The Drunk Captain That Crashed His Plane | Shaheen Air Flight 142
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Thank you to keeps for sponsoring this video. Stay tuned till the end of the video to learn more about them. This is the story of shaheen air international flight 142. Shaheen air was pakistans second largest airline key word was. At the peak of its popularity it was only second to pakistans flag carrier, pakistan international airlines. The airline mainly focused on domestic routes and a few routes to the middle east. The flight that we’re interested in, flight 142 was a domestic flight from Karachi to lahore. On the 22nd of april 2012 the captain and the first officer reached the flight operations center at karachi airport for flight 142, but they were running a bit late and so they rushed through the pre-flight briefings and meetings. But before they left the first officer got a weather report for Lahore. It was bad news, the visibility was trending down. But the weather at karachi was good so they decided to continue with the flight. Once in the cockpit the captain gave a short briefing about the takeoff and the taxi routes but interestingly he mentioned nothing about the weather at the destination.
At 3:08 am UTC the plane took off from Karachi bound for Lahore, as soon as it took off it started its climb to 33,000 feet. An hour went by and the plane was starting to near lahore, it was at this point that the crew needed to make a critical go no go call. The weather at lahore was pretty bad so they needed to decide on whether or not they wanted to divert to peshawar their alternate. After a bit of deliberation the pilots decided to head for lahore their intended destination, the last thing the pilots wanted was a plane full of annoyed passengers.
At 3:59 am flight 142 was cleared by lahore ACC to perform a vor dme approach to runway 36L but the captain wanted to use runway 36R, his request was denied because the runway was being upgraded to a cat three system. As the pilots prepped for the approach they got some bad weather news from the ground. “ Lahore weather warning for poor visibility due mist up till 0700E and present visibility 1200 meters”. They were having doubts about their decision to land at lahore. But lets talk about their approach thought the pilots were planning on carrying out a very unconventional approach. They planned to use the ILS of runway 36R , the runway that they were denied to line up with the runway and once they had the runways in sight they would line up with runway 36L. I mean theyre jumping through a lot of hoops to avoid flying that VOR DME approach. As the approach was being conducted the first officer tried to hail sialkot on the radio twice, without success to get weather information from there. Their alternate airport, peshawar was 50 minutes away and sialkot was a closer alternative but sialkot never responded.
As all of this was happening the captain wanted to make an RNAV approach to the runway. but this aircraft lacked the necessary hardware to make an RNAV approach , in addition to the fact that choosing an rnav approach at this stage was against recommended procedures.
A lot is happening in the cockpit as of right now, the captain is aksing for something that he shouldnt the first officer is trying to get in touch with an airport and then the first officer discovered something shocking. The captain had programmed the flight management guidance computer to land on runway 18L instead of runway 36L.
Once the plane was in contact with lahore approach the captain told the controllers that they were making an RNAV approach to runway 36L, apparently he had decided not to carry out the VOR DME approach. At 4:20 am lahore approach noticed that the plane was about 2000 feet 
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Lowkey legendary comment.
"We'll be cruising at 32,000 feet today, but I'm going to be just a little higher." _Takes a shot_
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Yours is the best comment on here about this video, by far.
Promote the “First Officer” to “Captain”, Demote the “Captain” to “Janitor” and then he can drink from a metal flask somewhere in the bowels of the airport away from airplanes and passengers.
"The last thing the pilots wanted was annoyed passengers."
There's the problem right there. The last thing a pilot should want is injured or dead passengers.
@Shourya Bose Exactly.
actually the first thing he wanted was a Stiff drink...he knew not to pilot a plane after drinking... (thats why I do NOT fly) you never know whats going on in the cockpit..
Some people fly better after a drink
Not to mention not being killed or injured himself.
In this case the Captain's name was Morgan
Considering the culture, the first officer probably did as much as he could. Dealing with a drunk personality requires more security and preflight inspection of the crew.
I hope that at some point there will be an alcohol and drug test.
Drunk passengers could be refused, not drunk crew members including pilots!!!
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Exactly.... while nowadays with it being such a hot button topic one has to choose ones words extremely carefully but I don't need to because you've already said it. Weirdly, I was reading an article on "hazing" earlier today - you know, what older University students do to fresh ones as a sort of baptism by fire. It's a very English public school thing although, thankfully, something which here in Britain we've largely grown out of. But there is still that legacy we've left behind in places like India/Pakistan/Sri Lanka/Bangladesh. It has to be recognised that some of those Edwardian attitudes still prevail there and that those places have just had less time and resources to get a handle on it. The whole class-ridden, rank aware Colonial vibe - bully and demand and get away with things because you're more senior. And if you're junior, you take the words of your boss as Gospel. Until those still prevalent background issues are acknowledged, challenged and dealt with specifically in training, incidents like these will continue to happen.....
@@greggstrasser5791 lol, doesn't affect their ability to fly
The first officer deserves a medal (for landing it without injuries).
Captain deserves to be in jail.
He was…
That captain ended his career.
Hi PD. Can't disagree about the FO. They had their hands full and doing what they should do. I am careful about jail time but if the pilot was impaired, it's a done deal. No one hurt? That is a miracle.
Absolutely agree 🙏✈️👍😷
Yes.
When you look at at some of these incidents you need to look at the culture of the aircraft crew, in this case you have a culture where there is a strong emphasis on juniors doing what their seniors want. I feel that had a lot to do with the first officer's behaviour.
Definitely!
I can bet this captain is flying again, he probably knows the right people.
true, and it is the reason i totally try to avoid flying with certain "problematic"-culture captains/airlines ...
@SAM you’re on the internet dude. Find it yourself 😂
Most important is to respect your elders
Before CRM became a training item, I was a senior Training and Check pilot in PIA (Pakistan) on B747s. In fact I was also the Chief Pilot 747 Type. Sometimes I would take a brand new copilot on his first flight in that aircraft. Part of my briefing to him was: "I have thousands of hours on this plane and am the second senior most instructor in our airline. AND I CAN MAKE MISTAKES! Part of your job is to keep and eye on what goes on in the cockpit and tell me when you see something that you don't like. You may be wrong, and I may have to wait until we are on the ground to explain it to you--BUT I will appreciate that you brought it to my attention." I would fly the plane to the first destination, and give him the return flight. This way I could judge his skill ask a copilot and later his basic flying skill. He was not allowed to use the auto pilot up to and down from 10,000ft. An airline pilot should be able to fly his plane manually and not become a slave to the autos. In my 37 years as an airline pilot there were two occassions when I had to take over from the captain to save the aircraft. I just said forcefully "I've got her" and took the controls. Surprisingly, on both times the captain later thanked me. Co pilots must be assertive if they think that the plane is in danger. Strangely, if the captain was that drunk, the cockpit should have been reekiing of alcohol. The captain deserved jail time for putting his aircraft, crew and passengers ar risk.
Sir you are a legend of PIA from it's heydays .
But the reality is Pakistani culture doesn't allow you to do that, elders are always right there is to much of a jee jee sir jee culture
South Asian ego gets in the way of sane decision making more than often..
@@takeabreath2412 No need to designate a region to the ego. I've seen that happen in different regions of the world by people of different nationalities, more than often.
Capt Johnny Sadiq, I enjoyed reading your book ,many years ago and remember that you retired in 2004. Fortunately, the passenger came out unscathed in this event. However, I'm sorry to say that a certain junior of yours on the 747, was solely responsible for downing an Airblue plane. It beggars belief that he flew that aircraft and completely bullied the co-pilot into submission. Your batch and the one just below , that included Capt Dara, Khalid Iqbal, Johnny Afridi and Zahid Jamali were great pilots. I flew with all of them as a child and later as a university student based in the US and UK.
My guess is that there was probably some power dynamic going on in the cockpit with the FO being intimidated by the Captain and/or poor or no CRM training that would have encouraged the FO to be more assertive
As in KLM Flight 4805.
Drunks can get pretty stroppy.
Agreed. I forgot what video I was watching where a former fighter pilot was making mistakes but because he has been an officer in the army no one would question him. It is scary how much that can impact a flight.
Sure, but it's just mind boggling that the captain showed up this sauced to work and the FO decided, "sure, I'll take my chances flying a plane with a drunk guy". At some point you'd hope self-preservation would kick in.
@@00muinamir You would hope, but some people yield to authority and question themselves instead. It's sad, but things like this happen more than you would like to believe.
I think the First Officer continued w/the landing because at least he knew what to expect. You do a go around and you're higher in the air, possibly over a heavily populated area, with a captain who has proved to be unpredictable. I'll take my chances w/the runway. As to why he didn't say anything to the captain, why would he? You risk the possibility of him doing something stupid again, or rage, hitting buttons, levers...I think he did the right thing as I feel it de-escalated the situation. No matter what, you're in a bad situation, make the best of it, if possible.
true - and I think a skilled pilot could have landed the plane even in this unstable approach w/o damaging it.
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CRM (Crew/Cabin Resource Management) is sadly overlooked in a lot of Asian/Middle Eastern carriers when it comes to pilot training.
First officers/Junior officers aren't encouraged to speak up or defy the captain because the captain is "the boss" and the hierarchy dictates that they have to follow their orders no matter what. Taking the controls away from the captain would have been considered "disrespectful" even if it was very much necessary in this case.
Korean Airlines had this same problem back in the day. Thankfully enough, they eventually got around to doing proper CRM training for their pilots and their safety record is a lot better than it used to be.
This is exactly what I was thinking before I started to read the comments.
@Alfred Weber The subservient/slavish cultures! LOL!
Yes indeed Middle Eastern carriers such as Qatar airways and Emirates ………. 🤔
The term Middle East can not be applied haphazardly .
i am from Pakistan, i am pretty sure that it was fear of a superior position and the power the captain possibly has to de-rail the first officer career. thats just the culture in the country unfortunately
The damaged plane is still at the Lahore airport, left in a corner. The accident also led to the ultimate downfall of Shaheen Air.
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It's by across the fence, opposite the army museum near Askari right? The burnt out hull I think I've seen "Shaheen" Emblazoned on th side of it
@@zarakdurrani7584 yes, that's the one
There is a plane on the side of the shaheen plane which is so old that the plane itself has no livery
I think they removed the livery off of that deliverately@@Shipfan234
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So glad that everyone survived this could have been fatal at least to some. Didn't know about this crash. You often cover less-known crashes. Great job!
I encountered a delay due to weather. I wasn’t annoyed. I’d rather be safe than dead. People need to understand that air travel is a privilege not a given right.
This. More people need to understand this.
@John Smith yeah yeah baloney 🤣🤣
Captain was arrested. The investigation report suggested that the pilot, the airline as well as the Civil Aviation Authority were found negligent.
Captain was a Punjabi paindoo.
@@bhadwamodi8294 not enough bro, every guy working in CAA is punjabi, only guards might be pathans,
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If someone says jesus is supreme you get death sentence.....Just for saying.
But if you drink alcohol and become a harami commuting haram he only gets arrested.
Hypocrisy at its best.
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Really.... I'd be way more concerned if the blood test didn't show he was stressed after almost crashing a plane and being investigated.
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In addition to the first officer being the subordinate in the cockpit hierarchy, this captain was probably well practiced at hiding his drunkeness. The FO might have only had it dawn on him as the captain blearily refused to release his yoke. Glad nobody died!
Even in auto traffic, you are not permitted to drive with this blood alcohol level.
Smart investigation, as a Pakistani i still remember this incident very well and just a little correction. This happened in 2015 not 2012. Otherwise great video.
And in the month of october i used to see this aircraft going towards fortress stadium and other destinations this aircraft is still lying along with another shaheen air 737 i guess was the one which crash landed at karachi in April 2012 due to landing gear disintegrerated at runway which mistankenly uploader with the former
Both are scrapped like a graveyard of planes and now their fate is yet to be decided
I landed on same runway two hours earlier on PIA flight from Heathrow
first officer should get a medal for his efforts
the captain should go to jail with his license removed
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And I can’t believe this is the second time you’ve used this title. Of all the professions in the world, you’d think airline pilots would have the sense not to come to work drunk.
You don't understand substance abuse.
You'd think a Muslim would have the sense not to come to work drunk never mind an airline pilot.
Ex ATP here.... well, this could have to do with a rather steep power gradient between the two.
This could have prevented the FO to take over controls much, much earlier - say when still being at 5000 feet when they should have been at 3000 feet. Next to impossible to attain a stabilized approach after that. The FO did let this go much too far. Thanks for an again very interesting report!
Yep. So many incidents could have been avoided or reduced by simply applying Crew Resource Management.
u shud also try and find what happened with a more recent crash at Karachi airport, most passengers were dead, u will find that the same blunders are a norm here
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Me too. I was a ramp agent at JFK. Having lunch in the cafeteria. Employees get 10% off meals. I took a salad & small airplane sized wine. The clerk challenged me not to drink before shift. I was finished for the day but wanted the ten percent discount & a sandwich to take home for dinner. Too bad nobody caught the pilot smelling of booze prior to flight. This was 1995 for me. They give random urine tests but I don't know how vigilant they are about it now .
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I had flown with this capt. He was the most unsafe pilot in the sky with a few more in Pakistani skies. He was criminally unsafe, futher more, people who cleared him to operate from the right seat are as much at fault as this capt and they should be held responsible too.
Ironically, this chap is a good person but just not a pilot let alone a good pilot.
Wait what? If he was so terrible and unsafe then how did he even get qualified from flight school, let alone rated to fly commercially? Not that I’m doubting you but I’m curious. I’ve only recently figured out that aviation is actually fascinating and I’m learning but there’s a whole lot I don’t know.
@@mikoto7693 in countires like Pakistan and other third world countries u can get away with a lot of things with connections and money above all. This dood was very very marginal, had it been any other country he wld have not made it to left seat.
@@hassunhus I strongly disagree with you my friend
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9:36 I doubt 50 grams per deciliter is the legal limit for alcohol concentration considering 1 deciliter of blood is about 100 grams. That would be saying 50% BAC is the legal limit... That's higher than the average liquor. (40%)
I think milligrams per deciliter would make more sense in which case the legal limit would be 0.05%. This is a common legal limit.
Most certainly! I don’t think he would have been alive at 83 grams per deciliter.
My thoughts exactly. I can understand that the captain was behaving weirdly if he had 83% alcohol in his veins. 😂
A cultural power dynamic probably prevented the FO from taking control. I think the more important question is which culture: is it an age culture i.e. older captain and younger FO, or a country culture, or a pilot culture, or an airline seniority culture?
Age culture.
It could be any of those. Age demands respect, captaincy demands respect, etc. All that adds up to a very hierarchical sort of team.
Seniority culture. I had an instructor in college (Asian - not Pakistani) who would make stupid mistakes in class, and ABSOLUTELY refused to be corrected by a mere student.
@@briant7265 it's rare that they want to be corrected
@@mohammadzohorul8887 Exactly. Me? I like being corrected. I learn something every time.
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A fight between FO and captain could have resulted in the complete plane crash
This is one for the books! Not too often you have a pilot that's more hammered than the passengers! The seriousness is lessened, initially, due to everyone making it safely on the ground. I wonder what a pilot has to be going through that he has to drink just before flying. I'm definitely not making excuses or trying to down play what happened, just wondering what the back story is. Regardless, I'm very relieved everyone is safe and I hope the Captain gets help, if he wants it.
Great channel, you do one hell of a great job making these videos! Thank you for that! Best wishes to you and your loved one's!!!
drinking while flying the planes is normal in Pakistan, because they powerful people and no one can stop them, there might be some with good manners but mostly are incompetent, all of them get their jobs by using powerful means and lots of wealth, no merit is the core of the civil aviation in Pakistan
I am genuinely so relieved to know that none of the passengers were injured. 🙏🙏🙏
When the first officer saw the runway, I feel like he didn’t go around, worried the captain might do something else that would end up even more catastrophic.
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You know,you would think every airline should be required to breatholyze the pilot and copilot right before they board the plane.
My heart goes out to the first officer caught in a fatal situation with a pilot so drunk he did'nt care.
That first officer is the only reason any of them survived.
He he atleast every airlines have pilots with a legit commerical flying license, Pakistan doesn't haven't those and you're talking about those things
You can expect anything in Pakistan. Corruption is so deep rooted in the system.
Hey man, you should add audio recordings (CVR, ATC..) whenever possible. People like that, me too.
The CVR for this one wouldn't be in English. But I don't know if these are really necessary for this channel. VASAvaition and FlightChannel have that end covered.
Great work! Thank you!
So it's a big problem in Pakistan where if your correct a senior/lead/supervisor it is seen as in-subordination. In combination with a very weird work culture prevalent in the country the co-pilot could be demoted/fired. Poor guy was trying to save the passengers and his job
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Thank you very much for discussing this accident! This accident remembers me strongly to the horrible PIA-crash (PIA Flight 8303) in Karachi in May 2020, who unfortunately costed the lifes of 98 human beings - so obviously nothing was learned from this accident.
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I have e witnessed a PIA pilot taking our plane right into black clouds bursting with lighting and strong winds. We had to go through frightening jolts, cracking blasts and irregular trepidations for the next 30 minutes. On landing many travelers wanted to hit the captain who hid in the cockpit and the air hostesses asked for forgiveness from all.
I myself is the eye witness of the above mentioned air disaster which took place in Nov 2015. we were working at the main runway at Allama Iqbal International airport, Lahore early morning at about 6:00am. the main runway was closed for air traffic.. the Shaheen air flight made an approach from runway end 36L at secondary runway ,the air craft was badly yawing before it touched down at TDZ, the weather was cloudy and scrubby that morning,, afterwards exactly that happened what is mentioned above in documentry film...the left Landing gear broke away and after a short while the right landing gears broke and the boeing 737 was dragging at its turbo fans(engines) leaving a trail of dense dust and smoke behind,,it came to rest at the bravo end just 190 feet of runway end...fortunately no one was hurt in the incident. thanks to Almighty God.
you mean thanks to the co pilot.
I can't imagine witnessing a plane crash land like that, so close by. Must be a humbling experience.
@@GM-fg3bi you haven't watched many of these videos I take it? Most times the FO is in the right and yet the plane still crashes. Truly, it is ultimately Allah who decides who lives and who dies, so that's why we thank him, he gave us this one.
83 g/dL is not possible...
To put it in perspective, it means 830 g/L of blood, when blood weighs 1.056 kg/L, so you'd need to replace almost 83% of his blood by alcohol. Yeah he was indeed quite drunk hahaha
Man, even vodka is not that concentrated.
I assume you meant mg/dL, which would bring the concentration to 0.83 g/L, which is quite drunk, but not too much.
In my country, you're not allowed to drive a car if your alcohol concentration is above 0.5 g/L, so someone who's used to drinking alcohol could be able to drive, but not necessarily safely. Let alone flying a plane.
Are you from Germany by any chance? If so, then the information about driving a car while intoxicated isn't quite right. Elsewise just ignore this and have a nice one
@@XmarkedSpot I'm from France mate
@@Martititi Salut, cher voisin!
It's even more impossible than that. Ethanol has a density of 789g/l, meaning that an ethanol concentration above 789g/l is impossible.
In Europe it's g per kg and ‰, in the US it's g per dl and %
So US BAC 0.083 % = EUR BAC 0.78 ‰
"*Any* landing that you can walk away from, is a good landing" - attributed to Chuck Yeager, famous quote among flight instructors. And kudos to F/O, there's a lot here that could have gone much much worse when you think about it.
I read the report the FO was 35ish whereas the pilot was 59.. there was definitely a power dynamic going on. FO did his best.
For those wondering, 83g/decilitre is a .083 BAC, so legally drunk by most states these days but not shit housed. I'm guessing there were other factors besides alcohol, or this was dude's first drink ever.
I have friends who are Japanese and Korean ....and some of these guys cannot hold their alcohol one beer and they are smashed and their faces turn red or purple and they start saying embarrassing things by the second beer they are off to bed. On the other hand I can drink 6 8 10 beers or I can drink a bottle of wine and I can be completely functional so what was the ethnicity of this Captain because I think different races of people's handle alcohol different abilities. I don't mean to turn this into a racism thing or a racial differentiation thing but there it is. What do you think?
@@darrellshoub7527 he was probably south Asian of Pakistani descent (I'm assuming), as this was a domestic flight. On a lighter note, I personally have no experience with beer but 4-5 shots of vodka or whiskey make me slightly dizzy and lose some motion control. Although I haven't found out my threshold to "completely wasted" yet
My state is .05 BAC to be legally drunk.
They drew his blood AFTER the incident, unclear how long after. But even if you assume the 83 mg/dL reading was taken at the moment of impact (which it clearly wasn't but let's take the unrealistically best case scenario), given that the human body metabolizes ~25-30 mg/dL of alcohol per hour, that would mean he showed up for his preflight briefing with a minimum BAL of 133 mg/dL. And considering that realistically probably took AT LEAST an hour before the blood was collected, well...you can do the math. 133 mg/dL isn't normally trizzzizzzzzasssshed style drunk, but impaired? Definitely.
You can't forget it really depends on what you do while you're intoxicated. First of all he was definitely a few hours past the peak so he must've been sobering up and rather tired. Also, there are things that are easy to do while drunk, like starting a conversation or very simple motor tasks but with other things it goes downhill after one beer for me.
I'd think flying is one of those things that are much harder.
There was a case a few years ago where a China Air pilot was serving as co-pilot for his father, one of the airline's senior pilots, because he didn't want to be disrespectful to his father who was also his superior officer. The plane crashed while attemting to land in San Francisco, because Daddy-pilot just sort of zoned out at the controls, without the younger pilot trying to correct things.
I'm not too sure that this incident would have faired any better if the first officer had been more assertive, considering the fact that the captain was drunk. Still, this should never have happened.
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My God!...I felt Like I was sitting in that cockpit LISTENING to the WHOLE thing....Great video....
Perhaps the first officer was worried that the captain would continue to interfere with the controls and attempt to take back command, and simply wanted to get the plane on the ground fast before the captain could make it even worse?
Apparently Cockpit Resource Management (CRM) was not strongly supported by that airline. CRM was developed to foster teamwork in the cockpit, and do away with the old concept of the first officer as a silent servant of the captain.
EXCELLENT VIDEO! Thank you very much. The First Officer hopefully received some commendation. The Pilot, however, hopefully, was dismissed from further service.
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trying to control a drunk can sometimes create a bigger problem. I feel that is why the first officer didn't want togo there, rather he took control to save the plane and passengers.. i experienced a similar situation
people cant blame first officer in this situation, i can assure you he knew when he first took control from the captain, he was doomed, the captain was a very powerful guy with a lot of powerful backing, that way he could drink and fly the plane, if there was a normal landing due to assertive FO actions, captain would have made sure FO never see the day light again,
The captain wouldn’t let go. So even if the first officer said “I’ve got this” I doubt the captain who have released the yoke
Just out of curiosity, has there ever been a major or even moderate air accident in or near Battle Creek, Michigan?
I think the first officer just didn't want to step on the captain's toes and take over control of the aircraft. I bet he changes his mind in the future if another event happens like this.
Breathalyzer test must be made mandatory for all Flight and Cabin crew.
Tragic indeed!
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THE FIRST OFFICER MAY HAD ISSUES WITH PILOT PRIOR TO ACCIDENT. DRUNKS TEND TO BERATE OTHERS AND COULD HAVE BEEN GIVING FIRST OFFICER TROUBLE THE WHOLE FLIGHT.
DRUNKS TEND TO YELL A BUNCH
@@bangaloremusic WHO'S YELLING?
IF YOU THINK CAPS YELL GO SEE A SHRINK. IT'S ALL A DELUSION IN YOUR BRAIN.
My man turn off your caps lock
@@amtrakfan9125 WHY?
@@ronniewall492 it's considered shouting, bad-mannered, and not encouraged in polite company.
When the guy next to you is f’ing up with a purpose, there is little chance of you saving the situation (short of knocking him unconscious). I’m not quite as judgemental about this F/O as many commenters. This F/O had a real bad one on his hands. I bet that, in hindsight, he does regret not forcing the go around. But honestly, until a few seconds before touch down they were in a situation from which a decent landing was still possible. If only that left-hand seat would have been empty.
References to the Captain avoiding the VOR approach are somewhat inaccurate. The minima for the VOR approach, (a non-precision approach, designed only to allow the pilot to position the a/c in the vicinity of the airport,) would have not legally entitled the crew to make the approach, and even had they attempted a VOR approach, the chances of becoming visual while adhering to that minima were about nil. As for the F/O taking over control, many cultures around the world still depend on a hierarchical system making it difficult to resist authority, even so, he did attempt late on to take over, the Captain wrestled the control back and resisted the F/O inputs. You really do have to feel sympathy for the F/O in this case.
Hey, the captain made a good landing! (Good landing = one you can walk away from. Great landing = you can use the plane again afterwards. :)
I'm actually surprised that everyone did walk away, that was one lucky plane.
I’m glad that the captains dumb decision didn’t end up killing everyone on board
I have to say, for rare occasions like this i do love the airbus flight control system. Simply press and keep pressed the red button, no input from the other side will have any effect, the other sidestick is simply locked out.
So if he had wanted to, the captain could have kept the first officer away from the controls?
@@vincent412l7 In theory yes, in normal life no. The one taking over, which was the FO here, presses the red button and locks the other side out. That is basic and most instinctive training.
When I heard how the approach was to be conducted it made me think of Western 2605 that crashed at Mexico City- there the pilots were meant to line up with the closed runway at first then move over to the parallel open runway when they got close....but they never did and crashed on the closed runway...seems like this sort of approach should never be permitted if it causes confusion?
According to the cvr they noticed it was the wrong runway too late in the Mexico city crash. They didn't have good visibility, and got the runways mixed up because of that. The approach using ILS didn't cause the confusion, the poor visibility did. There are rules for minimum visibility required now I think... I read about another crash using ILS where they had selected the wrong waypoint at night and also crashed. So basically it seems like they should always be able to verify visually before attempting a landing.
@@MexicanTeTe thank you for explaining that, I had forgotten about the foggy weather at Mexico City that day, makes sense that visual verification should always be part of the decision process
Fantastic video as always and great story. The proper blood alcohol level for flying a plane is 0.00, wow.
You don’t care unstable approach when your pilot is unstable himself 🤣🤣🤣
Wonder if you decided to do this video after the report about the pilot being taken off the flight out of Buffalo being legally drunk. Considering my hometown was the site of the last major air crash in the US and a drunk pilot being potentially responsible for another? Glad no one was injured.
" Key word" is 'Pakistan' . End of story ! There exists an overpowering hierarchal mindset in the Pakistani cockpit . One never dares question the Capt.
In a lot of cultures there is a strong sense of hierarchy ...first officers are juniors to captains...that seriously compromises the concepts of crew resource management
From the title I was expecting this to be about a Delta pilot. I remember back in the 80's or 90's it seemed like once or twice a year you were hearing stories about a drunk pilot.
given the state of the pilot, could it have been the captain would not give the controls back either way?
remember hearing about an An II accident where a drunk pilot actually assaulted his first officer who was trying to prevent takeoff seeing his co-workers state.
To answer your question, why the 1st Officer did not take control of the controls, you have to look at the social and political situation in Pakistan. It takes a very brave man, or women, to go against a superior officer, even if this superiority is in name only. Like in a number of other Asian countries, there is a rather high level of resistance for an "inferior" officer to embarrass a superior officer. It is not the first time that this behaviour has led to totally avoidable accidents, nor will it be the last. As for the captain having been drunk, I have to assume that he was not a Pakistani, as Pakistan is a Muslim country, where alcohol should be shunned. Or was he?
It's a open secret on large Muslim country that alcohol is still exist. Both normal alcohol drink and moonshine
It could be that his body was relatively unused to drinking alcohol, so he was more drunk than an Englishman would be on the same amount.
But if he was over the limit when he crashed the plane, what was he when the plane took off?
That and also the fact that the captain has a button which instantly takes control over the plane, so he probs kept on pressing control button
@ Alfons Wilbert I was wondering if the FO, in addition to trying o be diplomatic with his captain, also may not have much experience with an obnoxious drunk due to it being a Muslim country. Anyone who has tried to take car keys from a friend knows how hard it can be. No one seemed to notice he was drunk before he boarded, either, or hopefully he'd have not been permitted to fly.
@@zohibali5606 Ye but I didn’t argue against him
0:20 - That's a pretty nice livery.
FO was probably overwhelmed by the pressure. The intoxicated Captain, the bad weather, the problems which kept occurring because of bad decisions, etc. In my opinion, why he didn’t decide to Go-around was probably the thoughts of, “don’t want to extend more ‘exhausting’ time up there”, crossed in his mind.
Also, haven’t mentioned the work culture. Some FOs try their best to avoid conflicts with their Captains. Since someday there’s a chance someone will schedule them again with those Captains.
Imagine working for hours, even days, inside closed environment only with someone whom you have bad history with.
Even though he did take the control, in my opinion, that’s also affecting his other judgements. It’s only or feel like split second.
In third world countries a large proportion of commercial pilots are ex military which means they're arrogant, bullying and cavalier with rules. They're also not drilled to always consider the souls on board as a commercial pilot is. And as others have mentioned, Pakistan is among several countries with a seniority cult where juniors are expected ro be deferential.
Add to that what we know of nepotism in Pakistani aviation. So a drunk pilot who's related to some big shot is not going to be told anything. And lastly, after the PIA crash of 2020 (where the captain also tried to swoop down onto a glideslope that he'd overshot except in the course of doing so forgot to lower the landing gear) we learned that a lot of their pilots had forged licences. They were not even qualified to fly!
I give credit to the F O for doing what he could.
I can't know the dynamics of the Captains demeanor.
He seemed to be being stubborn.
Great video but what was the outcome for both pilots and the airline?
"See something, say something" only works if there is someone to listen.
The first thing that came to mind when I saw the title was "hypoxia" since I've heard a recording of a pilot sounding drunk while actual being hypoxic, but this plane was too low when the crash happened to let that excuse 'fly'. The first officer here was probably too scared to challenge authority due to job security or something since they don't have the same upbringing as western pilots might have to feel more secure about speaking up.
Well, I have heard that any landing that you could walk away from, it's a good landing. Besides, all the passengers landed at the destination airport and not at the alternate airport, which should keep those ungrateful passengers happy and keep them coming back for more.
Ja but they would have got their feet wet walking to the terminal.
@@markwillies4330 wet feet and ruined shoes, but no injuries after a crash like that? I’ll take the ruined shoes, keep them on a display pedestal in my house and have a good conversation starter for when company comes over.
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My question is even if the FO said, "My plane, my controls," whether or not the Cpt would have responded any different. Regardless, the FO should have attempted...
Amazing video, drunk pilots are among the worst of the worst!
Been binging a lot of these videos lately, and while horrifying and terrible, I hope that the aviation industry has learned from their mistakes and continues to improve air safety for everyone.
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Thanks Andrew!
Pakistan is still considered Asian region, and Asian have the mindset of "We don't correct our superior's decision" even if said decision would be life/death situation.
We Asian fear that our decision isn't as good as our superior, we fear if we attempt to overturn our superior's decision, we might get shamed if it turned South. Or worse, terminated.
Very true. It is exactly the same issue in Pakistan and India. We need to learn from other countries on how to work together as a team.
Eastern deference to authority. In the West we tend to ask more questions.
@@DelfinaKS To have that happen, first our superior need to swallow their ego first... which unfortunately, even in 21st century, many couldn't.
Yes, staff are treated like indentured servants. God knows what Business School teaches them!
@@RDSAlphard In the West, if a person in a position of authority is not worthy of that authority, they do not get respect. And they eventually fail out of the job - if you don't have the confidence of those under you, you have no real authority. Of course there are exceptions, but the overall world view is very different.
I think in an episode of Mayday they said that the Arab pilot culture is big into respecting your elders and not questioning them.
Very good episode! Captain now flies w/ Uber!