Quick PIR Calculation - 2 minutes, no fuss!!!!
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Just a very quick video on how to VERY quickly calculate PIR without the need for measuring jugs and spending half an hour messing around!!
After watching a few different (and sometimes very confusing!!!) videos on this, completely overcomplicating it, I've decided to do my own simplified version - for people like myself who don't like things to be over complicated!!
I appreciate that not everyone agrees with using a PIR to decide on their mixture, which is absolutely their decision. This is for those who do, and want a simple way to accurately calculate it!!
Enjoy :)
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Brilliant just brilliant. I was wracking my brains out trying to figure it out. Thank you so much 😊
Haha my simple mind needed a simple solution and too many videos on RUclips make this far too complicated!!! Glad you liked it Chris 👍🏼👍🏼
Best, shortest and most clear video of how to calculate the PIR for everyone's specific pressure washer! 👍🏻
Thank you Speedy - I've seen far too many over-complicated videos on this .. sometimes even the 'presenter' seems to have confused themselves halfway through 🤣
Thanks for watching it, hopefully you stick around, plenty more videos to come - I like to keep it simple for my own simple mind 🤣👍🏼
Brilliant explanation and hopefully makes it clear for those who don't quite understand what PIR is and how to work it out, thinking it's far too complicated and a waste of time.
We use PIR for everything that comes out of a spray bottle, pump sprayer or bucket, yet some people can throw hissy fits when it comes to foam lances.
That's why I put this out there, because I saw so many videos (from much larger and more influential channels too!!) That really just confused the issue... So I wanted to make it simple as I do think it can be a great tool for those who want to be as accurate as possible with their dilutions, rather than just 'throw 100ml in' 🙂👍🏼
@@SparkleanAutos exactly, or even worse when the manufacturers say put in one inch and fill with water!
😐😐 that's a definite bugbear of mine!! 1" in some of the newer wider-based lances is over 200mls!! 🤦🏻♂️
1 zero scales with bucket /weigh bucket serperatly
2.add 1 liter of water to foam lance
3.empty lance into bucket
4.weigh the bucket (KG=liters )
5.multiply the total by disired PIR
ie for 4%PIR ,Multiply the volume by 0.04-
Eg .9500ml x 0.04 =380ml /liter ¯\_(ツ)_/¯♥
Sounds about right 👍🏼👍🏼
So for a 1L foam canon i need to put 380ml of active foam inside? That’s almost half 🙉
If you want 4% PIR yes, but you might not need 4% and you wouldn't need a full litre for one car... I use half of that, 1L is just to make it easier to calculate 👍🏼
In fact very few snow foams would ever need anywhere near that amount... Bilt Hamber Auto Foam is the only one I can think of that most people use that much 👍🏼
@@SparkleanAutos Thanks man 💪
Thanks for this. Watched a couple of really convoluted videos, got totally put off then watched this and sense and sanity are restored!
Haha thank you!
I made this for that very reason... A lot of over-complicated waffle to explain something that should be fairly simple!!
Glad you found it useful 👍🏼
What an excellent video Mark. I think this maybe the best PIR video yet!
My simple mind needs to simplify these things!!
Glad to see someone else other than me who's figured out the whole 1 kg = 1 litre thing! The other videos are way over complicated as you rightly said. Great video 👍
Thank Steve lol so many of them had me baffled, and I already knew how to calculate it 🤣
@@SparkleanAutos 😂😂😂
If only more people knew that 1 kg of water = 1 litre of water 😂
🤣🤣🤣 if only there was a place we could send children to gain all of this knowledge! 🤔🤣
Your a Super Star....got the same snow cannon....and came up with the same result 95ml (for a a really dirty car 150m l did the trick)....thanks for confirming besta
Outstanding Andy 👍🏼👍🏼 glad I could help with my simple ideas 🤣🤣
You’re not wrong this is a much much easier way of doing it thank you !
Glad I could help 😁😁 don't forget to subscribe, who knows what other shortcuts I have that might help lol 🤣👍🏼
@@SparkleanAutos ha ha I’ll be watching for more shortcuts you’ve made it so much easier already I’ve been putting off working out pir 😂. Will subscribe now 👍🏻
@@gtails7584 good man 😁👍🏼 thank you 🤜🏼🤛🏼
Excellent. Thanks for the uncomplicated clarification.
🙂 you're welcome
At last PIR Simplicity!!!
Never thought about the weight, brilliant video mate, well done 👍
To be fair, the one from your Constellation Chemicals video was the simplest I'd seen (good video too!)... This kind of evolved from that lol 👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you for making this very simple and clear video
Not a problem Keyway... After watching so many ridiculously confusion videos I felt I had to lol
Great video. Will definitely write it on my garage wall once I’ve worked out each ratio. 👍🏻
Glad I could help 😁👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Good way of doing it ,like you said alot of people over complicate it ,👍
They really do and I hate overcomplicated nonsense!
Tbh I don't even do this anymore... It's easy to fall into a trap of being 'scientific about it, but really, what difference will 100ml per litre be over 92ml or 106ml for example!
It's great for testing, proper product comparisons... But for washing your own car at the weekend, does it really matter ?! 🤔🤔
@@SparkleanAutos to be honest I use the stuff every day and I just poor about 80,100 mil in and never had an problem with it 😂
@@simonmarsh5007 exactly 🤣👍🏼
@@SparkleanAutos it’s all a lot of bollocks mate if the customer is happy that’s all I’m worried about 😂
100% 🤣👍🏼
Easiest method I’ve seen to date!
Thanks Dave... Hopefully it helps some people! 🤞🏼
What a great little video, so much simpler and so easy you can even do it with one arm behind your back 😉
I can't wait for the neighbours to ask why I'm weighing a bucket in my garage! 😂
Ole! I'm here to help amigo 😉🤣
My neighbours already think I'm a weirdo who videos himself washing cars so weighing buckets of water on bathroom scales are nothing out of the ordinary 🤣🤣
@@SparkleanAutos Muchos gracias. 😂
Thank you.
👍🏼 you're welcome
This is the first video ive seen using weight and yes its a lot, lot simpler but still comes close to the average figure of 1% is 100ml diluted to 1 litre and this is the same irrespective of what methods of calculation I've seen used ......
Yes i know its hardly scientific but for say a 4% PIR I've seen fugures quoted of between 380-420mls of snow foam to 1 litre and lets face it most of us arent going to measure out exactly 380 or 420ml and will use our trusted kitchen jug and measure out roughly 400mls
You're 100% correct Peter... To be honest I do this once when I get a new machine or lance but results are always the same so for simplicity I just stick with 100ml/Litre is 1%
General I don't make up that much, but same principle so I use 30-40ml and make up a 300-400ml solution for 1 car! Why complicate it lol 👍🏼
@@SparkleanAutos ..... I trained as an industrial chemist so mixing up solutions was in the early years a big part of the job and it just cracks me up watching people say they've got 12 litres in a 15 litre bucket judging by the graduations on its side or measuring it out in a plastic kitchen jug that's accurate to about 50ml then saying the calculation is 388ml to a litre .....
I'm more worried that even with my new Karcher HD 4/8 pressure washer I'm still needing a litre to foam the whole car, it's a Skoda Superb Hatch so a big car, when I watch videos of folk doing there's with 400-500mls
Hi Mark!!
Great video, very good explanation about the Pir!
Well it is complicated all this detailing business!!🤣🤣
Great one sir!
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It can be Alan 🤣
I just like to make thinks as simple as I can! 👍🏼👍🏼
Superb simple video Mark, well done lad 😎👍🏻🏴
Cheers Random Person 😁👍🏼👍🏼
Easy no nonsense explanation :)
Thank you mate 👍🏼
Subscribed 😎. Thanks for this video. Calculating PIR made easy👍
Thank you sir 😁😁 I've seen too many videos making it sound far too complicated!
Good Info! Nice and simple
Some people over complicate it but it's really not that big of an issue! Hope you find it useful 👍🏼
I’ve got the same set up as you mate, so if I wanted to use half a litre 500mil how much product would I put?Pls
Well my calculations worked out at
380ml per liter for 4%... so every 1% would be 95ml per litre....
To be perfectly honest, for all the difference it makes I would just go with 100ml per litre for every 1% PIR...
So if you're only making up 500ml, then every 50ml of product would be pretty much 1% 👍🏼
At last a weigh to calculate ( get it lol ) you just earned a new subscriber
I see what you did there 😋😋 thank you Gaz, hope you stick around 👍🏼👍🏼
Well done mate, no faff objective met!
No time for faff 🤣👍🏼
Should you turn to Max on snow foam Canon?
Yes, always set the foam cannon for maximum pick-up (which is generally indicated as '-' on most lances... The + and - refer to water flow from the pressure washer, and less flow will increase pick-up 👍🏼)
Even simpler - just put 100ml of water into your lance and empty that then multiply by 10. Saves time spraying a whole Litre out
Whatever works for you 👍🏼
Fantastic video, so simple yet so over looked, great for my lazy ass and will probably result in me buying some AF after this video and the one by Davedoesdetailing.
Yes Dave's video was very good too... Good to see them being used in real conditions like that! Autofoam is an excellent pre-wash, even if people do give it a hard time for not being the thickest! Doesn't need to dwell if it does its job in less than 5 mins!
That’s a lot of product hey ? Has anyone tested bilt hamber at less than these to be more cost effective; how much reduction in effect do we see ?
Indeed, and when you reduce the dilution to say 100mls per litre of solution, it becomes less effective, in fact on cost-effectiveness, you need twice as much Autofoam compared with other leading products which cost twice as much per 5L... So effectively they cost the same per wash!
Some calculate Panel impact ratio as the total volume ml x pir% = product
By first filling lance with water to 1 litre then empty into bucket then weighting bucket of water (minus bucket) eg 10kg is 10 liters or 10000ml x 0.02 (for 2% pir ) = 200ml
That's exactly what I said in the video 👍🏼👍🏼
I have a Karcher K5 compact with an MJJC cannon on a stubby and I use 380ml of BH auto for the 1ltr canister. It does the job, but it is an expensive cost. I have not tried it with less, but this was what I got for 4% PIR. Am I wasting money?
Well it's not up to me to say what you spen money on lol but there are better value for money pre-washes/snowfoams out there than BH Autofoam! The 5L price makes it look really cheap but then, has you've discovered, you have to mix it up to ridiculous quantities to make it effective!
But if you you like the product, here's a couple of tips to save you money -
Firstly, if you're only cleaning one car, 500ml should be enough, so straight away you could knock half of the product out, now you're down to 190ml per wash .
Next - round that down to 150ml of BH to 350ml of water... Suddenly now your saving 230ml per wash over what you were using 👍🏼
Hope that helps a little? 👍🏼
@SparkleanAutos I have 2 cars. It does use less than 500ml per car, but it's still the same dilution ratio, lol. I decant what I dont use and use it for the next wash. I chose BH autofoam based on extensive research on feedback from many products on the market. I am considering using a weaker solution though.
I'm not saying Autofoam isn't effective, I used to go through a lot of it myself. But there are other pre-washes out there that you can use 1/3 to 1/4 the amount of product and still get the same results. I also find Autofoam, particularly at 4% PIR leaves a film on the car. Like I say, if you want to stick with it, try using less and see what results you get... But 350ml/L - 400ml/L does seem to be pretty standard for the majority of people to get 4% PIR 👍🏼
@@SparkleanAutos Thanks, I appreciate your reply. Do you have any recommendations for a cheaper alternative that gives the same or better results?
Cheaper per wash yes, but not cheaper per 5L container if that makes sense??
Everyone will have different preferences but here's a few I use (in alphabetical order to make it fair! Lol)
1. A-Kem PreClean & Ultra Foam (use A-Kem at 1:30-1:40 and then blanket with Ultra foam at 100ml/L
PreClean (Picture shows 'Articulate' but website is currently being updated due to rebranding 👍🏼)- www.a-kem.com/collections/pre-wash-1/products/articu?variant=31517859730
Ultra Foam - www.a-kem.com/products/ultrafoam-ph-neutral-snow-foam?_pos=1&_sid=7ee31b20d&_ss=r&variant=31517773906
2. AutoBrite Direct Citrus Wash & Magifoam... Use citrus at 1:20-1:30 and blanket with Magifoam at 100ml/L
Citrus Wash - www.in2detailing.co.uk/collections/autobrite-direct/products/autobrite-direct-citrus-wash?variant=40088605720655&ghref=3377%3A554508
Magifoam - www.in2detailing.co.uk/collections/autobrite-direct/products/autobrite-direct-magifoam-ultimate-prewash-snowfoam?variant=39874989981775&ghref=3377%3A554508
3. Garage Therapy One Snow Foam OR Zero Decon Shampoo - various dilutions on the bottles depending on usage but generally I use both at 100ml/L or less, so nearly 1/4 of the amount you'd need of AutoFoam 👍🏼
Zero DECON - www.in2detailing.co.uk/products/garage-therapy-zero-decontamination-shampoo?variant=32633137233999&ghref=3377%3A554508
One SNOWFOAM - www.in2detailing.co.uk/collections/garage-therapy/products/garage-therapy-one-snowfoam?variant=39646220419151&ghref=3377%3A554508
That's just a few recommendations of products that work for me and how I use them... Hopefully you find something tempting amongst it 👍🏼👍🏼
Hi Mark, nice, uncomplicated video. Just one thing (which I may have missed): When emptying the cannon reservoir, did you wind the feed to maximum, or did you leave it at a setting where you'd normally apply foam to a vehicle?
Hello and thank you 🙌🏼
That's a good point which I probably should have clarified! But yes, the dial should be set to maximum for this 👍🏼👍🏼
No worries, it doesn't detract from the content, which is unambiguous and straight to the point. I'm wondering whether it could be simplified even further. I was already on board with the weight vs volume thing (gotta love metric), before I saw your video.
I'm expecting a shed-load of gear tomorrow, including an MJJC. I thought I might just experiment with draining the reservoir and see how much is collected at 100cc/200/400/800 and finally 1ltr. If it's consistent from top to bottom weight wise, then 100cc volume collected x 10 x 0.04 might be an even quicker option. Just a thought. Thanks for the response 👌
I didnt know 1 litre of water weighed 1 kg ,I`m going to have to watch it a few more times for it to sink in .but thanks for video 👍
The metric system does have some advantages lol
PIR isn't essential, if you find a ratio of product that works for you then great, but if you do decide to go down this route to work things out then I hope my video helps 🙂🙂👍🏼👍🏼
Great stuff.
Thanks Phil 👍🏼👍🏼
Great example, I think ppl overcomplicate, try 200 product with 800 ml for rough 2%, see what the suds are like. Want more, add more solution, as you mentioned 4% for heavy soiled would be like 380-400 ml with 600 ml water. But for most that will be overkill.
That's exactly it Dino, nowadays I use PIR for testing products just to keep tests fair & equal, other than that, you just need a common sense approach and adjust your concentrations as you see fit 👍🏼👍🏼
And If I used 500ml then I’d use 100 product and 400 water for 2% right?
Roughly yes, all set ups are different but for the majority, that would be close enough to 2% 👍🏼
Thanks for the video sir. So I just measured mine. It’s 17,000ml. After emptying the 1000ml foam cannon. Does this mean if I only need half that water (500ml) to go around my truck and I want to use a 2% PIR then I need to add 170ml (5.748oz) of product to my foam cannon? Pretty sure I got this correct just want to make sure I did it correctly once taking away 500 ml. Thanks again
Yes because 1% would be 170ml/Litre..
Although that does seem higher than usual... I would check your pick up pipe is definitely functioning correctly and that it's picking up liquid in the lance the entire time - most people use somewhere between 9,000 and 13,000 in total... 17 litres seems a lot. But if that is correct then your calculations are too 👍🏼
@@SparkleanAutos ok thanks. I’ll run the bucket test again to be sure.
👍🏼 tbh, for most it works out around 100ml per Litre for 1%... This is great if you want to work it out accurately but the difference (generally speaking!) may only be 15-20ml either side of that... I like working out PIR for product testing but it can be more of a pain than anything sometimes 🤣🤣
@@SparkleanAutos I actually just finished it again. I got 16KG and I made sure the pickup tube was covered by water the entire time this go around. I have a Active 2.0 pressure washer with a pf22.2 foam cannon using a 1.25 orifice. Can’t think of anything I missed. I had flow up and fan wide just like I do when I foam the truck. 🤷🏼♂️
@@dailyDIYdude if that's the result then that's the result lol
So yeah then, looks like for 2% PIR you'd need 160ml and 340ml of water (or 160-170ml if you take both tests into consideration but 10ml won't make much difference!).
Hi Mark,
Great video.
However I am still confused.
Why not sticking with the dilution provided on the instructions e.g 1:10 (1 part solution 9water) or whatever provided by the manufacturer?
It’s a considerable difference between using a 100ml solution (+ 900 water if you’re using a 1l snow foam lance) and using approx. 350 ml solution to achieve 4% PIR
Hi Gabriel and thank you.
That's an excellent point and for my day to day use that's exactly what I do... However some manufacturers, the most notable being Built Hamber, specify a PIR dilution rather than 1:10, as they recognise that a simple 1 to 10 solution will give different results for people using different equipment.
I'm not saying with this video that you should use the PIR method, in fact I rarely do, I'm just demonstrating an easy way to calculate it for those who wish to do it 👍🏼
@@SparkleanAutos Tanks a million Mark for make it clearer! Really appreciated!
All the best and keep up the good work 😀
🙂 not a problem Gabriel - I try to make my videos so that if I can understand them, anyone can 🤣👍🏼
I see a new mini series coming on ‘Sparklean simplifies’
Haha start throwing me a few ideas Nick, I'll see what I can do 🤣🤣🤣
How long do you let the foam dwell on the vehicle?
There's no single, correct answer to that question Joey, other than 'as long as possible'!! - it depends on the foam, the level of protection on the car (foam will fall off a ceramic coated car much faster than a car with no protection!), the temperature - there are so many variables.
Typically you want at least 5 mins and some foams will dwell for much longer. But if it's starting to dry out, get it rinsed off 👍🏼
Hi Mark, great video and very informative 👏👏. Have seen a few of your videos and like them 👍👍. Martin at OCD put me onto you in the first place so you have another subscriber to your great channel. Looking forward to more content 👍👍
Hi Paul, hope you're well 👍🏼 I appreciate every subscriber, especially those who take the time to comment, it really does help keep the motivation up! Martin has been a great supporter of the channel and a favourite channel of mine. My confidence is growing so hopefully the videos will keep getting better 😊
Thanks for subscribing and hopefully I'll see you in the comments sections 😁👍🏼👍🏼
@@SparkleanAutos yes I'm OK. Just rekindling a lost passion for keeping my vehicles clean. Having to learn it all again, but the various other people including yourself are a wealth of knowledge in all sorts of things. As I was told years ago no question is a stupid question if you DON'T know the answer!!!
@@paulquickmire4140 I couldn't agree more!! Not that I'm in anyway an expert in a position to answer said questions lol I'm just a bloke at home with a camera, a pressure washer and an unhealthy amount of cleaning products & cloths 🤣
I haven't been able to make too many videos lately as we've recently moved into a house that needs a LOT of work to turn it into a home, but I'm doing the work myself and it'll be worth it when I'm filming from my very own garage on a weekly basis - hopefully that's only mere weeks away!
@@SparkleanAutos well I'm just a bloke with a pressure wash and I'm starting to build an unhealthy amount of products 🤣🤣🤣. I need to sort out our garage so I build my own cabinets ready to take said products!!!!!!
@@paulquickmire4140 then you have the satisfaction of arranging them all - "now do I go by brand or by product type 🤔" 🤣
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Mark, out of interest, w
Do you have the mixer knob set to full?
Yes I do indeed.
I filled up a 5 gallon bucket and another half of a 5 gallon bucket idk how to measure this
That seems like an awful lot 🤔 I would check that your pickup pipe isn't blocked and that you have the dial set for maximum pick-up (i.e. thickest foam setting) and try again. Under normal circumstances it shouldn't take 7.5 gallons (which is 28-34 litres depending on whether you mean US or UK gallons) to empty a 1L lance. I would guess you've either a faulty lance, your pick up pipe is blocked (or at least not picking up liquid), or else your settings are wrong 👍🏼
@SparkleanAutos it is a 4000 psi pressure washer with a 3.5 gpm, idk if that matters
Well I still don't know if you're referring to UK or US gallons but that means between 780-950L per hour. That would be hugely greater than the average flow rates for a domestic machine, so there's no way that it should take 1 and a half large buckets to empty a 1L foam lance. Without seeing what's happening, I can only assume that there's either a fault with your equipment or an error in your testing 👍🏼
@SparkleanAutos us gallons and the tube might be getting caught at the bottom, I just bought it so I'll check
I think so, it should be picking up much faster than that 👍🏼
To empty my 1 litre MTM PF22.2 with my kranzle X10/140 it takes 17,75 litre's of water. 1% PIR = 177ml of snowfoam.. seems like a lot
That is a lot, I would suggest there's either a blockage in the lance pick up pipe, the lance itself, or else some sort of flow rate issue with your machine as it should be around half that! 👍🏼
@@SparkleanAutos both the kranzle and the pf22.2 are brand new. The kranzle has a flowrate of 10l/min, maybe that has something to do with it? On my older polar glym foam cannon i need 150ml of snowfoam for 1% PIR with 1 litre in the cannon.
My machine has the same flow rate and I've tested 8 different lances (very cheap to very expensive!) - and they range from 85ml/L to 95ml/L for 1%
Do you definitely have the adjustment dial turned all the way to maximum pick-up on the lance too?? And you're sure the end of the pipe is submerged in the water throughout??
I'm not being condescending btw, genuinely trying to figure out the issue because that definitely seems far too much for a machine if that spec 👍🏼
@@SparkleanAutos do you have some tips on what I can do to test what is wrong?
First thing I would do, to rule out any issues, is do 2 tests, one with the lance's dial adjusted fully clockwise, the other fully anti-clockwise... See if there's a significant difference. When it comes to the Kranzle itself I'm not an expert so if the issue isn't with the lance you may need to speak to someone more familiar with the machine.
Remember too that if you're adding, for example, 100ml/L and you're happy with the foam then maybe the PIR isn't all that important 👍🏼👍🏼
so your adding 380ml of product and 1litre of water into the lance. A total of 1380ml of solution in the lance. cheers
I'm sorry at what point in the video did I say to ADD 380ml and 1 Litre together?!? I've just watched it again myself to check if I'd made a mistake but nope, I don't see that part so perhaps you could enlighten me?!?!?!
@@SparkleanAutos calm down. im not having a go. im asking if u add 380ml of snow foam to 1litre of water. is it just 380ml of product in the lance and nothing else?
@@toploader6398 lol I'm absolutely calm my friend, it's 380ml PER litre with the calculation I did... Not 'on top of' a litre... Hope that clears it up 👍🏼🤣
Cheers mine was 12000ml
So 12,000x 0.04 = 4%
Exactly 👍🏼 so 480ml per litre if you want a 4% PIR 👍🏼
@@SparkleanAutos only taken me a year to get round to doing this ,thank you
Looks like all along I've not been using enough
@@jezlucas3878 well, there are a lot of over-complicated and confusing videos in this subject so hopefully mine made it a bit simpler!! 👍🏼
Way too much twoddle spoken about dilution rates of foams and finally it's made easier... just don't adjust your lance once youve done it
Mine is turned up to 11 permanently 🤣👍🏼👍🏼
@@SparkleanAutos can't be doing with watery foams.... might be OK for urban cars but when I can do 1000 miles a week in all weather's I want that foam to stick on and soak that crud away
I definitely want to know that it's doing something! I don't want to just spray stuff on for photos like some do!