be able to do that. Also, this applies to every major manufacturer.
as a hvac service tech i understand capping the drain most home owners won’t know anything is wrong and the insulation inside your air handler is getting soaked the entire time the main drain is clogged if the float switch shuts the unit off then they’ll call you. also as a service tech it’s not fun to have to empty a pan full of water from an attic so a drain would be nice pros and cons either way. most air handles have a secondary drain i prefer to run that one to an inconvenient spot, over a door way, and hope the owner calls if it starts to drain that way you have to have 2 clogged drains before you get a pan full of water and a soaked air handler
Being able to light the stove with a match during a long ass blackout will be nice to boil water and cook food. To hell with electronic stoves bring back the standing pilot.
If power is out your ventilation won't work. You aren't supposed to gas stoves with no ventilation. A bunch of people died in Texas from using their gas stoves with no ventilation.
@@thursdaythought7201 Because they were using it for heating. Not eating. Millions of people use gas stoves to cook food without the HVAC running everyday. No problems.
Some might say it’s only cosmetic, but IMO any Builder that claims a home is ready for sale, but doesn’t enclose the range / micro / hood vent pipe inside a finished chase that matches the interior cabinet finish, doesn’t pay attention to the level of finish like I do. Most Cabinet Sub-Contractors include them. JS.
His is an example of the kind of work done by flipper. I know this particular house is new. My next door neighbor bought a house from a flipper. It had these problems and more. The basement flood if the rain fall is heavy.
I've owned 5 homes. ( not all at once. I move alot) Had them all inspected. They ALWAYS miss something major. I feel like it's a waste of my money. My current home, I had to put almost $6,000 right off the bat from things missed.
Hopefully you know electrical does not power the gas flow of a gas powered range, only the igniter. Also, even if the igniter was working, the countertop receptacle outlet would not provide power to the range. Two dedicated countertop circuits are required for kitchens, a range cannot be powered by the dedicated countertop circuits
i see most of the problems where havc related, probably because cheap builders using wall jumpers to doo the work . i see it all the time in Georgia, shity work
The pan drain. You cannot run the pan overflow back into the main drain line. If the main drain clogs up with alge or dirt then the backup drain outlet on the HVAC unit will release the overflow into the pan. The pan could have an emergency drain to the outside. It is normally placed where you can visually see the water dripping. The drain pan will not drain all the water out because the bottom of the outlet is about 1/4” above the bottom of the pan. A bottom draining outlet is better, but knowone knows how to build one except me. Check the drain to see if it needs a trap or a vent. Check the drain line to see if they are glued. The plumbing code does not require primer on HVAC drains. I can tell you that lines without primer and in a hot attic for 20 years will come loose and leak on your ceiling. Have another company redo the drain lines with primer. If a combination glue was used then redo anyway because you don’t know for sure without a color indicator.
I have firsthand experience of that issue where I was blowing air on a blocked HVAC primary drain line and it leaked some water on my garage ceiling. It looks like the joint might be coming loose. It does not leak during normal operation. I don't know why the code let's them get away with it.
stove needs to be on a individual loop. electric range will need 20 (40*) amp and gas will need constant power so there's no "no-ignite" status. no-ignite is basically a gas leak, which you can guess is bad.
@@ddjohnson9717I can see it needing its own 20 amp service. But why can't it have a gfci? You say it might cause a "no-ignite" status but that is no more dangerous than the power going out.
@@kevinmiller5467 no ignition means the gas is leaking from the stove, and that's dangerous? yeah sure YOU may be smart enough and not make mistakes but many other people will not realize the nob is turned and gas is leaking out of the stove without a fire, and soon either inhale too much CO or the gas has an explosion
I just reviewed the code, I think I know the problem - its not the GFCI, its the stove. without power the stove should auto lock preventing the gas from turning on, at least newer models should . I don't know enough about this matter, maybe the uploader can give us a pointer on what his referring to.
Too bad most of the comments seem to be coming from guys who know all about this stuff. The people who need to see this video are the poor schlemiels who buy houses like this. I suggest that simpler but more complete explanations of what's wrong would help them more. For example, not just "the drain is capped," but "this drain is capped. That's bad, because if this unit overflows, you want the water to flow into a long pipe which carries the water right out of the house."
New construction means shit construction in my book, been a general contractor for about 20 years and one thing I learned is I hate fucking working on new construction, the houses are nothing compared to homes from the 50s and 60s, someone please explain to me how homes that are more than 50 years old hold up better than homes just a few years old, it's simple quality, guys now a days don't have any kind of workmanship or professionalism, but I have to thank all the idiots out there for job security...
It is actually very simple. Due to inflation plus some other factors costs of building a home are much higher then 20 years ago. But median wage hasn't kept up. So those people with the median wage are the ones that are looking to buy said home or more precisely get approved for a loan for said home. Something has to give and that's quality. Same reason appliances don't last as long. People with wages behind the inflation curve buy said appliances but want the modern features.. something has to give somewhere. And contrary to what people want to believe skilled labor in foreign countries isn't that much cheaper, so using as little quality material as possible is vital, hence the very thin flimsy metal bodies of most modern appliances. It's the taxes (or lack of), lack of environmental regulation (cough nestle pumping out all the ground water) and lower costs of transportation that lowers the cost for companies manufacturing overseas. Oh and lax safety, workers comp. etc.
PLEASE PLEASE don’t shoot videos in portrait format‼️NOBODY wants to see a large black bar on either side of your tiny video. Turn your smartphone horizontally to record your videos in LANDSCAPE format‼️That’s what the professionals do for RUclips and broadcast television.
this is where we are at in these modern times, going backwards with technology! amazing, but your correct, i do get sick of watching videos threw what looks like your viewing it threw a KEYHOLE of a door! wow!! isnt tech just junky these days!
If that's how they finished, imagine how they started. And carried on throughout. Inspections or no, lots of poor workmanship was most likely involved at all stages of the build. They really thought that it would pass? Would you want these guys as your mechanic? Then why would you want them working on something that you'll have a lot longer than your car?
His issue with the gas stove is not valid. The top of the stove is set up so that if there is no power you can still light the burners with a match. Note that this does NOT apply to the oven. If there is no power the oven does not work and you cannot manually light it. This also applies to most gas fireplaces, if there is no power the unit is locked down and you cannot manually light it.
Only cookstoves with thermocouples at the burner will not turn on automatically. I have not seen anywhere in the codes that any state requires a cookstove to have safetys on the top burners.
I'm gonna sound like an idiot but why is it so bad that you can still turn on the gas when the power trips? We had a massive power outage a couple of years ago and it was a lifesaver to still be able to light the stove to boil water and have a cup of tea.
I agree, ours works without power. The ignition thing doesn't works, but gas does.
That's my first thought. Gas ranges only uses the electric for the pilot and control panel. The knobs are mechanical for the gas lines. The irony is the this is a defect with the inspector.
it is a defect because without power this is basically a gas leak on demand. I love gas stoves too but they NEED power to monitor its status(gas content, ignition, air mixture, etc.)
ofc you can be very careful and use it with no power, but not everyone is smart enough to deal with it, hence the "NEC code".
@ddjohnson9717 not my stove. As long as the knobs are in the off position, no gas in leaked. If I were you, I would buy a new stove.
I would actually like 30 minute vid of all the defects.
Glad to see there is a reason one room is cooler than another! Got to double check my vents!!
The HVAC as far as the auxiliary drain or secondary should be piped outside not capped. Also why is the return plenum not insulated? Even if it was air conditioning only both the supply and return should be insulated in any attic cause it will effect the efficiency more than people think it does.
0:40 where is the drainage system?
1:10 You can turn the handle and turn on the gas on all stoves that are not energized.
2:30 new homes have the drain at the bottom of the heating unit drain pan and never on the side.
2:44 the main condensation line is usually connected to a sink drain on the floor below the heating unit and the secondary drain line, which is supposed to be on the bottom of the heating unit pan, is supposed to be set to drain water outside of the home, usually over a window so when it is draining water that is an indicator to the home owner that the heating unit main drain line is clogged.
2:50 In California
the kitchen hood vent duct is supposed to go straight up unless it is a multifamily home with another home above.
In California, no inspector would ever sign off on the final inspection to allow for occupancy of a home with all these errors.
20+ years ago it was easy to find city Inspectors who sold inspections.
The reason why it’s preferred to cap an emergency drain pan is because if water is continually leaking into the pan, the safety switch won’t trip since the pan never fills up and the customer never realizes water is in the pan until it’s rusted through.
Good / reasonable theory. However, another option is route the pan drain line over a door that will be used regularly, or over a porch / lanai / garage, so the owner will see it right away. HVAC’s rarely shut down when it’s convenient, so at least with an open drain on the pan, you can continue to operate the AC until a Service Tech can make it there. As a Custom Builder, I stopped installing AH’s in attic spaces over 15 years ago. Much easier to service on a verticle platform in a dedicated closet and the unit lasts longer / runs more efficiently in conditioned space. The sq. footage loss (referenced by this inspector) is negligible. IMO, if a floorplan can’t sacrifice 6-8 sq. ft. somewhere… that’s a tiny house. ✌️
If the pan drain is capped and the float switch is not working (I recently replaced one) then the overflow can cause ceiling/wall sheetrock damage.
Is it possible that the last HVAC register is twenty degrees warmer because it is fed by a section of uninsulated duct that runs through a hot attic?
Good finds! Keep it up. From a fellow home inspector in Richmond VA.
Dont all stoves allow gas to flow without power? Electicity is just needed for sensors, push controls and pilot ignition. The knobs are mechanical and most people would consider it a feature to be able to use your stove without electricity
Correct good sir! That was stupid garbage he must have been short 3.2 seconds on his video length.
It annoyed me so much I googled it some newer stoves have a cutoff. But why shouldn't I be able to use my stove when the power is out.
The Interlock Feature
While older stoves may be usable during a power outage, most new models will not be. Before trying to cook with your gas stove, check your range’s manual to see whether it includes an interlock. The interlock is a feature that prevents any gas from entering the appliance unless there is electricity. It is a safety device that was once common only to commercial ranges but now is common in residential ones. If your oven has an interlock, check out the other ways to cook during a power outage below.
Nope. Without power any newer gas appliance should not allow the valves to operate.
I dunno why anyone would have a misconception that new constructions dont need inspected....
I would like to hear somebody justify a reason after saying something so dumb like that. Imagine all the defective products you would have if there wasn't some quality control and inspection process. A person would have to be insane to not have something inspected that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to be built. Then you have these builders that say the inspectors can't go in the attic around the roof. Just as insane.
Having a wet switch in the fan coil overflow pan is always ideal and the pan drain piping ( if installed) should terminate to a very noticeable location inside or outside to alert you of a problem.
I do appliance repair and those manifolds will always have gas in them as long as the supply line's valve is opened.
Now, what you turned is a mechanical gas valve. The electric bit is known as a switch harness. This switch harness is actually a separate component that clips onto those valves in a series and back to the spark module. Moving that knob will open the gas, but the switch harness will only be able to spark if there is electricity.
Basically, you are supposed to be able to do that. Also, this applies to every major manufacturer.
as a hvac service tech i understand capping the drain most home owners won’t know anything is wrong and the insulation inside your air handler is getting soaked the entire time the main drain is clogged if the float switch shuts the unit off then they’ll call you. also as a service tech it’s not fun to have to empty a pan full of water from an attic so a drain would be nice pros and cons either way. most air handles have a secondary drain i prefer to run that one to an inconvenient spot, over a door way, and hope the owner calls if it starts to drain that way you have to have 2 clogged drains before you get a pan full of water and a soaked air handler
Being able to light the stove with a match during a long ass blackout will be nice to boil water and cook food. To hell with electronic stoves bring back the standing pilot.
If power is out your ventilation won't work. You aren't supposed to gas stoves with no ventilation. A bunch of people died in Texas from using their gas stoves with no ventilation.
@@thursdaythought7201 Because they were using it for heating. Not eating. Millions of people use gas stoves to cook food without the HVAC running everyday. No problems.
The best pan for under the air handler is the plastic version (rust proof) with the drain on the back side with a ball valve and pipe to the eaves.
We need specific code references. Thx.
Some might say it’s only cosmetic, but IMO any Builder that claims a home is ready for sale, but doesn’t enclose the range / micro / hood vent pipe inside a finished chase that matches the interior cabinet finish, doesn’t pay attention to the level of finish like I do. Most Cabinet Sub-Contractors include them. JS.
His is an example of the kind of work done by flipper. I know this particular house is new. My next door neighbor bought a house from a flipper. It had these problems and more. The basement flood if the rain fall is heavy.
I've owned 5 homes. ( not all at once. I move alot) Had them all inspected. They ALWAYS miss something major. I feel like it's a waste of my money. My current home, I had to put almost $6,000 right off the bat from things missed.
Hopefully you know electrical does not power the gas flow of a gas powered range, only the igniter. Also, even if the igniter was working, the countertop receptacle outlet would not provide power to the range. Two dedicated countertop circuits are required for kitchens, a range cannot be powered by the dedicated countertop circuits
That could be a D R Horton home. Wait, it would need another 35 issues.
Of course you can still turn on the gas on the range😂
Some stoves have a powered solenoid that close with the loss of power most Kitchen Aid , I agree though it's not a fault
@@Hockey27tom I wouldn't want that feature. How am I supposed to cook if the power goes out?
Were the cabinets and microwave at gas appliance height. Didn't look like it, way too low.
i see most of the problems where havc related, probably because cheap builders using wall jumpers to doo the work . i see it all the time in Georgia, shity work
Looks good from my house Johnny. Lol
Dude! I hate vertical video with a passion but something really bad happened to your video @ 1:44 The content of your video was on point though. 👌
The pan drain. You cannot run the pan overflow back into the main drain line. If the main drain clogs up with alge or dirt then the backup drain outlet on the HVAC unit will release the overflow into the pan. The pan could have an emergency drain to the outside. It is normally placed where you can visually see the water dripping. The drain pan will not drain all the water out because the bottom of the outlet is about 1/4” above the bottom of the pan. A bottom draining outlet is better, but knowone knows how to build one except me.
Check the drain to see if it needs a trap or a vent.
Check the drain line to see if they are glued. The plumbing code does not require primer on HVAC drains. I can tell you that lines without primer and in a hot attic for 20 years will come loose and leak on your ceiling. Have another company redo the drain lines with primer. If a combination glue was used then redo anyway because you don’t know for sure without a color indicator.
I have firsthand experience of that issue where I was blowing air on a blocked HVAC primary drain line and it leaked some water on my garage ceiling. It looks like the joint might be coming loose. It does not leak during normal operation. I don't know why the code let's them get away with it.
Is the stove not supposed to have a gfci? If so why not?
stove needs to be on a individual loop. electric range will need 20 (40*) amp and gas will need constant power so there's no "no-ignite" status. no-ignite is basically a gas leak, which you can guess is bad.
@@ddjohnson9717I can see it needing its own 20 amp service. But why can't it have a gfci? You say it might cause a "no-ignite" status but that is no more dangerous than the power going out.
@@kevinmiller5467 no ignition means the gas is leaking from the stove, and that's dangerous? yeah sure YOU may be smart enough and not make mistakes but many other people will not realize the nob is turned and gas is leaking out of the stove without a fire, and soon either inhale too much CO or the gas has an explosion
I just reviewed the code, I think I know the problem - its not the GFCI, its the stove. without power the stove should auto lock preventing the gas from turning on, at least newer models should . I don't know enough about this matter, maybe the uploader can give us a pointer on what his referring to.
Too bad most of the comments seem to be coming from guys who know all about this stuff. The people who need to see this video are the poor schlemiels who buy houses like this. I suggest that simpler but more complete explanations of what's wrong would help them more. For example, not just "the drain is capped," but "this drain is capped. That's bad, because if this unit overflows, you want the water to flow into a long pipe which carries the water right out of the house."
Gas will always turn on, the electric start won’t work
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The biggest defect is the boring gray/white color scheme. Not much imagination in newer homes.
What a joke .
New construction means shit construction in my book, been a general contractor for about 20 years and one thing I learned is I hate fucking working on new construction, the houses are nothing compared to homes from the 50s and 60s, someone please explain to me how homes that are more than 50 years old hold up better than homes just a few years old, it's simple quality, guys now a days don't have any kind of workmanship or professionalism, but I have to thank all the idiots out there for job security...
It is actually very simple. Due to inflation plus some other factors costs of building a home are much higher then 20 years ago. But median wage hasn't kept up. So those people with the median wage are the ones that are looking to buy said home or more precisely get approved for a loan for said home. Something has to give and that's quality. Same reason appliances don't last as long. People with wages behind the inflation curve buy said appliances but want the modern features.. something has to give somewhere. And contrary to what people want to believe skilled labor in foreign countries isn't that much cheaper, so using as little quality material as possible is vital, hence the very thin flimsy metal bodies of most modern appliances. It's the taxes (or lack of), lack of environmental regulation (cough nestle pumping out all the ground water) and lower costs of transportation that lowers the cost for companies manufacturing overseas. Oh and lax safety, workers comp. etc.
@@Cragifiedyou love the word 'said' no need for it anyway!
PLEASE PLEASE don’t shoot videos in portrait format‼️NOBODY wants to see a large black bar on either side of your tiny video. Turn your smartphone horizontally to record your videos in LANDSCAPE format‼️That’s what the professionals do for RUclips and broadcast television.
this is where we are at in these modern times, going backwards with technology! amazing, but your correct, i do get sick of watching videos threw what looks like your viewing it threw a KEYHOLE of a door! wow!! isnt tech just junky these days!
If that's how they finished, imagine how they started. And carried on throughout. Inspections or no, lots of poor workmanship was most likely involved at all stages of the build. They really thought that it would pass? Would you want these guys as your mechanic? Then why would you want them working on something that you'll have a lot longer than your car?
How cheap, they didn’t install drawer and cabinet pulls in the kitchen
Name the builder.
I have never in my life heard of it being a problem that gas stoves can still work if the electricity goes out. What kind of nonsense is this?
Home inspectors needs to go to a how to hold a phone for video recording.
His issue with the gas stove is not valid. The top of the stove is set up so that if there is no power you can still light the burners with a match. Note that this does NOT apply to the oven. If there is no power the oven does not work and you cannot manually light it. This also applies to most gas fireplaces, if there is no power the unit is locked down and you cannot manually light it.