LED vs HID Grow Lights | The Final Chilli Battle
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- Опубликовано: 5 дек 2013
- UPDATE JANUARY 2020: LED grow Lights have come a long way since this video was made and whilst they are still expensive compared to HID - there are some excellent LED Grow Lights [greenshydro.co.uk/led-grow-li...] now on the market.
We've seen our chilli plants grow from strength to strength in this grow light battle and the evidence has mounted to the stage where we're ready to announce the winner of the fight.
LED [greenshydro.co.uk/led-grow-li...] grow lights have to throw in the towel on this test as HIDs are clearly pronounced king of the jungle. Throughout this battle we've kept all factors except the lighting the same, and the difference in vegetative growth between the two plants has even surprised us.
The LED grow lights didn't do too bad at all and they can clearly grow plants, but the HID grow lights have outperformed them every step of the way, and as far as we're concerned, HID technology is the only one to choose until LEDs reach the same performance levels.
Anyway, here's the final video in our grow light battle [goo.gl/Smi6lZ] so make your own minds up. And don't forget to subscribe to our channel because we'll be bringing you more great videos in the coming weeks.
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This was 7 years ago. It would be interesting to see an updated version with today's technologies
In my little 2'X4' grow area I'm running 4 55W 3500K cobs and knocking it out of the park on every grow! I switched from HPS about 6 months ago and will never look back. Tighter buds, less heat and so much more efficient. The cobs along with the DC fans draws a total of 265 watts according to my Kill-A-Watt meter and my utility bill in the summer has gone down $40 month! Most people don't take into account how much less air conditioning is needed once you turn off those room heating HID's!
I've tried it both ways and like the LED cobs better.
I'm still sticking to my cheap Chinese Ebay red/blue/white LED strip setup. I don't need tons of flowers, I need a strong healthy plant that produces strong, big and healthy fruits. Who cares if the plants are a bit smaller. I'm not producing to sell, I'm producing for myself and to give away what is left to people who are less fortunate in life then me/us.
Cheers.
I would like to see another comparison grow now in the year 2020. That would be helpful to see how far the led industry has come.
search it up on youtube. leds are destroying hps.
I'd love to see an update. I recently switched from two 400W HID to six dual-tube LED fixtures (shop lights, basically) with *spectacular* results. Each fixture has a power output of 9W, so you can also imagine the power consumption difference on my electric bill. The light is very white and very bright, almost no heat at all, and the cost per fixture at Costco is $29.95 ea.
So basically the plant is stretchign to get to the HID and the LED is giving it more lumens allowing the plant to grow more robust as I see it has in this video.
There is a difference in the response of different plants in HID and LED. Their main difference is 1) light spectrum and 2) heat production. Unbiased comparison without any information over the light intensity at plant canopy and temperature in and around the canopy (air, leaf) is not so unbiased.
Different LED manufacturers design their products (optics) differently and there is a suggested distance from canopy for optimum penetration and uniformity. The energy efficiency conversion to light (μmol/Joule) also varies between manufacturers. Therefore it is very difficult to say its unbiased if you compare the best HID with a low quality LED.
1) Light spectrum is very relevant for light use efficiency when it comes to penetrating deeper in the canopy. Therefore in my opinion you always start by looking at your plant and then go back to designing or selecting a lightning product. Also different plants and cultivars respond very differently to light spectrum. Red and blue alone is not always the best way to go. This pepper obviously doesn't like it but other plants do. The red to blue ratio is also very important. The green-orange spectral region is also important for many plants (and relevant for morphology; canopy penetration) and most LED companies are not using them. Everything is relevant.
2) The higher heat production of HID is very favoring for pepper which likes high temperatures and i dont see how it is possible to control air temperature in the canopy in such a small/contained environment. If it was for a different crop you might have needed additional costs for cooling (something not addressed in the video).
There are limitless videos out there showing that if you neglect the price tag LEDS are highly superior. As i said everything matters. So if you want optimal results there are several important factors to consider before selecting your lightning product
AFTER 4 YEADS LED AND GOING BACK TO HID CAUSE IM PISSED OFF, THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH FLOWER TO BE WORTH TIME IT TAKES WITH LED.
IT EVEN VEG'S WAY WAY SLOWER
Oh , i forgort to say. If you have $1200 f o.k r 1 4 x 4 light, then LED TECH CAN DO IT, BUT I WO T SPEND $1200 FOR A 4 X 4 WHEN HID IS STILL BETTER AFTER 4 YEARS OF multiple 2000 watt leds that arent near that claim
How when a light is like 300 watt hid can u csll it 2000 watt led like mine for last 4 years prior to my 1 1k watt HID return and i get 4 x as much now. Why if led is king?
Did u place the led closer since you could due to not running high temps or did u leave it the same hight as the hid ?
hight of plant doesn't say anything as the HID light produces more warmth also, so you need to add warmth to the led to make a stable temperature.
Secondly, the plant is "seeking light" where the led is bringing plenty of light. You need to set PAR evenly to compare truely. Then compare plant fruiting instead of the height as height says nothing. A sky high plant with plenty nitrogen fertilizer won't produce any fruit whereas a low plant can produce over 200 a year
didn't adjust the height of the led as they grew, you could have been a lot closer with the LEDs and then moved them up as the peppers grew. a lot of people that do side by side tests don't do them properly.
you could just as easily put both sets of lights at LED optimum distance and then say HID lights burn your plants....
Excellent information, especially giving the bloom count
Blooms but no fruit, these plants are not getting enough light from either lamp the flowers are not setting. The Chilli's I grow, Scorpions, Reapers, Borg9's etc. Need at least 400w of HPS to bear fruit, even then they are small and not so hot, I Stick the same plants under a 300w Red Tuned Induction and get full sized superhots in a decent number.
No mention of the temperature difference, and the difference in humidity, (lower) because of the higher heat with the HID lights.. Maybe those particular types of plants rather higher temps and dryer air ? If that's the case, then the test is not equal, and in fact, it is inconclusive. Different plants are like different people....they all like different things, and react differently to their different environments.
Re-make the video, use full spectrum LEDs intsead of the multiple band ones. They're getting pretty damn efficient now.
I heard the same about efficiency from good authority. Did you do a comparison with CFL's to HID also?
I use a combo of five different lights all at once , but not all are on at same moment consistently. They like all things in your grow op are just tools , and one must always use the correct tool for each & every job when needed !
Beautiful!
After 12 long weeks of vegetative growth we decided it was time to throw in the towel on our LED vs HID grow light battle.
Only one grow light remained victorious throughout so make sure you watch this final installment to see which light has been crowned our champion grower!
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Greens Hydroponics The metal halide you used has much more blue color than your led used thats why we saw so much difference in hieght, if you had used an all blue 300 watt led with actual draw of 180 watts much closer to the mh used, than you would have seen much better results, your led was clearly full spectrum and not blue dominant.
+Nicecardude100 led was probably only pulling 90 to hundred watts. The led sells by model name, as in "Joe Blow 180" which may only be 90 true watts, and rarely sell by true wattage.
Marc Treiser yes, I think they run more watts if you wire 220v
Really? prove it....
Dee B absolutely right...and now , I just bought one , VIpar spectra full spectrum 450 and I was put under the impression that it was equivalency of a 600 hps an now I may just use it to mother my 3 favorites.
hmmm, think the HIDs reflect the light and arent as directional, too; with the hids theres less shadows, that would reduce photosynthesis, so to conduct an efficient test both would need filtered to become directional, or to have a similar spread of light
Wonderful video !
i thought led need to be closer to plant to be more effective.... couple inches or so to give more intense light with no heat and adjust as needed im prob wrong (not a pro grower) but that was my understanding and my last chili's i grew were about 80-100 tall with adjustments on light
Hey i found that CHILLI FOCUS in my hydro store ! Did you test it ??? Is it any good?
Is it can use to all plant ?
I just want to seedling cactus
very good test
What about the nutrient density of the food tested and actual fruit produced? I have read other studies showing clear advantages with regards to cost efficiency that demonstrate LED as superior... yet the fruit produced was actually nutritionally inferior to the HID lighting. While there is probably a happy medium in there somewhere depending on whether your concerned with growth out put... as a basement Gardner I lean towards providing the most nutrients possible.
Hi thanks ,o you drop them down to 12 hrs to get them to fruit ?
Was the tempature all the same??
I'd like to see this test run again but in 2020. Tech has changed a lot sense 2013
since 2013*
I'm using cfl do chilli plants need down time or 24 hours of light per day
You have to use the high-bay type LED lamp, so you have an intense beam. You just use white LEDs, not the colored ones, preferably warm whites so there's a good amount of red in the spectrum. A Cree high-bay will work well, the 90 degree beam kind.
Just because it's higher, doesn't mean it's better. That tells me that the plant is putting all in nutrients to get higher to the grow light rather than bulking it's canopy. LED chili plan also looked bulkier at a lower height. Show me the chili's from this test not just the plant.
What's the name of the song on 0:38 to 1:00? That reminded me of SILENT HILL.
how much more expensive it is too keep the HID grow room the same temp?
With chillies do you have to change lighting times to encourage flowering like with cannabis or does it flower in its own time when they mature? Hoping to grow a couple chilli plants under a CFL but wasn't sure on the exact details.
I know this is 5 years later but I have not had any problems growing any kind of peppers so far under a constant 18/6 light cycle without having to increase dark period for flowering. Got 5 varieties growing in my tent right now. Thy all produce, then I prune them almost down to the stems, leaving a few leaves and after a few weeks they are full of branches and are flowering again.
It's a minefield 😕 I want some decent LEDs to grow chillis in the uk that aren't gonna cost me the earth to run, Any suggestions?
Plant height? If I put a 15w clf vs 400W HID the 15w clf plant will be taller
make the same test with COB LED. so we will see
What cree temperature (K) is the best for growing and flowering?
I use full spectrum COB LED's they even have UV! also I use regular 4000K LED to support it. My super hot chilis started to flower in 8-9 weeks! Also great soil mixture and nutriets is the key for it.
Would this be the same if this experiment was done on a different type of plant? A plant that needs a balance of both blue and red lighting? But alas i guess that wouldn't be fair either since HID would not be able to keep up with the red spectrum of lighting. So I guess for growing peppers,
HID would be a bit better.
Thanks
thanks
did these ever harvest?
OverGrowTheUK - Allotment Gardening i think you need to manually transfer pollen betweeen the flowers..
introduce me, one of the students at the university of indonesia now i am looking for a title for my final project research where i plan to raise the title of planting chilies at home using grow light fully without sunlight, if i may ask is it suitable for chili plants if grown indoors using grow light from seedling to harvest? thank you
Why would you have placed the led light so far away from the canopy when the advantage and point of the led is that they can be placed much closer and adjusted to get better growth.
seems like you upset a lot of LED growers with this video but I found it very informative.thank you for posting it. the MH bulb produces a significant amount of UVA which has been shown to improve flavor and "vitamin" content and which is lacking in LED lights.would love to see a comparison grow against T5ho lights
Honestly, LEDs are good because of the fine spectrum tuning you can achieve. After that the good LEDs burn every bit as much electricity as an HID to illuminate the same space and throw off almost as much heat, and cost anywhere from 500.00 to a few grand for 1 fixture, and then they have roughly the equivalent light penetration of an HID. IF they were significantly cheaper then they would be worth it, for instance, If your HID ballast or bulb fails, 100 bucks will get you a replacement. and you are back up and running again. With an LED you are sending the unit in for repairs, unless you bought amazon junk, then you are just buying another fixture. I am a grower with about 20 years under my belt, using HID, LED, CMH and Florescent. I have no dog in the fight. I use them all.
I've been waiting a year and my habanero plant is still like 4 inches XD
and why were here LED light mostly White only seen full spectrum directly in the center of the plants
What about cfl 2700 k and 6500 k....
LED light was too far away fro the canopy to be effective.
I use cheap eBay LED lights and have fantastic yields, I just added CO2
Which ones do you use and how big is your garden?
well, the hid takes 20% more power. why would you compare those two systems on that basis?
the leds were clearly not nearly blue as the hids...?!?!
when growing indoors under lights how does polination take place??
Same way just controlled with fan instead of wind air moves the pollen plant to plant easily done in small scales
You gotta redo this video with the latest LEDs
good video!
try the spectrum king
Ok so there were more flowers..... i'd like to see the WEIGHT of each. I'd be willing to bet the weight is pretty much even.... but the quality of the LED is better....
if the LED light has pink tint to the human eye then it is balanced to the red spectrum so the HID had more blue for vegetative growth.
Chili focus for hydro? That's cool, I thought it was for soil only
its a soil grow with a dripper system for watering on a timer so the amount of water they received was equal
Led is good if you get them closer also make sure the watts is fair most say it's this watt or that watt test it and run the exact equal amount of watts so if the led is drawing 200 then u need 200watt hid
you need to move the led closer to the plants. a major benefit of led's is that you can move them much closer to the plants because they run much cooler than hid's
1w led's against HID! Hahahahahaha great test 😄👍
HID = sodium ?
thing is tho led last longer and is much cheaper and runs a lot cooler than hid. I'd buy led for that reason
You need 2 lights that draw the same power from the wall to be able to compare them fair.
LED lights are rated by bulbs and under powered to make the bulbs last longer.
And a HID light draws more power from the wall then rated and claims wattage by the bulbs.
If you have 2 lights that both draw the same power from the wall then LED lights win hands down.
+Dee B I have had no humidity problems and so far I only been using a dehumidifier for last two weeks of flowering.
My led is a 9 pod setup that draws 480 watts from the wall.
High power led's will burn plants that require low light or they need to be in a high ceiling room so match up the light draw from wall to plant need and Google is your friend
@CarelessFreak led lights are amazing and I just bought some today but four years ago they were not reliable when I made this comment.
Hid won because it has a full spectrum included the wavelength of violet and far red. whereas the led light has limited light spectrum primarily red and blue.
this is a very interesting topic & alot of what everyone is saying is true..the thing is,use what works best for you & your plants..if they are happy you are happy..so what if 1 light gets you a couple onces more,if the light that produced less produces better quality smoke im going with that 1..i guess it depends on what you are looking for tho..keep it simple & keep em happy,the rest will fall in place..stop the hate people,life is 2 short..
telos 10 pro lights put out 2.5umol for 285w
Very interesting! How about marijuana, does it do the same for that plant?
If you can manage the heat and pay the electric bill, HID lights all the way.
Yes, HID is better
The led light is a direct light traveling in a stright line, were. As the hps n mh n hps light spreds out , so relly you need to put the leds on light mover and use a light meter as your leds can diliver deeper light penetration in to the canopy . They are different then the other kinds of lights and growing with leds is different then growing with MH and HPS or t5s so these led vs xxx type of light vids arent very accurate. If you have a good led and you know what your doing with it youll get just as good results as a hps , however duel end hps is probably the best light available .
I can't help but feel that if you had used a higher wattage LED light (something in the region of 300 watts +) you'd have a very different result at the end of this video ;) Good LEDs have diodes in them which emit tons of invisible light which the plants REALLY enjoy. LEDs give off more ultraviolet, infrared, and are generally a lot stronger(they're lasers!). The 140watt light you used obviously sucked, lol.
This is false. LED's can give off UV and IR light, but the UV diodes are so inefficient and get so hot that no one uses them in grow lights. I don't mean 380-400nm "UV" because many people can see those wavelngths, I mean real 320-365nm UVA.
Many LED companies use IR LED's and I believe there is some benefit to this but due to efficiency you're better going of with a white LED (which generally go from 400-700nm)
Also LEDs are not a laser, they typically have a 120 degree spread without any secondary optics.
I'm absolutely staggered at the amount of misinformed people here spreading information that can be (quite) easily fact checked with 1 minute on google. LEDs are lasers? Output more (if any...) UV/IR light? Lmfao.
Your right I've experimented myself and got better results from led and hanging the led another 12inch higher would of allowed the plant to grow higher as the par output is usual higher if using a decent led.
josh g 100% right. Id challenge and HID with my lighting. Lol
lumen what was higher led or hid
Watt for watt its leds
The pots were différent... not the same size ...
"if you buy chinese LEDs, grow with HID lights"
Shenzhen alone builds more cutting edge tech than the whole US-American east coast. Ofc a lot of trash comes from there as well, but if you spend 35$ on a 1200W LED from Shenzhen, it's your fault. Most of the best lamps and LEDs are maufactured in China as well.
Man you live under a rock ... ALL leds are chinese
When a hydroponics channel has zero understanding of plant biology...
6 Hours Red. + 12 hours Blue. Would rip apart the HID.
No to nuts all natural only
The best LED systems I have used so far use 5W diodes. The Mars series lights are by far the best bang for your buck. Aliexpress is where you get them direct from China: www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-2014-Mars-II-1200w-High-Intensity-Full-Spectrum-LED-Grow-Lights-for-Indoor-Growth/1897032923.html. You can compare this light to a 600w hps. They even have a 1600w light now: www.aliexpress.com/item/PRESALE-2014-Mars-II-New-Switchable-LED-Grow-Light-1600W-324-X-5W-Chip-11-Band/2019323497.html
unbiased up your. you pin a cheap LED with one of the best HID. Second you laid about the energy consumption, sure you said that the Hid draw more power, but you don't mention the extra money to keep the Hid light cool.THIRD, you chosen a plant that favor HEAT.FORTH, you only talk about the height, and if you go back in the video the LED LOOK bushier, and judging from my experience bushier plant have a better tasted and A HIGHER YIELD. AND SO MY QUESTION IS , WHAT IS THE GOD DAM NAME OF THAT CHINES LED LIGHT YOU USED. I NEED TO GET ME ONE OF THOSE.
Bravo!
So would you mind IDENTIFYING THAT L E D light. .
because LEDS must be very near tops! it is not gonna burn them. this is the only way to use LED.
this wasn't a fair comparison
The problem here is that the LED light is terrible. The future has arrived since this video was done. Re-do test with Migro or Spyder LED's.
KIND LED,MIGRO,SPYDER,VIPARSPECTRA,MAR-HYDRO OR BLACK DOG, I DARE YOU TO RE-DO THE TEST WITH ONE OF THESE LIGHT
@@angelescobar4732 electric sky led ftw
And now put come cree cobs it will murder any hps
There is a reason the pros don't use LEDs
In 2018 leds is the best way for any herb!!!!!!! Full spectrum not The white! 100w=240w in high pressure sodium.
There is a reason why in 2013 commercial greenhouses were still using 1000W double ended HPS units... Because *they were better than the best LED on the market*
Nowadays there are some strong competitors, some 600W LED units (which cost upwards of $1000US) can outperform an industry standard 1K HPS.
But in 2013 LED technology was mainly marketing hype. Their cost-effectiveness started to make sense around 2015 (if you had a large investment fund).
so 2 diff wattages and 2 diff result...so when does the experiment begin, cause that isnt no legtit experiment. compared apples to organges. could have use same wattages and hid will still beat led verytime. always has. their better but cant keep up to pentrating power of hid. can have ll your fancy colours ya want. if it isnt strong enough to penetrate plants its useless. dont forget the footprint is waaay smaller using led vs real lights to, so you have to buy more led to cover same floor space...with weeker light to
Wonderful. HPS rules.
Les lampes en croissance LED
So wrong ! for grow you need blue led's , you should have kept the red ones off !!!
For grow led is much better
For flowering Hid is much better
LED wattage doesn't equal HID wattage
Do a comparison now lol
wanted to write something like:
Oh man... thats a cheap china LED with purple light. Thats the Reason why it's so bad against hid.
but then i saw...
2013...
So it is a cheap led from 2013.
Yes thats really worse.
Today we use Samsung LM301B LED's in combination with Osram Oslon Hyper Red LED's and outperform every HID Lamp by Miles.
Pounds of what? You grow a pet tent?
LEDs kick HID ass when used prooperly
lol properly
yeeeee! today I saw the first Led lamp at a very reasonable price (1200w led, 430 actual power consumption, 6w diaodes)giving out 50-60 000 lumens, and much much longer lifetiem than older leds. Thats on par with 600w hps. And at the same price as well!!!muahahahahahahaha ye thats progress! soon hps will be a fart into oblivion
HID lamps is better.
no ballast on the led=waste
Hid le gana al led azul y rojo ... Pero al blanco frío no le gana ..ojo con ese detalle. Tmb esa lámpara LED es de muy baja potencia. Un LED cob son mucho más efectivos y le gana al hid
Makes no sense, like comparing a mini metro to a mustang
People will argue with anything
You should stop using shoddy LEDs and get a proper LED light.
Pop over to Autoflower.net and see how growing under LED is done.
Also check Growmau5 videos!
Proper LEDs are beating HID's fact.
Bi coloured LED units just using red and blue LEDs is soooooooooo long out of date!
You want a properly balanced full spectrum LED