@@jasonofmontreal well have you ever considered that maybe you live in a place that allows you to have a very good standard of living 🤷♂️ I know plenty of people in Europe and UK that don't use anything. But to be honest even if surfr is a lot worse how can you justify the price of woo 🤔
@@dawinczi21 I didn’t say either was better, Surfr is newer and lots of people have had woo for years. The main fun of either is comparing to your progression and your friends.
Great review! Since you're giving a score to each kite anyways you could also put them in a list and rank all of the kites you have ever tested based on their total scores. And with every review the list gets another entry. Kinda how Doug Demuro does it with testing and rating cars. That way we might get a better idea how the kite performs in comparison to all the other kites :)
@@jasonofmontreal any progress on getting your hands on the xr pro? Would love to see if the Aluula changed a lot considering woosting, bar pressure and kite speed while looping. Also very interested in the Harlem Force review! A new innovation in Dacron-kites.
Very nice information !! I suggest to every one to try the new 04 cabrinha collection !! And also the Motox apex because it is surprisingly performing !! Kip doing this vides because the kite community needs !!
Great work man,as always! I was wondering if you could include the Core nexus 3 to one of your videos, I know it's not branded as a big air kite, but I'll love your insights on it 👍
I’ve only ever ridden them twice, and they are certainly easier for loop progression then the XR’s, but I still found them kind of heavy on the bar for a 3 strut. They’re a decent all around kite for progression in every discipline so if you like core specifically they’re probably the easier of their range for overall improvement on
Awesome as always, straight and honest! Look forward to the Harlem Force review and I'd be keen to your WOO vs Surfr comparison. The SpaceX one was very insightful, but more knowledge can only be good. Thank you for all the work you put into your channel, great content!
Love the videos Jason! Keep up the reviews the content is epic and really useful especially when considering making kite purchase. Can’t Waite to get your thoughts on the Harlem kite. 🤙🏻
We all appreciate these reviews man, keep them coming. I base all of my new kite purchases off of these. For a future review, the new north pro bar with auto unwind is looking 👌 🔥. It would be sweet if you could get your hands on one for a video this year.
Damn great video again as always, thank you! The scenery from the shots with the Evo were magic, was it at another spot? Just that sunshine and waves poeeeh 😍 would be great to see some nature shots from your local spot, the mountains in the back look wonderfull!
Great video JasonAs you aways do! And thanks for the kind words. We would be curious to hear your opinion regarding the woo vs surfr! Keep up the good work. Team SpaceX
Another great review! Looking forward to your Harlem force review. I’m hoping you would talk about it’s bar pressure while pulling the loops. I read in another YT review that it has very comfortable and low bar pressure while pulling the loops at least when medium powered. I just started pulling tiny loops (
Without knowing more about your ability it’s a bit tricky to comment on a huge variety of things you could be doing wrong. There’s always going to be a lot of pressure on the bar from looping because you’re breaking the kite through the power zone of course. You’re doing the right thing practicing with baby loops for now until you get used to the pull, just keep at it and make sure you’re progressing you heli loops until you’ve got them on lock before you go higher
A little food for thought for those of us not at Jason's level. If you're in the market for a progression kite you may want to buy the Orbit over the Nitro. The Orbit has the most perfect and direct feeling on the bar and I always know where the kite is. In contrast, on the Nitro I find the bar pressure too light, especially during the catch after a loop. I often find myself looking up at the kite to time downloops and know it's positioning compared to the orbit where it's all feel and i don't need to look at the kite at all. For someone like myself who's just getting back into loops after a solid decade away from the sport it's a major difference for my progression. On the other hand, once you have the timing and muscle memory dialed in for your tricks I imagine the nitro to be a sweet ride.
What models/years of each kite are talking about? It’s confusing that such a small difference in bar pressure between kites is so noticeable that you might lose track of one kite so much more than the other…
@jasonofmontreal Yeah it's weird, most people say they're so similar, but I personally can't get over the bar feel on the Nitro. I'm comparing the 2023 9m models flown on the north bar for both kites. I've been switching back and forth between them a lot, hoping the Nitro will click, but I really dislike the weightless feeling on the bar after the loop when it's climbing for the catch or when I'm inverted in general. Could just be me 🤷
@@pattyj886I mentioned in the '23 models comparison that I found the nitro more firsky and less stable than the orbit, but as per that review I preferred its speed under 30 knots. The newer model is a lot better balanced. You might prefer the 2024 orbit of them all, its a bit slower than the 23's
Hey Jason! Great review as always. I guess you will have to review the new Ozone Vortex Ultra-X (especially VS Evo Dlab, since it really looks similar)
Hi Jason, Nice to see you got a harlem force, it could be next big thing. On the lines, I ride the normal core bar on 24m lines and 22m on the pro with the fancy lines, it makes a difference. Also bar weight effects things, that's why I don't like the clickbar. Anyway, still waiting for the xr pro and xr8 review. Keep it up buddy
@@dajobra I used to own XR7’s but they were very expensive to get here so I’m not looking to buy anymore. The brands fairly unknown here so I was unable to sell them on for much at all
@@jasonofmontreal That's weird, in Holland it's the other way around on the second hand market because Core kites are known for building quality kites that last. My xr6 9m is about 650 euro, or 700 on trade in. I don't know if you googled Kitemana and I don't know shipping cost, but you can trade in kites per mail. I traded a xr5 7m with repairs for xr8 7m, paid 1150 euro. All I am saying is have a look. I know these people, I am a longtime customer. They are cool and the biggest kite store in the world. So they would be a very good contact for a guy like you, wink wink. I was very proud to see them get big enough to make this happen: ruclips.net/video/tjberzPjy-8/видео.html They even mention content, community, gear and sharing kiting, all the things you do.
Really loving your reviews. Could you maybe, if you find the time, make a video regarding jumping heights and loops sizes. In detail about what indicators you are using while being pulled up to get a good radius in your loop so that the following heliloop will not leave you hanging a couple of meters above the water or drop you unsafe. I personally feel unsure on when to size up my loop radius and end up in situations that after the heliloop I´m still hanging way above the water. Too low for another heliloop and thus losing my stability and crash/buttcheck.
I think understand what you are saying… Try sending the kite off to side as it ascends after the loop so that you get a bit more lift on you first heli loop. This we’ll also slow you down. If after the first heli loop you are still in the sure, sheet out for a moment to make sure the kite is up above you, and pull down the bar, likely into a down loop in the direction you are going
another good review. as I already wrote to you, I wonder how the aluula material holds up. as I see, rumors are spreading on the net that the upper protection is cracking. regarding woo vs seufr. friends use it and the difference between apple vs android is the difference (different sensors and probably the quality of the sensors-chip) which Dave Key already described how the software works.
Great review, thanks! Last year I bought 3 brand new 2023 Cabrinha kites, 8m Nitro, 10m MotoX and 13m Contra for the lightwind sessions. I really loved the feel of these kites (and absolutely love the bar), however, 2 out of 3 kites had valve issues within 3 uses. Apparently I heard the majority of 2023 Cabrinha kites came back with valve issues . What are your experiences with this in 2024? Do you know if this improved? I am hesitating to stay with Cabrinha or switch to another brand because of this and the lousy aftercare.
Unfortunately, or fortunately I suppose I’ve not had any issues like this. I’ve had the nitro 2 out for about 5-6 sessions now and it’s still in great shape.
i didnt use the v11 but most stigmas people had about the v11 and talk to me about i dont feel on the v12, besides the full send thing, the edge really does make you go full send
The ones the snapped I swapped for Line Smith high end lines, then with my second bar, I rode the original lines in lighter wind sessions for about 1.5-2 months, then swapped them as well for line smith lines before they had too much wear on them. If you like in Auckland and would like a cheap set of trust bar lines, holla :)
Awesome review as usual, great job. Well impressed with Duotone Click bar and the Dlab kites. Looking at getting a light wind big air kite for the summer in UK, thinking 12m or 15m Flysurfer Sonic 4 or maybe a 12m Evo Dlab. Do big air, waveriding and foiling, which would you recommend ? rider weight 78KG, current quiver 10, 8 Neo dlab, 6m Rebel, Jaime SLS 136, Slingshot Hopecraft, Duotone Spirit GT 565 foil, 5'0 Slingshot Scifly
Thanks for the video. I would be very interested in your review of Surfr vs Woo. Ho and one more question in Melbourne most of my sessions now are on the foil in wind speed of 11 - 18knts the sessions avg is 15knts. I’m using my Orbit but they seem to become less ideal for light wind session in the 23 and 24 model so I am looking for another option. A kite that can fly in light wind (my Orbit 10M 2023 is straggling in 12knts or less while the 2022 Orbit was better 13:44 ) but also jump high - I am jumping with my foil and looping the kite. Would you recommend the Evo DLab or anything else? Thank you 🙏
The Evo dlab will be as far as I know your best bet, the crazy low end and lift being the key factors… otherwise in lighter winds I like 3 strut all the way
Given you need 6-7m or more in height to loop biggers kites, that's tricky unless you are riding a foil... but once you get over 18-20knots these kites are pretty great for looping 10 and 11m sizes: Ocean Rodeo Rise, North Orbit Pro or standard, Cabrinha Nitro, Evo Dlab
@@rhum1switchkite112When I tested the supermodel I used the 10m size and found it pretty good for loops, but I was riding in around 25 knots. The kites I mentioned should make it a bit easier, but not dramatically given how light the conditions you are talking about are, except perhaps the Dlab that will help you also jump higher
Hi Jason, I'm just starting my loop journey. I currently have a quiver of xr7s which I love as they're great handling gusty conditions and durability its been amazing however what's your opinion, should I get an orbit or a nitro or simply stick and learn how to loop on xrs?
I reviewed my xr7’s in the first video I made. If you have a 7 or 8m you can learn to loop on those, they’re just not as easy to as other kites. If you are really used to them that will help you out a lot though. You can learn to loop on any 7m or 8m kite these days pretty much
Hi Jason, how is it with Low-End of the Nitro Apex. I own now 12m + 9m XR7 and thinking to step over to something quicker but with similar boost and low end. Thanks
I’ve only tried the 9m in over 25 knots I’m afraid. It won’t boost as well as an XR, but an Evo slab has way better low end and boosts better than xr7 so I’d splash on that (I used to have xr7’s)
As I mentioned in the video, this version is very similar to the orbits, but closer in performance to the orbit pro, but with stability and ease of use similar to the standard from what experience I’ve had thus far.
Thanks a lot! @@jasonofmontreal Was just curious as you mentioned "Alula version" and Apex is somewhat claimed to be a new material. Hence wasn't sure if you're referring to Apex :)
@@gehret_alex I believe the apex material is still a type of dakron, like North has for their Orbit Pro, or Duotone's SLS material. I am by no means an expert in materials though.
For me the nitro 2 was better than the ‘24 orbit… but I didn’t ride them back to back so perhaps it’s closer than I felt on the days I tested the nitro
I second this request! MacKite put out a video comparing Hypermodel to Evo Dlab and from my recollection said that Hypermodel is a better big air kite. Would love to see what a skilled big air rider thinks
The real issue if the nitro is Cabrinha manufacturing… it’s just bad. I had to replace 2 of 4 cabrinha kite and bar had issue with lower front lines and grip, friends told me that cabrinha has manufacturing issue but i didn’t listen to them…. Even the nitro has issue: after few hours many nitro pulls more on one side and main valve can be bad glued… pro of cabrinha words
@@jasonofmontreal I don’t say that everyone has issue but I’ve seen so many cabrinha have issue that is pure luck… and personally I had to wait a month or two for every replacement, I had no problem bc I had other kites but if these had been my only kites I couldn’t kite for long time
@@giorgio4660 this seems to be happening often with a number brands, the new materials seem to be making it harder and harder to manufacture them with consistency
Want to see the Woo vs Surfr
Good to know thanks
no need one is free and other costs to much for most kiters...
@@dawinczi21 where I live in NZ woo users vs surfr is about 50 to 1… which is why I’d hardly used Surfr until recently
@@jasonofmontreal well have you ever considered that maybe you live in a place that allows you to have a very good standard of living 🤷♂️ I know plenty of people in Europe and UK that don't use anything. But to be honest even if surfr is a lot worse how can you justify the price of woo 🤔
@@dawinczi21 I didn’t say either was better, Surfr is newer and lots of people have had woo for years. The main fun of either is comparing to your progression and your friends.
tnx Jason, you are by far the best and thorough source for bigaiir kite reviews
Thanks mate
Agreed!💪🫵
Great review! Since you're giving a score to each kite anyways you could also put them in a list and rank all of the kites you have ever tested based on their total scores. And with every review the list gets another entry. Kinda how Doug Demuro does it with testing and rating cars. That way we might get a better idea how the kite performs in comparison to all the other kites :)
I need to update the rankings really, I’m planning to with a new system later in the year
Excellent job as always. Keep it up Jason!
Cheers
@@jasonofmontreal any progress on getting your hands on the xr pro? Would love to see if the Aluula changed a lot considering woosting, bar pressure and kite speed while looping. Also very interested in the Harlem Force review! A new innovation in Dacron-kites.
@@maxrousseau8517 I'm afraid not yet, hopefully later this year sometime
Very nice information !! I suggest to every one to try the new 04 cabrinha collection !! And also the Motox apex because it is surprisingly performing !! Kip doing this vides because the kite community needs !!
Cheers, will do
Excellent review, nicely structured and all facets perfectly described - keep them coming!
Cheers
Great video! Can't wait for you to get your hands on a Vortex!
Working on it
Great work man,as always! I was wondering if you could include the Core nexus 3 to one of your videos, I know it's not branded as a big air kite, but I'll love your insights on it 👍
I’ve only ever ridden them twice, and they are certainly easier for loop progression then the XR’s, but I still found them kind of heavy on the bar for a 3 strut. They’re a decent all around kite for progression in every discipline so if you like core specifically they’re probably the easier of their range for overall improvement on
Awesome as always, straight and honest! Look forward to the Harlem Force review and I'd be keen to your WOO vs Surfr comparison. The SpaceX one was very insightful, but more knowledge can only be good. Thank you for all the work you put into your channel, great content!
Cheers,
Thank you Jason for your work! Your review of Surfr vs Woo would be great!
Sweet as
Just got mine, favorite kite all time.
It’s a bloody banger
Love the videos Jason! Keep up the reviews the content is epic and really useful especially when considering making kite purchase. Can’t Waite to get your thoughts on the Harlem kite.
🤙🏻
Cheers, hopefully we get some big winds soon
Still very interested in seeing your video on the WOO vs SURFR topic👍
I'm working on it
Thanks Jason great review
thanks
Surfr vs woo video would be great 🤙
Sweet
We all appreciate these reviews man, keep them coming. I base all of my new kite purchases off of these. For a future review, the new north pro bar with auto unwind is looking 👌 🔥. It would be sweet if you could get your hands on one for a video this year.
Thanks 🤘
Thanks for all the reviews, really helpful in making buying decisions!
That’s the goal, thanks
Damn great video again as always, thank you! The scenery from the shots with the Evo were magic, was it at another spot? Just that sunshine and waves poeeeh 😍 would be great to see some nature shots from your local spot, the mountains in the back look wonderfull!
Me riding into the waves/sunset was langebaan in South Africa, near Cape Town
Thanks Jason, would be curious to see what you think of the xs especially the newest one
Thanks for another great bid! Yeah I would love also your comparison woo vs surfr. I have watched the spacex guys:!❤🎉
good to know
Always enjoy your comparison Jas
Thanks
You are the cooler guy to watch on youtube.
Haha, thanks
Thoroughly enjoying your reviews!
thanks
Great work! Vortex, Nvision, Flite, XR pro, Eleveight RS+ and XS, and Hypermodel is my current review wishlist.
they seem to be popular 😂
Great video JasonAs you aways do! And thanks for the kind words.
We would be curious to hear your opinion regarding the woo vs surfr! Keep up the good work.
Team SpaceX
Thanks gents👨🚀🚀
I would love to see a new core xr kite comparison
Trying to get my hands on them
Nice vid! Would love to see your woo comparison video!
Cheers, good to know
Another great review! Looking forward to your Harlem force review. I’m hoping you would talk about it’s bar pressure while pulling the loops. I read in another YT review that it has very comfortable and low bar pressure while pulling the loops at least when medium powered.
I just started pulling tiny loops (
Without knowing more about your ability it’s a bit tricky to comment on a huge variety of things you could be doing wrong. There’s always going to be a lot of pressure on the bar from looping because you’re breaking the kite through the power zone of course. You’re doing the right thing practicing with baby loops for now until you get used to the pull, just keep at it and make sure you’re progressing you heli loops until you’ve got them on lock before you go higher
Thanks for your feedback! I was talking about tiny 1-2m kiteloops. I’m able to do 8-9m heliloops
@@rammohanmalasani6541 even at 1-2m there will be a lot of pull and pressure on the bar, you're still diving the kite into the window
Nice video and riding 🔥 Please do the WOO vs Surfr one
Coming soon!
A little food for thought for those of us not at Jason's level. If you're in the market for a progression kite you may want to buy the Orbit over the Nitro. The Orbit has the most perfect and direct feeling on the bar and I always know where the kite is. In contrast, on the Nitro I find the bar pressure too light, especially during the catch after a loop. I often find myself looking up at the kite to time downloops and know it's positioning compared to the orbit where it's all feel and i don't need to look at the kite at all. For someone like myself who's just getting back into loops after a solid decade away from the sport it's a major difference for my progression. On the other hand, once you have the timing and muscle memory dialed in for your tricks I imagine the nitro to be a sweet ride.
What models/years of each kite are talking about? It’s confusing that such a small difference in bar pressure between kites is so noticeable that you might lose track of one kite so much more than the other…
@jasonofmontreal Yeah it's weird, most people say they're so similar, but I personally can't get over the bar feel on the Nitro. I'm comparing the 2023 9m models flown on the north bar for both kites. I've been switching back and forth between them a lot, hoping the Nitro will click, but I really dislike the weightless feeling on the bar after the loop when it's climbing for the catch or when I'm inverted in general. Could just be me 🤷
@@pattyj886I mentioned in the '23 models comparison that I found the nitro more firsky and less stable than the orbit, but as per that review I preferred its speed under 30 knots. The newer model is a lot better balanced. You might prefer the 2024 orbit of them all, its a bit slower than the 23's
Would definitely love to see your opinion on Woo vs Surfr! Great video as always! Looking forward to Harlem Force and maybe Vantage Vulture
Thanks, we're still waiting on the big winds down here as summer isn't windy that often, unfortunately... hopefully coming soon
Thanks for the awesome video Jason
Cheers man
Please make the woo video brother!
👍
Hey Jason! Great review as always. I guess you will have to review the new Ozone Vortex Ultra-X (especially VS Evo Dlab, since it really looks similar)
Hopefully I can get on them back to back this year
Hi Jason, Nice to see you got a harlem force, it could be next big thing. On the lines, I ride the normal core bar on 24m lines and 22m on the pro with the fancy lines, it makes a difference. Also bar weight effects things, that's why I don't like the clickbar. Anyway, still waiting for the xr pro and xr8 review. Keep it up buddy
Cheers, hopefully later this year I can get someone to send them to New Zealand 😂
@@jasonofmontreal no core kites in NZ? I am sure Kitemana could sell and send you anything. Really nice guy's.
@@dajobra I used to own XR7’s but they were very expensive to get here so I’m not looking to buy anymore. The brands fairly unknown here so I was unable to sell them on for much at all
@@jasonofmontreal That's weird, in Holland it's the other way around on the second hand market because Core kites are known for building quality kites that last. My xr6 9m is about 650 euro, or 700 on trade in.
I don't know if you googled Kitemana and I don't know shipping cost, but you can trade in kites per mail. I traded a xr5 7m with repairs for xr8 7m, paid 1150 euro.
All I am saying is have a look. I know these people, I am a longtime customer. They are cool and the biggest kite store in the world. So they would be a very good contact for a guy like you, wink wink.
I was very proud to see them get big enough to make this happen:
ruclips.net/video/tjberzPjy-8/видео.html
They even mention content, community, gear and sharing kiting, all the things you do.
Would love to hear your Woo /Surfr comparison. More opinions always welcome!
Sweet as
Best reviews! Would love to see Surfr vs. WOO! Test the new Aluula Ozone and OR Flite 🙏🏼
Looking at getting hold of hte Ozone this coming season, but OR doesn't really exist in NZ so it's a tough one
lets go with that WOO video !
think ive finishe testing surfr now so will be soon
Great video, excellent job! Keep 'em coming!
Thanks, will do!
great video bro! we need to see the XR Proin your hands.
Ready and waiting 😂
Really loving your reviews. Could you maybe, if you find the time, make a video regarding jumping heights and loops sizes. In detail about what indicators you are using while being pulled up to get a good radius in your loop so that the following heliloop will not leave you hanging a couple of meters above the water or drop you unsafe. I personally feel unsure on when to size up my loop radius and end up in situations that after the heliloop I´m still hanging way above the water. Too low for another heliloop and thus losing my stability and crash/buttcheck.
I think understand what you are saying… Try sending the kite off to side as it ascends after the loop so that you get a bit more lift on you first heli loop. This we’ll also slow you down. If after the first heli loop you are still in the sure, sheet out for a moment to make sure the kite is up above you, and pull down the bar, likely into a down loop in the direction you are going
Would love to see your thoughts on WOO vs SURFR!
Sweet
Great video as always! Looking forward to what you say about the Harlem Force..
thanks
Excellent video as usual
Thanks
Top notch, keep em up!
Will do 🤘
Great...shared !
Cheers team 🙏
Would love to see you throw down some loops on a Slingshot RPX. 8m, strong wind
I'm hoping to try some Slingshot kites later this year, fingers crossed.
Love my rpx, sweetspot is relatively small but when in it it's lovely to loop
отличная работа
Cheers
Awesome!!🏄♂️🏄♂️😁😁
Thanks! 😁
another good review. as I already wrote to you, I wonder how the aluula material holds up. as I see, rumors are spreading on the net that the upper protection is cracking. regarding woo vs seufr. friends use it and the difference between apple vs android is the difference (different sensors and probably the quality of the sensors-chip) which Dave Key already described how the software works.
My material 8 months in seems ok, but the bulk of issues across aluula using brands seem to be bladders struggling with the material
Stopped boarding in 2012 (2001 till 2012) now 12 years later it starts to itch again😮
@@aronjanssen5702 give in to the froth…
@@jasonofmontreallooking for gear already😅
@@aronjanssen5702 you’re on the right path
@@jasonofmontreal4 days later im the owner of a new core xr7-13.5m😂 and appointment for board tommorow😅
@@aronjanssen5702 nice one
Great review, thanks! Last year I bought 3 brand new 2023 Cabrinha kites, 8m Nitro, 10m MotoX and 13m Contra for the lightwind sessions. I really loved the feel of these kites (and absolutely love the bar), however, 2 out of 3 kites had valve issues within 3 uses. Apparently I heard the majority of 2023 Cabrinha kites came back with valve issues . What are your experiences with this in 2024? Do you know if this improved? I am hesitating to stay with Cabrinha or switch to another brand because of this and the lousy aftercare.
Unfortunately, or fortunately I suppose I’ve not had any issues like this. I’ve had the nitro 2 out for about 5-6 sessions now and it’s still in great shape.
Great review!
Cheers, great kite 😂
I have an 8m edge v 12 id let you use, but im in florida... oops. if you ever stop by and we get a storm maybe? hahaha
i didnt use the v11 but most stigmas people had about the v11 and talk to me about i dont feel on the v12, besides the full send thing, the edge really does make you go full send
@@TomasKiteozone are only based a couple hours away from me so hopefully they’ll have a vortex soon to have a test
Thx for the great review! What do you did with your Duotone Lines? Do you switched them all? Thank you!
The ones the snapped I swapped for Line Smith high end lines, then with my second bar, I rode the original lines in lighter wind sessions for about 1.5-2 months, then swapped them as well for line smith lines before they had too much wear on them. If you like in Auckland and would like a cheap set of trust bar lines, holla :)
nice job! :)
Thanks
Awesome review as usual, great job. Well impressed with Duotone Click bar and the Dlab kites.
Looking at getting a light wind big air kite for the summer in UK, thinking 12m or 15m Flysurfer Sonic 4 or maybe a 12m Evo Dlab. Do big air, waveriding and foiling, which would you recommend ? rider weight 78KG, current quiver 10, 8 Neo dlab, 6m Rebel, Jaime SLS 136, Slingshot Hopecraft, Duotone Spirit GT 565 foil, 5'0 Slingshot Scifly
I own a 12m Evo dlab… and have not tried any of those other kites 😂. But the dlab is pretty amazing.
@@jasonofmontreal seen the flysurfer riders getting insane hangtime on the Sonic 4. The D-Labs are truely next level :)
15 juice dlab or ocean rodeo flite 14.5 could be your kite for wind under 12 knots
More of Core would be nice, thanks
I’ve only been able to ever review the core kites I’ve bought, we don’t have the brand in NZ so it’s challenging to get hold of them
Awesome video! 🔥How have you felt the bar pressure between Nitro23, DLab and Nitro24?
Not all at once, but the two nitros would be similar, and dlab noticeably lighter
❤
Thanks
I'd like to see a video about dice sls
They don’t tend to be used for big air much these days, and we don’t have duotone in Auckland, so it might be tough unfortunately
Thanks for the review Jason! Question: what do you mean with a "crisp" feeling of the kite?
New/newer, lively, etc
In this video I say Friskier at one point though, which just means 'more lively, a little bit more agile, not necessarily as stable though'
Thanks for the video. I would be very interested in your review of Surfr vs Woo. Ho and one more question in Melbourne most of my sessions now are on the foil in wind speed of 11 - 18knts the sessions avg is 15knts. I’m using my Orbit but they seem to become less ideal for light wind session in the 23 and 24 model so I am looking for another option. A kite that can fly in light wind (my Orbit 10M 2023 is straggling in 12knts or less while the 2022 Orbit was better 13:44 ) but also jump high - I am jumping with my foil and looping the kite. Would you recommend the Evo DLab or anything else? Thank you 🙏
The Evo dlab will be as far as I know your best bet, the crazy low end and lift being the key factors… otherwise in lighter winds I like 3 strut all the way
@@jasonofmontreal many thanks
sick
Thanks stas
Hi, nice job ! We only see small Kite in 20+ knots. Which Kite do you think would work ? loop ? catch ? the best in 15-20kn. ThX
Given you need 6-7m or more in height to loop biggers kites, that's tricky unless you are riding a foil... but once you get over 18-20knots these kites are pretty great for looping 10 and 11m sizes:
Ocean Rodeo Rise, North Orbit Pro or standard, Cabrinha Nitro, Evo Dlab
@@jasonofmontreal I like my 10m supermodel but too slow. I'll try to test one of those you gave me. Thanks
@@rhum1switchkite112When I tested the supermodel I used the 10m size and found it pretty good for loops, but I was riding in around 25 knots. The kites I mentioned should make it a bit easier, but not dramatically given how light the conditions you are talking about are, except perhaps the Dlab that will help you also jump higher
Hi Jason, I'm just starting my loop journey. I currently have a quiver of xr7s which I love as they're great handling gusty conditions and durability its been amazing however what's your opinion, should I get an orbit or a nitro or simply stick and learn how to loop on xrs?
I reviewed my xr7’s in the first video I made. If you have a 7 or 8m you can learn to loop on those, they’re just not as easy to as other kites. If you are really used to them that will help you out a lot though. You can learn to loop on any 7m or 8m kite these days pretty much
Excellent review. What is the bar feel like (bar pressure)? Similar to the 23 model?
Only ever so slightly heavier than orbit pro, so probably lighter than older orbits
Hi Jason, how is it with Low-End of the Nitro Apex. I own now 12m + 9m XR7 and thinking to step over to something quicker but with similar boost and low end. Thanks
I’ve only tried the 9m in over 25 knots I’m afraid. It won’t boost as well as an XR, but an Evo slab has way better low end and boosts better than xr7 so I’d splash on that (I used to have xr7’s)
@@jasonofmontreal But Evo Dlab is too quick and costs a fortune so I cannot afford it 😐
@@janstibor5952 fair enough
I would like to hear more about, how the nitro compare with the standard orbit 24?
As I mentioned in the video, this version is very similar to the orbits, but closer in performance to the orbit pro, but with stability and ease of use similar to the standard from what experience I’ve had thus far.
do you still recommend the '23 or '24 standard Orbit for a more budget-friendly kiteloop progression?
Yes, both are excellent. I learned to loop on a 2018 Evo that moved slower around the loop than a modern 11m orbit 😂
Hey ! plz post you woo comparution with surfr app ! I want to ses your pov on that
Sweet as
nice spot! where is it?
most of this was filmed in Auckland, New Zealand, at a spot called Muriwai
@@jasonofmontrealThank you for the message and the great content. Greetings from Switzerland 🇨🇭!
@@77petar cheers
Hi Jason, could you make a comparison with the slingshot code?
Hopefully I can get hold of one later in the year.
Is this the Nitro Apex 2024? :-) Was wondering as I haven't seen a non-apex version so far
This is nitro apex version, I’m not sure there is another 24 version
Thanks a lot! @@jasonofmontreal Was just curious as you mentioned "Alula version" and Apex is somewhat claimed to be a new material. Hence wasn't sure if you're referring to Apex :)
@@gehret_alex I believe the apex material is still a type of dakron, like North has for their Orbit Pro, or Duotone's SLS material. I am by no means an expert in materials though.
Where is this kiting location?
Most of it was filmed in New Zealand, there are a few shots riding into the sunset in Langabaan (South Africa)
Navigator pro bar is out with sk99 lines. Review ?
Haven't even seen a release video, must be from Kitemana jumping the release once again eh 😂
Ia nitro better than normal orbit 2024? 🤔
For me the nitro 2 was better than the ‘24 orbit… but I didn’t ride them back to back so perhaps it’s closer than I felt on the days I tested the nitro
Flysurfer sonic 4 ?
Never flown a foil before
reedin htf and hayper modle vs evodlab
Hard to get hold of those down here but working on it
I second this request! MacKite put out a video comparing Hypermodel to Evo Dlab and from my recollection said that Hypermodel is a better big air kite. Would love to see what a skilled big air rider thinks
Woo vs surfr please
right on
The real issue if the nitro is Cabrinha manufacturing… it’s just bad.
I had to replace 2 of 4 cabrinha kite and bar had issue with lower front lines and grip, friends told me that cabrinha has manufacturing issue but i didn’t listen to them…. Even the nitro has issue: after few hours many nitro pulls more on one side and main valve can be bad glued… pro of cabrinha words
I’ll be riding this a lot more this season so I will keep an eye out for that, as I’ve not experienced in the brief testing time I’ve had on them
@@jasonofmontreal I don’t say that everyone has issue but I’ve seen so many cabrinha have issue that is pure luck… and personally I had to wait a month or two for every replacement, I had no problem bc I had other kites but if these had been my only kites I couldn’t kite for long time
@@giorgio4660 this seems to be happening often with a number brands, the new materials seem to be making it harder and harder to manufacture them with consistency
@@jasonofmontreal …mine were 2022 so old materials… that could be the issue for the nitro so maybe with the new bridles they solved this issue
Yes please do a woo vs sufr the more reviews we have available the better for making decisions on where to put our money