How in the world can you justify at around 2:00 into this video that a book with 10-15 Spine Stress defects (possibly with color breaks) would be in the 8.0-8.5 range? It's clearly noted in the most current Overstreet Guide To Grading Comic Books on page 24 that the number of acceptable defects for a 8.0-8.5 is between 4 & 7. With 10 defects, the best a book should see is around a 7.0 and if it has 15 defects, the best it should see is around a 4.0. Even those are a maybe depending on what makes up the list of defects on a specific comic being graded which could drop the grade even lower. The only way I can see CGC giving a different grade for that many defects is if CGC developed your own grading standards by which you follow. Which if that is the case, how can anyone trust the grade given if we don't know what and how CGC is grading a book because your standards are not published publicly?
While I agree 10-15 stresses is probably excessive for an 8.0 - 8.5-- definitely if there are multiple color breaks-- I don't think counting each individual spine stress as a separate defect is necessarily what was intended by the Overstreet guide.
What about vertical spine stress where there’s color break on the edge going up and down. Seems a lot of them come that way when shipped from the factory.
I think those are negligible, but too much of it can lower the grade. I've seen 9.8 books with quite a bit of those vertical color breaks. Of course, don't take my word for it, but this is a bit of a mystery until we get some clarification.
@@allisknu11 Thanks for your response, I never would have thought 9.8's could have those vertical lines. Good to know. God and CGC move in mysterious ways 🙂
I would like to know about vertical stress from the factory as well...brand new black ink cover with visible stress vertically from the factory...not bent...just a crisp edge that couldnt hold the ink.
I'm waiting on two to come back now that got graded 9.0 and 8.5 the first says light spine stress and the second says moderate spine stress. I can't wait to see them since ccs pressed them and my video of them before I sent them show such little stress, no color breaks, that a press should have fixed it.
I've always considered a book with 10 to 15 spine stresses with color break to be in the 5.0 to 7.0 range (assuming it doesn't have any other significant defects.) To grade comic books the way this CGC guy is suggesting would mean that the vast majority of comic books would be 8.0 or higher. That sounds ridiculous. On the bright side however, for me personally, is the fact that my comic book collection grades higher than I thought (and is thus worth more money), if you go by the CGC standards.
Amazing Murfinator1028 Agreed. Older books SHOULD have more leeway, considering that the upgraded paper of today is far more "durable" than Golden and Silver Age books.
Is age a factor in the price or quality of a house? No. Is age a factor in the price or quality of a car? (Many vintage vehicles cost several million dollars?) The answer is no. Is age a factor among applicants to college. No! A standard is a standard -- no matter how old something is. When it comes to identifying the best, and maintaining the highest standards, you don't grade on a curve. Either you meet the standard... or you don't!
I know the term has been around a long time, but calling ALL these things spine "stress" (whether they break color or not) is a misnomer and causes confusion. "Stress" sounds like something that does NOT break color like a bend or a fold, and is therefore fixable. I can understand calling that spine "Stress." But once the bend or fold breaks color, you are beyond the word "stress." The paper is now just plain old BROKEN and should be accurately described as such. And the word "stress" just doesn't cut it any more. Once a bend or fold breaks color, a STRONGER word should be used to describe the defect like spine "cracks", "broken" color, or at they very least a "tick."
Short, informative and to the point. I like it.
How in the world can you justify at around 2:00 into this video that a book with 10-15 Spine Stress defects (possibly with color breaks) would be in the 8.0-8.5 range? It's clearly noted in the most current Overstreet Guide To Grading Comic Books on page 24 that the number of acceptable defects for a 8.0-8.5 is between 4 & 7. With 10 defects, the best a book should see is around a 7.0 and if it has 15 defects, the best it should see is around a 4.0. Even those are a maybe depending on what makes up the list of defects on a specific comic being graded which could drop the grade even lower.
The only way I can see CGC giving a different grade for that many defects is if CGC developed your own grading standards by which you follow. Which if that is the case, how can anyone trust the grade given if we don't know what and how CGC is grading a book because your standards are not published publicly?
While I agree 10-15 stresses is probably excessive for an 8.0 - 8.5-- definitely if there are multiple color breaks-- I don't think counting each individual spine stress as a separate defect is necessarily what was intended by the Overstreet guide.
What about vertical spine stress, so there is a colour break running vertical along the spine?
What about vertical spine stress where there’s color break on the edge going up and down. Seems a lot of them come that way when shipped from the factory.
I think those are negligible, but too much of it can lower the grade. I've seen 9.8 books with quite a bit of those vertical color breaks. Of course, don't take my word for it, but this is a bit of a mystery until we get some clarification.
@@allisknu11 Thanks for your response, I never would have thought 9.8's could have those vertical lines. Good to know. God and CGC move in mysterious ways 🙂
I would like to know about vertical stress from the factory as well...brand new black ink cover with visible stress vertically from the factory...not bent...just a crisp edge that couldnt hold the ink.
I'm waiting on two to come back now that got graded 9.0 and 8.5 the first says light spine stress and the second says moderate spine stress. I can't wait to see them since ccs pressed them and my video of them before I sent them show such little stress, no color breaks, that a press should have fixed it.
Who else cringed at 0:58 ?
Is there a way to prevent it? Even how careful i am to my comics this spine stresses still appear on my comics.
I've always considered a book with 10 to 15 spine stresses with color break to be in the 5.0 to 7.0 range (assuming it doesn't have any other significant defects.) To grade comic books the way this CGC guy is suggesting would mean that the vast majority of comic books would be 8.0 or higher. That sounds ridiculous. On the bright side however, for me personally, is the fact that my comic book collection grades higher than I thought (and is thus worth more money), if you go by the CGC standards.
I think it's about quality not quantity. Also, traditional grading for comics allow for all sorts of defects once you hit the 8 range.
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If a comic book has just one or two spine stresses with color break? I've seen books with 9.8 that has 1 or 2.
What about 3 I have one with 3 but everything else looks great on the book
@@deadpoolMAX951 could be possible in an 9.2 or 9.0 I suposse.
@@miguellavado8089 I hope man that would be great even an 8 I’d be happy with
@@deadpoolMAX951 Sure it is. if not an 8.5 or even 8 . Not less.
@@miguellavado8089 cool I appreciate your help I’ve been collecting for a long while but trying to learn more on grading/grades thanks again!
hey, my spiderman 1 should have been a 9.6
I thought the intro was from stock moe
why is it that the age of the book is never a factor? a book from the 60/70s should have more leeway than a modern book
Because a grade is a grade.
From what I've seen, they ARE more lenient on older books, especially with page colour.
Amazing Murfinator1028 Agreed. Older books SHOULD have more leeway, considering that the upgraded paper of today is far more "durable" than Golden and Silver Age books.
Is age a factor in the price or quality of a house? No. Is age a factor in the price or quality of a car? (Many vintage vehicles cost several million dollars?) The answer is no. Is age a factor among applicants to college. No! A standard is a standard -- no matter how old something is. When it comes to identifying the best, and maintaining the highest standards, you don't grade on a curve. Either you meet the standard... or you don't!
Igaveyoumyfakename well said.
good tips, wipe down book in case of fingerprints, then less people will cry
This. Wash your hands, thoroughly. If you have sweaty palms, wear gloves. If you have very dry hands, you will probably get away with it.
I know the term has been around a long time, but calling ALL these things spine "stress" (whether they break color or not) is a misnomer and causes confusion. "Stress" sounds like something that does NOT break color like a bend or a fold, and is therefore fixable. I can understand calling that spine "Stress." But once the bend or fold breaks color, you are beyond the word "stress." The paper is now just plain old BROKEN and should be accurately described as such. And the word "stress" just doesn't cut it any more. Once a bend or fold breaks color, a STRONGER word should be used to describe the defect like spine "cracks", "broken" color, or at they very least a "tick."
Who else cringed when he bent the book?