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I have been getting a few panic attacks and Addison Anderson's voice helps me calm down. So I've been watching Ted Ed videos. Replenishing knowledge is a lovely bonus.
YES! THANK YOU! So many people overlook the absolutely crucial qualifiers in Machiavelli's writing: the "if"s and "but"s and "be ready to"s and "may"s. He's not encouraging sinister behavior, he's simply acknowledging conditions where it might exist.
@@lissyemmy I'm actually writing a book where one of the characters reads Machiavelli religiously, so for it to be believable I'd better know his work pretty damn well myself.
@@sunsetkitty2932 True. And more often than not those kinds of people end up becoming hated and cause their own downfall (see r/prorevenge for multiple examples) which Machiavelli accurately predicts
@@angelofdeath1896 I don't remember reading that in "The prince". The closest it came to that was "if you must do someone an injury make it quick and decisive so that you never need worry about them again"
"An ideal without the grounds for reality is merely an illusion, a reality without the grounds for ideals is merely an object." Watching this video reminded me of this statement.
Jezrel Carvellida Actually it came from not-so-well known figure. Name Lyuh Woon Hyung, he was a Korean independence activist during the colonial rule of the Japanese and the man who tried to unify the Korea after it got split north and south. He said this when the conflict seemed to get only worse and division to be getting more and more consolidated. Meaning that idealogies are important yet the reality of a dire need for a unified nation should not also be ignored.
A man who shares his thoughts on how to be manipulative is not manipulative. Hes honest and decent and tries to protect naive people from being absorbed by this cruel world.
You pointed just another delusion. Describing ways of the "dark path" can be a perfect camouflage as well as maintaining the image of the person who "investigated his shadow, understood monster within him, became very self-critical, open-minded, compassionate, sincere and truth-loving through that". These narratives like "i read Jung, Nietscze, Dostoevskiy and, therefore, im better person" is just another 21 century Machiavellian trick to acquire power, reputation, recognition and money. If some guy cries on camera, talks all the time how strangers approach to him on the street with stories of how "he helped them" and publicies details of his family life "oh look how great are we!" then im extremely suspicious of him.
@@jirogyro650 argue that to the electric chair. This passive nihilism is wishful thinking. Yet Modern people no longer want the responsibility of 'choice'.
@@MLBlue30 It's a quote from the writer Frank Herbert in his book Dune. For a sci-fi fantasy book written in the 60's it was severely ahead of its time in its plot, philosophies and moral grayness of its characters. Would definitely recommend it for everyone to read.
“The lion cannot protect himself from traps, and the fox cannot defend himself from wolves. One must therefore be a fox to recognize traps, and a lion to frighten wolves.” -Machiavelli, fox & lion
The problem is not in the availability of knowledge but in the proliferation of knowledge. A common person like me wouldn’t care to know how politics work and similarly others wouldn’t care either. Those who do are the true rulers.
@Cole Alan I went to college and I am a conservative. They don’t want you to educate yourself because I guarantee you all the 1% children are getting college degrees.
@@EclecticoIconoclasta Oh yes, he participated the Spainish civil war on the liberals side, he said that at the time the group he's in was the best of his life, but when Stalinist advisors showed up, things spirall down badly.
'Machiavellian' is still an accurate word to use in that context though. 'Orwellian' doesn't refer to George Orwell's attributes, it refers to his famous work's attributes. Same goes for Machiavelli
I cane ti tge comment section to say say simler we haven't been using the word wrong for that long. Give it awhile and the meaning changes to meet people's perceptions.
anubis. The terrible thing is that his work can be used for bad purposes, and everyone who cares about our species and our survival , should preferably and wisely get together and defend ourselves, asking 5.G to stop until there is evidence for it being all right. Apparently, a new law says that 5G cannot be obliterated by us after its installation, only now, before. EVEN if we become ill from it. So each one of us is called to find out and decide for himself. This is a tremendous critical point with chance for evolving towards our higher destiny. Let us not miss/waste it please. Microvaves can give influenza symptoms like Convideo19..Wuhan apparently got 5G installed just before the outbreak of the flu. The individuals I saw falling to the floor in the underground on a YT-news(?) video, looked more like influenced by microwave attack than by flu. Flu symptoms do not include falling to the ground. Microwaves can be set to disturb the heart's functioning causing sudden falling.
My stepfather gave me The Prince to read when I was around 16, I understood his takes but couldn't see the applications on the real world, after I've grown up and got more into politics I started to see what he meants and how the world works. I firmly believe that Machiavelli influenced to the point where I advocate for change by any means because I know the people in power will use any means to maintain the status quo.
Yes.That's why it is great reading.A cautionary tale about what those in power are willing to do to keep it. The how to manual for politicians, so that we know their means.
You can still apply Machiavellian ideas into modern politics, such as that leaders should sometimes have to sacrifice their ideals of morality or ideals for the sake of practical effectiveness such as in economics, domestic or foreign affairs. Politicians might need to lie to the public and sacrifice promises for transparency for the sake of national security or to protect your political career so you could help your country more. Politicians might have to raise taxes and go against their beliefs in order to save the economy just like what George H.W Bush did when he raised taxes despite saying "Read my lips; No new taxes" in order to fix the budget deficit that was created by Ronald Reagan. I think the point Machiavelli was trying to make us see that the world we live in is not perfect and all of the bad actions we do today in order to serve the greater good or if its just unrealistic and impossible to achieve perfection and what we want, is the price of dealing with the world as it is, and not how it should be.
@@sparsh1478 Excellent question. When I first read "The Art of War", the remark that the greatest battle victory is one without injury. Sun Tsu may have meant intimation, but I also took it as diplomacy. Of course, the former can be used in the latter. Mutually Assured Destruction, and disarmament talks can both be interpreted as being under his remark.
Art of war gives you the basic on how to prepare and plan for a battle or war(business or political power struggle). How and what to look for before planning a confrontation and when to engage and/execute your plan. 48 laws of power teaches you on a more relevant and practical level on how to establish your own little empire and how to maintain your authority. I'd recommend you read the prince and then 48 laws of power. You could just skip art of war unless you're totally inexperienced in a confrontation. A more suitable match for the art of war is meditation. It could help you mold your perspective before making any important decision.
@sparsh kandpal simple. I wanted to get into really good Universities. They required writing essays. I portroyed myself as a victim. I got on . I used ' all warfare is based on deception'( life is war!!) And ' to truely defeat your enemies you must know them. Not just their tactics but their philosophy, habits.....) . I intense researched not about essays nd how to write them but about the people reading the essays themselves. Result: I got in with a fail in 11th grade. It doesn't matter how u use it. Think of the teaching like formula and improvise as you see fit. Knowledge is power coz it is malleable.
If you are interested in reading more about those who followed in the footsteps of Machiavelli and his school of thought, I'd recommend you read The Machiavellians: Defenders of Freedom.
I'd suggest you to read some support articles along with the book. By that I mean other authors talking about it, like you'd get in introductory classes to Political Science. It enables you to understand the book deeply. In any case though, you'd not waste your time
It is much safer to be feared than loved, but never hated. That last part is left off too often. I'm grateful that high school philosophy teacher assigned The Prince to us to read.
Niccolo Machiavelli was among the first thinkers to apply secular thoughts in studying politics, in line of the Renaissance zeitgeist. Political thought before Machiavelli was dominated by Christian morality: good rulers were virtuous, honest, God-fearing, Christian. Since Machiavelli was a student of history of the Classical Age (and had first-hand experiences in diplomacy, political turmoils and events in Europe), he yearned for the glorious age of the Roman Empire--stability and power. He removed the Christian deux ex machina that "GOD" or miracles had a hand of human history, and replaced it with human agencies. Machiavelli remained Catholic all throughout his life, but he believed that in ruling a nation/state, values and morality were hindrances, if not impractical nor susceptible to political intrigues. Hence, "the end justifies the means."
One of the listed virtues by Machiavelli was being religious and even noted some historical characters that were not religious and were described as almost nihilistic psychopaths. So Machiavelli was not completely secular. Plus, he also championed religion and myth to creating the rich culture that made great civilizations.
+Paul Ramos It was dominated by Christian morality but I think you fail to understand that the morality was based on who was worthy of God's favor and if they could retain such worth and NOT on this Deus EX Machina of "that "GOD" or miracles had a hand of human history" that you seem to think. As for him removing it... well, you're kinda right but also kinda wrong since the morality he argued disregarding is still based on Christian morals so it was still there.
Machiavelli became the Ultimate Machiavellian when Machiavelli was cast out the Machiavellian Monarch group, and decided to write Machiavellian as the Ultimate Machiavellian stratedgy against the Machiavellians.
thats very sad ur teachers are being paid to show their students RUclips videos... like they *must* know theyre not good teachers.... why else would you play someone else's video to teach for you?
@@lostpockets2227 Because they are good teachers, who incorporate modern media if it benefits their lessons. I doubt that your average teacher, who has to prepare X lessons every week, has the skills or the time to put together such a concise and well illustrated video, just to spark the pupils interest in a topic. Why wouldn't you use such high-quality material in your classes when it's readily available?
It's funny how yt recommended this to me while there is a presidential candidate here in the Philippines who view Machiavellian as a positive attitude and got praised hagdg
OneManWolfPack it may also be interpreted as a satire of princely power. His examples in the book are inconsistent with context. For example he describes Moses as a “lawgiver” when the Bible makes it clear he didn’t. Additionally because of his torture by the medicci , it could be an attempt to trick the prince into taking his advice and eventually he deposed.
This came out of my recommendations after the son of the late Filipino dictator Ferdinand Marcos, claiming that he is Machiavellian. He is running for the Presidency this incoming election in May 9.
“Any man who tries to be good all the time is bound to come to ruin among the great number who are not good. Hence a prince who wants to keep his authority must learn how not to be good, and use that knowledge, or refrain from using it, as necessity requires.” I think the book can be summarized to this quote ,the world isn't a fair place , you won't be rewarded for being good ,sooner or later someone who's amoral will crush you, hence you should learn their tricks and tactics ,if you don't want to use it at least protect yourself from it.
Being bad is just going against norms, a Prince has freedom of action but limiting it gives him longevity. A few enemies with daggers in the back shows authority.
Machiavelli was certainly not "the first to realize this difficult truth". Han Feizi and Shang Yang were ancient Chinese political philosophers who advocated for many of the same things that Machiavelli did.
He was the first in Christian Europe. This is important to remember since ‘Machiavellian’ politicians in his time portrayed themselves as devout Christians.
@@thenablade858 Though it's worth noting that Machiavelli's treatment of the church in The Prince is rather dismissive. He treats it more like an unfortunate political roadblock rather than something sacred.
He just stated what needs to be done to achieve and maintain an efficient government. Nothing less nothing more. But the ones that could follow the instructions the most are always on the heavier spectrum of emotional detachment or psychopaths.
Michael Harto My thoughts exactly. You can tell someone how to get away with murder, but when they commit, is it really your fault? You didn’t tell them to do that. They made that choice on their own. It sounds to me like people used The Prince as a scapegoat to justify their own actions.
@@Medietos well if your ankle break it will heal but it would never the same, if your eyes break then it wont even heal, if your skin get cut then it form a scar,etc
Kinda. But bear in mind the time period Machiavelli lived in was cut-throat. It's probably more suited to corporate activity nowadays. Most governments aren't in the buisiness of starting succession crises and wars with their neighbours. Our world as grown so much closer since his time.
@@Madhattersinjeans nope, only the methods are different, it evolved to become an indirect strategy in political stage. The core of the instructions are still true. Especially the ones about maintaining your power.
But a ruler must care about the feelings of his subjects, if he wishes to earn and keep their favour. In the words of Jocko Willink who covered The Prince on his podcast: "Take care of your people, and your people will take care of you."
Machiavelli was ultimate Machiavellian by writing the Machiavellian to expose the Machiavellians, all because Machiavelli was Machiavellianed by the Machiavellians
The innovative thing with Machiavelli is that he was able to separate reality from idealizations. He wrote about power as it is, not as he thought it should be, like nearly all of the political writers of his time. He also writes about it without engaging in moral aspects. Nothing in the book is defended by him as being morally correct, he simply does not talk about it in that particular book because that is not his point. The point is discussing raw power, not morality. I think that is were most lay readers get confused.
For those Filipinos who watched this and still think that there is such a thing as "good" Machiavellian" probably didn't watch the whole video at all. Please be ashamed of yourself if you think that a leader should be Machiavellian
Oh yeah. Machiavelli is one of the best political philosophers. He's been hilariously misunderstood and had motives attributed to him he doesnt deserve. Mad respect for this guy, especially with just how practical and honest he was. The prince is an assessment and analysis of the mechanics of power. Not a treatise or a manifesto. Great video.
@kite man He could mean it ironically too? He was stripped of his power by the newly installed ruler of Florence. So he might have some sort of grudge against him. Imagine Machiavelli PUBLICLY telling the ruler of Florence this, "YESS, please do more atrocious behavior for the sake of gaining more power, unite Italy swiftly and brutally, and please ignore the regional differences and minorities, they are in the way of you becoming our MOST GLORIOUS SUPREME LEADER!!".
@@coolfer2 Doubt it. He wrote it before he was stripped of his title and exiled. The current government at the time gave him a nice position and those seeking to depose it means his own deposition. It does seem he wrote it at the time for the current government to come down harder on rebels lest he lose his own cushy position.
You should read it slowly, even better if you have the audio book too. If you could understand and apply to your situation, especially if you're a high level management in a company or organization, the first thing you'll realize is that you can now put yourself in a less vulnerable situation. MUCH less.
@@MichaelHarto I don't work in a company, but can I apply it on my daily life ? I mean in my interaction with people ? Would it help me put my self in a stronger situation with people ?
@@anfalabdellaoui725 for everyday life you'd be better prepared by reading the art of war by sun tsu and meditation by marcus aurelius. It can help you mold your perspective and mind to react and plan for everything while still being calm. The prince by niccolo machiavelli and 48 laws of power by robert greene are the perfect combination on how to build your own empire, how to maintain your authority, and how to keep your key figures in line.
Managing to do a whole video about Machiavelli, without once quote his most famous citation: "the end justifies the means" and instead bring to light the other aspects of his writing is impressive. While I still think that the word is used right, you are awesome TED-Ed, thank you for your hard work !
I'm here after one of our presidentiables was ask whether he's Machiavellian. I never understood why he said yes. Now I know why. After this, I think I might read the book to better educate myself.
I've read some novels depicting Machiavelli as an individual of cunning manipulation and an advocate of tyranny. I've never would have thought to look at it the way this video portrayed. Thank you so much, Ted-Ed.
I'm no apologist. I'm not a pinklawan. In fact, I can't even vote this year's election but I did watch the interview. If you really watched Marcos Jr.'s answer when asked if he was a Machiavellian, you'll see that he didn't immediately answered yes or no, instead he just said that he knows a lot of people who are/were machavellians. The professor (Clarita) then clarified the question and told him that what she meant was not the "bad" machavellian.
Didn't you watch this video? It's obviously saying that there is no good machiavellian, machiavellian used in a good way is still bad. Just look at the comments years ago, does it look like positive to you?
Being a Machiavellian puts power as the goal. Not ideals such as integrity and honesty. Power. So there is no benevolent Machiavellian. Only people who want power and is willing to maintain it.
When I studied this in high school, I remember the latter interpretation being the one asserted to me. That is, that the piece is less a manual than an indictment of those in power, a description of the tools and methods already used to be revealed to the populace. I personally remember a slight satirical tone to "The Prince", but its been a while
Since the comment section has come quite far from the actual video I just wanna remind you all to READ and compare all the candidates’ (OWN. THEIR OWN) achievements, track record, educational attainment, qualifications, concrete platforms, debates, and decide who you should vote for. NEVER SETTLE FOR LESS, AND RAISE YOUR STANDARDS. FILIPINOS DESERVE BETTER.
When I say BBM, what is the first thing that comes in mind? a. the son of a dictator (we all know this fact) b. a Machiavellian (as he answered) c. a liar (as proven by the universities themselves) d. sAbAy- sAbAy e. All of the above
THANK YOU TED-ED this is actually one of the most well-designed pieces on Machiavelli I've seen, although it would be helpful to remind the audience he was careful to have it published after his death because he knew he would be punished if it was published well he was alive, as well as the fact it was written in Italian rather then Latin so more common Italians, could read it rather then locking it to the nobility as an audience.
you know what I find weird about this video recommendation? In Philippines youtube context, in the last few days, one of the current running candidates running for presidency this year is called Bong Bong Marcos (the son of former Dictator President Ferdinand Marcos). With that in mind, I believe the rest of the international audiences living in western culture know what being a hated dictator entails. At one of his latest national televised interviews, a question was given to him being? "Are you a machiavellian?" Long story short, despite being kneecapped in public view, he and his followers still trying to regain the power his family once lost. But majority of the public are not taking his response to the question kindly.
I had the opportunity to read this in 9th grade in my school's library. shaped me forever to this day its helped me escape from manipulative people. Highly recommend the read.
I learned in high school in the 90's that The Prince was a political satire. This is not new. Its just that people think they know what they are talking about when they actually don't. Its driven me crazy the way people have interpreted this work. Satire has always been lost on the uninformed.
except the idea that its satire is just a theory... an unsupported theory all things considered. "people think they know what they are talking about when they actually dont" indeed.
You forgot to mention the godfather Statesman: Kautilya and his "Arthashastra"! Mark Twain said, "Kautilya's Arthashastra is the 'radical' version of The Prince."
@Chitragupta Yeah but europeans based on machiavelli's ideas conquered the whole world, what about chanakya and his influenced thinkers? He might have made the largest empire in india but machiavelli influenced the biggest empire ever made (british) who in fact conquered the whole of india, even bigger than chanakya's indian empire was, you're just being biased about your own region.
I actually read "The Prince" about a year ago! It's fascinating to see a pragmatic view on how power operates, and it really helped me to understand power politics as a whole. Perhaps then TED-ED is correct in that it goes both ways. I suggest reading it, if not for the amazing stories of treachery that occurred in his time!
Tywin Lannister? Tyrion: You just sent the most powerful man in westeros(jofrey at the time) without his supper Tywin: "Do you really think A crown gives you power?" Tywin: explain to me why is more noble to kil ten thousand men than to kill few at a dinner(wedding)? Tyrion: to save lives? Tywin: to end the war and protect the family
Came here after Prof. Carlos. Didn't know that Machiavellians are manipulative hiding in the appearance of quiet unbothered "sheep" (2:25) and to the point of attacking and oppressing other people through tyranny (2:13). In the end, Machiavelli created the idea of Machiavellians for as a manual guide for tyrannical rulers. Scary. 😭😭 kay Isko na lang ako.
As what Prof. Carlos asked him, there is a good Machiavellian and bad Machiavellian (in which BBM answered the good one). That good Machiavellian is what nation a will need. If a leader is too kind, he/she will be abused and will not be treated seriously. Wag na tayong lumayo. Nung HS pa tayo, gustong gusto natin yung mga teacher na sobrang bait, pero kitang kita rin natin kung pano sila utuin, hindi galangin ng mga barumbadong studyante. Pero pag ang teacher ay "good Machiavellian" na mabait pero hindi natatakot magpakita ng pagiging strikto at mahigpit, sila yung kinatatakutan ng mga barumbado at minamahal ng karamihan kasi kahit strikto sila, akya nilang ipakita yung mabuting side nila sa mga deserving na tao.
@@woojinbloo44 sorry po, 'di ko ma-gets example mo. Bilang isang estudyante, mas gusto ko pa rin ang mabait na guro dahil sila karaniwan mataas magbigay ng marka. Ayaw ko sa mga terror prof. Walang 'good machiavellian' dahil sa mata ng diyos, ang masamang aksyon ay masamang aksyon. Yorme na lang ako. Sana 'yung iba rin makita na si yorme ay mulat sa hirap, napaganda ang Maynila ng isang beses lamang naging Mayor kumpara sa deka-dekadang nakaupo na mga politiko na mula pa sa angkan ng political dynasty. Dating BBM, Yorme na ngayon ♥️➡️🤍. Alam ng isang mulat sa hirap ang hirap ng isang mahirap.
A certain Filipino Politician is like this. When his supporters were asked they said, "the opposition kept attacking him but he stayed calm, quiet, unbothered, and respectful." bc his target audiences are the uninformed and he liked them that way. He kept feeding them lies, misinformation, and revising facts and history. He has a troll farm all over the country that aims to revise the truth and destroy his opponents reputation, all the while he smiles and waves and look kind and peaceful. Those people who knew who he truly is, was livid and started protesting, they tried informing people about the lies, but they were just viewed as kids throwing tantrums. He was even asked if he was a Machiavellian, to then he just chuckled and waved a dismissive hand.
A bunch of 🇵🇭 citizens should watch this, especially after a state university professor turned The Prince into a talking point involving the son of a 🇵🇭 dictator
a proud Machiavellian while receiving applause from the clueless fanatics. He's very straightforward now about how he craves absolute power and his followers would still sacrifice their dignity for him. God save PH 🇵🇭
ohh, totoo? wehhh?? dinga?? dictator?? nabuhay kayo sa panahon ng sinasabihan nyong diktador?? malamang hindi tanga kayo eh, kulang na nga lang kayo sa comprehension puro pa kayo katangahan
Nakakaawa mga pilipinong sabik na sabik tuwing nakakarinig ng malalalim na english words, lalo na yung mga supporter ni marcos jr, sila yung tipong magsalita ka lang in english kahit kasupalpalan pa iyan, iisipin nila matalino ka na. Pero kapag magsalita ka in filipino kahit kabutihan ang lumalabas, tatawagin kang pabida.
My favourite quote from Ragnar (from show 'Vikings'): 'Power is only given to those who are prepared to lower themselves to pick it up' honorourable mention is that 'Power is always dangerous. It attracts the worst and corrupts the best.'
this video suddenly popped out while i’m scrolling in youtube, very timely since a politician, someone running for president in my country said he describes himself as a machiavellian.haha
I could believe that it's supposed to be a critique of Monarchy. It's essentially what CPG grey did with his video: "How to maximize misery" Some people still think he was really trying to teach people how to be miserable when he was actually showing everyone the things to avoid in order to minimize misery
Akshat J. No addictions are good. Temperance, moderation, balance is good.The addict /ego within wants us to believe, in order to continue the addiction behaviour. Of course it takes longer to die or get irreversible damage from some addictions rather than others.
Yes, Machiavelli wrote The Prince ironically. Yes, it has been misinterpreted. But I think the misinterpretation is kind of Machiavelli's fault. Sometimes irony is not a good idea because it's only understood within its context. As the book lived on, the context in which it was conceived was forgotten and so was the irony of its content. If you write something ironically it's only a matter of time that the irony is lost and your word is taken literally.
Was it ironic? He was a member of the ruling class as a diplomat and advocated for the peace and stability of the status quo in the midst rising of conflict. It seems more an appeal to his government to come down harder on rebels because his own position would be threatened. The video shows he lost his position and exiled when his government was deposed.
@sor3999 Machiavelli only wrote the essay *after* losing his position and being exiled from Florence, you seem to be confused 😅 (And he also favoured republics over monarchies, so it probably was ironic)
Lorenzo de Medici was the patronage of Botticelli and Michaelangelo, was what I learnt from my current first Art history class! Always such an amazing feeling to randomly be able to connect things you know!
And the fact that book was satire [what power not ought to be] flew over their heads. Not surprised tho. Our country is full of edgy poorly educated people.
2:07 in that clip, reminded me of David Ben Gurion, the first prime minister of Israel. That's exactly what he did during the first Arab-Israeli war of 1948. He striked Palestinian territories by killing, driving and even persuading some of them to leave. Before the war, he did all the investigation he needed through his intelligence groups. He knew all the villages' political spectrum and to the degrees of which they will try to resist. So if he found village A is quite rebellious, he ordered the army to completely wipe them out. If village B is found to be more obedient, he told the army to persuade them to leave. And he did all this with no mistakes, with such accuracy and cruelty. He could have been inspired by Machiavelli as well.
who else watching this cause filipino peeps are romanticizing the definition of the word machiavellianism?but is it really possible for machiavelli to be a positive definition?
no... there is no machiavellianism in a good way. in its core, evilness is integrated in machiavellianism bcs you cant justify the "the ends justify the means" idea without doing some mental gymnastics. so any "good" machiavellianism isnt really machievellianism because you're taking away a central part of it.
@@theali8oras274 Your cortex reasons what is right using humanist-biased utilitarian values to do something that is emotionally wrong for most. Dropping the WW2 A bomb was right to save thousands of US troops from a mainland assault of Japan, though it feels wrong to take thousands of lives instananeously, many whom were arguably innocent. Frontal lobe cortex reasoning trumps limbic emotional gut feelings, or morals. It's from Isaac Asimov's Foundation series.
@@Highlyskeptical all you re doing is describing your moral reasoning. Your idea of basing it in "humanist utilitarian values" (which btw idk how you can say supporting the bomb) doesnt mean anything. You just have an inner clash of ideas.
@@Highlyskeptical Every argument can be backed by both rationality and emotion. There's even a rational justification as to why morals must exist because that's what shielding the whole of humanity from destruction. Morals are shared subjectivity that must be followed. Of course, the US dropped the bomb to save the lives of its people from the Japanese, but in the process, killing the innocent Japanese, purely out of self-interest. Self-interest is connected with feeling rather than logic. In a nutshell, the US did what is right for itself rather than the whole and a so-called moralistic approach would have dealt with what is right for the whole rather than the one's own. Both sides subscribe to some kind of feeling. And you have no right to kill me over something which I have no part of.
There's this interview about a presidential candidate in my country being asked whether he is a Machiavellian or not. Almost all of the audience had to google what that word means.
Another unmentioned point is that before The Prince, he wrote a similar piece on establishig a democracy and how to maintan it, possibly because at the time where he wrote it was very unsure what government he would fall under, so better to be playing for both sides (although it didn’t work out for him)
@@delelang2004 but u often misinterpreted it something positive connotation which is not lol. Be careful in ur choice of words, not bcs it hears pleasing it must also have positive meaning.
My auntie gave me them when i was 6 and i read them _very_ slowly and then stopped reading them. Last year i went on holiday for a month and brought them. Never have i been so interested in a series
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Little Finger from GOT reading art of war..damn such combination
00:18 who are the other 2 characters except littlefinger?
I have been getting a few panic attacks and Addison Anderson's voice helps me calm down. So I've been watching Ted Ed videos. Replenishing knowledge is a lovely bonus.
papi machiavelli
The quote is actually incomplete.
"If you cannot be both it is better to be feared than loved but avoid being hated at all costs"
YES! THANK YOU! So many people overlook the absolutely crucial qualifiers in Machiavelli's writing: the "if"s and "but"s and "be ready to"s and "may"s. He's not encouraging sinister behavior, he's simply acknowledging conditions where it might exist.
@@lissyemmy I'm actually writing a book where one of the characters reads Machiavelli religiously, so for it to be believable I'd better know his work pretty damn well myself.
Except for those crazy controlling abusive twats who take fear as a form of power over you.
They are malicious AF
@@sunsetkitty2932 True. And more often than not those kinds of people end up becoming hated and cause their own downfall (see r/prorevenge for multiple examples) which Machiavelli accurately predicts
@@angelofdeath1896 I don't remember reading that in "The prince". The closest it came to that was "if you must do someone an injury make it quick and decisive so that you never need worry about them again"
"An ideal without the grounds for reality is merely an illusion, a reality without the grounds for ideals is merely an object." Watching this video reminded me of this statement.
where did that phrase come from?
Jezrel Carvellida Actually it came from not-so-well known figure. Name Lyuh Woon Hyung, he was a Korean independence activist during the colonial rule of the Japanese and the man who tried to unify the Korea after it got split north and south. He said this when the conflict seemed to get only worse and division to be getting more and more consolidated. Meaning that idealogies are important yet the reality of a dire need for a unified nation should not also be ignored.
@@paulhan1615 thanks sir!
i need to remember that one!
really? ideals create realities and all is an illusion, a reality without ground cannot exist
A man who shares his thoughts on how to be manipulative is not manipulative. Hes honest and decent and tries to protect naive people from being absorbed by this cruel world.
You described me 💯
Trully agree.
Nice
Fair. Imo is that Not what the White hat hacker community is based Around
You pointed just another delusion. Describing ways of the "dark path" can be a perfect camouflage as well as maintaining the image of the person who "investigated his shadow, understood monster within him, became very self-critical, open-minded, compassionate, sincere and truth-loving through that".
These narratives like "i read Jung, Nietscze, Dostoevskiy and, therefore, im better person" is just another 21 century Machiavellian trick to acquire power, reputation, recognition and money.
If some guy cries on camera, talks all the time how strangers approach to him on the street with stories of how "he helped them" and publicies details of his family life "oh look how great are we!" then im extremely suspicious of him.
“Learn the way to hell, in order to flee from it.”
There are many ways to the kingdom of despair, but only through salvation could you ever hope to leave
ITS ALL AN ILLUSION YOU CHOICES ARE ALL AN ILLUSION
I googled this and I can't find the original source??
@@jirogyro650 argue that to the electric chair. This passive nihilism is wishful thinking. Yet Modern people no longer want the responsibility of 'choice'.
Beans i think that you are missing the point
“Absolute power does not corrupt absolutely, absolute power attracts the corruptible.”
Who says that? Could you elaborate?
@@MLBlue30 It's a quote from the writer Frank Herbert in his book Dune. For a sci-fi fantasy book written in the 60's it was severely ahead of its time in its plot, philosophies and moral grayness of its characters.
Would definitely recommend it for everyone to read.
ArtWithSR I’m definitely going to check it out
@@ArtWithSR a play on a famous aphorism by lord acton
WOW! And 925 people did a thumbs up!
“The lion cannot protect himself from traps, and the fox cannot defend himself from wolves. One must therefore be a fox to recognize traps, and a lion to frighten wolves.” -Machiavelli, fox & lion
This quote reminds me of the "dicks, pussies, and assholes" speech from Team America World Police
@@neighandwhinnymchorse2100 no.
@@neighandwhinnymchorse2100 what? No i don't wanna know.
Fox and lion😂😂
"Sometimes you gotta be a lion so you can be the lamb you really are." Dave Chapelle's Mom
This is why knowledge should never be only available to leaders, but also to followers and normal citizens.
But you'd probably understand why such knowledge would be hidden from the average person.
How would the world turn out if everyone were omniscient.
That’s the problem can’t get the common man to go to college. Got a million excuses why they don’t go!
The problem is not in the availability of knowledge but in the proliferation of knowledge.
A common person like me wouldn’t care to know how politics work and similarly others wouldn’t care either.
Those who do are the true rulers.
@Cole Alan I went to college and I am a conservative. They don’t want you to educate yourself because I guarantee you all the 1% children are getting college degrees.
Machiavelli: "It is a warning, not a manual!!"
Orwell: "First time?"
It otherway around mate.
And Orwell was a democratic socialist. Liberals and right wingers should be aware of that
@@EclecticoIconoclasta Oh yes, he participated the Spainish civil war on the liberals side, he said that at the time the group he's in was the best of his life, but when Stalinist advisors showed up, things spirall down badly.
@@EclecticoIconoclasta Why does that matter?
Kafka second time?
Nitchzte third time?
'Machiavellian' is still an accurate word to use in that context though. 'Orwellian' doesn't refer to George Orwell's attributes, it refers to his famous work's attributes. Same goes for Machiavelli
@Adrian Schneider ?
@Adrian Schneider It... Literally does though????
If Kaguya says it, it must be true. 🤔
I cane ti tge comment section to say say simler we haven't been using the word wrong for that long. Give it awhile and the meaning changes to meet people's perceptions.
@@luigioliva5714 Bro it's self evident
How to avoid drawing hands
I just scrolled down to see if anyone else noticed.
This is part of a plan for TED-Ed to phase hands from their animations all along!
Beautiful.
They were so creative, I tell you.
Astute observation
Just to clarify: Machiaveli wasn't a bad guy, he just had a realistic vision about power
Also the reason he wrote all those books was so that the current prince of Florence realise how good of an advisor he was and end his banishment!
anubis. The terrible thing is that his work can be used for bad purposes, and everyone who cares about our species and our survival , should preferably and wisely get together and defend ourselves, asking 5.G to stop until there is evidence for it being all right. Apparently, a new law says that 5G cannot be obliterated by us after its installation, only now, before. EVEN if we become ill from it. So each one of us is called to find out and decide for himself. This is a tremendous critical point with chance for evolving towards our higher destiny. Let us not miss/waste it please.
Microvaves can give influenza symptoms like Convideo19..Wuhan apparently got 5G installed just before the outbreak of the flu. The individuals I saw falling to the floor in the underground on a YT-news(?) video, looked more like influenced by microwave attack than by flu. Flu symptoms do not include falling to the ground. Microwaves can be set to disturb the heart's functioning causing sudden falling.
Fax
In my opinion he clocked the tea where the tea needed to be clocked and Hadn’t been for centuries. 🐸 ☕️
One thing doesn't exclude the other
My stepfather gave me The Prince to read when I was around 16, I understood his takes but couldn't see the applications on the real world, after I've grown up and got more into politics I started to see what he meants and how the world works. I firmly believe that Machiavelli influenced to the point where I advocate for change by any means because I know the people in power will use any means to maintain the status quo.
Yes.That's why it is great reading.A cautionary tale about what those in power are willing to do to keep it. The how to manual for politicians, so that we know their means.
You can still apply Machiavellian ideas into modern politics, such as that leaders should sometimes have to sacrifice their ideals of morality or ideals for the sake of practical effectiveness such as in economics, domestic or foreign affairs. Politicians might need to lie to the public and sacrifice promises for transparency for the sake of national security or to protect your political career so you could help your country more. Politicians might have to raise taxes and go against their beliefs in order to save the economy just like what George H.W Bush did when he raised taxes despite saying "Read my lips; No new taxes" in order to fix the budget deficit that was created by Ronald Reagan.
I think the point Machiavelli was trying to make us see that the world we live in is not perfect and all of the bad actions we do today in order to serve the greater good or if its just unrealistic and impossible to achieve perfection and what we want, is the price of dealing with the world as it is, and not how it should be.
But it is not about those on power but only a Prince.
Honestly when I first read The Prince (I was 15) I got what he meant. I was always into politics so I assume that's why
The Art of War and The 48 Laws of Power are great books to read regarding power
How do you apply Art of war in your life?
@@sparsh1478 Something something marcus aurelius and stoicism.
@@sparsh1478
Excellent question. When I first read "The Art of War", the remark that the greatest battle victory is one without injury. Sun Tsu may have meant intimation, but I also took it as diplomacy. Of course, the former can be used in the latter. Mutually Assured Destruction, and disarmament talks can both be interpreted as being under his remark.
Art of war gives you the basic on how to prepare and plan for a battle or war(business or political power struggle). How and what to look for before planning a confrontation and when to engage and/execute your plan.
48 laws of power teaches you on a more relevant and practical level on how to establish your own little empire and how to maintain your authority.
I'd recommend you read the prince and then 48 laws of power. You could just skip art of war unless you're totally inexperienced in a confrontation.
A more suitable match for the art of war is meditation. It could help you mold your perspective before making any important decision.
@sparsh kandpal simple. I wanted to get into really good Universities. They required writing essays. I portroyed myself as a victim. I got on . I used ' all warfare is based on deception'( life is war!!) And ' to truely defeat your enemies you must know them. Not just their tactics but their philosophy, habits.....) . I intense researched not about essays nd how to write them but about the people reading the essays themselves. Result: I got in with a fail in 11th grade. It doesn't matter how u use it. Think of the teaching like formula and improvise as you see fit. Knowledge is power coz it is malleable.
I’ve never even heard about that word before, but now I’m interested in learning more
If you are interested in reading more about those who followed in the footsteps of Machiavelli and his school of thought, I'd recommend you read The Machiavellians: Defenders of Freedom.
Make sure you do.
-4 Subscribers with a hammer addiction
You must not listen to much of the classics like Pac
Really? Great book
I'd suggest you to read some support articles along with the book. By that I mean other authors talking about it, like you'd get in introductory classes to Political Science. It enables you to understand the book deeply. In any case though, you'd not waste your time
It is much safer to be feared than loved, but never hated. That last part is left off too often. I'm grateful that high school philosophy teacher assigned The Prince to us to read.
Philosophy in high school,? 😪😭Lol
Well said
In Italy studying Macchiavelli is compulsory...He was an amazing man honestly...I suggest reading it
I've read it, but I should read more about him.
Kristian Fagerström I strongly encourage you to!
Yes, along with his theatrical production (La mandragola FTW!). Good to see another Italian follow this channel 😍
I'm a Filipino that admired and fascinated by Macchiavelli, so much!
I bought The Prince.
Notice how the character at 2:51 removes his rose tinted glasses.
Jeff Carroll Did you just
All he did was remove them, am I missing something?
Johnoè 👌
Don't tell me what to notice, Jeff
@@Jojohumf he does this: 👌
April 3, 2022: I'm a filipino and I don't know why RUclips recommended this video at this moment of time. Very timely
YT Algorithms is the answer.
Mine was this and about dictatorship. (I didn't mention a name)
Niccolo Machiavelli was among the first thinkers to apply secular thoughts in studying politics, in line of the Renaissance zeitgeist. Political thought before Machiavelli was dominated by Christian morality: good rulers were virtuous, honest, God-fearing, Christian. Since Machiavelli was a student of history of the Classical Age (and had first-hand experiences in diplomacy, political turmoils and events in Europe), he yearned for the glorious age of the Roman Empire--stability and power. He removed the Christian deux ex machina that "GOD" or miracles had a hand of human history, and replaced it with human agencies.
Machiavelli remained Catholic all throughout his life, but he believed that in ruling a nation/state, values and morality were hindrances, if not impractical nor susceptible to political intrigues. Hence, "the end justifies the means."
Even to this day, the majority of people still find this so hard to understand. It's really disappointing.
Definitely Catholic? Do you have a link to confirm this please? This one detail is so curiously obfuscated by his notorious characterisation in death.
One of the listed virtues by Machiavelli was being religious and even noted some historical characters that were not religious and were described as almost nihilistic psychopaths. So Machiavelli was not completely secular. Plus, he also championed religion and myth to creating the rich culture that made great civilizations.
+Paul Ramos
It was dominated by Christian morality but I think you fail to understand that the morality was based on who was worthy of God's favor and if they could retain such worth and NOT on this Deus EX Machina of "that "GOD" or miracles had a hand of human history" that you seem to think.
As for him removing it... well, you're kinda right but also kinda wrong since the morality he argued disregarding is still based on Christian morals so it was still there.
Machiavelli became the Ultimate Machiavellian when Machiavelli was cast out the Machiavellian Monarch group, and decided to write Machiavellian as the Ultimate Machiavellian stratedgy against the Machiavellians.
I love you, TED-Ed. You're a thousand times more interesting than my teachers. Every time they play one of your videos, it's a good period.
thats very sad ur teachers are being paid to show their students RUclips videos...
like they *must* know theyre not good teachers.... why else would you play someone else's video to teach for you?
@@lostpockets2227 They might also use them as a reward for hard work as well. Let's not jump to conclusions from a single sentence.
@@lostpockets2227 Because they are good teachers, who incorporate modern media if it benefits their lessons.
I doubt that your average teacher, who has to prepare X lessons every week, has the skills or the time to put together such a concise and well illustrated video, just to spark the pupils interest in a topic.
Why wouldn't you use such high-quality material in your classes when it's readily available?
@@adriantcullysover4640 ... Trust me, periods are a very good thing; what happens without them is what is bad! XD
@@cavv0667 dont tell that to aunt Bessie. She's going through menopause
It's funny how yt recommended this to me while there is a presidential candidate here in the Philippines who view Machiavellian as a positive attitude and got praised hagdg
Yep. Filipinos aren't media literate.
(2)
Same
nakakalungkot hakdog, dami na talagang nabibiktima ng fake news
Uhh maybe you should finish watching the video? I can answer some questions if you didn't understand a thing.
Sorry Machiavelli, we apparently learned nothing.
@harold sam well they sound good
Some of us *did* learn from our mistakes
This might just be my favorite youtube comment ever
Natural selection. Those who can't learn don't deserve any of the spoils.
@@lehotbananfrommicrowavesta8975 those who don't learn from history tend to repeat it.
This is such an interesting video, I had never thought of The Prince this way.
OneManWolfPack it may also be interpreted as a satire of princely power. His examples in the book are inconsistent with context. For example he describes Moses as a “lawgiver” when the Bible makes it clear he didn’t. Additionally because of his torture by the medicci , it could be an attempt to trick the prince into taking his advice and eventually he deposed.
Yeah, me neither
have u not read it?
This came out of my recommendations after the son of the late Filipino dictator Ferdinand Marcos, claiming that he is Machiavellian. He is running for the Presidency this incoming election in May 9.
In case you're not aware, he won pink BETCH
“Any man who tries to be good all the time is bound to come to ruin among the great number who are not good. Hence a prince who wants to keep his authority must learn how not to be good, and use that knowledge, or refrain from using it, as necessity requires.”
I think the book can be summarized to this quote ,the world isn't a fair place , you won't be rewarded for being good ,sooner or later someone who's amoral will crush you, hence you should learn their tricks and tactics ,if you don't want to use it at least protect yourself from it.
Being bad is just going against norms, a Prince has freedom of action but limiting it gives him longevity. A few enemies with daggers in the back shows authority.
Wait but I love how the background music was kinda mysterious and suspenseful in the beginning but turned out kinda happy in the end
It really is something, but I can't find it anywhere...
Machiavelli was certainly not "the first to realize this difficult truth". Han Feizi and Shang Yang were ancient Chinese political philosophers who advocated for many of the same things that Machiavelli did.
Same with Chankya in India
Machiavelli might have been first European though
Just as Gutenberg wasn't the first to discover printing with movable metallic letters, but only the first European to do so
but we have issues with chinese words. singaporean me is crying
He was the first in Christian Europe. This is important to remember since ‘Machiavellian’ politicians in his time portrayed themselves as devout Christians.
@@thenablade858 Though it's worth noting that Machiavelli's treatment of the church in The Prince is rather dismissive. He treats it more like an unfortunate political roadblock rather than something sacred.
He just stated what needs to be done to achieve and maintain an efficient government. Nothing less nothing more. But the ones that could follow the instructions the most are always on the heavier spectrum of emotional detachment or psychopaths.
Michael Harto My thoughts exactly. You can tell someone how to get away with murder, but when they commit, is it really your fault? You didn’t tell them to do that. They made that choice on their own. It sounds to me like people used The Prince as a scapegoat to justify their own actions.
@@ciceroxnightmother2588 partly true, but another part is because some people can't process and differentiate between those contexts.
Michael Harto this is true
Because that is exactly what is needed.
He stated *one way* to maintain an efficient government. I refuse to believe it is the only one.
; "Its better to be feared then loved, IF YOU CANNOT BE BOTH"
What doesnt kill you makes you stronger.
let me put two Unrelated quotes that sound somehow related in the same comment and sound pseudo deep
"Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both ... I want people to be afraid of how much they love me. - Michael Scott" -Me
_Im pretty sure a car hitting me and breaks my leg doesn't kill me but it makes me weaker instead_
@@kharkovluzhin8333 A fracture healed is stronger at the fractured place than it was before the injury.
@@Medietos well if your ankle break it will heal but it would never the same, if your eyes break then it wont even heal, if your skin get cut then it form a scar,etc
He basically just told the quiet part loud. Absolute genius.
The OG "Facts don't care about your feelings."
Kinda. But bear in mind the time period Machiavelli lived in was cut-throat.
It's probably more suited to corporate activity nowadays. Most governments aren't in the buisiness of starting succession crises and wars with their neighbours.
Our world as grown so much closer since his time.
don’t insult machiavelli like that
@@pixelpeach193 Would it be an insult if it's true? 🤔
@@Madhattersinjeans nope, only the methods are different, it evolved to become an indirect strategy in political stage. The core of the instructions are still true. Especially the ones about maintaining your power.
But a ruler must care about the feelings of his subjects, if he wishes to earn and keep their favour. In the words of Jocko Willink who covered The Prince on his podcast: "Take care of your people, and your people will take care of you."
Littlefinger earned his status.
@LagiNaLangAko23 It's a sin to kill a mockingbird
CHAOS IS THE LADDAH!
i would say this is more apt for varys than littlefinger.
I'd say it describes Tywin the most
Varys was much more like machiavelli while Tywin was an ideal machiavellian prince
what a timing na nasa recommendation ko 'to lol
Wow.. Ted-ed you are best in explanation whatever topic.... And awesome animation. You have doing noble work educating us..Thanks for your video..
Machiavelli was ultimate Machiavellian by writing the Machiavellian to expose the Machiavellians, all because Machiavelli was Machiavellianed by the Machiavellians
The innovative thing with Machiavelli is that he was able to separate reality from idealizations. He wrote about power as it is, not as he thought it should be, like nearly all of the political writers of his time. He also writes about it without engaging in moral aspects. Nothing in the book is defended by him as being morally correct, he simply does not talk about it in that particular book because that is not his point. The point is discussing raw power, not morality. I think that is were most lay readers get confused.
For those Filipinos who watched this and still think that there is such a thing as "good" Machiavellian" probably didn't watch the whole video at all.
Please be ashamed of yourself if you think that a leader should be Machiavellian
Completely agree, A certain candidate needs to take his classes.
Damn right...Those 🇵🇭 should also read "1984" and "The Handmaid's Tale," as cautionary tales of autocratic leadership.
Come on people just misinterpreted what prof carlos said she did say bad but she did not say good
it's a shame to say this but the UP professor also really needs to watch this video, she glamorizes it too much
@@francine13 huh, tuturuan mo ang professor nag mamagalng na kayo masyado, kayo ata sakim hindi si bong bong?
Oh yeah. Machiavelli is one of the best political philosophers. He's been hilariously misunderstood and had motives attributed to him he doesnt deserve. Mad respect for this guy, especially with just how practical and honest he was. The prince is an assessment and analysis of the mechanics of power. Not a treatise or a manifesto. Great video.
"Machiavelli wrote this book to help deter such actions."
Machiavelli: *Surprised Pikachu face*
@kite man thank you
@kite man He could mean it ironically too? He was stripped of his power by the newly installed ruler of Florence. So he might have some sort of grudge against him. Imagine Machiavelli PUBLICLY telling the ruler of Florence this, "YESS, please do more atrocious behavior for the sake of gaining more power, unite Italy swiftly and brutally, and please ignore the regional differences and minorities, they are in the way of you becoming our MOST GLORIOUS SUPREME LEADER!!".
@@coolfer2 Doubt it. He wrote it before he was stripped of his title and exiled. The current government at the time gave him a nice position and those seeking to depose it means his own deposition. It does seem he wrote it at the time for the current government to come down harder on rebels lest he lose his own cushy position.
Bongbong Marcos and Clarita Carlos: 🤡🤡🤡
Shhh baka masummon mo ang mga tallano believers.
Pinagyayabang pa nila yan mare 😭
Manghamangha sila kay clarita eh ung mga tanong hindi naman nakaka impress
Definition ng matalinong tao si clarita para sa mga boboem. 💀💀
@@carlgabrielcruz6580 bhie miriam defensor santiago walmart version💀💀💀💀
I got that book 6 months ago "The prince" , never read it ..
Guess it's time now ..
Thank you Ted-ed for the amazing video
Do that. it is short and to the point.
@@kristianfagerstrom7011 I will soon
You should read it slowly, even better if you have the audio book too. If you could understand and apply to your situation, especially if you're a high level management in a company or organization, the first thing you'll realize is that you can now put yourself in a less vulnerable situation. MUCH less.
@@MichaelHarto I don't work in a company, but can I apply it on my daily life ? I mean in my interaction with people ? Would it help me put my self in a stronger situation with people ?
@@anfalabdellaoui725 for everyday life you'd be better prepared by reading the art of war by sun tsu and meditation by marcus aurelius. It can help you mold your perspective and mind to react and plan for everything while still being calm.
The prince by niccolo machiavelli and 48 laws of power by robert greene are the perfect combination on how to build your own empire, how to maintain your authority, and how to keep your key figures in line.
Managing to do a whole video about Machiavelli, without once quote his most famous citation: "the end justifies the means" and instead bring to light the other aspects of his writing is impressive. While I still think that the word is used right, you are awesome TED-Ed, thank you for your hard work !
Nice RUclips algorithm, on point! It reminds me of BBM in his SMNI interview😅
My take on Machiavellianism can be summed as such:
"A Prince must love his people more than his own soul."
He must love power more. Such a pathetic king can be no good for people.
i don't entirely agree with your summation but i like that you're thinking
maybe more like a Prince must love power more than his own soul?
@@Emilia-sn7xw that's closer
With "people" you do not only mean those who _are_ but also those to come, right?
3:26 There it is, the only reason I watch TedEd,
their puns and animations are superb.
I'm here after one of our presidentiables was ask whether he's Machiavellian. I never understood why he said yes. Now I know why. After this, I think I might read the book to better educate myself.
You better read the book
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BBM-Sarah ❤
@@lysersalvador5022 machiavellian has a negative connotation lmao.
❤💚
@@lysersalvador5022 hahahaha nagkacivil war ampota
0:16 That's the biggest schemer Lord Petyr *littlefinger* Bailish.
omg you're right
Chaos is a ladder
OK but who's the lady? I see Walter White but idk who she is :/
@@ACAB.forcutie Maybe Isabelle de Merteuil from Dangerous Liaisons? I'm not entirely sure, as the female silhouette is less instantly recognizable.
I've read some novels depicting Machiavelli as an individual of cunning manipulation and an advocate of tyranny. I've never would have thought to look at it the way this video portrayed. Thank you so much, Ted-Ed.
This didn’t age well in the Philippines.
Most apologist have the narrowest of minds.
I'm no apologist. I'm not a pinklawan. In fact, I can't even vote this year's election but I did watch the interview. If you really watched Marcos Jr.'s answer when asked if he was a Machiavellian, you'll see that he didn't immediately answered yes or no, instead he just said that he knows a lot of people who are/were machavellians. The professor (Clarita) then clarified the question and told him that what she meant was not the "bad" machavellian.
Didn't you watch this video? It's obviously saying that there is no good machiavellian, machiavellian used in a good way is still bad. Just look at the comments years ago, does it look like positive to you?
Being a Machiavellian puts power as the goal. Not ideals such as integrity and honesty. Power. So there is no benevolent Machiavellian. Only people who want power and is willing to maintain it.
@@cliff026 so defensive
*Tywin Lannister's Personal HowTo*
When I studied this in high school, I remember the latter interpretation being the one asserted to me. That is, that the piece is less a manual than an indictment of those in power, a description of the tools and methods already used to be revealed to the populace. I personally remember a slight satirical tone to "The Prince", but its been a while
Since the comment section has come quite far from the actual video I just wanna remind you all to READ and compare all the candidates’ (OWN. THEIR OWN) achievements, track record, educational attainment, qualifications, concrete platforms, debates, and decide who you should vote for.
NEVER SETTLE FOR LESS, AND RAISE YOUR STANDARDS. FILIPINOS DESERVE BETTER.
When I say BBM, what is the first thing that comes in mind?
a. the son of a dictator (we all know this fact)
b. a Machiavellian (as he answered)
c. a liar (as proven by the universities themselves)
d. sAbAy- sAbAy
e. All of the above
Nasan plataforms nya dyan? Ay oo pla
@@kanyeeast7287 unity
f. unititi
g. ROAAAAAAR
dang,this was timely recommended
#unithieves
#kakampwet
THANK YOU TED-ED this is actually one of the most well-designed pieces on Machiavelli I've seen, although it would be helpful to remind the audience he was careful to have it published after his death because he knew he would be punished if it was published well he was alive, as well as the fact it was written in Italian rather then Latin so more common Italians, could read it rather then locking it to the nobility as an audience.
I love you Ted-Ed. You always introduce me to new topics and interest me more in topics I already know! Keep up the good work!
RUclips recommends you this, a coincidence of the term on the description that was recently controversial in Ph Politics.
you know what I find weird about this video recommendation?
In Philippines youtube context, in the last few days, one of the current running candidates running for presidency this year is called Bong Bong Marcos (the son of former Dictator President Ferdinand Marcos).
With that in mind, I believe the rest of the international audiences living in western culture know what being a hated dictator entails. At one of his latest national televised interviews, a question was given to him being?
"Are you a machiavellian?"
Long story short, despite being kneecapped in public view, he and his followers still trying to regain the power his family once lost. But majority of the public are not taking his response to the question kindly.
Lol trying hard much
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Bbm should watch this
I had the opportunity to read this in 9th grade in my school's library. shaped me forever to this day its helped me escape from manipulative people. Highly recommend the read.
I learned in high school in the 90's that The Prince was a political satire. This is not new. Its just that people think they know what they are talking about when they actually don't. Its driven me crazy the way people have interpreted this work. Satire has always been lost on the uninformed.
Power-politics really work that way, satire or not.
except the idea that its satire is just a theory... an unsupported theory all things considered.
"people think they know what they are talking about when they actually dont" indeed.
You forgot to mention the godfather Statesman: Kautilya and his "Arthashastra"!
Mark Twain said, "Kautilya's Arthashastra is the 'radical' version of The Prince."
@Chitragupta Yeah but europeans based on machiavelli's ideas conquered the whole world, what about chanakya and his influenced thinkers?
He might have made the largest empire in india but machiavelli influenced the biggest empire ever made (british) who in fact conquered the whole of india, even bigger than chanakya's indian empire was, you're just being biased about your own region.
I actually read "The Prince" about a year ago! It's fascinating to see a pragmatic view on how power operates, and it really helped me to understand power politics as a whole. Perhaps then TED-ED is correct in that it goes both ways. I suggest reading it, if not for the amazing stories of treachery that occurred in his time!
What do you expect to a 'son of dictator'
yaaaahh tama, + nameke ng degree
A better and strong Philippines.
@@sofia-jv5bzmay degree nga si lugaw nyo. boba naman
Tywin Lannister?
Tyrion: You just sent the most powerful man in westeros(jofrey at the time) without his supper
Tywin: "Do you really think A crown gives you power?"
Tywin: explain to me why is more noble to kil ten thousand men than to kill few at a dinner(wedding)?
Tyrion: to save lives?
Tywin: to end the war and protect the family
Came here after Prof. Carlos.
Didn't know that Machiavellians are manipulative hiding in the appearance of quiet unbothered "sheep" (2:25) and to the point of attacking and oppressing other people through tyranny (2:13). In the end, Machiavelli created the idea of Machiavellians for as a manual guide for tyrannical rulers. Scary. 😭😭
kay Isko na lang ako.
As what Prof. Carlos asked him, there is a good Machiavellian and bad Machiavellian (in which BBM answered the good one). That good Machiavellian is what nation a will need. If a leader is too kind, he/she will be abused and will not be treated seriously. Wag na tayong lumayo. Nung HS pa tayo, gustong gusto natin yung mga teacher na sobrang bait, pero kitang kita rin natin kung pano sila utuin, hindi galangin ng mga barumbadong studyante. Pero pag ang teacher ay "good Machiavellian" na mabait pero hindi natatakot magpakita ng pagiging strikto at mahigpit, sila yung kinatatakutan ng mga barumbado at minamahal ng karamihan kasi kahit strikto sila, akya nilang ipakita yung mabuting side nila sa mga deserving na tao.
@@woojinbloo44 There is no such thing as 'good' Machiavellian. Especially, if it was used in the context of The Prince.
@@mandrakesMD tell that to Professor Carlos and all the political analysts who say so.
@@woojinbloo44 sorry po, 'di ko ma-gets example mo. Bilang isang estudyante, mas gusto ko pa rin ang mabait na guro dahil sila karaniwan mataas magbigay ng marka. Ayaw ko sa mga terror prof. Walang 'good machiavellian' dahil sa mata ng diyos, ang masamang aksyon ay masamang aksyon.
Yorme na lang ako. Sana 'yung iba rin makita na si yorme ay mulat sa hirap, napaganda ang Maynila ng isang beses lamang naging Mayor kumpara sa deka-dekadang nakaupo na mga politiko na mula pa sa angkan ng political dynasty. Dating BBM, Yorme na ngayon ♥️➡️🤍. Alam ng isang mulat sa hirap ang hirap ng isang mahirap.
Yeah better switch to Isko. He's better choice than bbm
i love the sound design for this video, it's one of the best from TEDed
A certain Filipino Politician is like this. When his supporters were asked they said, "the opposition kept attacking him but he stayed calm, quiet, unbothered, and respectful." bc his target audiences are the uninformed and he liked them that way. He kept feeding them lies, misinformation, and revising facts and history. He has a troll farm all over the country that aims to revise the truth and destroy his opponents reputation, all the while he smiles and waves and look kind and peaceful. Those people who knew who he truly is, was livid and started protesting, they tried informing people about the lies, but they were just viewed as kids throwing tantrums. He was even asked if he was a Machiavellian, to then he just chuckled and waved a dismissive hand.
President Ferdinand "Bongbong" Marcos Jr., I presume???
nice try, kakamplonk
A bunch of 🇵🇭 citizens should watch this, especially after a state university professor turned The Prince into a talking point involving the son of a 🇵🇭 dictator
a proud Machiavellian while receiving applause from the clueless fanatics. He's very straightforward now about how he craves absolute power and his followers would still sacrifice their dignity for him. God save PH 🇵🇭
ohh, totoo? wehhh?? dinga?? dictator?? nabuhay kayo sa panahon ng sinasabihan nyong diktador?? malamang hindi tanga kayo eh, kulang na nga lang kayo sa comprehension puro pa kayo katangahan
They are defying the true meaning of Machiavellianism by admiring this pres candidate who proclaims himself as one.
Nakakaawa mga pilipinong sabik na sabik tuwing nakakarinig ng malalalim na english words, lalo na yung mga supporter ni marcos jr, sila yung tipong magsalita ka lang in english kahit kasupalpalan pa iyan, iisipin nila matalino ka na. Pero kapag magsalita ka in filipino kahit kabutihan ang lumalabas, tatawagin kang pabida.
If that Coke guy wins, then there's no hope for Philippines. People will be blind forever under his family's rule.
the animation is so genuine and majestic! an art piece truly, love this videos, keep it up!
Bat naman ni-recommend sa akin pagkatapos ng sagot ni dayunyor?
Ohmyghad same
You mean Prince Machiavelli 😂😂😂😂
POV: ur from ph and this was in ur recommendation👀
My favourite quote from Ragnar (from show 'Vikings'):
'Power is only given to those who are prepared to lower themselves to pick it up'
honorourable mention is that
'Power is always dangerous. It attracts the worst and corrupts the best.'
2:33 I can't stop thinking of Azula
"Its better to be feared than loved, when one cannot be both"
this video suddenly popped out while i’m scrolling in youtube, very timely since a politician, someone running for president in my country said he describes himself as a machiavellian.haha
I could believe that it's supposed to be a critique of Monarchy.
It's essentially what CPG grey did with his video: "How to maximize misery"
Some people still think he was really trying to teach people how to be miserable when he was actually showing everyone the things to avoid in order to minimize misery
Always end up binge watching TED Ed. Perhaps some addictions are good xD
Akshat J. No addictions are good. Temperance, moderation, balance is good.The addict /ego within wants us to believe, in order to continue the addiction behaviour. Of course it takes longer to die or get irreversible damage from some addictions rather than others.
ng dahil kay prof clarita na suggest ito ahh... ibang klase tlaga si youtube
Yes, Machiavelli wrote The Prince ironically. Yes, it has been misinterpreted. But I think the misinterpretation is kind of Machiavelli's fault.
Sometimes irony is not a good idea because it's only understood within its context. As the book lived on, the context in which it was conceived was forgotten and so was the irony of its content.
If you write something ironically it's only a matter of time that the irony is lost and your word is taken literally.
Was it ironic? He was a member of the ruling class as a diplomat and advocated for the peace and stability of the status quo in the midst rising of conflict. It seems more an appeal to his government to come down harder on rebels because his own position would be threatened. The video shows he lost his position and exiled when his government was deposed.
It's just true, I deal with power politics regularly (as Machiavelli did as diplomat too) and it just reflects reality. I see no irony in the book.
@sor3999 Machiavelli only wrote the essay *after* losing his position and being exiled from Florence, you seem to be confused 😅
(And he also favoured republics over monarchies, so it probably was ironic)
hope this gets on the recommendation page for a certain group of people
Hoping a video about stupidity would be recommended to pink idiots
Lorenzo de Medici was the patronage of Botticelli and Michaelangelo, was what I learnt from my current first Art history class! Always such an amazing feeling to randomly be able to connect things you know!
this is now the talk in my country. Goodness election season
I am here because the word " Machiavellian " had trend in Phillipine politics
Ain't no way this is HIS favourite book 💀
And the fact that book was satire [what power not ought to be] flew over their heads. Not surprised tho. Our country is full of edgy poorly educated people.
@@samgabvas9665 Thanks
same here haha
but I personally got hooked with Dr. Carlos's intelligent way of filtering all the debate attendees
Same😆
Galing ng algorithm 😭
Otto Von Bismarck is perfect example of machivellian
Bismarck always has a plan.
@@paulhan1615 well, you can't be machivellian without a plan
2:07 in that clip, reminded me of David Ben Gurion, the first prime minister of Israel. That's exactly what he did during the first Arab-Israeli war of 1948. He striked Palestinian territories by killing, driving and even persuading some of them to leave. Before the war, he did all the investigation he needed through his intelligence groups. He knew all the villages' political spectrum and to the degrees of which they will try to resist. So if he found village A is quite rebellious, he ordered the army to completely wipe them out. If village B is found to be more obedient, he told the army to persuade them to leave. And he did all this with no mistakes, with such accuracy and cruelty. He could have been inspired by Machiavelli as well.
@@paulhan1615 yeah, their are many examples of machivellian in the world from Kissinger, De Gaulle, Benjamin diseareli etc
paul han It was Walpole
who else watching this cause filipino peeps are romanticizing the definition of the word machiavellianism?but is it really possible for machiavelli to be a positive definition?
Pagpasensiyan na natin ang mga lbm supporters and their fantasies.
no... there is no machiavellianism in a good way. in its core, evilness is integrated in machiavellianism bcs you cant justify the "the ends justify the means" idea without doing some mental gymnastics. so any "good" machiavellianism isnt really machievellianism because you're taking away a central part of it.
@@mitsu7737 I disagree. You're dealing with ideals just like the video said.
WHERE THE FRICK WAS THIS VIDEO WHEN I WAS DOING AN ASSIGNMENT ON THE PRINCE????!!!!
Regardless, good video
Chandler JR
I only learned this picture was anarcho-capitalism a few months after I got it and after that I was just too lazy to change it
Chandler JR
Don’t worry, my ultimate private militia won’t hunt you down...for now
"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right." -Salvor Hardin, Foundation Mayor
This is nonsensical.
Your sense of morals is what tells you what's right
@@theali8oras274 Your cortex reasons what is right using humanist-biased utilitarian values to do something that is emotionally wrong for most.
Dropping the WW2 A bomb was right to save thousands of US troops from a mainland assault of Japan, though it feels wrong to take thousands of lives instananeously, many whom were arguably innocent. Frontal lobe cortex reasoning trumps limbic emotional gut feelings, or morals. It's from Isaac Asimov's Foundation series.
@@Highlyskeptical all you re doing is describing your moral reasoning. Your idea of basing it in "humanist utilitarian values" (which btw idk how you can say supporting the bomb) doesnt mean anything. You just have an inner clash of ideas.
@@Highlyskeptical Every argument can be backed by both rationality and emotion. There's even a rational justification as to why morals must exist because that's what shielding the whole of humanity from destruction. Morals are shared subjectivity that must be followed.
Of course, the US dropped the bomb to save the lives of its people from the Japanese, but in the process, killing the innocent Japanese, purely out of self-interest. Self-interest is connected with feeling rather than logic.
In a nutshell, the US did what is right for itself rather than the whole and a so-called moralistic approach would have dealt with what is right for the whole rather than the one's own. Both sides subscribe to some kind of feeling.
And you have no right to kill me over something which I have no part of.
the artwork is amazing, a pleasure to watch.
Philippines are getting wild.
get the popcorn
they're proud that their Candidate is a Machiavellian :///
@@peterenoviso2146 :/// nakakadisappoint
There's this interview about a presidential candidate in my country being asked whether he is a Machiavellian or not. Almost all of the audience had to google what that word means.
❤️💚
And everyone was proud of his answer. Hmmm
@@gluttonousprime let us not discuss about that po to avoid arguments hehe somebody will always reply :)
@@gluttonousprime because it is the right answer? Do you even know the question?
So there is no such thing as good Machiavellian?
Another unmentioned point is that before The Prince, he wrote a similar piece on establishig a democracy and how to maintan it, possibly because at the time where he wrote it was very unsure what government he would fall under, so better to be playing for both sides (although it didn’t work out for him)
POV: You're from the Philippines and Elections are a month away
Yung pinoy ako tas biglang nagpakita to sa recommendations ko 💀💀💀💀 Alam na hahaha
As someone who has read "The Prince" it's literally an explanation of what successful monarchs were doing already, but didn't want to admit they were.
oh mga LBBM. para maliwanagan kayo
For sure, most of the fanatics doesn't quite sure about its meaning...
here bc some filipino politician thinks the machiavellian way makes him a good president
It's up to the user how he would use the machiavellian leadership lol
@@delelang2004 but u often misinterpreted it something positive connotation which is not lol. Be careful in ur choice of words, not bcs it hears pleasing it must also have positive meaning.
@@delelang2004 Read the book first before saying such things. Obviously, u haven't read it yet.
So ipinagsisigawan mo dito? Proud ka ?
Who said that lmao
Has anyone here read ‘the secrets of the immortal Nicholas flamel’
It’s a series about mythology and prophecy
Niccolo Machiavelli is also in it
That series was so good I read it a couple of years ago
My auntie gave me them when i was 6 and i read them _very_ slowly and then stopped reading them. Last year i went on holiday for a month and brought them. Never have i been so interested in a series