Some would call this “primitive” technology, but clearly a lot of thinking was involved in designing and building these engines. Very nice, thanks for the vid.
So hit n miss engines only strike when the flywheel rpm drops enough, to give the flywheel a push and keep it rotating, then waits until the flywheel speed drops again. Quite interesting. I would imagine these engines are pretty fuel efficient?
@Poly Bun If my knowledge is correct, these engines were in use before anti-knock additives were added to gasoline so compression couldn't be very high because of knocking.
@Mo no I'm sure most of the time was idling because he was grinding cornmeal at Canton Texas. So he definitely didn't need it grinding constantly. But he left it running the whole time
Nice job on the explanation. I have been collecting and working on these engines for 40 + years. I've heard a lot of people trying to explain and it didn't sound like they really even understood it themselves. These old engines are pretty fun, in the early days everybody tried to come up with new ideas of ways of doing things just a little differently.
Hi, If you want a garage full of these hit-miss engines....the local Craigslist-Roseburg, Oregon free section, ( or the antique section), has a guy trying to find a home for his collection....make offer....that's why I'm here looking at what one looks like, etc.....I'm thinking these hit-miss engines could realy come in handy in the near term....bet for fuel, you can subsitute regular fuel to kerosene, or other.....
That's how I have to start my snowmobile it will only run when you first start it with the choke but it will take off because it will hit like 6k rpm so I have to cut it when rpm get high I could just adjust the carb but this way is more entertaining
Man. Thank you for that. I have always wondered. But never been able to find anyone who really knew. Only ever found these type of motors after my grandpa passed. Turned out the last one operating an oil well in my area was actually installed by my grandpa around 1950. And still runs today. Thank you so much for this video.
Bagot Corner well for me you did. I have a great understanding of 2 stroke and 4 stroke engines but could not grasp how a hit and miss engine could keep running. Thank you again.
Glad to see ppl still interested in these old girls! And well done on the explanation of them. I have some of them my self. But more into the diesels. My boss collects them. I have worked on all of them an made lots of parts for them. Not something u can go to Napa to buy parts for lol.
Larry Scott glad you liked it . The intake valve is so incredibly simplistic . Requires no timing other than to have the exhaust valve close at the correct position and for there to be compression /suction
Excellent tutorial video. I bought a 1923 1.5 hp Fuller and Johnson yesterday. It runs, but needs tuning. This is my 2nd hit and miss engine. Fun hobby to get involved in.
dale pratt I agree. I wish there was a way to up vote quality videos like this and make it like protube or something .. rather than just anyone uploading any old crap video .. I am glad I came across this video though he is great
wow Vince, you took me back to uni with that one. reminded me of one of my old lecturers. loved the video and the editing was awesome! very professional video!
We have an old John Deere "one lunger" that we still use to split wood with a screw splitter. It just won't quit. I sounds like it's ready to die every few seconds, but it just keeps on chuggin'. As long as it has fuel and a few drops of oil on the moving parts it will not stop.
Well, I don't know if "charming" is the word I would choose, but tough, reliable, simple and bullet proof would be better descriptors (much more manly than charming) lol
This is probably the most comprehensive video explanation I've seen on how the hit and miss engine works. I now have a much better understanding on this wonderful machine...😬 Thank you sir 🫡
Interesting. I've seen these engines around on YT. They look pretty cool. I'm a scrapper (scrap metal) I sometimes find interesting things out and about. I'd like to be able to restore stuff but I'm not very mechanical. I saw a comment of yours on Ian Matthews video so I thought I'd check out your channel. Good stuff. You have a ton of subscribers but you can't have too many. Liked and subbed.
My compliments on an excellent video describing a portion of history that is a mystery to many and not even known by most. I have the Australian version made by Westinghouse - Rosebery in Sydney. It is of 1937 build, fitted with the Wico EK magneto and originally powered a concrete mixer.
Brilliant explanation Thankyou. Hit & Miss engines are my most favourite to listen to 😊👍🙏 the slowed down parts of the video to see the detail is most helpful.
Follow-up, I know this wouldn't be "period correct" but perhaps leather covers could be made to cover the sides of the connecting rod big end to keep dirt from getting onto the surface. Perhaps just a skirt tied down to the machined part, or a larger cover across the main bearings like a 'T'. Could work :)
I attached a smaller hit and miss (from and old washing machine) to a high wheel velocipede and was stopped by the local constable for operating the motorized apparatus on a bicycle trail in the same town your engine was produced. The matter is set to be heard before a magistrate forthwith. My solicitor assures me that all is well, to fear not.
A beautiful piece of engineering, I'd have it as an ornament but then I'd be devorced! Hmmm sound's better by the second lol. They knew how to build to last back in the day's eh! Did you clean it up and paint it yourself? STUNNING JOB👍😉👌
Bagot Corner .. just curious how scripted is this you are extremely knowledgeable. Was there a lot of post processing. honestly the production value here is TV Worthy
+Kyle B as far as organizing my thoughts ,I jot down talking points for videos like these . Same as the shear pin vid . I just jot a few talking points pre recording ,then some vid clean up and that’s about it . It’s been very very cold here this winter so production has stalled on a lot of projects . Finally this week we’ve had a break in the weather ,,so this spring I’ll be back at it again weekly .
That’s an excellent question . I’ll just throw a few things out , fuel delivery systems were poor until the mid 20’s . I have early 1920’s 4 strokes that do have governors and aren’t hit and miss . It may be that they they were a tech that just held on till about 1935 and then finally ended . There were however a lot of crossover years . You do pose an excellent question
+Diesels For life thanks buddy ,, Part 3 coming on 1.5 hp herc. Fitting and grinding valves and stems and cutting seats . Lots of numbers Come back again 😊👍
Good morning , thanks for stopping in . Theyd have been used to do anything an electric motor does now. Run a lineshaft, well pump, grinder , etc. Have a nice day
Yep ! Madison . I think it seems complex to many ppl because of the systems at work . They’re simple to Look at but not simple if you’re the first one to develop a design . Takes plenty of thought and testing
+Raymond J It Will fire every 2 rotations of the crank as long as the governor isn’t latching the exhaust valve open . It will latch it open if the governor is below the determined rpm limit . The max hp is generally stamped on the tag ,for example 1.5 hp at 600 rpm
Awesome technology. So does a two stroke fire every revolution where a four stroke fires when the rpm starts winds down (when the governor makes it fire)?
Hi Robert , You’re mixing two systems together . A 2 stroke requires 1 full revolution of the crankshaft to complete its cycles and a 4 stroke requires 2. There are also governed 2 stroke engines like Maytags for example . Governing isn’t specific to 2 or 4 . It is a system of limiting rpm . Thanks for commenting , sorry I’m late to answer you
A normal throttle governor four cycle fires every fourth stroke and controls speed by varying fuel volume with the butterfly valve. Hit and miss only fire when needed so it saves wear on ignition parts and saves battery life.
Another difference, this type of hit and miss coasts longer because the exhaust valve is held open and there is no compression resistance. A regular throttle governor engine coasts while also doing compression strokes which slows the engine down.
First you slip on the oil next to the top off tank. Then you need to use a hammer to get the foot peg out of the flywheel as it's stuck. Then you need to use a hammer to get the foot peg out of the flywheel because you had oil on your shoe and it popped back into the flywheel becoming stuck again. Then you kick the engine over 4 or 5 times till you remember you didn't prime the day tank. Then you kick the wheel over half a dozen times till it starts up. You wait. You wait some more. You know the second you leave the engine room it's going to stall out. Then you leave the engine. Then you repeat all the same steps because as soon as you left the engine room it stalled out.......
+Ric Trexell hi Ric , Nah ,.you have to realize that the age of hit and miss was in the early days of gas engines . It was the least complicated method of managing Engine speed . After this ,,throttle governing was and is the method
OK thank you I was wondering because there’s very mixed answers on that some people will say they will produce more torque and a more even amount and some people will say there’s no advantage they’re just cheaper thank you
So as a relatively young man (31) who grew up on my grandparents farm in the middle of Indiana, I've been fascinated with these engines for ever. What I've never understood is how the "miss" happens. I know the governor stops it from firing, but to me it seems that there is a weighted arm that is caught and when it goes to fire it tries to let go of that arm, if it's moving fast enough then it catches it again before it can fall, thusly inducing the miss, and if it does fall it hits and then the arm is thrown back forward to get caught again. Is this anywhere close to correct?
twistedyogert used for running various pieces of equipment as the main source or secondary source through a line shaft . Mills , grinders , cutters ,separators ,saws, pumps . Mowers
If one of these was under load, like powering a saw mill or farm machine, would it fire continuously, as long the rpm’s don’t get to high? In other words does it only miss when not under load?
@@mplsmark222 it depends how great the load. If the flywheel slow down enough for the governor to unlock the trip, then it would literally fire continuously. It’s all about flywheel speed, and the centrifugal force opening the governor weights
@@BAGOTCORNER thank you. Do you know, as a general rule how much of their rated horsepower could they put out for extended work.? If they were to be pushed beyond what they could pull, do they just stall, or could they explode?
@@mplsmark222 tough to say on hp , but they were designed to put out that hp at a rated rpm . Say 500. Obviously less hp if the load keeps it below that rpm. Increasing the load will eventually just stall the engine
cool old engine,i have seen one mounted on a garden tractor at the same show R.K. goes to riding around. perhaps one day i will get one,maybe.... have you seen shopdogsam,s videos??? he has ALOT of engines,and is a good cook to boot!!!!!
Yep Rog ,seen him ,,watched his stuff for years . Seems to be sort of lacking content lately though or maybe he's just getting old. He's one of my subs
i know he was building a new shop,maybe thats why. speaking of content,i plan on putting out a video by Friday. i just picked up a really nice vintage craftsman metal lathe plus some other goodies
Powering anything that needs to run at a constant speed. We have the same thing now except the governor actuates the throttle plate. These old engines had very heavy flywheels so they would keep spinning smoothly when not firing.
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Some would call this “primitive” technology, but clearly a lot of thinking was involved in designing and building these engines. Very nice, thanks for the vid.
Thanks for watching
Primitive also translates to high reliability. These days every thing modern requires delicate care and maintenance.
@Ahmadsyar you are correct!😊
@Ahmadsyar you are correct!😊
So hit n miss engines only strike when the flywheel rpm drops enough, to give the flywheel a push and keep it rotating, then waits until the flywheel speed drops again. Quite interesting. I would imagine these engines are pretty fuel efficient?
PunakiviAddikti you nailed it !
Thanks for watching :)
@Poly Bun If my knowledge is correct, these engines were in use before anti-knock additives were added to gasoline so compression couldn't be very high because of knocking.
@Delta Fox A good way to apocalypse-proof your home.
Saw a guy today with a bigger one and he said five gallons last him 4 days 18 hours a day
@Mo no I'm sure most of the time was idling because he was grinding cornmeal at Canton Texas. So he definitely didn't need it grinding constantly. But he left it running the whole time
I'm 42 and have heard these engines run all my life and never knew how they worked until now
Nice job on the explanation. I have been collecting and working on these engines for 40 + years.
I've heard a lot of people trying to explain and it didn't sound like they really even understood it themselves. These old engines are pretty fun, in the early days everybody tried to come up with new ideas of ways of doing things just a little differently.
Hi, If you want a garage full of these hit-miss engines....the local Craigslist-Roseburg, Oregon free section, ( or the antique section), has a guy trying to find a home for his collection....make offer....that's why I'm here looking at what one looks like, etc.....I'm thinking these hit-miss engines could realy come in handy in the near term....bet for fuel, you can subsitute regular fuel to kerosene, or other.....
Thank you very much for this video. I'm about to buy a couple of engines from my elderly long time client. Can't wait !!!
+Matt Taylor good luck .
Message back so I can see them run 😊👍
Modern hit n miss engine. When the throttle cable breaks and you jam it flat out, turning the ignition on and off lol.
Lol exactly it buddy !!!
the explosions out of the exhaust when you turn it on and off
+Andy [Xvixx] you ain’t wrong Andy :)
That's how I have to start my snowmobile it will only run when you first start it with the choke but it will take off because it will hit like 6k rpm so I have to cut it when rpm get high I could just adjust the carb but this way is more entertaining
That makes a lot more sense. I saw a few hit miss engine videos and I thought they were just crappy old engines that barely worked.
Thanks, I had seen one of those engines at a fair when I was a kid. I wondered why the engine was firing every so often. Now I know thanks to you.
richgg2 thanks for stopping in 👍
Glad I was able to clear it all up 😊
Man. Thank you for that. I have always wondered. But never been able to find anyone who really knew. Only ever found these type of motors after my grandpa passed. Turned out the last one operating an oil well in my area was actually installed by my grandpa around 1950. And still runs today. Thank you so much for this video.
Stephan Gardner I’m glad it helped you out .
Still a running today ! That’s pretty cool
Where are you located
@@BAGOTCORNER north Texas on Lake texoma
Stephan Gardner ahhh way down there !
@@BAGOTCORNER ruclips.net/video/nlON4rpvGGQ/видео.html here's the one I saw today. In a few days I'll get a video of the one my grandpa installed
thank your for such a great video , i just picked up an engine from my father inlaw thats used to ru a pump on the family farm
That’s great ! What type of Engine is it ?
Thanks for stopping in 👍🏻😉
What a wonderful clear video. really like how you zoomed in to key parts, etc. Thank you for this!
Blackice Network thank you 😊
Very well explained. I never knew or could figure out how these engines worked. Thank you for sharing 🇨🇦❄️
Paul LeMay thanks Paul for coming by .
I hope I was successful in properly and clearly explaining it all :)
Bagot Corner well for me you did. I have a great understanding of 2 stroke and 4 stroke engines but could not grasp how a hit and miss engine could keep running. Thank you again.
Hi Vince, Great video. It brings me back to a very happy time with my dad. Thank you.
Good job. Always wondered why they miss.
Now I understand. Thank you for a clear and concise explanation
Glad to see ppl still interested in these old girls! And well done on the explanation of them. I have some of them my self. But more into the diesels. My boss collects them. I have worked on all of them an made lots of parts for them. Not something u can go to Napa to buy parts for lol.
Diesels For life lol well that’s why I have a lathe and Mill .
Anything a man has made can be remade 👍
Thanks for stopping by 😊
About critical questions were answered. Most enlightening is the intake valve. And 2 or 4 stroke.
Good vid.
Larry Scott glad you liked it .
The intake valve is so incredibly simplistic .
Requires no timing other than to have the exhaust valve close at the correct position and for there to be compression /suction
Great Explanation... You Answered All My Questions in The Video
Excellent tutorial video. I bought a 1923 1.5 hp Fuller and Johnson yesterday. It runs, but needs tuning. This is my 2nd hit and miss engine. Fun hobby to get involved in.
John Clark hope to see it run
I’m a video 👍😊
Good tutorial on these engines. Thanks.
The best and most comprehensive explanation of the principals of a hit and miss engine, cleared up a lot for me. Thanks for this upload.
dale pratt thanks Dale ,
That's what I was aiming for and I'm glad I was able to help someone 😊
Sure thing. :-)
dale pratt I agree. I wish there was a way to up vote quality videos like this and make it like protube or something .. rather than just anyone uploading any old crap video .. I am glad I came across this video though he is great
+Kyle B that’s super nice of you to say Kyle !
Want to come hang out tomorrow with my friends and I ?
We host a live show Thursday’s 👍😊
Truly a master class on the hit and miss engine, and the cinematography is fantastic. Thanks!
+brian.dudek thanks Brian 👍
+brian.dudek thanks Brian 👍
Excellent explanation! Thank you for taking the time to explain the hit and miss operation.
Thanks Collin 😊👍
Kudos on the video camera work .
An excellent video and educational talk .
Thank you
Just getting into these on a model scale but looking at larger ones to collect because I can listen to clickety clack all day long.
bfarm44 which models do you have ?
wow Vince, you took me back to uni with that one. reminded me of one of my old lecturers. loved the video and the editing was awesome! very professional video!
Lol that has got to be the most polite way I've ever heard that something was as boring a hell! 😊
Lol...I loved my time at uni..and I appreciate a good educational aid such as this video. So thank you Dr Vince phd
We have an old John Deere "one lunger" that we still use to split wood with a screw splitter. It just won't quit. I sounds like it's ready to die every few seconds, but it just keeps on chuggin'. As long as it has fuel and a few drops of oil on the moving parts it will not stop.
+SixStringLove Guy they sure are charming aren’t they :)
Well, I don't know if "charming" is the word I would choose, but tough, reliable, simple and bullet proof would be better descriptors (much more manly than charming) lol
Outstanding video, I love that Engine. I can watch that thing all day long and never get bored.🇺🇸✌️
Great demonstration and explanation of how hit and miss engines generally operate.
cfaber thanks very much ,,I hope you didn’t fall asleep 💤
Very interesting and a beautiful old engine, thank you for sharing
David James thanks for the comment and thank you for stopping by 👍
This is probably the most comprehensive video explanation I've seen on how the hit and miss engine works. I now have a much better understanding on this wonderful machine...😬
Thank you sir 🫡
Great video on a poorly understood process. Well thought out camera angles too.
It’s so cool how many machines have places I live near etched on them. Chicago, Milwaukee, Madison ,Racine, Kenosha etc. I love to see it
Interesting. I've seen these engines around on YT. They look pretty cool. I'm a scrapper (scrap metal) I sometimes find interesting things out and about. I'd like to be able to restore stuff but I'm not very mechanical. I saw a comment of yours on Ian Matthews video so I thought I'd check out your channel. Good stuff. You have a ton of subscribers but you can't have too many. Liked and subbed.
Thanks very much 😊
Thank you sir, i'm about to buy one myself and trying to understand the principle of hit and miss. You helped a lot!
Jan Jansen glad it helped you .
Just message me if you need any help .
I’m always working on them
My compliments on an excellent video describing a portion of history that is a mystery to many and not even known by most. I have the Australian version made by Westinghouse - Rosebery in Sydney. It is of 1937 build, fitted with the Wico EK magneto and originally powered a concrete mixer.
I’d love to see it !
Do you have any video or photos ?-
Brilliant explanation Thankyou. Hit & Miss engines are my most favourite to listen to 😊👍🙏 the slowed down parts of the video to see the detail is most helpful.
Glad it was helpful 👍
Follow-up, I know this wouldn't be "period correct" but perhaps leather covers could be made to cover the sides of the connecting rod big end to keep dirt from getting onto the surface. Perhaps just a skirt tied down to the machined part, or a larger cover across the main bearings like a 'T'.
Could work :)
+Gentleman Hooligan that’s a great idea!
All of this and safety is why they eventually went to enclosed cases.
glad you like it, would be a neat build video and experiment
Excellent video! Never saw how they worked and along with you explanation, i now understand! Thank you!
Subbed you , thanks for stopping by 👍😊
Thank you,nice presentation.
Thanks for making this, i appreciate it.
Glad it was some help
How is your new car?
Well, it hits and misses, you know.
Great video!
Thank You
Nicely explained, thanks. And A nice engine too!
Duncan MacKenzie thanks Duncan !
Miguel Pagan Sr it IS a 4 stroke ,and no ,it’s not complicated .
Excellent explanation. Very nicely done.
The ElVerma gracias !🧐
Beautiful. Wish my bike was that simple lol
Very interesting to a late model mechanic.
I attached a smaller hit and miss (from and old washing machine) to a high wheel velocipede and was stopped by the local constable for operating the motorized apparatus on a bicycle trail in the same town your engine was produced. The matter is set to be heard before a magistrate forthwith. My solicitor assures me that all is well, to fear not.
northerniltree you have to be careful to not have too much fun :)
northerniltree ahh laddie... you ‘idn’t has no loicense fah that fangled motah caht did yahs?
Dry, yet informative. Thanks!
jeric_ synergy lol i aim to please 😂
Very informative, and interesting, good job.
A beautiful piece of engineering, I'd have it as an ornament but then I'd be devorced! Hmmm sound's better by the second lol. They knew how to build to last back in the day's eh! Did you clean it up and paint it yourself? STUNNING JOB👍😉👌
Looking at this it’s very interesting how that did this mechanical back then. This would be much easier now with Electronic Fuel Injection
Excellent video. Great quality. Well explained. Great Work!
+Kyle B thanks Kyle 👍
Bagot Corner .. just curious how scripted is this you are extremely knowledgeable. Was there a lot of post processing. honestly the production value here is TV Worthy
+Kyle B as far as organizing my thoughts ,I jot down talking points for videos like these .
Same as the shear pin vid .
I just jot a few talking points pre recording ,then some vid clean up and that’s about it .
It’s been very very cold here this winter so production has stalled on a lot of projects .
Finally this week we’ve had a break in the weather ,,so this spring I’ll be back at it again weekly .
thank you for the detailed explanation
red66chevy thank you for stopping by !
I really do appreciate it 😊
Very Nice Job On Your Video,OMG Those Engineers Were Sharp ,No Computers,Amazing !!!
Thanks Greg 😊👍
I already know how one worked I just wanted to see how you explained it☺️
+BOB White lol 😊did I do ok Bob?
Bagot Corner
Outstanding. The slow-mo helped visualize what I already knew was going on.
Bagot Corner
Now to go find one for myself.😊
A truly useful video, well presented
Very interesting 👍 so I have one question. Why hit and miss and not hit hit like todays motors?
That’s an excellent question .
I’ll just throw a few things out , fuel delivery systems were poor until the mid 20’s .
I have early 1920’s 4 strokes that do have governors and aren’t hit and miss .
It may be that they they were a tech that just held on till about 1935 and then finally ended .
There were however a lot of crossover years .
You do pose an excellent question
@@BAGOTCORNER thanks 👍
@@SomeplaceOrAnother if you find out ,, let me know ! 😊
Very good explanation sir.
VEMWMIKE thanks Mike 👍
hit and miss Engine are amzing its sad that we now electricity and not these wonderful engines
I have one that hasn’t ran in long time, where can I get help to get it going? And what’s the price range on theses?
+BIG Z what kind of help do you need ,where are you located ?
Price range ? 600-800
Bagot Corner boss has mill and lathe as well. If he didn’t hobby would be expensive lol. And no problem keep up the good work and videos.
+Diesels For life thanks buddy ,,
Part 3 coming on 1.5 hp herc.
Fitting and grinding valves and stems and cutting seats .
Lots of numbers
Come back again 😊👍
Great video thank you!
I get it now. Thanks.
Ask a Chevy owner they can tell you how they work
Chris n Tracy Maze lol ! There ,,my laugh for the day ! 😂
Found. On. the Road. Dead.
I bet u drive a toyota
Charles Youngs nah I actually own a 2000 Monte Carlo ss bro and a ford
+Chris n Tracy Maze lol are you guys still going on about this ?
I’m happy with my Nissan Pro4
Very cool to see such old engine in working condition! What was the actual purpose of such engine? Best regards from Ukraine, Odesa!
Good morning , thanks for stopping in .
Theyd have been used to do anything an electric motor does now.
Run a lineshaft, well pump, grinder , etc.
Have a nice day
Made in "Mad Town", nice. To be honest, this feels more complex than a two cycle lawnmower engine.
Yep ! Madison .
I think it seems complex to many ppl because of the systems at work .
They’re simple to
Look at but not simple if you’re the first one to develop a design .
Takes plenty of thought and testing
How much torque do these engines make?
Great vid.
Really good
great video well explained i never knew how they worked . thanks alot. ill bet they are great on gas ha?
+Raymond J thanks for stopping by Ray !
Lol yep ,good on fuel as long as they aren’t under load :)
when there under load does it fire every time or will it still miss cause thats how it controls the rpm?
+Raymond J It Will fire every 2 rotations of the crank as long as the governor isn’t latching the exhaust valve open .
It will latch it open if the governor is below the determined rpm limit .
The max hp is generally stamped on the tag ,for example 1.5 hp at 600 rpm
+Bagot Corner correction ,,it will latch it open if it is “ABOVE” the rpm preset
thank you so much i love these engines they sound so cool have a great day buddy !
Awesome technology. So does a two stroke fire every revolution where a four stroke fires when the rpm starts winds down (when the governor makes it fire)?
Hi Robert ,
You’re mixing two systems together .
A 2 stroke requires 1 full revolution of the crankshaft to complete its cycles and a 4 stroke requires 2.
There are also governed 2 stroke engines like Maytags for example .
Governing isn’t specific to 2 or 4 .
It is a system of limiting rpm .
Thanks for commenting , sorry I’m late to answer you
Those are cool crazy motor's I wonder what the advantage to that was over the standard 4 stroke motor! Great explanation!
A normal throttle governor four cycle fires every fourth stroke and controls speed by varying fuel volume with the butterfly valve. Hit and miss only fire when needed so it saves wear on ignition parts and saves battery life.
Another difference, this type of hit and miss coasts longer because the exhaust valve is held open and there is no compression resistance. A regular throttle governor engine coasts while also doing compression strokes which slows the engine down.
Thanks very cool info. Thanks for explaining that. I will sure have a better appreciation for them now.
Thank you
Awesome sir keep it up full support to you
First you slip on the oil next to the top off tank. Then you need to use a hammer to get the foot peg out of the flywheel as it's stuck. Then you need to use a hammer to get the foot peg out of the flywheel because you had oil on your shoe and it popped back into the flywheel becoming stuck again. Then you kick the engine over 4 or 5 times till you remember you didn't prime the day tank. Then you kick the wheel over half a dozen times till it starts up. You wait. You wait some more. You know the second you leave the engine room it's going to stall out. Then you leave the engine. Then you repeat all the same steps because as soon as you left the engine room it stalled out.......
I'm still super confused so i'll probably have to watch it five more times 😂
why would they have an engine like that?
Why in this style ? Or what were they used for ?
So what is the purpose of a H&M engine? Fuel economy?
+Ric Trexell hi Ric ,
Nah ,.you have to realize that the age of hit and miss was in the early days of gas engines .
It was the least complicated method of managing Engine speed .
After this ,,throttle governing was and is the method
What were the advantages of hit and miss from a regular gas engine other than fuel consumption
Good morning ,
There were realistically no advantages and are none .
Cost was the issue .
Making affordable throttler engines was more expensive .
OK thank you I was wondering because there’s very mixed answers on that some people will say they will produce more torque and a more even amount and some people will say there’s no advantage they’re just cheaper thank you
@@soggyspaghetty5799 they do def provide a more even delivery of power .
Beautiful engine
Thanks Buddy 👍😊
It still seems like a very advanced invention
Where a lot of advanced thought had to go into
Guessing because im not an engineer
Def not simple if it had never been conceived .
Someone had to come up with the initial principle ,, then the refining
Whats the purpose of these? I know they are efficient and reliable but why use these and what would you use these in?
Smart men
So as a relatively young man (31) who grew up on my grandparents farm in the middle of Indiana, I've been fascinated with these engines for ever. What I've never understood is how the "miss" happens. I know the governor stops it from firing, but to me it seems that there is a weighted arm that is caught and when it goes to fire it tries to let go of that arm, if it's moving fast enough then it catches it again before it can fall, thusly inducing the miss, and if it does fall it hits and then the arm is thrown back forward to get caught again. Is this anywhere close to correct?
nice video, and great explanation, have you seen 805ROADKING's video on HIT & MISS ENGINE TUTORIAL video?
Josh Kilen hi Josh ,
Yep ,Rk and I are buddies 😊
Sure makes you wonder about how someone thought this all up.
Ron West very intelligent folk ,,,no doubt !
What were these used for mostly? Generators? Water pumps?
twistedyogert used for running various pieces of equipment as the main source or secondary source through a line shaft .
Mills , grinders , cutters ,separators ,saws, pumps .
Mowers
Cool my papa had 3 or 4 hit n miss engines it’s cool how they work isn’t it?? I think it is
+Loves miny bike Builds are fun sure is !
Thank you for stopping in 👍
Cool video. Subscribed
Thanks Abe ,, and thanks 😊
What year is it? My F&J is 1922 serial no. 89216. Yours must be pretty early.
FlatBroke612 1917 buddy 👍
Serial 57313
If one of these was under load, like powering a saw mill or farm machine, would it fire continuously, as long the rpm’s don’t get to high? In other words does it only miss when not under load?
@@mplsmark222 it depends how great the load.
If the flywheel slow down enough for the governor to unlock the trip, then it would literally fire continuously.
It’s all about flywheel speed, and the centrifugal force opening the governor weights
@@BAGOTCORNER thank you. Do you know, as a general rule how much of their rated horsepower could they put out for extended work.? If they were to be pushed beyond what they could pull, do they just stall, or could they explode?
@@mplsmark222 tough to say on hp , but they were designed to put out that hp at a rated rpm .
Say 500.
Obviously less hp if the load keeps it below that rpm.
Increasing the load will eventually just stall the engine
Isn't it strange that just 1 horse power is not appreciated because 1 horse is powerful
Absolutely !
Look at the 150 case steamer .
170 hp but over 5000 torque !
I always assumed that they missed because they did not have ignition timing... I did not realize it was a speed control method
Absolutely .
The ignition timing is the same revolution after revolution , it never changes .
What does change is compression/ suction
It's the machine from Charlie in the chocolate factory
Fat Assassin lol was there such a machine in the movie ? 😊
cool old engine,i have seen one mounted on a garden tractor at the same show R.K. goes to riding around. perhaps one day i will get one,maybe.... have you seen shopdogsam,s videos??? he has ALOT of engines,and is a good cook to boot!!!!!
Yep Rog ,seen him ,,watched his stuff for years .
Seems to be sort of lacking content lately though or maybe he's just getting old.
He's one of my subs
i know he was building a new shop,maybe thats why. speaking of content,i plan on putting out a video by Friday. i just picked up a really nice vintage craftsman metal lathe plus some other goodies
+roger oconnor get that video rolling buddy ! I want to see it!
They are easy to work on
+YUKI JINJUJI they could be ! 😊
I have a pancake muffler that is louder. Can you tell me what type of muffler is on this engine? Thanks🇺🇸
these are so fucking cool.
They sure are ! Best go get one 😊👍
What would be the benefit of having such an engine?
Joel 1 in what respect ?
Do you mean now or then ?
Powering anything that needs to run at a constant speed. We have the same thing now except the governor actuates the throttle plate. These old engines had very heavy flywheels so they would keep spinning smoothly when not firing.
So this is the infamous Ford motor