WHICH ESTER IS RIGHT FOR YOU?
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Dave Palumbo educates you on which ester is right for you
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The best thing about this video is that Dave can make this video as if injecting test is normal now, which it is. The days of it being a dirty secret are long gone.
Whee did you grow up? In theater 80's early 90's people where shooting up in the locker room after and before their workouts. They don't do that now. You guys are noobs or very young.
@@fittech3175 You are so right. Very common to go in the bathroom/ locker room and someone ask if you could stab them.
Dummy he means secret among the bodybuilding community
mark jones like g4p?
Lol I'm literally running Enth and Cyp
Dave is a legend iv tried every thing to get rid of acne on my back and would never of thought of this 👍
I love how you implement your supplement line in the topic
Dave was a motherfucking beast back in the day! I always thought he dieted & cut/lost too much muscle when he showed up on contest day, but who am I to judge. His training pics and videos (during contest prep & offseason) are just downright incredible; he was a true mass monster, with very good symmetry. I know and understand the whole debate regarding insulin, HGH, bubble gut, etc., but it’s a sport of extremes (so, to each his own). Anyway, good to see he’s still alive and giving back to the bodybuilding community. Great podcast, Dave!
Well said...Dave guest posed at the npc New England's back in '04..I needed "assistance" backstage before going on to compete in the heavyweights..had a little issue with a "supplement" to help my carb load pump..Dave was great very helpful and I went on to win the show..he was around 280 insane physique and all around great guy. Most pros are pricks to kids tryna compete not Dave.
He does seem like good guy wish i got to know him, im not bb but i wouldve been lol. What i take not be like you guys meaning i dont want get big just my arms and a 6 pack i almoust there natty except sring bean arms lol im 43 been downbthis road million times i peak out i can get srtonger little bigger but i lose shape where i learned work out alot smarter not as much get more gains i figured i go to dr get on test regimen is that enough get physique trying obtain i figured figure out you guys do and do a fraction ofvthe amount or this point stay natty just be bb fan but i do beileve used right can help live longer younger srtonger ofcourse heat is from guys like rich but thsts our choice and hey i couldve went downbthat road married hot rich babe with money maybe not morally correct but i have more successful life so point our choice and laws made for idiots mass numbers ppl make mistakes doingvwrong things wrongvtimes for wrong reasons ik im rambling its same factor with guns .........
Great comment
Yep he used to order a shit ton of gear off www.us-domesticsupply.ws
Love that body builder mindset. I was a little crazy for a few days so I took more to fix it. Lmao
All the esters are right for me
Just make sure she's legal, bro.
Eddie Yochim
Just tried it wow 😮
@Eddie Yochim don't know where to get it.
@MMASecond no.
@Eddie Yochim yeah in the calves Morning and evening😂😂😂😱
Dave always brings the real truth! Thanks Dave!
Got it. 1 gram of suspension, prop, enanth, cyp, and undecanoate each EOD. Thanks Dave! 😂
LOL 5grams of test. do people actually do that. I thought i was crazy for doing 800-900mg a week lol
Pfft, it's 5 grams every other day (eod)...not gon' be smol no mo'! 😂
Lol
Thanks dave 4 grams eod test prop. And a gram of tren #bytesticals
b bremner when u are bbigger u need more to be bbigger... 1st year 500mgs 2nd yyear 1gram next year 1.2 gram another yyeear 1.3 gram when u train 20 yeears u need 4 grams... Body gets adopted on 1 gram. lee priest was takiiing max 1.5 grams because he was in love in food... not by hormone.
Dave is definitely bodybuilding's best man.
Dave is now a legend in his own right, he has a right to call himself a legend, in a sport with very few legends it is refreshing to see new legends and maybe we have a legend of legends in Dave a true legend.
Drink everytime Edith says legend.
spot on, been reading this stuff for a month and nothing made sense. and in 1 video boom.
thank you
-Bryan
Dave thx for the sermon!
Love this channel 👍
Happy Ester everyone 🐥
Dave is very informative on the topic. As a pharmacist, I would add that what you want to achieve with hormonal therapy is a steady state concentration of testosterone, where the levels stay within a range that gives you the best results, without dropping too low. The best way to achieve this is the same way insulin is dosed today, where you have a long acting form injected on a weekly or bi-weekly basis and then a faster acting form injected two to three times a week. One thing to look at with drugs injected into the muscles is the elimination half-life, the time it takes for the body to eliminate 50% of the drug. Testosterone cypionate has an elimination half life around 8 days, whereas testosterone propionate is 0.8 days (around 19 hours). You can always confirm how effective your dosing is by getting a blood testosterone level that you can get through the internet without going to the doctor.
Test p half life is 4.5 day same as test e
If test cyp half life is 8 days then the level stays stable for 8 days until it drops down, so why dose every other day?
@@akuma4u the peak of most injectables are 24-48 hours. Half life doesn't really effect this unless it's under 2 days. So ejecting everyother day allows the test to stay peaked, which means your hormones should stay somewhat level, lessening negative effects like acne ect.
thank you for this information really apreciated!
When I first tried using gear the main ones available around here were EQ and Winstrol V. Both were veterinary and from the vet at the horse race track. I never heard about using testosterone as a base for a cycle. The first test I recall being around was test suspension surprisingly enough. I also recall the next few items around were Anatest, and those Russian D-Bol with the elastic and insert in whatever language they were printed in. Those D-Bol did seem effective.The EQ and Winstrol not so much, and the price was crazy high. They were real but as a new user it was probably my fault. Clenbuterol pumps(veterinary) were quite an experience. Funny, the price of those vet pumps is still the same today as the 90's. Competition I'm guessing.
Sounds like a lot of fun to me
This completely answers my question. I was wondering the same. If you're spreading pins out to once a week you are essentially turning cyp or e into a long drawn out test prop in regards to level consistency. Thanks!
lol 😂 but is humans wanna understand you
Knowledge wise it doesn’t get better than Dave.
really really informative video
Wow, super class gold information so valuable, thanks for share all that marvelous information got it by the years of experience, greetings from playa del carmen mexico
Thanks for the video!!!!!
Your a legend Dave !!!
i’m super happy to hear from Dave that many people doesn’t tollerate propionate too weel. i think i’m one of that person cause the days after injection my muscle hurt so bad😬😬
I’m gonna try with the enanthate hoping for this to get better! 😜
You ever try phenylprop? I'm gonna try every ester and then formulate my own blend that makes me feel the best.
How did this work for you? Was enanthate better?
Well, all of the above thank you David...
David just wanted to thank you for advertising Titan hrt Clinic there full panel blood test was $200 cheaper than another clinic here in Denver Colorado. I just had my blood work done today waiting for the results again thank you so much for the information I love your Channel ,Jonny roxy 😄
I live near denver and can help with your trt and bloodwork
@@stevecook6136 in Denver too. How do I contact You?
GOOD STUFF DR. DAVE
I just started getting TRT treatments from my doctor,he's giving me cipionate, and when the nurse came in I asked which ester I was getting and she gave me the WTH look,got a good laugh outa it,she couldn't believe I was asking that
Lmao...thats like asking for a brand of tires at a tire shop...not very uncommon. Why would she be surprised?
I did TRT for 1.5 half years to treat hypogonadism and the doctor only prescribed me Nebido and did not want to give me anything else, EVEN though my body was not responding well at all. After 1-2 weeks of taking a shot, my test levels were dropping to almost 0 and I was taking a shot every 90 days.
Good info Dave..
Many of the top Test Experts advocate not to take Ai’s. The key is timing and dose amount. They say to keep the dose at the lowest amount possible but still keeping the free Test in the upper levels and you in most cases won’t need any other drugs.
Hi Dave thank you for you advice I will be check thanks
I really like Test E injecting twice a week (Monday and Thursday). Keeps hormone levels stable and I’m one of those weird fuckers that likes injecting😂
What dosage? Can I do it every monday or every 5 days?
@@brasinovic yeah I do it every 5 days with test E. get your bloods done to check but it should be fine and stable 👍
I use test e and was injecting Monday and Thursday evening and my test level was 550. I used the same dosage but changed to injections to Monday Wednesday and Friday and my test levels went to 1,100 and only thing I change was injections frequency. Dosage is 150 mg a week of test e
@@thomasthompson5702 So you use to do 75mg Monday and Thursday night but now do 50mg Mon, Wed, Friday? Is this correct?
@@noostrings 1/2 “ needles on a insulin syringe and Monday I do 25 units and Wednesday I do 25 units and Friday I do 25 units. My test is test e and c… test e is 200mg/ ml and test c is 20 mg/ml and they are mixed at the pharmacy in the same bottle. I went from injection Monday morning and Thursday evening I was doing it subcontainioulsy just under the skin in the fat and I change to 1/2” needle and start injections Monday Wednesday Friday into the shoulder muscle and my test levels went from 500ish to 1,100 just by changing injections frequency and injection into the muscle and no under the skin anymore. Hope this helps
Monday/Thursday is a pretty solid schedule for me, personally.
Sus and omna's were the best!!! And mixed with growth, I was a beast!
💯
Dave honestly you simply the man.
I’ve experienced the exact same problem with Propionate Dave speaks about here in my early days pinning, never used prop again but always was curious what is the cause of sensitivity due to Prop? Is it an allergy to the actually propionate ester?
I inject daily by SUBQ with a .5ml insulin syringe. I have never felt better so it might seem like a pain to some to inject daily but it has been working for me. My labs show low estradiol too. When I injected bi weekly or weekly I had high E.
Test cyp? How many mg a day?
Ty Dave!
Awesome information 👌👌👌👌
Holy grail For test research. The Goat for real
I took propionate for the first time and it rounded my muscles and got me tight and acne was going away. Prop every other day was getting me cut with no diet.
I like prop the most
Super cool advice!!!!
So basically theres no difference between C and E. Saved you 11 minutes
Big difference between c and e.
@@Spencerlayne what is the deference Between testosterone cypionate and testosterone enanthate?
@@afridyabir just the amount of half life or how long it takes the easter to break down in your body. Talking a day or two depending on the stregnth of the gear. You'll be fine with either tho.
@@afridyabir technically speaking C has a higher molecular weight because it has 1 extra carbon atom than E IIRC.
Meaning? I’m just trying to see what i need
I take test e every wednesday and another test e and a deca on sunday. Works fine 👍
dav ,your vascularity is incredible
Looks like once you get to 1-3% body fat your body never gets the fat back fully. It seems to be this way anyways haha
I'm gonna start a superdrol cycle with test 400 mg per week for 8 week this is my first cycle I can't wait to see the results
Dude I hope you are joking, taking superdrol is always a bad idea, ESPECIALLY on you first cycle, take only the 400mg of test witch tbh is still a lot for a first cycle, and if you still want to use more sutff take anavar 20mg/day, bc it is 300% to 600% more anabolic then test and it wont fuck you up like superdrol
50LB gain but 30 are water
@@tylerdurden1923 Superdrol is very dry. Strong stuff. Dangerous if you're an idiot, useful if you're smart and don't blast the shit.
Omnadren 250 was king back in the day...
Testosterone propionate/testosterone phenylpropionate/testosterone isocaproate/testosterone caproate
Yes , used to love the omnadren from Organon Karachi back in the day , in the glass ampoules
💯 The best!
I’ve been taking cypionate twice a week , this explains the peaks and valleys I’m experiencing. Thx Dave I needed this information.
Twice a week is what you want for cypionate, if you're having peaks and valleys there's something else going on.
@@michaelolin2219 could you elaborate on that for me?
@@SkilledFloorGuy cyp is a long ester, pinning EOD isn't necessary. If you're injecting say Monday and Thursday, if you're experiencing side effects of being deficient is your testosterone level, it just doesn't add up. The half life is simply too long. UGL? It sounds either underdosed or its a shorter ester.
@@SkilledFloorGuy your a power bottom
@@schmoeschlomo6972 nah bitch I’m pure power
The suspension water based is utilised 100%,thus every milligram of it is used.
My TRT protocol involves 25mg of TE eod
George Touliatos MD why would you have patients try and inject so frequently? Or do you try and bring all your patients into your office every other day?
I love test prop it hurts yes but when I’m on prep I love it
Except for the whole pinning eod...i mean u dont run out of places to pin by week 5?? Lol
What areas u use
I love prop, but ive gotta mix it with cyp. I'll take like a 1/3 ratio prop and 2/3 cyp, and i still get major PIP. I'm sore right now.
What do you think about esters like cyp not sitting well with people dosing too frequently. I don’t know what my deal is but I always preferred less frequency over everyday or every other day. Felt wayyy better on every 5 day for example instead of EOD.
Id just like to say (Ive been on replacement for years) that enanthate/cypionate have about 8 to 10 day half life and it takes about 48 hours to absorb a 1ml shot, that being said I cant see any reason to go more that twice a week. thats what Ive found, Ive tried every second day and could find no difference. so like monday morning and thursday evening, theres really not enough time between shots for any signifigant reduction in serum levels.
Gr8 info
For me Test prop 100mg eod did aromatase less than test e 250mg twice a week . When I added arimidex while on test e I couldn’t train heavy because of the dry joints and got injured on my elbow. I chose to stick on test prop even with the PIP
What do you think about it now? Still prefere test prop above test e? I don't feel as much energy and libido on test E as I have with prop
Please tell me youve done a video discussing subq vs IM route and which is better or preferred? Many people say subq due to its slower release thus causing more constant levels with less peaks and valleys but many say fatty tissue is not meant to absorb test and only the muscle is therefore IM is the way to go.
Take whatever dosing protocol that gives you the most stable levels. Side effects come from having high peaks and low troughs.
So it depends on person to person ? and which one would you recommend test c or e ?
Within a day on Test Prop I kid you not I felt INVINCIBLE in social, public settings. Anxiety disappears.... Test Prop is AMAZING. Recently turned to dark side. Test Prop hits super fast, within hours sex drive is felt...... Only down side was the painful pip pain which disappears once you keep pinning in same place (left glute is a great place) Changes your life👀👀 I used to see them posts on how Test made them feel, didn't think much of it. Now I get it....
You still like test prop the most? Me too
Every other day, Dave??? I'm just going to be doing it for TRT. Been lifting for 35 years, but I'm 49 now and really just want to gain about 10 pounds of muscle and keep it. Dropped from 200 to 170 in less than a year due to type 2 diabetes. Is every other day still necessary?
Basically maintain a “high peak level” lol
Summary just blast test on the daily and mix it up if you feel like it. 👊🏼
Clue me up on Testobolin 400 vrs Sustanon 250, I couldn't get a 3rd course of the latter, so had to go for Testobolin-400.
It seems to be doing the job well atm sex drive UP, muscle gain UP, my doc put me on the gel as mine was low.
Thanks for any advice.
Hey brother I hear doctors are prescribing nandrolone to long term TRT patients who need hormone/test replacement therapy because it causes less side effects.... is this true? I know of atleast 1 or 2 people who have had there doctors switch them.. my question is, how is nandrolone able to be used to TRT ... deca causes usually a lot of issues sexually and test is needed because of that as well as deca causing other side effects...I ask because I’m on TRT over a year now on T cyp .. and I’m having what seems to be prostate issues .., which just started happening out of nowhere .. never had these symptoms before even in my hay day of body building and taking all sorts of garbage.. now I’m in my late 30s and need TRT and now having to piss a lot and even durring sex it feels like stuff can’t come out like it’s restricted.. so I wonder if finasteride or duratest should spherical used to shrink the prostate ..and if nandrolone is able to take the place of Test , even for a short time ?
@rxmuscle what's your opinion on running hcg during your cycle then coming off with 1 shot of triptorelin. Would you reccomend this
Granted the doctor I see now at the TRT clinic locally is great and on top of bloodwork, etc. even things like thyroid etc.. however, when I have great health insurance and with a RX could spend 1/12 the $$. T is a requirement for my health and well-being. Always felt that it was low but never would have guessed that it was so low in both total and free. Hope to find a doc soon. Patches don’t do squat. Cream also no thanks, my wife doesn’t want near me if she knows i have rx around.. 😮
The rant we all want.....what are a few good reliable supplies....ill pay money for that rant lolv
I’ve been prescribed sus 250 for hrt but I’m gonna do an 8-12 week blast. I have a good source for test e (he also uses it) but the brand looks compounded and I can’t say I 100% trust it over the sus 250 I get from the pharmacy. I’d like to switch to test e for a more even keel but yeah as above I’m not sure what to do can I just swap esthers straight away ? What will I feel and how do I know quickly if the test e I have is underdosed or shit
Do you realize I’ve had diarrhea since last Esters?!
darshia33 love you for this
Nice!
@@aceinspacepng3001 it’s from the movie Nacho Libre
How come we can't ever have just like a salad?
I am not using cypionate for body building although l workout a lot a reap some of the benefits.
I had Low T l felt miserable drained all the time low sex drive... all the effects of low T.
I was put on 1cc a month but l could literally feel myself going up and down.
So l broke it in half every 2 weeks.
Do you think l would feel better using .25 every week?
Whats the best ester for hair?
What causes alergie from Propionate?
Whats it called? Testolize? The med that bounds Dht?
I keep hearing that taking test once a week creates peaks and valleys, but after 15 years of HRT, I have never found that to be the case. I've also had blood tests on the last day before injection and T levels are still elevated.
Hope that's how it works out for me when I start.
@@Mike-lx8ll But that's not so. Using 100 mgs , on day two your level might be 800 ngs and on day 6 it might be 500 ngs. That's not a big deal.
Nelson i'm on hrt for 15 years & always experience peaks & valleys. The way ones body processes the drug differs.
@@sumitd500 where are u taking trt from?
@@vinay5231 Started with Apollo Hospital, then from nurse & then family member learnt to administer etc. I was initially given 50 mg test enanthate but there was no effect (first time start off may take then a month or more to show real benefits) after couple of weeks they bumped itcup to 100mg, that started working partly from 3rd week & by the 5th week i was doing well. After a year or two i tried testosterone undecanoate (oral) however the dose had to high & it was too costly. Then i switched to gel on & off as its considered safer but after a few years the effect on libido seemed inconsistent - so i have switched back & alternate between sustanon & enanthate.
Youre the best dave
Dave is the man 👍 I took test back in the 90’s, then when I turned 55 my pcp suggested HRT but pushed Androgell ($500 for 30 day supply). It didn’t give me energy or help build muscle, but like Dave talks about, increased my red blood cells and risked stroke or heart attack) so paid $160 2x month to draw 1 pt of blood. Went to a urologist who Rx 1/2cc of cyp to get my test from 250ng up to 800ng ( normal being 300 - 1100 ng) insurance covers $10 mo w/co pay, better safe then sorry
For a slow realeasing one like Cypionate - should I inject like 2 times a week instead of 1 , to REDUCE BLOAT ? (Assuming my diet is in check)
If you use short esters over long you will always be leaving gains on the table
I'm 43 and I take 1ml of TC a week. I feel great. It seems to only get better the longer I do it.
Mad mechanic me too buddy !! Doing it exactly like you
Are you taking it medically supervised?
I'm 43, as I read this. I was taking 2ml's a week and felt great! I got greedy and jumped to Sustanon and feel like rubbish. Clearly short esters are not for me at this age.
I have a question.
I’ve pinned 125 test e on Monday and Wednesday for only 2 weeks. I have to take drug tests for a new probation. How much clinic should I take to cycle off?
Not all forms may be available in your county.
In Holland were I live they only have Sustanon and Nebido.
The protocol may be different to.
In Amerika they give 250mg of Sustanon a week and in Holland 250mg every three weeks.
In Europe it’s almost impossible to get the right dosages.
Oh God, look at the channel Ive found! 🇧🇷
You're promoting anabolics, wearing your sponsors shirt. Beast.
I run ethanate every 4 days, works like a charm. Test suspension is also most likely to get infected because water injected is worse in the muscle.
Enanthate maybe?
Great vid.
Just started taking test cyp this past week,first cycle
how you getting on with it?
@@ianbuchanan3839 a lot of water weight...but i have gotten bigger traps,shoulders,and chest....this is my last week im at 350mg a week
Dave. I’m taking 100 mg 1 ml week. And I break out. Is that nuts ? You’re saying every other day of cypanite at 1ml/100mg. I understood that the half life is about four days to peak.if I increased dose would this stop my breakouts, as well as increased muscle production? I’m 53 btw. I haven’t had a zit in 40 Fricking years
Sir if hamoglobin is high around 16 then what ester to take. Can I take testosterone suspension and HGH or I will go for testosterone entha Primobolan and Anadrol 50 or I will go for entha, bolde and Anadrol 50 or dbol.
My body is a heat body can't digest heat products to much
Please share your opinion.
I heard this works well: #1 drawing the total weekly injection ml amount into a large enough syringe. #2 mix thoroughly. #3 Backload 7 insulin injections into equal amounts. #4 Inject one (of the 7) every day subcutaneously. This results in less pain and even hormone levels throughout the days, weeks and months. I heard TRT doctors are recommending this ;-)
@Vince1260 not that I've heard or experienced. I'm not a doctor. Oh, Test Suspension did not go through the needle. It's too thick.
So Enanthate once a week or what ?! I thought by the 5th day , enanthate starts to drop down...so to keep the levels steady and not drop , shoudn't one inject about every 5 days ? like if you wait till the 7th day of the week to inject again , the 6th and 7th day aren't they enough to make the T levels drop ?!
That DP Prop is good stuff lol
How do you get around the pain of injecting frequently. I like propionate but then the reason I do cypionate is because I can inject only 2ice a week? But then you say to take every other day. Then the pain of injecting the needle is mind-hamering
Dave you didn't address HRT with cyp or eth. Did you inject once per week when on 100mg's?
I load with prop then level with E then finish with cyp. I sight suspension works great hurts like a bitch
I have a triple esther compound. Ciponate, proponate, enanthate. How well does this work?
I need tiny needles to put half a ml in at a time. Can i put regular needles on replaceable diabetic syrangies?
For me, cypionate, every day subQ (the Crisler method) works best. I use a 25ga 5/8 pin (some use as small as a 30ga) is virtually painless, and the tiny dose (25 mg for year round TRT, (I’m 50) loads easy/fast enough into the syringe.
For people who think 25ga is still a large needle, I come from the 80s era when we all used 18ga 1.5” railroad spikes! 🤦♂️
Have you used a bigger dose subq? Like .5 cc ? I'm wondering how much is possible subq in terms of volume
Peter Woodward I’ve read that .5 is probably the most volume you’d want to do in one subQ injection.
@@OldManStrength4094 Think I'm going to give .4 cc.twice a week a try, a lot of people have told me it's a lot more convenient. Have watched Crisler's videos and the info seems good.
Peter Woodward I believe I benefit way more from the frequent (daily) injections than I do the method of injection (subQ vs IM).
why use a 25ga syringe when a 29 works just fine? I push the syringe in a bit to get it deeper in to me so that I am sure I am in the muscle and inject. Basically zero scar tissue. I inject EOD 30mg test, 50mg NPP. No side effects.
I just take a maintainence dose of cypionate twice a week at about 0.8ml injections of 200mg\ml stuff. I hate injecting so any more often than that would be horrible. This vid has made me think though
So I’ve been on a cycle for the past 4 months and now it’s time to get off can I get straight into a trt doing like 100mg a week of test E or I should just do the pct and give it some time for my body to get to normal ?
What's the best bulky cycle for beginners
Your awesome dave
But how much do you take if you take it every other day mine is 250/ml, I was told to take once a week?
Explains why when I took 4AD it was like I'd feel amazing for a few hours and then get real grouchy. Half life was barely three hours right? Just like test base suspension.
4ad is way different, however you should have known to dose 2 or 3x a day
Have I tried every ester of test under the sun? Nope! What I do know is this. For me, it's all wonderful as far as prop, E, Cyp, and sus 250. Don't like jabbing every other day so prop isn't my jam. E and cyp are great, and usually my go to. But I have to personally say that my levels remain the best and I feel the best on 2 shots of sust 250 a week. Most guys think there are different kinds of test. No, there are different esters. Test is great, the right ester for one's needs is even better. It's the best of all worlds in my personal opinion and I think it would be the most popular if more guys tried it.
How do you dose the Sus250 per week? And what do you use and how do you dose to Avoid aromatízation for side effects? (Acne/Hairloss)
@@stx956 I run 200 mg of EQ with it so estrogen isn't a problem. However at 250mg a week, it usually wouldn't be anyway. How do I dose it? .5 twice a week.