Typical games where people just throw garbage units for trade for high points is some of the most boring game play ever. Good riddance, if it works out that way.
So players going first will activally try to avoid scoring too much primary, so the second can't choose the secret mission? This is going to be a weird year
@@douglas4285 Im ok with losing, but there is an exploit with secret missions right now. An army can sit in their deployment zone with killy fixed secondaries and guarantee that the get to draw the secret mission, complete it and that player gets their 90 point cap for free. Unless you can score 91 vp with an entire Tau or Guard battery mowing you down over the game you mathematically cannot win. Thats why, and I am referring to the competetive scene, I play casually and its unlikely Ill play against a cheeselord like that in that setting.
I’m sorry if this is already a video you have made, but have you thought about doing a “Leviathan Last Impressions” type video where you talk about your feelings on how the first season of 10th edition went and how you feel about the general state of 40K? You have a LOT of games under your belt so I’d be interested to hear your thoughts.
Perhaps I miss understood what you said, but secret missions score on your primary and cap it at 40 (20+20). You can NOT score 15 primary AND 20 more from unbroken wall on the same turn unless you've only scored 5 points or less on primary all game. You also can't secret mission if you're winning on primary, so if you're in a position to score max, and your opponent isn't, you're likely not even allowed to do it.
The assumption that that slamming a secret mission is gonna secure you the win is going off the idea that you and your opponent both are scoring next to no primaries. It caps you at 40 primaries.
Crazy, I completely disagree. The tactical cards in leviathan had so many impossible, dead draws. Bring it down with 0 vehicles, Capture enemy Outpost or Behind enemy Lines on turn 1, etc Every card in Pariah feels doable. it just gives fewer points.
I thought all the people who liked tactical just preferred to play that way. Why is it a problem that tactical is less powerful now, when fixed was objectively the worse way to play for the past 6 months? Now that it's change, why is it NOW a problem that the "fun way to play" isn't powerful? I had people dogpile me for saying I found tactical extremely unfun at the start of the edition and I have found it extremely unfun to have to play it for the past 6 months, and I've been enjoying the past week or so of playing the new missions significantly more because the deck feels less like it's giving you a random 20 point swing and more like if you play consistently well you can score well. I guess it never really was about it being the "more fun way to play" and was always about "forcing everyone to play the way I want to". If people weren't lying about their takes originally, they'll still enjoy the next year of significantly more balanced play between the two styles. Otherwise, they were liars who just wanted to force people who didn't want to play Maelstrom to play Maelstrom with them. You're welcome to prefer that style of play, stop trying to take mine away from me because you need me to play your way to enjoy yourself.
It's always people wanting to force others to play how they prefer to play, its always about how "fun" the game is until they might lose to someone else having fun. There are no players in any game that care about winning more than people in the 40k community who "don't care about winning"
I feel the fixed missions will be a good option for the start of the new season, unless you have all objective scores in your list and constantly screen I don’t see the lethality will be as high as leviathan. Fixed missions allows you to built a lethal list while focusing on the action for only the primary missions. Ive only played maybe 3-4 PN games so this take is most likely incorrect but just an idea.
Fixed missions are also pretty cringe imo. Folks just tooling their list to basically ignore playing with you to get 100 points is cringe. But, it’s all about winning a tournament so there’s that.
They did say that if you take a Secret Mission that you wouldnt score any Primary on your remaining turns, right? So bottom of 5 wouldnt be Primary + 20 Secret, itd just be 20 for rounds 4 and 5 as a catchup... No?
So far, I've only played one match with Pariah Nexus rules and I'm torn on the secondaries. On the one hand, I like that you actually have to put in some work to score secondaries. Stuff like investigate signals, which was just like: "You, stand in that corner over there" was nice to score a couple of guaranteed points, but also a bit stupid and non-interactive. On the other hand, I feel that the secondaries that take one round to complete put some armies a lot more at a disadvantage than others and sometimes, the effort you would have to put in just doesn't feel worth the points you might get. This might of course change with the new dataslate and new ways of building lists. Overall, I don't mind the slower scoring, if the scoring is indeed slower for everyone. I think it was way too easy to score full secondaries in Leviathan, which sometimes made primary scoring almost an afterthought.
The only hope I see for Tyranid is that they reduced even more points until we can use infantry unit as a battle line like bring max 10 of 3 squad of gene with max 3 squad of ravenger and as many warrior as you can bring instead of normal batteline in order to play just a casual normal game. If not I not see any other way, unless Tyranid secretly get codex redo which is very very highly unlikely.
The problem with that is that it's already very hard to transport 2000 point of Tyranid to have a game at FLGS. If the point reduce further now I need 2 bigbags of model now and it will be very difficult to even walk.
My wallet and pile of shame cannot handle more point drops. Nids need profile improvements, but it won't happen. They will simply suffer the edition like every codex released first in any edition.
@@klompb Let's see what they do with Admech. If they actually get some meaningful improvements with the new dataslate, chances are other struggling armies might, too.
@@ElGrompho666 the reason why admech get reboot because their codex is down right unplayable by any means. I doubt that would be the case of Nids. Even though with Pariah nexus the army win rate might drop below 40 but it wouldn't be as bad as admech so I really doubt that we gonna get a better treatment soon. Maybe in 11th edition things might be better.
I need to see if the secret mission exploit for Guard, Tau and Eldar is guaranteed like we thought. Are there rules or things in Pariah Nexus that prevent the guaranteed win? If so just refusing to play those factions will do a lot of damage to the social side of 40k
@@DiceandGlory it has to do with secret missions in the new pariah nexus. They cap your primary vp at 20 and give you 20 vp if you complete a secret mission that you get to pick. The exploit is essentially deployment zone camping, but only a few factions can max secondaries while also camping: Tau, Guard, and maybe Eldari if their nerf isn’t too bad. Essentially really long range shooty armies. Pick fixed secondaries, either something Killy or something you can farm reliably to max, and since you own your backfield objective, at turn 3 (where you choose a secret mission if you have a lower score) you will have you 20 vp cap no matter what and are guaranteed the secret mission. Complete it, which is extremely easy, and you hit the point cap of 90 vp. You are guaranteed to win by victory points unless your opponent can score 91 vp with you just mowing down everything with heavy gunfire the entire game. We need to see if this turns out irl like it would in theory, so watch those table in tournaments: Tourney players will be all over this for free wins
@@SumsieBun Easily defeated in the list building stage. All I have to do is look at the Kill Secondaries and build a list that doesn't let them max those out. Also, I think you're overreacting a lot. I've seen several games of Pariah so far, and it seems the average is 60 to 70 points for the winner.
@kevinbech6757 my point was that games only take 1.5h because u almost never play the 5th turn Yea obviously that's weird but just pointing out that games are going to be much longer now and that I don't like hidden motives
Talking out games kind of sucks. It's an opportunity for bad actors to bully players into letting them get maximum points, and even when both players are doing it earnestly it's still not a perfectly accurate representation of what the ending points would be most of the time.
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Typical games where people just throw garbage units for trade for high points is some of the most boring game play ever. Good riddance, if it works out that way.
You mean all guard players?
Small fast units are gonna be MORE valuable??? Oh boy, can't wait to get beaten by Eldar AGAIN!! 🙄
It’s ok no faction can beat them anyway with secret missions
So players going first will activally try to avoid scoring too much primary, so the second can't choose the secret mission? This is going to be a weird year
God I hope not. Feels unhealthy for the game
Yeah I would refuse to play against the shooty armies for the time being. Tau, Guard and Eldar are unbeatable with the exploit out right now.
@@SumsieBun You sound fun to play against
No, only who has less primary points at start of round 3 can select secret missions.
@@douglas4285 Im ok with losing, but there is an exploit with secret missions right now. An army can sit in their deployment zone with killy fixed secondaries and guarantee that the get to draw the secret mission, complete it and that player gets their 90 point cap for free. Unless you can score 91 vp with an entire Tau or Guard battery mowing you down over the game you mathematically cannot win. Thats why, and I am referring to the competetive scene, I play casually and its unlikely Ill play against a cheeselord like that in that setting.
Indirect might come back in force. Denying people scoring those actions that take a turn to complete
Good point, we should increase points on factions that heavily use it like Guard.
@Fluxram no please, I'm not strong enough
Guard is going to be really strong at the secondary/secret mission game, hah
I haven't read the other comments on this but indirect won't come back when it hits on a 4 + regardless
I’m sorry if this is already a video you have made, but have you thought about doing a “Leviathan Last Impressions” type video where you talk about your feelings on how the first season of 10th edition went and how you feel about the general state of 40K? You have a LOT of games under your belt so I’d be interested to hear your thoughts.
Perhaps I miss understood what you said, but secret missions score on your primary and cap it at 40 (20+20). You can NOT score 15 primary AND 20 more from unbroken wall on the same turn unless you've only scored 5 points or less on primary all game. You also can't secret mission if you're winning on primary, so if you're in a position to score max, and your opponent isn't, you're likely not even allowed to do it.
The assumption that that slamming a secret mission is gonna secure you the win is going off the idea that you and your opponent both are scoring next to no primaries. It caps you at 40 primaries.
Your info about the new season tailoring to strong resilient armies makes me feel good as a Custodes player. Slow + tanky stats? You got it!
Crazy, I completely disagree. The tactical cards in leviathan had so many impossible, dead draws. Bring it down with 0 vehicles, Capture enemy Outpost or Behind enemy Lines on turn 1, etc
Every card in Pariah feels doable. it just gives fewer points.
No discussion on how badly these changes will hurt elite armies that lack cheap units to do actions???
I thought all the people who liked tactical just preferred to play that way. Why is it a problem that tactical is less powerful now, when fixed was objectively the worse way to play for the past 6 months? Now that it's change, why is it NOW a problem that the "fun way to play" isn't powerful? I had people dogpile me for saying I found tactical extremely unfun at the start of the edition and I have found it extremely unfun to have to play it for the past 6 months, and I've been enjoying the past week or so of playing the new missions significantly more because the deck feels less like it's giving you a random 20 point swing and more like if you play consistently well you can score well.
I guess it never really was about it being the "more fun way to play" and was always about "forcing everyone to play the way I want to". If people weren't lying about their takes originally, they'll still enjoy the next year of significantly more balanced play between the two styles. Otherwise, they were liars who just wanted to force people who didn't want to play Maelstrom to play Maelstrom with them. You're welcome to prefer that style of play, stop trying to take mine away from me because you need me to play your way to enjoy yourself.
It's always people wanting to force others to play how they prefer to play, its always about how "fun" the game is until they might lose to someone else having fun.
There are no players in any game that care about winning more than people in the 40k community who "don't care about winning"
Wow who hurt you lmao
Wonder if the Hidden Objectives will be adopted for big competitive events? Seems like a hard mechanic to avoid abusing.
I feel the fixed missions will be a good option for the start of the new season, unless you have all objective scores in your list and constantly screen I don’t see the lethality will be as high as leviathan. Fixed missions allows you to built a lethal list while focusing on the action for only the primary missions. Ive only played maybe 3-4 PN games so this take is most likely incorrect but just an idea.
Fixed missions are also pretty cringe imo. Folks just tooling their list to basically ignore playing with you to get 100 points is cringe. But, it’s all about winning a tournament so there’s that.
Very weird that tougher-than-their-points-bracket units like War Walkers are going to go from gunline pieces to scoring pieces... lmao
I’m excited to play it!!
They did say that if you take a Secret Mission that you wouldnt score any Primary on your remaining turns, right? So bottom of 5 wouldnt be Primary + 20 Secret, itd just be 20 for rounds 4 and 5 as a catchup... No?
i believe the way it works is that you are just capped at 20 primary if you take a secret mission
Helpful review, thanks.
Nice one. Appreciate the thoughts.
Thanks for the upload.
So far, I've only played one match with Pariah Nexus rules and I'm torn on the secondaries. On the one hand, I like that you actually have to put in some work to score secondaries. Stuff like investigate signals, which was just like: "You, stand in that corner over there" was nice to score a couple of guaranteed points, but also a bit stupid and non-interactive. On the other hand, I feel that the secondaries that take one round to complete put some armies a lot more at a disadvantage than others and sometimes, the effort you would have to put in just doesn't feel worth the points you might get. This might of course change with the new dataslate and new ways of building lists. Overall, I don't mind the slower scoring, if the scoring is indeed slower for everyone. I think it was way too easy to score full secondaries in Leviathan, which sometimes made primary scoring almost an afterthought.
Shooty armies benefit the most from these secondary changes. WE and Demons are just as screwed as the Nids
I havnt played it yet but this new deck feels bad for my imperial knights
Knights and armigers are buffed.
You can shoot AND do the actions
You're a bit better now, still tiny spam tho
@@generalwoe359 guess I missed that part. That's encouraging
The only hope I see for Tyranid is that they reduced even more points until we can use infantry unit as a battle line like bring max 10 of 3 squad of gene with max 3 squad of ravenger and as many warrior as you can bring instead of normal batteline in order to play just a casual normal game. If not I not see any other way, unless Tyranid secretly get codex redo which is very very highly unlikely.
The problem with that is that it's already very hard to transport 2000 point of Tyranid to have a game at FLGS. If the point reduce further now I need 2 bigbags of model now and it will be very difficult to even walk.
The bag I used right now is a size of a transportation bag used to travel across country and now if the point reduced I gonna need two of it now.
My wallet and pile of shame cannot handle more point drops. Nids need profile improvements, but it won't happen. They will simply suffer the edition like every codex released first in any edition.
@@klompb Let's see what they do with Admech. If they actually get some meaningful improvements with the new dataslate, chances are other struggling armies might, too.
@@ElGrompho666 the reason why admech get reboot because their codex is down right unplayable by any means. I doubt that would be the case of Nids. Even though with Pariah nexus the army win rate might drop below 40 but it wouldn't be as bad as admech so I really doubt that we gonna get a better treatment soon. Maybe in 11th edition things might be better.
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interesting video but it will be quickly outdated because the next dataslate will out soon and in my opinion, it will be big.
Weird.
Custodes are screwed.
Thank god. Not one soul likes playing against them.
It definitely doesn't make me wanna play em more this edition
Il keep playing them in narrative battles
@@Joe93187correct, in both big 40k as kill team 😂
My tyranid list got a buff from this lol
In what way?
@@vaettra1589 meaning it's harder to win if you sit put and try to just get secondary you have to fight me for the middle, witch I'll win!
I need to see if the secret mission exploit for Guard, Tau and Eldar is guaranteed like we thought. Are there rules or things in Pariah Nexus that prevent the guaranteed win? If so just refusing to play those factions will do a lot of damage to the social side of 40k
What's the exploit?
@@DiceandGlory it has to do with secret missions in the new pariah nexus. They cap your primary vp at 20 and give you 20 vp if you complete a secret mission that you get to pick. The exploit is essentially deployment zone camping, but only a few factions can max secondaries while also camping: Tau, Guard, and maybe Eldari if their nerf isn’t too bad. Essentially really long range shooty armies.
Pick fixed secondaries, either something Killy or something you can farm reliably to max, and since you own your backfield objective, at turn 3 (where you choose a secret mission if you have a lower score) you will have you 20 vp cap no matter what and are guaranteed the secret mission. Complete it, which is extremely easy, and you hit the point cap of 90 vp. You are guaranteed to win by victory points unless your opponent can score 91 vp with you just mowing down everything with heavy gunfire the entire game.
We need to see if this turns out irl like it would in theory, so watch those table in tournaments: Tourney players will be all over this for free wins
@@SumsieBun Easily defeated in the list building stage. All I have to do is look at the Kill Secondaries and build a list that doesn't let them max those out.
Also, I think you're overreacting a lot. I've seen several games of Pariah so far, and it seems the average is 60 to 70 points for the winner.
I hate how this feels like someone at gw said "i dont like how ppl talk out most of their games" and then just made it so you cant do that anymore
Yeah I know. Now you have to play the game...
Egad!!! Now I have to PLAY this GAME!??!??? Gross
@kevinbech6757 my point was that games only take 1.5h because u almost never play the 5th turn
Yea obviously that's weird but just pointing out that games are going to be much longer now and that I don't like hidden motives
Talking out games kind of sucks. It's an opportunity for bad actors to bully players into letting them get maximum points, and even when both players are doing it earnestly it's still not a perfectly accurate representation of what the ending points would be most of the time.
@@quizno1965agreed. It’s really annoying to see