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My best suggestion for anyone looking to buy or maybe already has one of these, throw an EQ in the effects loop. It really brings these little monsters alive. So many more tonal options appear on the second channel. Even a cheap 5 band Behringer pedal will suffice.
There's no EQ that'll help the ZoMBie II; too much focus on Gain. It's as if JOYO said 'this one's for Metal, and Metal alone.' The MeteOR is almost as severe.
Thanks for sharing this, I was just thinking about buying a boss GE-7, and was wandering after the videos I’ve been watching if it would be a good option for the jackman
@@barrygomez5968the zombie is very usable.. you just need to find the right speaker for that amp. The best combo in my opinion is V30s and Hemp backs. This video didnt capture the best of that amp
The playing in this is just badass as hell man, thanks for this video. Helped me buy the Zombie II and the Jackman II 🙂I run em in stereo, sounds huge!
This is exactly what I have been looking for since these little guys came out I'm surprised there isn't a video of anyone running both at the same time
i lost the war against my head and had to buy all three of them and the tweedy..meteor is my favourite, second zombie, third boosted tweedy with joyo king of king pedal (amazing), least favourite is the jackman, sounds just weak to me compared a/b to the other heads, will send this back, cheers 🎸
I'm gonna get the Meteor2 I think. I prefer the saturation over the Jackman and it is more versatile than the Zombie. That coupled with a Tonex pedal must be a killer combination.
@@beefnacos6258 I had some interuptions as two movings and this months is a bit harsh in term of money but hopefuly in july I'll order the set I mentioned and tell you about it. Not still sure about Tonex though, we will see.
I have a Jackman and the other guitar player in my band has a Silver Jubilee 25 W and I have no trouble keeping up. The thing is just a beast! Love that amp.
@@davidstokes4630 I'll be honest, I don't know if it was a bad batch, but a whole lot of these Bantamps started to malfunction at one point. They wouldn't produce anything except static. I thought it was too many for a company that was building its reputation, like JOYO.
Great comparison of these 3 amps. I always wondered whether to go with the Meteor or the Zombie & settled on the Zombie. I have the first model not the Zombie 2, which I like that they included the footswitch and separate controls for the 2 channels as the volume difference between the two channels is very different, the clean tone you turn the volume up but the you switch to the gain channel and the go deaf with how loud it is.
Thank you sooooo much for this! Unreal comparison, so thorough! My vote is JOYO Zombie II clean, JOYO Jackman-II (JCM800) OD, they should have just made that......
In my ears, the Mesa Boogie based Zombie sounds the meanest but the rawness from the Jackman leaves me breathless while those cleans from the Fender based one is so spring fresh pristine.
@daniellamberty65 yes... MeteOR, for ORange. ZoMBie, for Mesa Boogie. JaCkMan, for JCM800. They all have capital letters in their names that stand for the real amp they're copying. Check the other ones they sell.
Bought a Zombie 2 last year, and currently using his preamp, running through the power section of my Bugera G5 head...sounds more tubey, and less solid state...which sounds killer for any Rectifier type tones!
Great video. I am impressed that you were able to set the amps up in the exact same spot each time.. or is this post production editing work? Either way, great demo. Thanks!
Thanks. Yeah it's very hard. I mark with Black tape the back corners of the amps so I can line it up exactly each time I swap them. Takes a long time 👍
@@MegaAndyGG I think you need to run them into a speaker cabinet and use a microphone to record. They do not seem to have direct input for a sound card or interface.
What is unbelievable is how good the whole range is for the price! They really do simplify things down and make you work for your tone, in the fingers as always! I have a JackMan and a Tweedy. JackMan is better with LP style, or to the point humbuckers. Tweedy is better with single coils. Particularly P90's really come alive with the Tweedy. I don't use pedals with these, i have a VERY Koss like Agile 3100 LP style that just comes alive with the JackMan, and Koss never used pedals. My Agile AD201 and Harm, both with P90's are awesome with the Tweedy, really growl! When you consider the price, it's ridiculous, gunna get the Meteor, and a Bluejay for my 12 string.
The headphone out on these amps has very weak amp sim on it, so if you get one of those generic active micro-DI pedals like from Monoprice or whatever, you can put it in the loop and the two amp speaker sims layered on top of each other actually sound quite good. Hell, I even use the amp's regular 8 ohm out with that thing in the loop and power a PA speaker directly. I have the Jackman II and the Meteor II, and use them in tandem for a stereo prog/extreme metal rig. The Jackman on edge of breakup and the Meteor on full clean sounds amazing on a single coil or HP90 neck pickup.
@@russellkane9439 use a speaker sim or cab IR in the FX loop. Mooer Micro DI, Mooer Radar, Mooer Cab X2, Behringer Ultra G, or any similar unit. Also, the headphones out disables the speaker out. You can't use a cab and the headphones out at the same time. Using something in the FX loop is more useful because then you can use a cab to monitor AND send to the PA or Front of House, or if you need a silent stage, just run back into the FX Return and then run a cable from the headphones out.
@@Deeznutseighthundredthirty the spot in the gain structure where a clean amp starts to break up, but doesn't go into full overdrive, but isn't completely clean, either. If you search, you'll find videos like this one: ruclips.net/video/BRD4F4R0ZZE/видео.html Technically, some distortion pedals typically respond better to an edge of breakup tone on your amp, as opposed to light distortion or fully clean. BE-OD, Rat, DS-1, and HM-2 pedals are some common examples, as well as the Horizon Devices Precision Drive when you're using it as a full distortion pedal as opposed to an overdrive or boost. Hopefully that helps.
Thanks for another great comparison. I am impressed by the versatility and sound of the Meteor . the Jackman is quite cool but I find the Zombie too mid scooped.
@@coleryland4068 The Zombie has less mids because it’s copying an American amps tone. (More scooped mids, tight bass and clear highs) The British tone/gain structure is much more mid heavy. Like Marshall and Orange amps.
a bosted jack man or meteor everytime. the zombie sounds old skool metal and not vesatile imo. the jack and the met for me. ill pick the jackman :) great shootout. Thanks!
I'm so torn in between the Jackman and the Zombie! Love the Jackman's versatility and the Zombie's gain character, but since my main tone is just a hot crunch, I'm worried I won't be able to use the gain knob past 10% Low gain values would affect total master volume, right? I need to keep up with a drummer so will need as much of those 20w as I can. Now matter how cool the zero gain crunch tone on the Zombie might be, if volume goes too low, I guess I'm going with the Jackman
Jackman II sound like a real Marshall !! Nice !! Maybe need more acuracy on overdrive channel but no more than Mashall amp. Clean channel is just perfect.
First 3.5 mins I leaned towards the Meteor. Favoured the bite slightly over the Zombie. Then the clean channel. Oh wow... I don't get the JC - I mean Jackman though. Its a distant third to me. Doesn't feel like it should be in the same bracket as the other two. It doesn't seem to do anything, like clean, crunch, overdrive, particularly well. Its just meh across the board.
Just got my Zombie. I tried to pair the Bluetooth on my phone and my ipad but the bantamp isn't listed on the list of Bluetooth devices. I have the Zombie II
I really like Orange amps, Dark Terror and Tiny Terror are some of my favourite amps. I also really like all the Joyo stuff I’ve been trying recently, for the money it’s unbeatable. I also really like the Marshall Studio Vintage. Then there’s Blackstar who I think make the best digital amps, the ID stuff is brilliant. I just like good amps really doesn’t matter the brand 👍
Would love to, unfortunately I had the Mesa on loan. It remains one of my favourite amps. The Joyo sounds really close to the Mesa for high gain. The Mesa is way more refined for cleans and mid gain, but for high gain there’s really not a lot in it 👍
Hey Toby, I've had the Joyo " VIVO" For about 3 years now and have constantly Battled A bad Volume pot.... seems Impossible to get a Hold of them Direct..... Any Suggestions? The Cackle is Horrible Thanks In advance
Hmm yea it's often difficult with these inexpensive amps to get replacement parts. Have you tried e-mailing Joyo through their website? We're in the age of disposable things now where once you're out of warranty the response is often buy a new one. You may be best selling it with the fault stated and buying another one second hand 👍
Meteor seems to be best overall to my ears. Zombie for those who want the mid scooped modern sound. Jackman for the Marshall type sound which I don’t prefer.
Great comparison 😊 I think I may get all 3! Just as an extra question, do you need a load on these as it’s a solid state power amp or do you have to be plugged into a cab at all times?
Cheers, Unsure on the load. I've ran Orange micro amps without a load in the past and they were good with it. I'd guess it would be fine with these but might be worth checking with Joyo 👍
I was thinking about buying the Meteor II, after hearing this I think it will be the Jackman II then I might Pick up the Zombie II. I have a DSL100HR already but I really get tired of having to buy tubes every couple years for it because I play this crap out of it so much. Get costly. I hear these only have a 12AX7 in them? But yeah, the Meteor I was a little disappointed in how it just didn't have that punch. Something was dead in it to me that just doesn't cut through the mix well enough. Maybe with en EQ pedal and a boost pedal might change that. Oh well, great demo! Thanks!
The Zombie would be killer for black metal but I can't think of much else. Meteor definitely sounded the most pleasing to me, but the Jackman has a beautiful clean tone and nice drive as well.
It's got great cleans, actually. I have one, and it's got a very peculiar taste, for high gain sounds. A boost can help keeping the low end tight. What REALLY helps making the tone come alive is an eq in the loop, bécasse it's got something very peculiar in the hi mids that can make or break the sound, for the user. All in all, it's an excellent amp for the price and a good pedal platform.
Thanks for doing this. I'm listening on nice speakers but they all sound pretty bad to me. Cleans were surprisingly good though but low to high gain were not warm and tubey in the least
I've been tossing up whether to buy the Fender version of these amps to use solely for my pedals. It seems like a nice affordable and "clean" option. Edit: thanks for this vid. Maybe the FB next?
@@neoaureus I bought a Terror Stamp after I wrote that comment. It's a great amp and the same circuit as the Micro Dark (I believe). I too, run it through a 212 cab. Bloody loud for such a small amp. ✌️
Thanks for the great video. Do you need to use a speaker/cabinet simulation in your DAW when direct recording through the Phone Out, or it already comes with an embedded virtual speaker simulation?
I think it has cab sim on it, although what I would do is record both the Headphone out and the FX send of the amp DI'd into your interface. Mute the FX send channel on your DAW while recording as it has no cab sim and will sound harsh. Then when you are done recording add your own impulse on that FX send channel and mute the headphone out. It will sound better than the built in cab sim on the headphone out 👍
@@TobysGuitarGearDemos Thanks! Let me ask you a stupid question: I've seen tube amps with speaker (combos) with tubes for pre-amp and power amp stage. Are tube amp combos always like this where you have tubes for pre amp and for power amp? I always thought the pre amp section is the only one with some kind of power regulation.
There are solid state, hybrid and tube amps. Solid state are no tubes. Hybrid are just a preamp tube (usually, although some have just a power amp tube and no preamp tubes). And tube are fully tube-preamp and power amp. I’ve always felt it doesn’t matter what it has, as long as it sounds good 👍
@@con3ie593 Not 100% on what you are asking but yes it will be some sort of transistor system for preamp then a solid state power amp to bring the level up. I'm not super knowledgable on the technical side.
Hello. Can the BantAmp be used without connection to the speaker output and without connection to the headphone output at the same time, without harming the amplifier? Would the amplifier suffer some kind of damage at the moment or in the long run? I want to output the signal through the amplifier send to an audio interface to record the signal without cabinet emulation so that I can use my custom impulse responses, and at the same time I don't want to have headphones and/or speakers connected for a while, can this be done without damaging the amplifier? Thank you
My understanding is yes this is fine as it has a solid power section. So you can go out of the amps headphone out into your interfaces instrument input OR out of the fx send on the amp. I actually tried this last week going out of the headphone out (stereo cable) split into two mono jacks that went into my interface on 2 channels. I then ran the two notes wall of sound plugin. Works well once you’d balanced the amps level and your preamp levels 👍
@@TobysGuitarGearDemos I think you have misunderstood my question. I don't want to go from the headphone output to the interface in any way, the signal already comes out with booth emulation and the quality of that emulation seems to me to be of lower quality than the amplifier, therefore it is not a satisfactory recording option for me. I want to put my own booth emulation inside the Daw for which I need the direct signal from the preamp without booth emulation, from the send output of the amp. The Question Is! : On the BantAmp series amps. With the amp on!, can I go from the send out to my interface without having the speaker and headphones connected without damaging the class D amp? is the question I asked you in my previous message and in this one, It is just that what I need to know (yes or no, simple) and the answer is not in the manual, the Joyo people do not answer my email either, nor does anyone seem to be able to answer my question clearly and they answer other things If you know the simple answer, that's fine. n And if you don't know it, that's fine, I'll also appreciate your attention.
@@TobysGuitarGearDemos Hello. I already know that, but the question is without a speaker connected and without a headphone connected at the same time, only the guitar would be connected to the amplifier and the send to the interface, that is what I indicated in my question. Thank you
The zombie ...BY FAR!!!!! Killer modern gain...BUT with the most FULL clean sound ...I mean ..all you have to do is listen to the DEPTH of the zombie cleans......WOW ..and all this out of a lunchbox!!!!....hahahah
@@TazerGames Meteor is based on an Orange OR series and Zombie II is based on Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier. So Meteor is more for doom, psychedelic, sludge metal and classic rock whereas the Zombie is more for modern metal, particularly extreme metal. Both have lots of low end but Zombie is much tighter
Jackman + od boost at front = pretty much how jcm800 works best with Zombie + eq on fx loop = to shape your tone close to dual rectifier or markv These Bantamps invites me to a world of tube amps & cabs which is I regret selling but at the same time thankful for owning a couple of 50W+ EVH and Blackstar amps.
I always been partial to anything with Orange OR in the name and this is no exception. The Zombie is in line with the big original: scooped mud heaven, good for cleans with a treble booster or chugga chugga I can' hear you music ... no thanks. As for the jackman ... meh ... it's missing something but it does sound bad at all.
Hate to break it to any tone “purists” out there, but from what I’ve read, my understanding is that this is a “starved plate” design; and as such, the tube does little if anything for the tone. In other words, it’s basically window dressing that functions essentially as a light bulb, if that. Not saying they don’t sound good, however.
Hate to break it to you, but as someone who had three of this and played around with the valves, you are wrong. They do impact the sound, and they behave like you would expect a valve amp to behave. This is really clear in the BlueJay when playing with a hot humbucker x playing with single coils, its a very natural overdrive coming from the tube. So, sorry, what you read is wrong.
hate to break it to you but it really doesn't matter, a 12ax7 is pretty much two gain stages and all of these are much higher gain tha anything two gain stage in the tube amp domain which means that the overall sound is coming frome leds or op amps inside feeding a class d power amp and they do sound pretty damn good. orange is 4 gain stages with plate tonestack, marshall is 3+1 if you count the cathode folllower and especially if the third cathode resistor is 10k as the 100 watt. the mesa? it is five to six gain stages depending how you count and if you want the loop in there. So take the purist crap elsewhere because for how they sound these things should be praised for not using 300 volt 12ax7 that wouldn't do the whole path but add weight and cost. Weight for the mains transformer. Take a hughes and kettner, blackstar. Solid state boosted one preamp tube. Take the evh lbx. Mosfet drives the tonestack after the tube preamp. Heresy. Take the marshall vs100r. Starved plate and records were written and nobody cared and if you changed the tube the sound changed as well. So it does do something just not what one would think as what a 12ax7 does in a full tube amp. By definition none of the above are full tube amps.
The low plate voltage isn't necessary a bad thing, and when applied to a circuit like the Joyo it can go a long way in filtering and smoothing out the distortion. The 12AX7 is an integral part of the circuit... it takes a few seconds to warm up when powering on... just like your big 100w Marshall, etc. I'm a tube purist myself, and have the original 3-knob Zombie and love it 👍
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The Zombie had IMPRESSIVE cleans! Clarity and low end.
My best suggestion for anyone looking to buy or maybe already has one of these, throw an EQ in the effects loop. It really brings these little monsters alive. So many more tonal options appear on the second channel. Even a cheap 5 band Behringer pedal will suffice.
There's no EQ that'll help the ZoMBie II; too much focus on Gain. It's as if JOYO said 'this one's for Metal, and Metal alone.' The MeteOR is almost as severe.
The orange and jcm had very usable sweeps. The zombie tho🤮@@Da_Publick
Thanks for sharing this, I was just thinking about buying a boss GE-7, and was wandering after the videos I’ve been watching if it would be a good option for the jackman
@@barrygomez5968the zombie is very usable.. you just need to find the right speaker for that amp. The best combo in my opinion is V30s and Hemp backs. This video didnt capture the best of that amp
Another great review. The simplicity of the format is just perfect for actually making comparisons.
And the knobs are perfect for turning with one finger.
The playing in this is just badass as hell man, thanks for this video. Helped me buy the Zombie II and the Jackman II 🙂I run em in stereo, sounds huge!
This is exactly what I have been looking for since these little guys came out I'm surprised there isn't a video of anyone running both at the same time
Do you run em through the same cab or?
Great 1-1-1 comparison for every feature on these amps. Very informative.
i lost the war against my head and had to buy all three of them and the tweedy..meteor is my favourite, second zombie, third boosted tweedy with joyo king of king pedal (amazing), least favourite is the jackman, sounds just weak to me compared a/b to the other heads, will send this back, cheers 🎸
Спасибо! Скажите, пожалуйста, я вот как раз присмотрелся к варианту Tweedy, - как считаете это достойный комбик из всей линейки Joyo?
very cool to hear Tool and Billy Talent riffs instead of the usual stuff. Great video.
This demo convinced me to buy the zombie 2. Thanks bro.
Duuuudddeeee! I perked right up when I heard Billy Talent ripping! Great playing along with a darn good demo.
I'm gonna get the Meteor2 I think. I prefer the saturation over the Jackman and it is more versatile than the Zombie. That coupled with a Tonex pedal must be a killer combination.
So what happened?
@@beefnacos6258 I had some interuptions as two movings and this months is a bit harsh in term of money but hopefuly in july I'll order the set I mentioned and tell you about it. Not still sure about Tonex though, we will see.
I have a Jackman and the other guitar player in my band has a Silver Jubilee 25 W and I have no trouble keeping up. The thing is just a beast! Love that amp.
Gotta give it to the Jackman for being able to cover all the types of sound you were covering,. good job!!
Another perfect demonstration video. Great job as always. I'm a Marshall guy, so the Jackman is the one for me.
Beautiful playing, really showed what each amp could do! The Marshall, uhh I mean, The Jackman sounds the best all around, IMO.
Good, cuz that's what I just bought.
@@davidstokes4630 Wow, this was just before 'The Great Joyo Die Out.'
@@davidstokes4630 Wow, this was just before 'The Great Joyo Die Out.'
@@Da_Publick why... are they shit?
@@davidstokes4630 I'll be honest, I don't know if it was a bad batch, but a whole lot of these Bantamps started to malfunction at one point. They wouldn't produce anything except static. I thought it was too many for a company that was building its reputation, like JOYO.
I love marshall, the jackman sounds good enough to me. Bty good demo and nice playing🙂👍🏻
Great comparison of these 3 amps. I always wondered whether to go with the Meteor or the Zombie & settled on the Zombie. I have the first model not the Zombie 2, which I like that they included the footswitch and separate controls for the 2 channels as the volume difference between the two channels is very different, the clean tone you turn the volume up but the you switch to the gain channel and the go deaf with how loud it is.
thanks for no talking. this is a great demonstration. i think Jackman sounds great.
I appreciate that Tool riff. Thank you
Thank you sooooo much for this! Unreal comparison, so thorough! My vote is JOYO Zombie II clean, JOYO Jackman-II (JCM800) OD, they should have just made that......
@@colinc6031 My thoughts exactly. Good ear!
In my ears, the Mesa Boogie based Zombie sounds the meanest but the rawness from the Jackman leaves me breathless while those cleans from the Fender based one is so spring fresh pristine.
You gotta buy all three, lol
Isn’t the meteor based on the orange amp?
@@daniellamberty65 perhaps but I was talking about the Zombie and the Jackman plus the one based on Fenders.
@daniellamberty65 yes... MeteOR, for ORange. ZoMBie, for Mesa Boogie. JaCkMan, for JCM800. They all have capital letters in their names that stand for the real amp they're copying. Check the other ones they sell.
Bought a Zombie 2 last year, and currently using his preamp, running through the power section of my Bugera G5 head...sounds more tubey, and less solid state...which sounds killer for any Rectifier type tones!
The Jackman for the Win !
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Great video. Simple and on point.
For what i need zombie hands down. I bought one last week and was impressed
Great video. I am impressed that you were able to set the amps up in the exact same spot each time.. or is this post production editing work? Either way, great demo. Thanks!
Thanks. Yeah it's very hard. I mark with Black tape the back corners of the amps so I can line it up exactly each time I swap them. Takes a long time 👍
Can i record whit these? Using sound card?
@@MegaAndyGG I think you need to run them into a speaker cabinet and use a microphone to record. They do not seem to have direct input for a sound card or interface.
@@mykneeshurt8393 Ok, thanks!
SPIRAL OUT!!! KEEP GOING!!!
thanks for the shootout. I just picked up the Jackman 2
What is unbelievable is how good the whole range is for the price! They really do simplify things down and make you work for your tone, in the fingers as always! I have a JackMan and a Tweedy. JackMan is better with LP style, or to the point humbuckers. Tweedy is better with single coils. Particularly P90's really come alive with the Tweedy. I don't use pedals with these, i have a VERY Koss like Agile 3100 LP style that just comes alive with the JackMan, and Koss never used pedals. My Agile AD201 and Harm, both with P90's are awesome with the Tweedy, really growl! When you consider the price, it's ridiculous, gunna get the Meteor, and a Bluejay for my 12 string.
Running any of these through an orange pedal baby you have way more volume and the perfect amp situation for endless possibilities
The headphone out on these amps has very weak amp sim on it, so if you get one of those generic active micro-DI pedals like from Monoprice or whatever, you can put it in the loop and the two amp speaker sims layered on top of each other actually sound quite good. Hell, I even use the amp's regular 8 ohm out with that thing in the loop and power a PA speaker directly. I have the Jackman II and the Meteor II, and use them in tandem for a stereo prog/extreme metal rig. The Jackman on edge of breakup and the Meteor on full clean sounds amazing on a single coil or HP90 neck pickup.
Excuse i did jot understand can you please explain this to me?? If i want to co nect one bantam to a pa what i have to do (without microphones)?
@@russellkane9439 use a speaker sim or cab IR in the FX loop. Mooer Micro DI, Mooer Radar, Mooer Cab X2, Behringer Ultra G, or any similar unit. Also, the headphones out disables the speaker out. You can't use a cab and the headphones out at the same time. Using something in the FX loop is more useful because then you can use a cab to monitor AND send to the PA or Front of House, or if you need a silent stage, just run back into the FX Return and then run a cable from the headphones out.
What do you mean on edge of breakup?
@@Deeznutseighthundredthirty the spot in the gain structure where a clean amp starts to break up, but doesn't go into full overdrive, but isn't completely clean, either. If you search, you'll find videos like this one: ruclips.net/video/BRD4F4R0ZZE/видео.html
Technically, some distortion pedals typically respond better to an edge of breakup tone on your amp, as opposed to light distortion or fully clean. BE-OD, Rat, DS-1, and HM-2 pedals are some common examples, as well as the Horizon Devices Precision Drive when you're using it as a full distortion pedal as opposed to an overdrive or boost. Hopefully that helps.
Loving all the Billy Talent riffs!
Thanks for another great comparison. I am impressed by the versatility and sound of the Meteor . the Jackman is quite cool but I find the Zombie too mid scooped.
The zombie is literally the opposite of mid scooped there is tons of mids
@@coleryland4068 The Zombie has less mids because it’s copying an American amps tone. (More scooped mids, tight bass and clear highs)
The British tone/gain structure is much more mid heavy. Like Marshall and Orange amps.
Stop the cap bro bro
a bosted jack man or meteor everytime. the zombie sounds old skool metal and not vesatile imo. the jack and the met for me. ill pick the jackman :) great shootout. Thanks!
I'm so torn in between the Jackman and the Zombie! Love the Jackman's versatility and the Zombie's gain character, but since my main tone is just a hot crunch, I'm worried I won't be able to use the gain knob past 10%
Low gain values would affect total master volume, right?
I need to keep up with a drummer so will need as much of those 20w as I can. Now matter how cool the zero gain crunch tone on the Zombie might be, if volume goes too low, I guess I'm going with the Jackman
Jackman II sound like a real Marshall !! Nice !! Maybe need more acuracy on overdrive channel but no more than Mashall amp. Clean channel is just perfect.
Zombie 2 all the way
Love that you played TooL through it too
Each is just as awesome as the next.
Choices between the three could only be made on the basis of what you want to use it for - on what kind of music.
First 3.5 mins I leaned towards the Meteor. Favoured the bite slightly over the Zombie. Then the clean channel. Oh wow...
I don't get the JC - I mean Jackman though. Its a distant third to me. Doesn't feel like it should be in the same bracket as the other two. It doesn't seem to do anything, like clean, crunch, overdrive, particularly well. Its just meh across the board.
They all sound awesome
its incredible how these amps took perfectly the caracter of the real amps
Hey, and which are those? I've heard the Jackman is like a Marshall, what do the Zombie and Meteor take their sound from? I'm curious.
@@miguelbarrera8052 the Zombie its a clone of Mesa Boogie. The Meteor is a clone of Orange
zoMBie II (Messa Boogie dual recti)
JaCkMan (Marshall JCM)
MeteOR=Orange
Correct me if i'm wrong but i think the meteor is based on the Orange rockerverb
I'd like the Jackman clean sounds in the zombie.
Fantastic Demo, thank you
Just got my Zombie. I tried to pair the Bluetooth on my phone and my ipad but the bantamp isn't listed on the list of Bluetooth devices. I have the Zombie II
Yo what’s your favourite amp brand? Mine is orange and you do a lot of great stuff showcasing their stuff. Cheers
I really like Orange amps, Dark Terror and Tiny Terror are some of my favourite amps. I also really like all the Joyo stuff I’ve been trying recently, for the money it’s unbeatable. I also really like the Marshall Studio Vintage. Then there’s Blackstar who I think make the best digital amps, the ID stuff is brilliant. I just like good amps really doesn’t matter the brand 👍
The zombie II is awesome, it would be nice if you compare with the mesa boogie mini rectifier
Would love to, unfortunately I had the Mesa on loan. It remains one of my favourite amps. The Joyo sounds really close to the Mesa for high gain. The Mesa is way more refined for cleans and mid gain, but for high gain there’s really not a lot in it 👍
@@TobysGuitarGearDemos The high gain i like it, maybe the clean channel can be better with a compressor or a mxr micro amp
Others have, and it's really close.
Imho not a sound with a ton of nuance to begin with, but it sounds greatvin the room & recorded.
I played on Zombie, Jackman and VIVO. Think Meteor is the most versatility one.
Great comparison thanks!
zoMBie = Mesa Boogie
JaCkMan = JCM
meteOR = OR
Yes Billy Talent !
Very to choose, they all good little head.
Hey Toby, I've had the Joyo " VIVO" For about 3 years now and have constantly Battled A bad Volume pot.... seems Impossible to get a Hold of them Direct..... Any Suggestions? The Cackle is Horrible Thanks In advance
Hmm yea it's often difficult with these inexpensive amps to get replacement parts. Have you tried e-mailing Joyo through their website? We're in the age of disposable things now where once you're out of warranty the response is often buy a new one. You may be best selling it with the fault stated and buying another one second hand 👍
Meteor seems to be best overall to my ears. Zombie for those who want the mid scooped modern sound. Jackman for the Marshall type sound which I don’t prefer.
If you boost the clean channel of the Jackman, it sounds veeeeeeeery Australian. ;-)
Zombie is scooped and sounding like a boss mt2 pedal
Great comparison 😊 I think I may get all 3!
Just as an extra question, do you need a load on these as it’s a solid state power amp or do you have to be plugged into a cab at all times?
Cheers, Unsure on the load. I've ran Orange micro amps without a load in the past and they were good with it. I'd guess it would be fine with these but might be worth checking with Joyo 👍
@@TobysGuitarGearDemos thanks for that. Would imagine they’re ok without it but definitely best to check!
You don't need a cab connected
AMAZING VIDEO!!!
I was thinking about buying the Meteor II, after hearing this I think it will be the Jackman II then I might Pick up the Zombie II. I have a DSL100HR already but I really get tired of having to buy tubes every couple years for it because I play this crap out of it so much. Get costly. I hear these only have a 12AX7 in them? But yeah, the Meteor I was a little disappointed in how it just didn't have that punch. Something was dead in it to me that just doesn't cut through the mix well enough. Maybe with en EQ pedal and a boost pedal might change that. Oh well, great demo! Thanks!
I kinda felt the same about the Meteor. I was expecting more of that early 80s Scorpions tone. A compressor and an eq would get you there though.
The Zombie would be killer for black metal but I can't think of much else. Meteor definitely sounded the most pleasing to me, but the Jackman has a beautiful clean tone and nice drive as well.
It's got great cleans, actually. I have one, and it's got a very peculiar taste, for high gain sounds. A boost can help keeping the low end tight. What REALLY helps making the tone come alive is an eq in the loop, bécasse it's got something very peculiar in the hi mids that can make or break the sound, for the user. All in all, it's an excellent amp for the price and a good pedal platform.
clean - zombie
everything else - jackman
Thanks for doing this. I'm listening on nice speakers but they all sound pretty bad to me. Cleans were surprisingly good though but low to high gain were not warm and tubey in the least
jackman ii is the clear winner for me. maybe i should ge one someday... maaaayyyybe.
The Jackman. Hands down IMO.
Awesome demo my dude!
I've been tossing up whether to buy the Fender version of these amps to use solely for my pedals. It seems like a nice affordable and "clean" option.
Edit: thanks for this vid. Maybe the FB next?
I have a MicroDark Orange ….the clean tones are to kill for…I run it thru a 2x12 …and blows the competition away…,,got it at a throw away price…
@@neoaureus I bought a Terror Stamp after I wrote that comment. It's a great amp and the same circuit as the Micro Dark (I believe). I too, run it through a 212 cab. Bloody loud for such a small amp. ✌️
@@castleanthrax1833 …way to go..! Enjoy
Thanks for the great video. Do you need to use a speaker/cabinet simulation in your DAW when direct recording through the Phone Out, or it already comes with an embedded virtual speaker simulation?
I think it has cab sim on it, although what I would do is record both the Headphone out and the FX send of the amp DI'd into your interface.
Mute the FX send channel on your DAW while recording as it has no cab sim and will sound harsh. Then when you are done recording add your own impulse on that FX send channel and mute the headphone out. It will sound better than the built in cab sim on the headphone out 👍
@@TobysGuitarGearDemos Thanks for the info!
Hi there, which amp sounds closest to 311 (beyond the grey sky)? Thanks
Based on the distortion at the end of the song I'd go Zombie II 👍
Does anybody have any experience with using these in a rehearsal setting?
Zombie #1
#1 Jackman II
#2 Zombie II
#3 Meteor II
Does anyone know if the signal coming out of the effects send is at Line level or Instrument level ?
Good vid! what cabinet/speakers did you use?
Cheers, little Orange 1x12 with a G12H30 👍
@@TobysGuitarGearDemos Thanks! Let me ask you a stupid question: I've seen tube amps with speaker (combos) with tubes for pre-amp and power amp stage. Are tube amp combos always like this where you have tubes for pre amp and for power amp? I always thought the pre amp section is the only one with some kind of power regulation.
There are solid state, hybrid and tube amps. Solid state are no tubes. Hybrid are just a preamp tube (usually, although some have just a power amp tube and no preamp tubes). And tube are fully tube-preamp and power amp. I’ve always felt it doesn’t matter what it has, as long as it sounds good 👍
Also combos are exactly the same as a head and cab they are just combined into one box, some combos are solid state, hybrid or valve same as heads 👍
@@con3ie593 Not 100% on what you are asking but yes it will be some sort of transistor system for preamp then a solid state power amp to bring the level up. I'm not super knowledgable on the technical side.
Is it just me or does it seem like the orange clone sits between the zombie and jcm as far as gain and tonal sweep
The orange has the best sweep
Awesome
Very good review ! no bla bla ...Thanks.
Hello. Can the BantAmp be used without connection to the speaker output and without connection to the headphone output at the same time, without harming the amplifier? Would the amplifier suffer some kind of damage at the moment or in the long run? I want to output the signal through the amplifier send to an audio interface to record the signal without cabinet emulation so that I can use my custom impulse responses, and at the same time I don't want to have headphones and/or speakers connected for a while, can this be done without damaging the amplifier? Thank you
My understanding is yes this is fine as it has a solid power section. So you can go out of the amps headphone out into your interfaces instrument input OR out of the fx send on the amp. I actually tried this last week going out of the headphone out (stereo cable) split into two mono jacks that went into my interface on 2 channels. I then ran the two notes wall of sound plugin. Works well once you’d balanced the amps level and your preamp levels 👍
@@TobysGuitarGearDemos I think you have misunderstood my question. I don't want to go from the headphone output to the interface in any way, the signal already comes out with booth emulation and the quality of that emulation seems to me to be of lower quality than the amplifier, therefore it is not a satisfactory recording option for me. I want to put my own booth emulation inside the Daw for which I need the direct signal from the preamp without booth emulation, from the send output of the amp. The Question Is! : On the BantAmp series amps. With the amp on!, can I go from the send out to my interface without having the speaker and headphones connected without damaging the class D amp? is the question I asked you in my previous message and in this one, It is just that what I need to know (yes or no, simple) and the answer is not in the manual, the Joyo people do not answer my email either, nor does anyone seem to be able to answer my question clearly and they answer other things If you know the simple answer, that's fine. n And if you don't know it, that's fine, I'll also appreciate your attention.
Hi, It should be fine to run without a speaker as it is solid state powered
@@TobysGuitarGearDemos Hello. I already know that, but the question is without a speaker connected and without a headphone connected at the same time, only the guitar would be connected to the amplifier and the send to the interface, that is what I indicated in my question. Thank you
Yes it still should be fine with only the guitar and send to interface connected 👍
The logo stamps all over the place😂😂
The zombie ...BY FAR!!!!! Killer modern gain...BUT with the most FULL clean sound ...I mean ..all you have to do is listen to the DEPTH of the zombie cleans......WOW ..and all this out of a lunchbox!!!!....hahahah
Can I connect it to a Behringer U-Phoria type sound card? if so which door? tnx
El joyo meteor es un Marshall JVM
Billy Talent :)
Meteor for me please 😂
A cabinet is needed?
Hi sorry i'm late, yes cabinet is needed 👍
@@TobysGuitarGearDemos Thank you brother I love you
Hi im very noob..can this bantamp support 100w cab?
Yes that’s fine 👍 You can use a speaker that has a higher wattage than the amp but not the other way round.
@@TobysGuitarGearDemos thank you so much👍🏿
I'll have all three
Thoughts on meteor vs zombie
(I play metal, if that helps)
@@TazerGames Meteor is based on an Orange OR series and Zombie II is based on Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier. So Meteor is more for doom, psychedelic, sludge metal and classic rock whereas the Zombie is more for modern metal, particularly extreme metal. Both have lots of low end but Zombie is much tighter
What is the most Slayer ?
They played JCM 800s I believe, so prolly the Jackman (?).
Guitar > dog shit > speaker = SLAYER
The Joyo Zombie 2 is the better for overdrive sounds
Does anybody knows how to connect those amps to a pa system?
You can take the headphone out into a Y cable and plug it into a mixer, or mic it 👍
@@TobysGuitarGearDemos many thanks
Jackman fills the mids
How loud are they?
Loud enough to play distorted with a band, cleans would not be loud enough unless you are playing jazz or an acoustic set 👍
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Jackman + od boost at front = pretty much how jcm800 works best with
Zombie + eq on fx loop = to shape your tone close to dual rectifier or markv
These Bantamps invites me to a world of tube amps & cabs which is I regret selling but at the same time thankful for owning a couple of 50W+ EVH and Blackstar amps.
prefered the jackman ll , zombie had to much mid range for me , and the meteor was a little on the dark side ....
I always been partial to anything with Orange OR in the name and this is no exception. The Zombie is in line with the big original: scooped mud heaven, good for cleans with a treble booster or chugga chugga I can' hear you music ... no thanks. As for the jackman ... meh ... it's missing something but it does sound bad at all.
Man the headphone out on the zombie sounds horrible
J2
Zombie apocalypse
Nice Billy talent riffs too
For mu taste
1~zombie
2~meteor
3~jackman
meteor clear winner!
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Hate to break it to any tone “purists” out there, but from what I’ve read, my understanding is that this is a “starved plate” design; and as such, the tube does little if anything for the tone. In other words, it’s basically window dressing that functions essentially as a light bulb, if that. Not saying they don’t sound good, however.
Hate to break it to you, but as someone who had three of this and played around with the valves, you are wrong.
They do impact the sound, and they behave like you would expect a valve amp to behave. This is really clear in the BlueJay when playing with a hot humbucker x playing with single coils, its a very natural overdrive coming from the tube. So, sorry, what you read is wrong.
hate to break it to you but it really doesn't matter, a 12ax7 is pretty much two gain stages and all of these are much higher gain tha anything two gain stage in the tube amp domain which means that the overall sound is coming frome leds or op amps inside feeding a class d power amp and they do sound pretty damn good.
orange is 4 gain stages with plate tonestack, marshall is 3+1 if you count the cathode folllower and especially if the third cathode resistor is 10k as the 100 watt. the mesa? it is five to six gain stages depending how you count and if you want the loop in there.
So take the purist crap elsewhere because for how they sound these things should be praised for not using 300 volt 12ax7 that wouldn't do the whole path but add weight and cost. Weight for the mains transformer. Take a hughes and kettner, blackstar. Solid state boosted one preamp tube. Take the evh lbx. Mosfet drives the tonestack after the tube preamp. Heresy. Take the marshall vs100r. Starved plate and records were written and nobody cared and if you changed the tube the sound changed as well. So it does do something just not what one would think as what a 12ax7 does in a full tube amp. By definition none of the above are full tube amps.
@@morellasgeorgios8449 sure. Keep telling yourself that and going against every guitar player that actually tried these.
Have you measured the plate voltage? Get back to us when you do.
The low plate voltage isn't necessary a bad thing, and when applied to a circuit like the Joyo it can go a long way in filtering and smoothing out the distortion. The 12AX7 is an integral part of the circuit... it takes a few seconds to warm up when powering on... just like your big 100w Marshall, etc. I'm a tube purist myself, and have the original 3-knob Zombie and love it 👍
Jackman high gain is awful