Exposing the Lies, Greed, & Corruption that's Destroyed the Beauty Industry | BEAUTIFUL and BOTHERED
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- On this week’s episode of Beautiful and Bothered, Johnny and Kevin dissect the lies, greed, and corruption of the beauty industry. Johnny reveals incredibly specific examples as they discuss content creators selling their souls for brand deals, brands exploiting honest content creators and manipulating consumers, and dupe culture ruining innovation.
🖤 A note (and elaboration) on today's conversation:
"I can't tell you how much a struggled with the decision to even release this episode. Not out of nervousness to alienate brands, but the apprehension of getting our points across in a logical and humble manner to all of you. It's nearly impossible to have a conversation like this (especially on the internet) without triggering someone's defense. Either telling you... your experience is wrong, how they think you should feel about it, or that theirs or someone else's experiences are worse. We want to make it clear from the start... we're not on the offensive. To any of these inevitable comments, we say, "...we know." We're not prioritizing our problems over anyone else's. We would actually love for you to share your story or get something off your chest, if you're comfortable doing so. The space we've created here is one in which we can help each other and take genuine concern for each others well-being. We hope to always be there for you with understanding and grace, as we hope you will be for us. As Kevin and I say in the episode, makeup and beauty used to be a space of beloved creativity and self-expression. As professional makeup artists for over a decade, that was the industry we fell in love with.
Some of you might be thinking, “it’s not a big deal.”
Please understand that for us, it is not only our livelihood, but it saved our lives in a world we regularly get told we're not welcome in. The frustration you see in this conversation is two people mourning the loss of that security to corporate greed and social media. Above all else, I hope you understand how grateful I am for the platforms I have and the opportunities I have received.
But what good is a platform without using it to amplify the voices of those desperate for honesty, equality, and integrity?
I also want to make it clear how much we celebrate the success of our female counterparts. Our frustrations at the sexism and homophobia we face does not detract from our feelings of how WORTHY they are for the opportunities they receive. The discussion of inequality often gets reduced to a contest of, "what someone wants... will take something away from another." We're all aware of the defensive arguments from threatened men in male-dominated fields when women speak up about being denied a much-deserved seat at the table. I hope this conversation doesn't inspire the reverse.
It is a conversation and safe space for all persons who are tired of climbing a mountain that is exponentially steeper because of their gender, race, sexual orientation, age, etc. Our ONLY goal in sharing these struggles is in the hope that one day everyone will get to run towards their dreams on the same playing field. 🖤 We love you all.
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Can I just say and I'm crying a bit whilst I'm typing, it's not just the martini. You, Robert, Kevin and James gave me back enough self confidence to take care of me. I'm 55, a mother of a teen and a wife. I'd pretty much lost myself. Your content helped me find me. Do not EVER think that you guys don't make a difference. I'm so grateful to you all. Y'all rock really hard.
Now I'M crying reading this! 🥹 A. We'll have a martini with you anytime! B. Thank you so much... I can't explain how much this means to us. All we can hope for is to help everyone realize how beautiful they are and how worthy they are of FEELING beautiful. This was a very tough episode to film... so I can't thank you enough for this kindness 💕 Cheers!
❤❤❤❤ my top beauty gurus YOUS,Robert,James,Erin…. Spilling truth bombs,opening conversations and eyes,plus shoots and giggles!!! Much love and please continue with pertinence and eloquence,shimmy of humour,we support and recognise your hard word ,we appreciate you-Johny and Kevin….LOVE YOU BEBE❤❤❤❤
I love these two and their peeps like you! It's amazing to hear the positives of social media! At 50 they taught me how to be confident at my sons wedding and I'd stayed because through my husband's cancer battle they make me smile and laugh every Sunday ( And now sometimes during the week) I don't how Johnny/Kevin don't have everyone wanting them. I know so many Midwestern 50 year olds and we all love these two and trust them!
@@trac6009 I love that you had confidence! I'm so sorry life is hard.
It is so frustrating to hear that brands are ignoring your talent and expertise in the make-up world. Clearly because they are not wanting to have men represent their products; that mindset by the brands/retailers is so, so wrong.
You both are one of the few I watch for trustworthy info. Thank you because as another person said I’m an older person trying to find true info that would work for me vs. a viral products being shoved in front of us every.single.day. Your true experience as professional mua’s matters to me.
Thank you for your outspoken honesty about the industry and how social media is so abusive by brands.
Amen on the SAD issue - I live in it for 4 months every year….
Your truth is so important.
This is exactly why i want you two to have a patreon. I want to be able to pay you directly for the information you provide. You are educational, have integrity and skill and you deserve to be compensated for what you bring us
I would love that
Yes!
Down for this!
If all these other fools who already make plenty of money can have one, Johnny and Kevin need one for sure.
Straight up they deserve to make some money for their work lord knows everyone has some sort of paid content now.
Can we make it a Super Bowl tradition on the podcast where Johnny and Kevin expose all the BS in the beauty industry and call it Super Bull Sunday??? 🤣🤣🤣 Loved this episode!!! 💕💕💕 We are always grateful for all the work that you guys put into your content. I hope you know how much we appreciate and love you guys!!! Content is always chef's kiss 🫶🤌😽
THIS 😊🎉
Yes.
Let’s start campaigning Trixie for next year’s Super Bull halftime show now!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@@CasualViewer768 I'm dying laughing imagining that!!! 🤣🤣🤣
It honestly makes me so sad & makes me wanna cry to hear Johnny go through these struggles because I don’t understand why people think that we wouldn’t want a collaboration of his products & honestly these brands are missing out on money. I don’t buy new pallets anymore but if I knew that Johnny or Kevin had made one, I would buy it immediately because I know that it would be a good product. It’s 2024 why is it so hard to accept a man who wears make up? I thought that I was good at make up until I’ve learned so many things that I had no idea I was doing wrong, or didn’t even know, from these two men. Like, damn sorry that these brands are intimidated by people who do make up better than them & are not female. I’m happy that they standby products that are actually good versus having people go out & buy a bunch of products for their personal financial gain, to find out they aren’t worth it. It’s like Johnny said those people have no more followers or viewers. Mr. Johnny Ross, I would have killed to have you do my make up when I got married, I wish I could have hired you even though you don’t do it anymore. You deserve better than this. I fucking love this podcast & I fucking love you guys💕🥰 sending all the love & I hope you are happy & safe!
Ok...slightly pissed off STRAIGHT, opened minded, Southern black, 54 year old mother, grandmother, and subscriber talking. I don't care if you're male or female, gay or straight, or pink and grey polka dotted...as long as the face looks good and your being 💯 you have my attention. I watch you faithfully for your honesty and chemistry. I watch your beauty videos for the information and techniques. I love how you include EVERYONE...every skin type, tone, texture, issue...of every person truly interested in beauty in general. And I love your skits because you are just so damn funny (you need to put Kevin in a few of those ). I'm so very thankful to people like you to keep me educated and confident in my beauty journey as the bitch that is Time has decided to start playing her cruel joke of aging on my face and body😂 I simply love you and Kevin to pieces. 🥰
@michellelacour5543 From one Michelle to another, beautifully written!
Too bad those in charge of these brands aren't as open-minded.
@@NeversurrenderMM66 Facts
Love everything you wrote. Wish you all the blessings
@@frillycreation8922 thank you...many blessings to you as well.💖
This is my superbowl!
Abso-f#cking-lutely 💚
Same! ❤
Same 🫶
Johnny I’m saddened that you are being excluded from being considered for brand deals etc just because of your gender. You have so much knowledge about everything beauty. If I saw a collab with you and a brand omg I’d instantly believe it was good because I trust your knowledge and judgment on brand quality and consistency. Please keep chugging along with Kevin because I love you both so much. Big hugs to you both 🫶🫶🫶🫶
Same! I don't sportsball. 😂
I am fuming.... I am a 53 yr old female executive that had decided I was too out of touch and too old to understand makeup again... you two have been a lifeline to my returned self confidence in my ability to navigate "beauty". I trust NO ONE else's opinions on beauty. Hold the line and keep doing what you do. Your integrity is why I continue to watch, and I am sure I am not alone in that aspect. ❤❤❤❤
Good for you x
No you are still right.
I feel the same! I don’t have time for makeup and when I do I don’t want to buy 52 dollar foundation and 30 dollar mascara to not like it or to where it when my husband and I do date night without having our kids 24/7
Gal's Off Topic, watching the Pod and I AM in Awe of the Gold Undereye Patches that Johhny & Kevin have been rocking these couple of days!
If anyone knows, ladies I would be SO gratfeul 💜
Best wishes chat from Serbia!
Let me say.. as a die hard feminist, I appreciate you both so much. How dare people shit on you when you both have brought up the shit woman catch on the daily. Real people love you, you both are great humans. Fuck everyone who doesn't understand true support for one another.
@tersher1825
I completely agree. Great comments! Keep preaching hard!!❤
Johnny, please don’t ever think that you’re not good enough or not working hard enough just because companies don’t see the good in you- you make me and so many other people SO happy, and I can’t tell you how much I’ve learned from your content. you’re doing a marvelous job.
I hope he reads your comment as this broke my heart my favourite content creators in the beauty space are men James and Robert Welsh Johnny and now Kevin…. Companies get it together xx
Agreed. Seeing Johnny feeling so down was VERY hard to watch. It makes you just want to run over there, scoop him up, and give him the biggest hug. And seeing Kevin's genuine concern for his friend made me want to scoop him up too. These two have made so many so happy. ❤️❤️❤️
@@shannonstevens2476True ❤
What I love about your show is the fact that I have deleted tik tok aboslute ages ago. So when you do pass or purchase thats my exposure to brands and whats worth my time. Im even too scared to talk to employees because they dont seem to actually know?? or care about what my goals are? They just push the same things that influencers push. I come here for the TRUTH
Amen
Honestly, its going to be a struggle but genuinely the creators that get it and are sincere will thrive in the long run - those that "tell the truth" will prevail!
IT'S SO WILD how many employees just push the viral products without paying attention to what I want. Sephora isn't investing in proper product training. Tiktok is product training for their employees, it seems like.
Same!!!❤ I can’t even begin to tell you my frustration! I am so grateful for this channel! ❤
I am almost 60 (in April) and look forward to you guys, every Sunday ! I love that you include "mature" women in your recommendations. You are easily the BEST on RUclips. Please keep it going!!! Love you both so much!!!!❤
I’m turning 60 in April also. Love their recommendations. Much Love
Yep! I'm 70 & love these guys!
I’m 55 and I appreciate Johnny and Kevin so much for including us mature women. ❤
“Don’t even get me started…” should be your tag line.
Merch idea!
I'd buy that shirt in an instant!
This was eye opening and heartbreaking. I stopped watching most makeup content and unsubscribed from many big creators because of their disingenuous content and undisclosed sponsorships. You (Johnny) are the only creator whose product reviews I still watch because of your honesty. The addition of Kevin brought a new life to your channel and I absolutely adore your new videos. If you ever get discouraged, please remember this and other comments on this video and know that your subscribers think that you two offer something very unique and that’s why we keep coming back. ❤
YES!!!! This is the truth!!
Same thing Here! I grew up with the OG's of Beauty RUclips like M. Phan, miss mam' Lisa Eldrige 💗 who is still so professional, unproblematic and Informative to this Day!
Wayne Goss, Nikkie Tutorials, Tati {If we foorget anout the Drama, Michelle has definitely fallen in my eyes after the MLM & "Yoga Retreats" that they charge an abysmal amount of Money and pseudoscience zhey push} but the beggining was so much more wholesome.
But there is def so many actally talented Indie Channels that deserve SO much more reccodhnition.
Sorry for my English, its my Third langauge but I agree 1/1!
Johnny, I'm shocked that brands aren't falling over themselves to make offers to you. Your content is fantastic and I'm really disappointed that brands are being so dismissive of you and so greedy that they don't want to pay you just bc you are a man. I thought we were way past that point. Good for you for keeping your integrity and for putting this info out for ppl to know. Keep your head up. You are loved by your audience. Maybe you and Kevin should make your own brand. That would be amazing 😍
When they're so loving, inclusive, basically just so non-problematic!
I'm still just shaking my head so hard at JCP. If they visited here, they would see all us grandma types who love Johnny and Kevin! Damn perfect collab, and they're too dumb to see it.
My nephew recently came out to me, the first person in our family. He now enjoys coming over to use my makeup in a safe place until he’s ready for the world to know. We love watching y’all together. You’ve helped give him confidence that boys can wear makeup and be beautiful. You matter!
I’m so glad he has such an amazing aunt❤
Bless you for supporting this
We need more amazing people like you in this world.
This is precious ❤️ I’m so glad your nephew has a safe place to exist as he is. Everyone deserves that and I’m glad you can see that.
This is heartwarming. I think it just as important to see men in the makeup space as it is to see women. Makeup is for everyone! ❤
I'm seriously considering playing portions of this video in my Gender, Law, and Politics course! The discrimination you describe is something queer scholars have been screaming about for years. It's kind of incredible. Thank you for being so transparent and honest!
Brilliant idea!!! Perhaps I should add it into my "Stereotypes and Discrimination" component of my course 👍
Yes, this would be perfect.
I have learned more from MEN doing make up/skincare and giving honest recommendations/reviews so I will forever be grateful to you,Kevin, James and Robert Welsh. I tune in every single week to listen to y’all and I think y’all are absolutely amazing!! ❤❤ shame on brands for not giving men the same opportunities as others!!
As someone that literally takes notes on your recommendations, it makes me sad you don't get the recognition you deserve. You guys are always so spot-on!
I take notes too! ❤
I take notes too lol
I need a special B&B/Welsh Twins notepad.
Me too! I have a Kevin and Johnny / RoseandBen recommendations notebook made from recycled paper. It lives in my "therapy box" so when I'm really struggling with life, i am allowed to pick one thing from the list to buy.
Love the way Kevin just listened to you pour your heart out, Johnny. That's a true friend. Love you both and wishing you sunnier days ahead💞
Sustainability grad student studying to work in beauty/skincare packaging, here… THANK you for speaking about the waste portion of this whole mess! I love y’all for that. No one talks about it
It felt like the tides for sustainability and PR had started to change and then TikTok really took off. And we were back to the same antics.
Yeah right when it was a sort of common sense cultural moment for the more egregious wastefulness, the short term entertainment shift of consumerism with tik tok shop and temu and all that really reestablished their grasp on social media and the society in general. I read someone saying lockdown had this association w social media being much more about stuff bc we werent doing anything and it's like now everything has this inflated production value where it's cheap af but it'll sell because of the filters and the packaging and the marketing all designed to make you feel like theres a special communal exchange happening and it's just grifting basically.
@@marciamarciamarcia3117 couldn’t agree more - tiktok is ruining this planet in wrong of our eyes (corporations too of course)
What happened to one bottle in a cardboard box with built-in chocks? Now everything is like five layers of plastic.
I was really surprised by the waste as a senior woman. So much buying, and hauling, then decluttering, getting huge boxes of products they won’t use. I assumed younger people cared about waste and extravagant excess. It’s such a contrast to the trendy ‘clean’ beauty ethos; it’s hypocritical.
I’m a Mom of two. Born and raised in conservative haven Texas. My cousin was a drag queen for a number of years, and in my deepest darkest days, he pulled me out of it with makeup. I got into 2014-2016 hype, fell in love with creators who had me disgusted and over it by 2019. I kid you not, I had given up and was back into not caring. Then I met Barbara. Actually, my daughter found Barbara on accident on my phone and I turned back on RUclips kids for her and saved that hilarious short. It got me back on the beauty train and made me genuinely laugh for the first time in I don’t even know how long. I appreciate all you and Kevin do. Y’all are out here busting it. I share this podcast to whoever will listen. ❤ Please keep going!!!!! We love you!!
I know this might not help but you both have carved a huge spot in the heart of this 65 year old soon to be a grandma ❣️🥰😘🇨🇦
I absolutely adore them! 63, no kids. They tell it like it is and make it funny.
You two have single handedly changed not only my makeup knowledge, my application and ultimately my CONFIDENCE! I personally can’t thank you both enough for what you do to educate, illustrate and illuminate the community that has been through so much bullshit. You two are a complete breath of fresh air and these mega corporations that continue to shady and completely bias and sexist sickens me and enrages me equally! It’s truly THEIR loss at the end of the day for not tapping into and empowering change in not only beauty, but a positive change for people!! I need to stop before I ramble further…TLDR, you two are icons, and you two will have your moment to change the world and you will! Sending you both huge love from Cleveland ❤
Not me drunk replying and reading it back to myself 🤣
@@HowDidIGetHere91you are beyond adorable
Oh my God, not me being the person who could give two shits less about the Super Bowl, but has been glued to my phone for my Beautiful and Bothered notification! 😁💁♀️💜
Hahaha 😂💕😘
@beautifulandbothered off topic, I need to know what toning shampoo you both use?!
Omg literally me all morning 😂
Same!
Yes ma’am😂
The sad thing, for me, is that for once I have someone (you guys, the Welsh twins and a handful of others) talking to me (43) AND my daughter (12) about how make up really looks like IRL, how important is skin care, how FUN can make up be, and you get drown in this ocean of nothingness 🙄 I'm struggling to keep my daughter with her eyes open for this fake, sus situations. She's too young, she is too easy influenced. I'm here working "against" all this social media Circus every fu*ing day, and it's exhausting! Because for her, at the end of the day, this "girlies"are cute, fun, loaded and she tends to trust them.. Please don't leave us alone! You guys are my secret weapon 😁 How can we help you? How can we help you do your job?
Love you guys so much!
I would rather listen to the two of you than ANYONE else about beauty products because you've proven yourselves to be transparent and honest about these products and techniques. I understand I'm in the minority, but I'm not alone: I don't care what gender the person is, if they're honest and good at what they do, I'm following
Absolutely! Integrity is so much more important than anything else
Literally commented basically the same thing. These 2 are 2 of maybe 5 ppl that I’d actually consider going on and purchasing something based on the recommendations of.
I have never commented on any RUclips, Instagram or TikTok video until now. I am a 57 yr old white woman who has never received more useful information from two well educated makeup and skincare specialists in all my years! If you were two white women I would not be listening to you! I love that you tell the truth! I love how you dig deep into brands! I love your humor. I love how well you mesh together. You guys make me so happy! I drive around all day for work and look so forward to new content from you both! Thank you so much for all you do! I appreciate your time!
I needed to hear your opening about seasonal depression really badly today. I just took a whole diazapam, because I cannot kick the anxiety and depression today. THIS is one reason why podcasts are important. We need to know we are not alone in our feelings. ❤
I am so sorry hope things get better for you
Those benzos make everything worse!!! Rebound anxiety. Prescribed to me many years ago. Haven’t had one in almost 3 years. Anxiety is gone.
@@PenelopePeriwinkle maybe just let them do what the want/need? Not everyone is that way. Like with me it gets rid of it completely unless I have something else medical going on connected to certain issues I have. Otherwise it works perfect
I hope we have an early spring because I'm just not a winter baby ❤
My SAD has been especially bad this winter. It just sucks the life out of you! I hope you're feeling better soon.
I'm 35 and only got into RUclips the last few months. I was never interested and I now realize why - after being in retail, I didn't want to watch all the FAKE people who are just promoting product without actually knowing what they're talking about. Robert Welsh was the first one I fell in love with. Then I saw Johnny's Sephora skits and laughed because I had clients like that too (non-beauty retail). I was so happy when I found his podcast on here. The other person I love is Andrea Ali. She's a real makeup artist and talks about products the same way Johnny/Kevin/Robert do. Thank you guys for making me feel included and having real conversations about the beauty industry.
Im standing with you Johnny. I'll never shop at JCP beauty. As consumers our money is our voice. I'm a 40 something white woman who spends a fortune on makeup bc I LOVE it so I'm the "target" audience for these brands I can't be the only one who is pissed off by the way you are being treated. Thank you for shedding light on this.
I am a 52 year cancer warrior. I am so over a lot of the beauty space. It is wasteful and sometimes I feel so thankful that I am beyond feeling pressured to keep up. New holy grails every day from some people. Hang in there maybe the beauty bandit will take this BS away❤ This video made me emotional. I think you and Kevin have talent well beyond make up and we are here for it❤
Hi guys! Just absorbing your positive energy and witnessing the friendship between you two makes me feel so happy 🤗Sending love to you both from Illinois ❤
Thank you! ❤ We can’t tell you how much your positivity and support helps us!
Johnny and Kevin are 100% #FriendshipGoals.
This podcast is so important to me. I love makeup. So much. I’m a guy, that works at Sephora, I literally in New Jersey and am also getting so messed up from this weather. I love colorful, gothic grungy makeup. I love to do the “weird” makeup lol. It’s so sad to see all makeup just become the same. The gondolas are set up the damn same: liquid bronzing drops and blushes on top, skin tint on the next shelf, etc. It breaks my heart. I’m also so sad to hear about your struggles in this industry, because this is the best podcast I’ve listened to, you’re both so talented, and educated, and entertaining, you guys deserve so much better. I love watching it, I love nerding out of makeup, I could and do talk about it for hours, hear about it. I’m glad that you’re doing this new type of content, it brings you joy, and it shows. Thats part of the magic. Keep going, I really know you’re building something so special. Not only does it entertain me and help my hangovers on Sunday morning, but as another guy in makeup, that works in beauty, and I’m 21 and just figuring things out, it gives me hope that I can do something of substance in this world of bland, clean-girl, virality nonsense. So uh yeah thank you guys, you’re killing it.
Sending you strength against the Barbras!
I've been rewatching episodes all week because I couldn't wait for this kind of REAL conversation 🙏🙌🙌🙌🙌
Omg, me too! I bide my time till the next episode comes out by rewatching their content!!🎉
Lemme just say, Johnny and Kevin, I feel for you both. 🥺 It's so incredibly unfair the way you've been overlooked and passed on. It makes no sense whatsoever because I'd trust you over any other beauty RUclipsr outside of Robert. You're exactly what the beauty RUclips realm needs!! You're saying the things everyone is thinking and feeling, you're giving us honest reviews, honesty about brands, etc. and the world needs more of that! Please don't quit doing what you do. You're important in this space and one day someone will see the value you give to us and take care of you properly. I have no doubt you'll get to where you need to be. 💖 I will tell you, I watch a lot of true crime content, which is very difficult to get monetized due to the topics included. But because of that, I know of sponsors who may be more open to work with you! Lately I'm seeing a lot of phone games being sponsors, a lot of health products like Beam Tea, apps for like yoga classes, things like scent bird, purple mattress, helix mattress, etc.. So maybe you should reach out to those kinda people to help get you sponsored? Since they're willing to advertise on something like true crime, they sure as hell shouldn't see a problem with your content! I'd maybe reach out or have your manager look at some of those sponsors and see if you can get any of them at least. It would be better than waiting around I'd think on some makeup brands who are too stupid to see your worth. 😅 Idk, it's just a thought, and maybe something to look into. Anyways, I love you both so much and I appreciate all your amazing content and I hope it never stops! Know that you're very very appreciated by many, even if brands are too stuck up to realize it yet. ❤
@leannas.2685 yes! Say it louder. ❤ for johnny and kevin
As a 56-year-old woman, thank you for helping me relove beauty. You are so both so amazing!! Don't ever doubt how much you matter. You make the world a more beautiful place❤
Johnny is unhinged today 🤣
And absolutely right. I can only speak for myself, but I appreciate the honesty. I don’t consume beauty content from large creators like Mikayla because frankly it isn’t enjoyable being sold something every time I view content. I equate it to being at a restaurant and having the server offer something every time they walk by. How much is too much?? It’s sad to see companies omitting your contributions to the beauty space but the reality is brands don’t value honesty. They want you to play the game because they don’t care if the product is good, only that it sells. Honesty interferes with that.
Please know I am a woman who leans to you both for making me feel good about myself, a mother who loves to feel confident walking out the door. You are both loved and supported.
I wish I could give you guys hugs. Thank you for your radical honesty. This shit-homophobia, ageism, corporate bullshit-needs to come to light. You both are so talented and fucking special. I’ve been into makeup on RUclips for forever and you guys are the first makeup artists I’ve EVER seen who showed real passion, real emotions, and inspired and inspiring talent. You’ve given more of a shit about mature women and their makeup than any Mikayla, Meredith, or other female makeup personality on social media. You’re also the first makeup “influencers” to actually give recommendations-Hourglass powders FTW!!!-that are consistently amazing … because they come from 2 decades of actual makeup ARTISTRY and not an algorithm or corporation. Fuck JCPenney and any other entity that refuses to see-or is unable to see because they don’t know shit-your passion, excellence, beauty, experience, talent, kindness, intelligence because you happen to be men. Why does that even matter? Who gives a fuck if a man is wearing lip gloss? Because he wears it better than them? It’s so disgusting. Corporations actively hate LGBTQ until it’s June and they can make money off their suffering.
I ADORE you guys and all you’ve accomplished. You are the real deal and deserve the world. I can’t tell you what it means as a 41 year old woman to hear “you are beautiful” each week. Your work has meaning because you put real feelings and real effort. You give a shit. You guys truly have my heart off all you’ve done and who you are. 💖💖💖
Poor Johnny about to have a nervous breakdown talking about Juvias place highlighter/blush.
I felt this episode right to the heart….😢
The beauty community is so beat down, only a very few content creators are actually “winning”…the rest are just fighting for scraps. These huge brands are laughing all the way to the bank, what happened to all the marketing budgets …these big brands have the $ to pay for content creation. It’s so sad.
❤ you both & I truly hope this becomes something remarkable for you both.
It saddens me knowing such a sweet person is hurting. As an older woman who doesn't care whether or not have makeup on or not, absolutely love watching you. Short doem-long doem doesn't matter. I'm always entertained and I always learn something. Then Kevin joined and everything got even better. I can only speak for myself but I am a lifelong fan. No matter what you decide to do I will support you. Sending massive amounts of love to you. ❤❤❤❤
The eye patches are back babyyyy!!!
Loving how Johnny is wearing glasses to keep them on
I remember 10 years ago, I, a grown ass woman decided I was gonna sign up for a martial arts class. The first dojo I messaged replied enthusiastically that they had many beginners classes... for my *children*. -.-I have fought my way into male-dominated hobbies/groups and jobs all my life. The frustration, the anger, feeling invisible and disrespected--I feel you guys! It's all the worse, because more women should know better. Well. We got work to do. Love you both, Johnny and Kevin! I hope the sun returns soon!
And Johnny? I **love** the glasses!!
I'm a hairstylist and MUA, everything you're saying about making content, the beauty industry and all of that is so real. I hate what this industry has become because I feel like I want to get out and that makes me feel heartbroken.
I was hairdresser, and I see since many years over social medias, impossible customer expectations. Some who destroy your reputation for a yes or a no, I don't think my sanity would have held up. You are very good too stay in this industry, I am very sad too see where the industry go 😢
This hit hard. I'm a 70 yr old cis white female who also just loves makeup. When you looked to camera & said that those of us that watch you or hear your podcast are in the minority it just about broke my heart. I remember having these kind of conversations with my college friends 50 years ago! We supported the gay community as it was called then. It makes me so sad that so little has changed. Back then this was not how i thought things would be all these years later. Please stay strong.❤
You need to get things like patreon and other ways for fans to support you directly. Then your only responsibility would be to the fans and creating honest content that we can trust. My mom passed away last year and you two were one of the only things that could make me smile. I'm not really even into beauty, but i watch you faithfully every week. I'd be delighted to give you direct support so you can keep creating the content I love.
Yes, that was my thought! Patreon, please!
Also my thought, they should be able to raise funds directly and be independent.
Everyone belongs in beauty - no matter gender / race / sexuality or class.
You two ARE beauty !
Thank you for beeing you, giving insight to what is going on the beauty industry and inspiring me to be creative with makeup - Im falling back in love with it (and got my first palette of bright and colorful eyeshadow a few weeks ago ) thanks to you.
Total honesty, you two are the last vestige of beauty influencer media for me. I literally follow no one else at this point. I occasionally seek out videos about a particular product, or I check in with the Welsh twins, but the truth is that I’m just done with all of them. I have more makeup than I will ever reasonably use and I’m looking for creative ways to use it. I’m not buying any damn thing unless it’s truly innovative. I’m also beyond uninterested in supporting corporate manipulation and gatekeeping. I know it’s been rough and can only imagine how frustrated and disheartened you are after all of this, Johnny. Please know that if you decide a Patreon is the way to go, you have many subs who would support y’all there. More of Beautiful and Bothered, less of the other BS.
And not that I was shopping at Penney’s anyway, but they’re officially dead to me now too. Makeup has no gender and I seriously cannot believe (except unfortunately I can) the 2012 of this attitude of theirs. Beyond being hateful, from a purely business standpoint they really can’t afford to be alienating such a high-value market segment. I’m all for supporting indie brands, though, so I’ll continue doing that with them directly.
Yes! Beautiful & Bothered Patreon. I’ll sign up now..
And their whole brand is "inclusive beauty!" So it's obviously just empty words. They really blew it.
As someone who doesn't wear makeup often, but does theater and needs products that work, this channel is a breath of fresh air. I'm so tired of feeling like someone is trying to sell me something or wow me with newest viral product when I just want to know what products/techniques work and get out. Having a channel that focuses on how to use makeup as well as what products work and for who is so refreshing, and you're the only beauty youtube I watch consistently anymore
This is me too. Im 38 and feel like my skin looks better when i wear less make-up now, so I am just looking for the basics to keep myself looking my (mostly) natural best on the day to day and something special for a night out.
This is the ONLY podcast I watch. Because it’s actually entertaining and educational. Commenting for the algorithm and because of my love for this.
Please don't ever stop this podcast 🙏 I am not exaggerating when I say I wake up excited on Sundays because I get to watch Beautiful and Bothered❤
SAME. SAME. SAME!
Me too!! 🎉🎉
Johnny, The glasses look so sophisticated. They look amazing on you!!
What a scorching episode!! ❤️🔥 What a legacy you're establishing! You'll be here long after the trend-chasers, and so will we! I just turned 40 this year, and I can't imagine buying products for my "mature skin" without watching your reviews! 💯 And that's just the information you provide, not to mention the regular belly laughs! Thank you both! 🥰
You two are my sanity check, my gurus and font of wisdom and validation. I am NOT 23 with perfect taught skin. I’m a grown up with skin that is less elastic, that has dry spots or discoloration. I honestly stopped buying makeup because nothing delivered, nothing performed as promised but that was because the influencers don’t know the science and physics of cosmetics but you do. I don’t care if you’re man, woman or non-binary, if you know your stuff and have integrity, I want to hear what you have to say. Brands need to figure this out fast but sadly, they’ve been burned by the James Charles types. Catty, dishonest, problematic in their personal lives. Those of us who watch the podcast and your beauty content get it. Not only that, you two together is platinum! It’s the communication, the humor, the analysis and wit of it all! I dearly love you both and you’ve actually got me to buy some of your recommendations. I am amazed and delighted and adore you both❤❤
I'd watch you both no matter what you create. I love the humor, the honesty and the education.
I am going to say it. With this political climate they don’t want to work with men in fear of being canceled. They think it will be a bud light situation. I’m not saying it’s right it absolutely isn’t. You both deserve the world!!!
I'm in my 30s now and I hate that this is a common thread where now my jaded self is reacting like, "Well, yes, it's like this in many industries."
Nice guys wear our hearts on our sleeves, get the job done, and ends up seeming like its all for not. Then we get on our soapbox and say, "This isn't right, here's how we can fix it." Come to find out that nobody cares and nothing changes.
This endless cycle of giving it your all, realizing that nice guys DO finish last, fighting to fix it and repeating... it's exhausting.
"I don't know where I am" Screaming 😭😭🙌🏻 2:09
The Charolette Tilburry pr box tomfoollery made me realize another great thing about Trixie Cosmetics, their pr boxes are relatively small compared to most others, they also talk about having their pr boxes be reusable for other purposes, they even in the last pr box made it so the product holder insert thingy can be removed so the box can be used more as a proper box also looking at them they seem to only be card board, no plastic bits no sytrofoam no nothing
And its amazing
You guys are such a breath of fresh air! Time and time again you have given us unfiltered information and opinions about the beauty industry! Thank you so much for these videos!
You & Kevin, the Welsh twins, Allie, and Angie Hot & Flashy are the ONLY creators I watch for beauty.
Johnny & Kevin~your product honesty, knowledge, and application skills are priceless to me. Oh and more important--you actually have morals and a soul. I love that you're not sellouts or blasting gushing, BS reviews. I love you two so much, and I look forward to your videos each week.
It is DISGUSTING to me that you don't have sponsorships and brands falling at your feet to make them content. It makes me realize how sad and shitty the world is becoming, full of liars and sheep following the trail soulless "influencers" who don't give a crap about anything but their image on social media and their payoff.
So, in an unrelated confirmation of what you guys were talking about a few weeks ago; I went to Sephora yesterday and passed a tween girl pulling her tween friend down an aisle, while saying "I know where the Drunk Elephant is!!!! I'll show you!!!!!!" 💀😐
AND I don't care what that company says, their marketing team is trying to appeal to kids on purpose. Because, when I passed the DE display, it was every colour in the NEON rainbow. Those shelves looked like the inside of Katy Perry's brain.
It makes me sad bc these kids just want to play with nice smelling pretty goo but there's nowhere for kids to go do that stuff
i LOOOOVE this podcast as a teen girl who wants to know what makeup to buy, learning from hilarious makeup artists. as someone who wants to open a beauty business one day, y’all’s stories about not getting deals because of being men in makeup is terrible, and if anything ever comes of my dreams, you can bet men will be in campaign. that’s why talking about this is so important, so you can educate people on this!! i never would have guessed y’all weren’t getting deals because i assumed who would not want to work with you?? please keep this podcast going, and wishing you luck and money !!
I'm a late-diagnosed autistic woman and back in my teenage years when I was first trying makeup everything was so cakey it made me want to claw my skin off. Now I'm in my forties and understand how my brain works. I'm trying all sorts of things I've spent a lifetime avoiding. You are so encouraging, educational, and authentically yourselves that you inspire me to have more fun with my appearance generally. Thank you!!!
Also, i really appreciate that you prioritise the product not the drama. The drama is better than reality tv sometimes but not what I need every week.
I just got the new aboutbfave foundation - as someone else who can't stand that cakey feeling - it is worth a try
And these guys describe textures, fragrance or no fragrance, etc. so thoroughly that it's easier to find things that feel good!
Thanks for describing exactly how I feel listening to them. ❤
I love you guys. So refreshing having honesty on this level.
Ive been on youtube as an older beauty creator for 11 years, plodding along with my long form videos 3-4 times a month, working a regular job 5 days a week that pays my bills.
RUclips has changed so much, rules, regs and policy changes to benefit them and take away rights and money from the creators. Its all about the ads.
Many of the really good creators either stopped making videos, or switched topic to shopping, travel, lifestyle or gossip.
Now with short form being king, the world has the interest span of a toddler. We long form creators spend hours filming, then half a day editing, only to see the 1 minute video teasers on TIKTOK getting millions of views more.
I get bi-weekly PR, but refuse sponsorships, as many of us long-formers do not sell out to become info-mmercials for brands.
What's your channel name?
Thanks for asking.Its Kathy Aay Beauty & Lifestyle ❤@@maryeckel9682
Honestly, I'm so grateful for your educational content. I missed out on early beauty YT and I had no idea how to do a simple eyeshadow look because I just never learned. I'm so grateful for your tutorial. For the first time, I understood what to do. I was pretty insecure that I didn't know. The other day I did a beautful green look that complimented my eyes and I felt so beautiful. I'm sorry the industry has ground you down so much. It's not fair.
Johnny, you have made a big impact on many of us. Your knowledge, talent, honesty, authenticity, inclusiveness, and humor keep us coming back. You & Kevin need to create your own beauty brand on your terms. I would gladly purchase your makeup products as long as they're cruelty free! ❤
Just subscribed. I can’t tell you how refreshing this is. I never watch any influencer/video that has a ton of boxes in the background. The only way to get that much PR is if you say you LOVE every product. What a waste. Having been in the industry, I appreciate you both! Integrity means everything. Wishing you all the good things that you deserve❤
Thank you for your courage, tenacity, and boldness, you guys 😊No other content creators are really willing to "go there" the way Johnny and Kevin are. I'm only about 3 minutes in to this episode and so excited about this topic. I love you two ❤
Its so damn refreshing to have two gorgeous beautiful yet knowledgeable makeup artists!!! Thank you for being ao open and honest its such a refreshing change....plus the laughs you both bring is so needed ❤❤❤❤
As a 55 year old mom of 2 . I love you both. Having found you because of the sephora stuff I love this podcast because of your honesty. The teaching channel is amazing as you offer different skin types as most for my age do not. I am slowly watching all of the teaching videos to learn more. The creativity you both bring to RUclips is so unique and amazing. We all love you! That’s why we are here.
Both of you are so incredibly talented and honest about all the things, it's heartbreaking to hear how brands are treating you and to see the frustration and hurt. Those of us who value integrity and the hard work you both do to let us know how it truly is, will always support you. I've learned so much, thanks you! Sending all the good vibes your way. :)
I am having so many conflicting feelings watching this. I, like both of you, have always loved makeup and definitely view it as artistic and creative expression, but it's so hard to see how negative this environment has become. I give you props for your hard work on long form content and it's why you are one of the only podcasts I am religiously committed to. Your honesty and vulnerability make you so both so easy to watch. Don't stop being who you are!!❤❤❤
The spectrum of responses/emotions I’ve had through this video are remarkable. You’ve got me fellas. You are both such talented individuals and I am grateful for your knowledge, not to mention your HYSTERICAL humor. God bless.
I used to be super invested in the beauty space back in the height of the RUclips beauty community- and its downfall. I don't have tiktok or twitter, so I don't see a lot of the insanity y'all deal with. I don't know the drama until y'all talk about it, and honestly I just can't wrap my brain around the rampant sexism in the beauty industry! I don't understand how women can turn around and create a gender divide, especially in a creative space.
I can tell this episode was really emotional for y'all to film, and that these experiences have really been weighing on you. I am very, very grateful that you are sharing this with us, because it needs to be said out loud! I love you guys always!
I love that you guys do care about the people who will be spending their hard earned money to make sure that they're educated on what actually works and how to use it. I quite literally wouldn't have ever decided to try my hand at make up if it weren't for all the education I get here. I listened from the get- go, but the chemistry you two have is magic. The beauty industry is very intimidating to the standard consumer and I know I can trust you two to tell it like it is. The brands should pay more attention because I purposely made a list of products you suggested for mature, dry skin and bought off of those suggestions alone. BTW they were amazing suggestions and have made me feel so confident. I hope you get even the tiniest bit of illumination in your hearts based off of the genuine appreciation people have for your work. Thanks you two!
THIS is why we need you. You are a voice actually interested in true makeup. I'm in my late 50s and have seen so much and have a full history of makeup and so not interested in the sheep following trending products. We need voices like yours.
Your opening statement in this video is Gospel. Preach!
I don’t really watch any other beauty RUclipsrs. I don’t watch just for beauty, but because you guys are fantastic.
I used to watch loads of people a couple years ago and now it's pretty much just this channel and then, Robert and James Welsh's channels.
Omg Johnny the way ur treated is disgusting. I love u guys....I don't want a tutorial about a new palette every single week....I want the palette I just brought a month ago...even female youtuber iv watched for years are becoming more and more about what's new all the time....I just want to see different ways to use what I already have better.
So true. It's like people who say you can't rewear an outfit. For financial and environmental reasons, I want to use what I have before I concider buying something new
@@jenflamingo2496 it infuriates me like I love my trixie palettes where are all the RUclips vids for those aside from Johnny and Kevin....few and fair between....its all about what new what's better like finding new things is great but every vid is just new junk
@caseyrobinson3820 so true! I'm tired of buying lip products. I love wearing them, but I've stopped trusting most makeup reviewers. If something isn't a 'purchase' on this podcast with advice from J and K that it would work for my skin, etc, I'm not buying it.
@@jenflamingo2496 girl same!!!!!! Iv unfollowed so many creators lately cos it's all just using the same stuff....do brands honestly believe we spend up to or over 100 for a palette to use it once?
Your podcast and beauty channel has helped me feel included in the beauty realm again. Im 39 and have 3 teenagers and all I do is Mom (which I'm forever grateful for) but with that comes everybody before me. And Im not 20 with no pores and baby skin. You guys actually include people like me and that is EMPOWERING! So thank you for making a difference in my world. By your expertise, sharing of knowledge and just being 2 lovely people. You both deserve every great thing in the world ❤❤❤❤
When I want an honest option I come to you both and the welsh bros. The brands are afraid of honesty!
Hi Johnny, just wanted to say that you guys and what you do matter, at least to me. I'm in my 40s and could care less about viral videos, I need the truth. I won't spend my hardearned money on viral trends. I always look forward to your purchase or pass, or list of things worthy of checking out, because I know I can trust that you guys will speak the truth. I wish those brands that you feature and recommend would reach out to you because you guys do influence and are influencers, but based on truth. This is more important to me as a consumer. Supporting you all the way from New Zealand. ❤
Listening to you and Kevin makes me wonder how the beauty industry still practices discrimination. I wish I had the funds to have you two open your own line and blow away the competition. You are both passionate about what you do and loved so much! ❤😊
This makes me sad. I can't imagine how disappointing it must be to be work so hard and receive so little and im so sorry for that.
However, I hope you know how much you're doing for me, one single person who desperately needed a friend to laugh with. I'm 43 with severe depression and anxiey. I have let myself go completely since having my daughter 12 years ago. I hate the way I look and feel. Last year at the time I had to go into a mental hospital for 11 days. Since then I've been slowly trying to find out who I am again. Who am I? I'm not just my weight or my changing face and greying hair. Im not just my at times crippling anxiety and depression. I'm a woman, strong and resilient. You both have taught me that I can be beautiful with aging skin. And Kevin, thank you for always reminding me to never give up trying to find something that works because I can find it. I didn't give up and now I feel pretty again.
Aging says we've survived! I'm 20 years older, with depression, anxiety and CPTSD. We are indeed strong, beautiful, and so damn worth it. Johnny and Kevin affirm that for me every week, and I love them for it. They deserve so. Much. More.
You and Kevin are my Go-To advisors for all things beauty. You do have an impact! It’s so unfortunate that the industry won’t recognize it. I’m a teacher, so hard work going unappreciated and uncompensated is a familiar story. And the teaching profession is also under attack in social media, so I feel that pain as well. I know it’s not the same as what you must be feeling, though. I hope these companies extract their heads from their collective rears and recognize quality so you can continue the amazing work you do.
I am compelled to comment on this one. I truly enjoy your content and completely understand the frustration. As a woman of color in the scientific corporate world, I struggle to feel my worth daily. Congratulations on creating your own space because this world will certainly try its best to silence you. Stay strong and forge ahead.
I love y’all so much.♥️
This has quickly become my favorite podcast. Thank you for being brave enough to speak the truth! Much love & respect.😘
Honestly, this was my favorite episode. I felt like we were hanging out for reals. I love you guys also I’m really sorry thus is happening to you this made me cry
Thank you both for showing up this week even though you’re not feeling your best. I’m up in Ontario and we finally had sun last week and you would think I hadn’t seen it in years, rather than weeks. There is only so much a person can take this time of year. Great episode as well… saying out loud what we have all been thinking🥰🥰🥰. The over consumerism makes me so sick.
THIS is the hour long Super Bowl commercial of my dreams. Thank you for saving me.
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Beautiful and Bothered has got me through some really bad times. Especially when I'm so bad that I can't get out of bed, you 2 have really helped raise my spirits for an hour or longer when I replay which I do often ❤😊 love you both ❤😊
I just got to say that I stumbled across you by accident and to say I’m thankful for you guys. You guys have given me so much joy and have given me some amazing content knowledge. I have enjoyed you guys because I feel seen by you two. You guys have given me so much joy. I feel like I can finally be seen. I could see myself in you both. I could be best friends with you both. You guys have wonderful chemistry and always bring some amazing knowledge based content. So thank you from a 30 year old gay male so is trying to figure out how enjoy makeup again. You guys give me hope so thank you.
Thank you for talking about depression and seasonal affective disorder. I had a car accident and have depression and pain 24/7 and knowing others are going through something similar and are able to share that with others is so beautiful to see. You two have me cackling every Sunday and it makes my day. Don’t forget you’re so influential and help others! We ❤ you guys.
I am a male makeup artist and I swear feel this same struggle of getting jobs. I want you to know you guys have really made an impact on me. I haven’t seen myself on a podcast until this one. I am proud of you both.
This podcast is something I look forward to each week! I would absolutely love to be a guest on the pod and talk about what it’s like at the ground level working at the makeup counters in the department store
I loved this. Keep being you (both of you). As a late diagnosed (49) autistic woman in my 50s, I love this channel because I love make-up. I don't have much to spend so I want to know what's good and what's not and I can see right through a lot of the crap to the extent I've unfollowed a lot of beauty channels. You're always a highlight of my Sunday evenings. Goth for life 😊
Your how too vid of the everyday/glam side by side was so informative. And again you both factored in age. There is so much stuff out it's overwhelming and frustrating. No one has the cash to guess anymore. You give us a place to start. Thank you both.
I learned so much watching that!
Johnny, I know you have been at this a while. This podcast with both of you is newer and you do have 🏆 here. I really hope the right people find it and give you the deals you deserve.
When people reach out to use your content be like, "hey doll! Here's my manager's email, they can send you a contract!"
Having been a hairstylist, it's so weird how the beauty industry works. It's primarily women, yet the people who get the most notoriety are cis hetero males. It's amazing how cis homosexual men who are talented as hell are being overlooked for social media partnerships.
Anyway, I hope your winter doldrums fade away and a new burst of energy comes your way.
This actually hurts my heart. You guys say what everyone is thinking. The fact these brands aren't looking at content creation innovation and personality that you bring shows how short sighted their teams still are. Know that your fan base loves adores and appreciates you and would love to see you get the work you deserve x
I’m not usually one to comment on things, but I sincerely appreciate all the content you both make. This podcast gives my wife and I so much joy on Sunday’s. We love you Johnny! Don’t let these brands bring you down!! You go queen!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
My dear, sweet Johnny and Kevin, PLEASE know that what you are doing is so very important. The trust you're building with your audience, your honesty, your authenticity is so, so, soooo needed in this space, and in the beauty sphere. I really lost my taste for beauty content over the years, because everyone was the same and they were all pushing the same things, and I could SMELL the lies coming through the screen! You two are the only beauty content gurus (?) I watch (besides the Welsh twins 😂, omg, you have to watch their recent video about bread, they are so crazy 😂).
And, hearing about how you both are treated as men in the industry broke my heart. You are professional MUAs, your gender is not important in that respect, and this is another wakeup call to remember why I fight! I'm just a middle-aged, married mom, but I use my tiny speck of space on social media EVERY DAY to fight for LGBTQIA+ equal rights and visibility. Well, honestly I'll fight for any marginalized or trodden on people, but right now, we need to get loud about the hate that's spreading against the LBGTQIA community, and the corporations that are allowing it in their spaces!!! Grrrrrr, it really upsets me. I've known so many people who've been hurt, or are not here anymore 😢, because of the hate. I can't sit idly by, ever. And to hear how it's affecting your career.....arghhh!!!!😡
You both are so appreciated, and so loved, please know that. 💜💜💜