Given the absurd amount of class division, it could be an option for riot to make a scaled down version of Path of Exile pasive tree for each class, in the sense, an ability or class tree where, depending where you are from, you start in a different part of the tree and gives you easier access to what would be more thematic to your origin, but still not limiting you out from what that class might do in other places. Would be a hella lot of work, but i mean, they have a hella lot of work to do eitherway and they already have the lore so that part is semi covered
That won't work. It'll be hell to balance. It's not like Guild Wars 2 where races have different origins. Some regions in runeterra have concurrent races. So it's better to just make it uniform and restrict some races in some regions like demacia.
Sadly Riot doesnt care and only wants money. Its a company like EA. They try but money is the main goal. It makes me sad because with this world you could do so much awesome stuff.
@@MrMajesticJack Even for riot games with the amount of money they make, making an MMO is a heavy investment. Which simply means they gotta find a way to make money.
@@MrMajesticJack dude if they want money they could've cancelled arcane. Still it's a business stop acting like not thinking about money is good even for this ip.
@@MrMajesticJack lmao who doesn't want money? without money there would be no Valorant, no Arcane, no Runeterra and no MMO. Stop acting like wanting money is inherently bad thing, especially for a huge company trying to expand. And even then, Riot isn't the greediest company out there, compared to most other big companies they are more on the player friendly side
@@pepega9867 you get me wrong. Yes they need money. But dont let that be the main priority and let everything else fall and therefore make money grabbing crap. Yes as a company you need money i get that and i understand. I do the same. But quality over quantity.
One thing worth mentioning is crafting classes! Being a Demacian crafter would be worlds apart from a Shuriman or Ionian crafter, and I think there's a unique way make each crafter feel interesting besides what kind of equipment they can make. Perhaps having each nation represent a discipline and giving crafters the ability learn parts of other disciplines, and create their own unique recipes in addition to standard equipment or item making!
I imagine they'd start with the class archetypes directly from league - marksman, assassin, juggernaut, etc and then build 'prestige' or 'subclasses' out from there. If you wanted to bring in the region pride, even better! For example, rolling a fighter would give you a core set of abilities but then you could go to Freljord to train as a berserker, Demacia to train as a knight, or Noxus to train as a legionaire. Assassins could go to Ionia to train as a ninja or Demacia to train as a mageseeker. Mages could go to ixtal to train as an elementalist, Freljord to train as a shaman, and so much more.
Maybe Riot could add hemomancer (followers of Vladimir) and blood warrior (followers of the darkin) as the ocult subclasses not making vampire/demon/darkin directly playable but tapping into similar abilities
The way I see it with the vast amount of classes I can see riot doing something similar to Maplestory. There's the 5 core classes which are warrior/mage/assassin/archer/(pirate/gunner) but if you notice maplestory has like 40+ playable classes. What they did is basically reskin one of the core classes to create a totally new class but they still maintain its core weapon.
Yes! this is what I was about to comment. I play Maple and I can say that this system works wonders. It's not even needed to "reskin" the core class, nowadays the 40+ classes Maplestory has are basically all unique on its own way, it obviously will take a very very long time to get all 40 classes up and running with all of them having it's unique playstyle, but theres absolutely no reason to release all of them AT ALL. In my honest opinion, 5-10 classes could make the game have a strong baseline, similar to what Lost Ark had at the moment of global release, and then slowly adding new classes and maybe even reworking certain parts of already existing classes, alongside expansions and new content. This is the apporach Maplestory took over the past 10 years and my god let me tell you that nowadays having 40+ classes to choose from is VERY wild and sometimes overwhelming but also VERY interesting and feels very unique. Sometimes you even have this feeling that *THAT* class was made for you.
I'm actually just about to start a Dungeons and Dragons themed adventure with my family who has never seen the world of Runeterra before and this was a life saver for which races to recommend them to play. This is perfectly timed and I thank you!
If you look online, there is a dnd 5e "book" online that has all the Runeterran races, bonuses, as well as region and class bonuses. I started a runeterra campaign also and found it very useful
@@katarinaducouteau5729 And where could I find it? I've found only Dark Tides of Bilgewater which doesn't really help with vastaya and Runearcana which stands on 5e, but balance system pretty much different. I'm running the 5e Bilgewater campain and I just "recreate" the vastaya, minotaurs(slightly) and even ironbacks (little turtles in Bilgewater)
Actually, they could go with base classes that lead to region-specific second classes. Then use future expansions to introduce more second classes. They could also do something like Dragon’s Dogma and allow for spontaneous class changes and they could introduce hybrid classes as unlockable after reaching a certain level of proficiency as two different prerequisite classes.
Something like elite specialisations from Guild Wars 2 could be cool too. For example I can imagine an elite spec for a mage and warrior class of each region with some unique skills.
This is also what I was thinking of. Start with the basic classes based on League’s already established ones, like Juggernauts, Tanks, Mages, Marksmen, Etc., then have subclasses that can be acquired from regions in the game.
How they handle the factions is something i'm interested in. I'm kind of hoping they go for more of a reputation approach and allow you to earn/lose rep based off actions you take. I kind of want them to let us all start without a faction and let us gravitate towards the one(s) we like. Balancing the rewards would be hell though. I feel like they would all have to be cosmetic. For Vastaya, i'm hoping they don't try to limit them so they have things they can add in the future. Just add them and add more options as time goes on.
If anything these classes could be subclasses of the larger, broader class, for example, you start as warrior and to become an enforcer you'd have to talk to maybe a recruiter in piltover, etc. Each class doesn't have to branch far from the main class, each subclass could each have a couple special skills and passive effects. Not necessarily an entirely new skill tree because that might be too much work for them, but having different gameplay expression for, let's say a demacian rogue and a bilgewater rogue would definitely be a step in a good direction
Exactly my thought, make unique classes into upgrade / specialization classes, from warrior then upgrade into blademaster if you go to a blademaster trainer then unlocks blademaster gears & skills.
I really hope that A: it will be set in a third person perspective instead of top down and B: they lean into the ability to roleplay like with FFXIV and ESO. Not only is it a great activity if you're into it, but it can allow the game to make money through the selling of cosmetics as well. I can tell you from first hand experience, people will throw loads of money to get a good transmog or outfit going.
I would be shocked if it's an isometric game. With all of the people they're bringing who have worked on games like WoW, GW2, WildStar, Witcher 3 and LotRO, I would say it's very likely to be in third person.
ghostcrawler has also mentioned that it will be more than just a quest grind and you can truly live and feel you are a part of runeterra, so its safe to assume there will be plenty more than just the raw gameplay
I feel like a somewhat Guild Wars 2 character creation style could work for this game. Each GW2 race has their own starting area, and within that area the choices you make during creation shape your personal story until all of the "personal" stories merge into the main storyline towards the end of the base game. No stat differences between the actual races but the class you pick changes what armor and weapons you can use, and later class specializations add weapons each class can use. Per class, each weapon gives you 5 different skills and then you can choose 5 more skills depending on what spec trees you go down. There's so much more and I'm a pretty casual GW2 player, but I love the system compared to something like WoW. The personal stories that stem from your choices during creation have several branching paths that all end up back in the same place, but you still feel like your choices mean something. I also feel like this could work well for the whole class/origin issue you mentioned. Maybe depending on your starting location and class, you get access to different weapons which each have their own skills, although that could get a bit complicated with the sheer number of potential starting locations. (all I want is to either be able to play a Lunari right from the start or a cool ass vastaya, and if Riot can pull this off I'm anticipating the best character creator to ever exist)
Also the fact that people can randomly be born with a specific kind of magic regardless of where they are from (Lux-light, Annie-fire, Rell-metal, Taliyah-Earth) they could be a cool mage class option, there's also the region incentive ones like Elemental Magic in Ixtal, Earth/Sand bending in Shurima, Electric/Wind magic in Ionia. Being a something bender due to being born with magical ability regardless of where you are from is something that makes sense in this universe. Also technically the sentinels of light are located on multiple places of Runeterra if we go by the ruination event, so sentinels can also be in Piltover and other places.
I could see the sentinel class being something you achieve through questing. It'd limit your options after choosing it, but having to work for it. More like how Vayne joined after the fight with ruined Shyvana.
An interesting idea for how classes could work is your skills being based on the type of weapon you wield rather than a set archetype like warrior/mage. It could be similar to the Souls series were weapon classes like greatsword, curved sword, axe, etc. could level up separately to your character. Character levels would let you increase your stats while weapon level would unlock more skills for that weapon type. Not sure how difficult that would be to implement or balance but it sounds like a good way to allow lots of player freedom and customization regardless of what race/region you pick!
Guild Wars 2 does something similar to this, your "basic abilities" determined by the weapon you have equipped with your more utility abilities determined by the class and specializations you chose to pick.
This is what New world did/does, it would have been awesome, if it wasnt new world. The system itself was super cool for me, but the game itself dragged it down
That just sounds like a good way to funnel specific classes into only using a certain weapon type because it does the most damage/dps and keep people from using other weapons cause like in wow when weapon skills were a thing you could get this really good axe but oh wait, your axe proficiency is 24/250 so its pretty much useless to you until you level it up, so now you just run around killing random mobs for hours just to level it up so its actually useful. I'd rather just have it be the class has the same abilities but it can use different weapons that fit that class, maybe change the animations for the abilities for such weapons at most but having a new world 2.0 situation doesn't sound good. On top of that Ghostcrawler already said they are focusing more on less customization for better balance and gameplay so I doubt they would implement that type of mechanic but I could be wrong though I doubt thats the case. Also I don't know if you're saying that what race/region is chosen to start as affects what weapons you can use but they also said that races are pretty much cosmetic only and wont effect what class you can play and such, so I doubt they would lock certain weapons if you were a yordle than a human.
no. I say that, because a lot of games do that. FF14 is basically that exactly waht you are saying. Not saying its a bad system, but... I don't think it has to be simply locked to weapons. They can simply lock it to classes, that can be swapped. I honeslty think its best, if you had to do side quests to unlock all sorts of different classes, and you can set up alt skills from those classes after you leveld them or completing their class quest. This way, you can still use what ever weapon you want, without having to be locked into a class by a weapon. I alweays hated being locked into a class or weapon. My problem with WOW and FF14. I want to use the waepon I want, with the class I want. Not have to play around the limited choice weapons of the class, or play the class the weapon is locked into.
I think it would be (kind of impractical but) really cool to make a class evolution system. Kinda like in ffxiv but more expansive. Like you can only pick from 6 basic classes when you start, but you can choose what you evolve the class into at a later point. Let's say you choose the Mage class to start. You reach a certain level or story event and you get a quest telling you to go find someone for further training. It then prompt you to go to one of multiple options, which option you choose would then determine what your class evolves into. Like if you go to Demacia as a mage you willingly get the magic sucked out of you or something, are given a special rock, and become a mageseeker, but if you to Ionia instead you become a Spirit Mage, and if you go to Piltover you become a Hextech/Chemtech Engineer.
I think a great starting point for the MMO would be Bilgewater. It makes everyone start in the same area (If you wanna play with friends), every race can be there (because its a big harbor thing) and you could go everywhere from there (because its a big harbor thing).
Piltover could just teleport you anywhere, so that makes sense too. Edit: Actually just Noxus, but Noxus is so big (and invasive) that I wouldn't be surprised if they've set up Gates in foreign territories.
Terrible idea, Simply just from the fact that having everyone in one place especially at the start would probably make the game near unplayable server/performance wise... Would be a good place for everyone to have access to like a neutral city, and have the shadow isles or whatever it's called as an event that happens every Halloween where you help fend off the dead and stuff like that.
I feel like you’re thinking too hard about classes, and it’ll be broken down how they do in league, ie: Controller, Fighter, Mage, Marksman, Slayer, Tank, and Specialist all having their own respective subclasses to cover some of the more niche stuff. Race wise I think you’re spot on, but maybe they’ll sneak in Voidborn or something, but I feel play for the void leans toward the faction based gameplay, so it’s hard to say.
u have obviously never watched a necrit video before because every video he does is long and well thought out....lul "thinking too hard", welcome to necrit
@@FriendOfLegolas controller was the rename for support, slayer was the rename for assassin, and specialist is for champions that don’t fit into any one category.
Yes! Was so happy to see this. I had no clue about League lore, but my gf sent me your last video about the world and after I watched Arcane I fell in love with the Lore of Riot's world. I was glad to see you got recognition from Asmon too and all that comes with that. Great job ^^
I quite like the "skin" idea where the regions are mostly cosmetic but could also have some stat differences and maybe one or two exclusive spells or such. The main classes could be warrior, mage and ranged. Also imagine a void expansion adding the option to make you have an additional "void touched" option as a region or as a special modifier/ region swap on an already existing character
I stand by how hilarious it is, that after all these videos and time, necrit is still so goofy and awkward on camera. Everything he says is great. All the races seem on point. The classes, good Lord the classes...
You don't have to think traditionally when it comes to classes. I wanna see them try the route of ditching classes for the most part and just making weapons and armor with totally unique attributes that define your playstyle. I'm someone who really likes when you can mess around with wacky builds. It sounds wrong, but I'm very sure most of us would still end up building an identity around our favorite builds. If you want progression, I really like what old old Spiral Knights has, where equipment is placed into tiers of power. The low tier items you start off with would be very straightforward, but as you upgrade your gear they may split off into different upgrade paths, so gearing becomes increasingly deep.
For classes, they should make it so people make their own sort of class based off several skill trees. It'll give people the chance to come up with interesting and unique hybrids.
making hybrids only make the game imbalance just like all the previous games that have hybrids classes they're dead now. maybe if they make the classes like in AdventureQuest worlds like u will start as a Norm then u can select a master to pick the class u want and just have a skill tree.
I think that classes could be done in a way with the classes used in league of legends (assassin, marksman, mage, fighter, support) and based on your origin could have subclasses with different equipment associated with them. For example say you're an assassin from Ionia, so your sub class options could be kinkou or shadow order assassins, based on what abilities and equipment your character uses.
Man i was about to say the same thing man. Seriously think this would be not only the easiest it most effective way to fit all the amazing classes into the game. Double thumbs up for you homie. 👍🏻👍🏻
@@fitmotheyap I don't think they'd have to balance that many subclasses, since they'd be separated only by equipment and abilities but still have the basic perks of that class (staying on the example, both kinds of ionian assassins would have the same base stats and base abilities, with the only difference being what they wear and the utility they provide via movement abilities [kinkou being more supportive, while shadow order being agressive]) Imo it would be the simplest way to introduce a class system, but to each their own i guess.
I think the sub class thing would be a bit too complicated and would mean that there are like 6+ different versions of assassins among other things. I think instead it would be interesting if you started as the "subclass" and you need to go to the other subclass area to become your main class. So for instance, you start as a Kinkou ninja subclass and you go to the Shadow Order subclass area to become an assassin. You could even go a bit further and allow players to mix and match kinda like how Ashes of Creation will in that say, you start as a Kinkou ninja but then you go to one of the tank subclass areas and learn that set of skills to allow you to mix them and essentially end up with something like Shen, a ninja that is a tank.
the only problem with having different subclasses depending on the origin is a bad balancing act [which given how League itself is balanced, you can see would be an issue] it would likely be easier to just have ninja as a separate class for the Ionia expansion [with Kinkou and Shadow Order sub classes]
24:30 I wanna see a cinematic of where Azir arrives alone to a battlefield in the Shuriman desert where he'd be facing an army. The commander of the army would ask him something along the lines of "You came alone to beg for the lives of your people? That's quite noble of you, but it's not going to happen." Then Azir would just summon an army of sand soldiers with a movement of his hand while replying "My will is the will of Shurima. It shall once again, stretch to the horizons." After saying this, there'd be a bird's eye view of both armies and the sand soldiers would stretch literally as far as the eye can see in every direction behind Azir. 👀😂.
@@AkumaGS Going from experience, having to chew through hundreds of enemies simply isn't fun (maybe fun once as a power trip, see Kingdom Hearts 2). This would work far *far* better as a badass cinematic as opposed to a raid encounter.
The kinkou may also be an interesting idea for a paladin class. It is shown that while they will assassinate mortals/spirits to preserve the balance, protection and prevention of conflict takes priority. As such the kinkou are able to cast magic barriers to protect themselves and others, something that a paladin class would do.
Another great video, and intentional or not I haven't been this excited for a potential release of a game in SO long. Keep up the amazing work! Hopefully in one the expansions we can play as an "undead" or "cursed" from the shadow isle
Thank you so much for making this content! I do not play League of Legends but I have played a lot of other games. Your videos help me learn about and explore this fantastical world. It guides those of us who have not played the game into the wonderous history, diverse geography and gives us a solid understanding of the inhabitants, their daily lives, lore and motivations. It also gives us a solid foundation to go into the future MMORPG so that those of us who are "new" won't feel so lost and alone. :D
It would be pretty cool if the Yordles had a somewhat similar leveling experience as Pandas in World of Warcraft, a place they get to a certain level in, and can get back to whenever they want for RP purposes etc. But only they can. Since noone knows how to get to the yorde place. They could do a "portal" to get there. It would be pretty odd to see other races in Bandle City. How are they supposed to enter buildings? lol. But im sure they could work around that aswell since it would be a pretty cool place to have as a larger zone with actual content.
I always assumed classes would be: marksmen, tank, enchanter, brawler, assassin, mage… Then each class will have branches, and you can learn signature spells from champions in game. There probably won’t be a chronomancer class, since there’s so few chronomancers, but we can do a quest line for Zilean to unlock a spell, IF we are a mage. Otherwise we unlock a weapon or armor. Or we would be granted an option between the two, but only if we’re a mage
Aw man, what you say makes sense but I do hope it won't be as cut and dry as that. Variants/subclasses within each class aligned to what necrit mentioned (i.e. assassins could branch out to Ionian shadow magic or noxian techniques) would be dope.
@@sjb_92 Hey man, you seem like a really angry person having gone out of your way to comment something negative and then offer no insight. I hope you're doing well.
@@lavacrush1234 I'm doing well, mate! There was no hint of anger in my comment, I don't think. Just a simple statement. Instead of being offended, consider that maybe you're wrong about what you said. Then consider your knowledge in the three areas I mentioned. If you realise that you're not all that experienced in any one of those areas, congrats! You found my comment insightful.
I am so surprised you never brought up SKILL TREES as a way to change up the classes. So every class could spec into different versions, like the Warriors you mentioned could have a few different skill paths or entire separate skill trees depending on what they want to become.
I can see the Ascended, Celestials, and Darkin working as high level rewards where you become one for completing certain events. Not Lore accurate gods per say, but more like a prestige class.
@@nanopix5305 I think what he meant was like a sort of achievement, like a title or something like that. Not actually providing insane stats or something.
I kinda had the though, with how you spoke about sand trolls, that they may have been kept vague and out of sight on purpose, possibly so they can be explored in the MMO, possibly as a playable race.
I could see them doing the variations of each class like you said, with some minor "origin-locked" classes, they could also try to take inspiration from wow's talent specializations or you get access to a more advanced version of the class, i.e: you start as a rogue but eventually learn techniques from the kinkou once you hit a certain level. I could see the sentinels being their own "origin" in general as a sort of expansion, kinda like how WoW did with Demon Hunters in legion, and the different weapons would be the differeny specs you could choose from (sword, gun, etc). I think riot would be able to redeem the shitshow that the ruination was with this kind of expansion, rather than just giving demacia the overall "Sentinel" title/class
Idea: have 4/5 base classes (Warrior, Rogue, Marksman, Mage…) but have each of them be different based on the players faction. You can be a warrior in the Dauntless Vanguard, then defect and become a Trifarian Legion warrior, changing your playstyle
I really hope that voidborns will someday appear in the Riot MMO as a playable race. The characters from this region have some of the most interesting and unique designs Riot has ever created.
@@Vizible21 I thought about that but characters like kaisa exists. Her void suit seems to be not controlled by whatchers, and kaisa herself fighting void with its help so I guess riot can just give us the acces to the race after some storyline in game
All classes could be unlocked further into the game, like LV ups. Archer --> Scout --> Marksman General / Scout General ... same with others. I really enjoy games were you can enhance the initial class, and choose your own upgrades.
@@captainobvious8037 the good thing about this system is that you can always add more upgrades in future expansions. If its well implemented, it should not be that complex.
@@kairo8155 The most important thing about it is the variety of classes the system automatically comes with. Diversity is important, but i trust em witht that. The combat system will decide the games faith.
There could always be "main" classes that you could eventually take a quest in certain regions to evolve into a specialization. That way, you don't overcomplicate the starting classes and keep the exclusivity to a region. Like a Warrior or Gunslinger that can specialize as a Sentinel of Light in Demacia.
I love your idea of flavoring the same classes into different region specific variants and think the guild wars style of elite specializations is a good reference. For maybe the early levels you learn basic skills that everyone in that class can keep, but as they progress in levels and regions players earn skill points by gaining favor from said region. They can then use those points in skill treed for that region specific "subclass" (vanguard, beserker, blademaster, etc) that way by the time the entire game comes out you don't need five different warrior classes but you can have one warrior spec into all the different types. Obviously for balance purposes they can only use one tree at a time. This will allow people to also have their own micro communities based on their overall classes as well as their favorite variants. The playstyles are varied and unique but also require the player to work for them in a satisfying way as they complete each regions story mode. A lot of players love having a single character they invest everything into but aesthetic players like me will likely buy extra character slots so they can specifically have a combo they like. I would love to have a vastayan shadow ninja (in this example let's flavor it as the general rouge class) eventually they can grind piltover points to use the skills of a warden sniper or lunari assassin but it since wouldn't feel accurate I'd probably want an extra character(s) for it
I think there's a lot to be learned from ESO's class system. Your actual "class" or "build" is made up of several components. The 3 subclasses of your main class, the weapons you wield, your armour, your race, your allegiance with specific guilds. So you can have two different players both select the "dragonknight" class, and end up not having a single common ability between their builds at the end of the day. I think Riot's MMO could do something similar. Where you first demonstrated the massive differences in martial classes between regions, my first thought was that you could have some basic "fighter" tree that is shared across the board no matter what. With a few abilities like "charge" etc. And then every class would *also* get a region specific tree for their class. As well as being able to choose a subclass that could be related to their region as well. So in total your class would be made up of 3 parts. 1. Archetype - across all regions. 2. Class - region specific 3. Subclass - potentially region specific, including some overlap. Then, like ESO, you could unlock and equipt different skills and passives to create your "build". And from that point, you could probably just pull your archetypes from League's own class system with marksmen, fighters, mages, tanks, enchanters, etc.
That Yuumi fly by! You never fail to deliver in intellect, lore, or humor! I am so looking forward to this MMO but more so on your next take on what us plebe's can actually hope for alongside you, even if such devices never make it into the game you still manage to make it fun just to fantasize on what could be! If the Dev's and Writers are given the chance over corporate greed and cashing in at the fandom's expense, they will have created the stuff of legends!
We definitely NEED a Voidborn class. Or at least one class tied to the void. I would be such a waste not to have one, since Bel'veth has already shown that voidbornes can go rogue, and defy the watchers ideals
And how would you justify pretty much every other race not killing them. Friendly reminder: They seek to consume anything and everything for the sake of nothingness. Despite Bel'Veth going rogue, she, at the end, want's to consume everything and rebuild it so she can stay alive. Kha'Zix consumes anything to evolve for the sake of becoming the ultimate predator. Vel'Koz disintegrates anything for the sake of knowledge. I can't see them being playable since they are portrayed as the enemy of all reality, programmed to annihilate everything. I can only imagine them introducing unique NPCs for the sake of story or, if anything, introduce some kind of a "void tainted" human class like Kassadin, Kai'Sa or Malzahar. Humans with otherworldly purplish looking powers.
Factions could work like Everquest, where you start Dubious or Kill on Sight with a faction, but can raise it through quests and killing mobs. Each character can become good faction with any faction.
I think it could be really cool if you break down each 'class' into what makes it the way it is, and possibly work on a subclass system. For example, if you chose two base classes and combined them, you would end up with some of the classes mentioned here. Someone who chose two of the same class, such as double assassin could well become a shadow assassin from ionia, a warrior who then chose a mage could become an ionian bladedancer, a mage who chose warlock/demonology as a second class could become a hemomancer, while a double warlock could become a void prophet, etc etc. Theres a lot to iron out as to how different areas could affect this, but it could be a cool idea to allow more options while still keeping a unique identity, without being crazily impossible to make all 50 or so different classes individually.
Interesting to know that regions in this world are already mixed as I really like the idea of different starting regions based by race like in WOW classic
Originally I listed like 4 different ideas for how the classes could work in this game but ultimately - I just want Riot to do something unique and creative with their MMO that will feel right within the world they've created. And if that meant having to start in a specific region to be able to play a class (for example having to start in Demacia to play a Mageseeker) that's fine by me.
I kind of hope they simply don't do specific classes. I'd much prefer a more open approach to character creation, by basing each character on the archetypes from LoL - or something. Tanks, bruisers, support, ranged and melee dps would be perfect to define the base classes. Then choose magic or physical damage - ideally there would be a lot of characters that are hybrids, too. Then further refine it by choosing a regional specialization and a weapon specialization. Boom! Now you have your character! So, a character would be a magic tank from Ionia who fights unarmed and BANG! You have a mini-Udyr! Original version, not whatever garbage they've done to him recently. Physical bruiser from Mt. Hyjal with spear and shield and you have a Mantheon type character. The hard part will be making each choice significant and somewhat balanced.
@@SouthernGuy5423 not a bad idea actually. but i still want faction pride to play somewhat of a role and that kind of works . if we are able to start anywhere based on origin that will still kill the lore for me.
@@SouthernGuy5423 I think they could have most or all classes available to all regions/starting zones, but then have only certain subclasses available to certain regions. Or for the cases of being a mage in Demacia the starting area/quest could be breaking out of prison and escaping.
@@FineSugarSwine Sure, where did I say otherwise? A warrior in the Ionian style could have grown up and trained there and then moved to Demacia - or their teacher could have, or w/e. Its a label for the style of combat. Demacian warriors are traditionally like medieval knights, while Ionians are more like Japanese samurai... and so on. On the other hand, I don't think that convenience absolutely has to trump everything else. RP reasoning is important, as well. I wouldn't be horribly upset if you had to start in a certain area or complete a big quest in order to gain access to certain types of abilities.
Well. If you have time (no hardware required), you can play as a space pilot from 10 000 year in the future, when space will be like liquid. That's called "Eve Online".
The Yordles' immortality is something very interesting to me. While it certainly is implied they're just magic energy that dissipates if they 'die', Gwen's cards in LoR all feature ghosts in a big celebration, and among them there are two characters (one in Ghastly Band and another card-less yordle) who appear to be among the crowd. So it seems like they /can/ somehow die, or at the very least become ghosts.
Since weapons are such a unique part of the LOL fantasy, I'd love to see unique weapon customization and unique weapon powers/ interactions. I think it would be funny if you were playing as a Vastaya and for some reason you were using a petricite weapon, somehow, you would take damage over time while it was equipped or suffer a debuff that reduced your speed or cut your magic power in half.
Ya know petricite stuffs are literally just magic battery right? They don't dispel magic, they absorb it. Rather than a debuff, it could work as an extra reserve of mana
@@Vizible21 But those leeches can't suck forever, can they? The walls and buildings of Demacia are SATURATED with magic because they have been absorbing it for hundreds of years with out actually expending it. That's one of the reason why Sylas was so powerful in the comic
All classes start the same but specialize later on depending on the region noxus well focus on aggressive attacking frejlord will focus on defensive and lasting in combat etc
Why do you even think it will have classes? Maybe it's "your class is defined by your gear", or maybe there are only a few archetypes that have 30 abilities, but you can only choose 8 abilities at a time, or maybe it's the same as GW2. There's no reason to discuss classes when we know absolutely nothing about the actual game. There's are so many different mmorpgs with so many different kinds of customisation and progression... We have no idea which direction they will go. I pray it's going to have class and combat of Tera or Lost Ark, but it might have some awful tab-targeting system with 20 year old class design that has limited options because of "lore".
@@dankmemes8254 they also have a lot of devs who worked on WoW. I won't even be surprised if it's going to be a mobile mmo. It has such a great potential, but it also has a great potential to be generic or worse. The world of mmorpgs is filled with mediocre garbage, there are only a few games that are fun to play and grind.
Darkin and Ascended might be an end game playable thing, where you join one of the factions and fight each other in some sort of battleground. Could be a temporary thing, where the time mages transport the players back in time to take part in the huge battle between the Shrimans and the Darkin army. Personally, I think it would be best if the battleground location for that would be dynamic though, so players aren't just playing the same thing over and over.
Maybe it will be the ultimate class upgrades or something. You know like you reach the max lv then prestige into the ultimate classes too Lore powerful to be basic.
I think that having different visuals for the same abilities might not be something that Riot wants to do. I mean, Riot has time and time again shown and talked about how important visual clarity is. But then again, there are skins that alter the appearance of abilities so who knows. Maybe they'll do it to some lesser extent, where the ability is still clearly recognizable despite the change of appearance
as far as classes go i think the best (albeit ambitious) way to go about classes is have the core 4, Rogue/Assassin Tank, Warrior and Support and have your race also determine your subclass cause it's gonna be really weird if we have Frejlordians running around with Sentinel guns or Zaunites trying to shoot a bow and arrow
For classes, my mind goes to OG City of Heroes. They had classes but building the class was unique because you could determine what flavor of that class you wanted from using fire, ice, psionics, or guns as a long range “Blaster”. Or what kind of close range fighting style/weapon you used as a “Scrapper”.
My MMO experience is around 5 hours of WoW (2 of which was downloading and installing it), so I'm not entirely sure how classes work. But here's how I hope they will. You can't pick your classes. Insead you're given a *massive* skill tree which *grows* when you complete certain quests. The skills you pick from said skill tree change your class dynamically and *locks* certain skills that would be incompatible with your class. So for example you could see a player that has "Frostguard Swordmaster" next to their name who wouldn't be able to learn sand magic but can still learn some arcane spells. And another example, if you've gone too deep the "Demacian Knight" route, all magic skills are locked but you gain access to more advanced/epic tehcniques as well as heavily increased magic resistance.
This sounds like a really cool idea for a single player RPG but not so much for an MMO. As they are going for the Holy Trinity and will have dungeons / raids in the game it just doesn't work. You could make a very fun, creative build but if it doesn't have the DPS/HPS/or Threat/Mitigation then you are putting a performance tax on everyone you group up with. By which I mean everyone else needs to perform to accommodate for having lower dps / hps / mitigation in the group. You can get around this by either: 1. Homogenizing all the options such that you end up around the same power level. This would kill a lot of the neat flavor and customizability while being a balance nightmare. 2. Making the content so trivial that any build is able to do it. This just makes the game boring and faceroll for everyone. Creativity and Customization in MMOs is less "Pick the tools you want to bring to the fight" and more "Here are the tools for your class. Find creative ways to use them to defeat encounters"
@@athieshgaming2659 no fuck the holy trinity its overused and I am done with it. Kill it entirely. Everyone has their own tank, healing, damage stats based on how they skill themselves up and pick their armour. You decide how you want to play the game not a class premade for you. So done with it its time an mmo reinvents the wheel
I always disliked how class systems in MMOs feel extremely limited regardless of how vast or varied they might be around the world with all the different cultures, weaponry, schools of magic and power sources. Although, it does seem inevitable given how these games are designed make it hard to give true freedom when creating characters. However, I do think there's probably a neat solution for maximum choice and immersion. Here's what I can come up with: -Weapons have their own attacks and is separate from any magic stuff. Riot can add as much and as varied as they want (Flintlock pistols, hextech pistols, regular swords, magic swords, knives, chakrams, spears, etc.) -Magic and some skills are, rather than being a permanent choice on a character and we suspend our disbelief that one school of magic encompasses any nuances of other cultures/religions/power sources, we instead get separate skill trees for different disciplines or schools of magic (Specific Ionian nature magic, Piltover artificing, Zaun engineering, Zaun bio enhancements, Yordle engineering, Ionian fighting styles, Targonian Fighting style, various god-based powers, etc.) (This gets rid of shit like a player playing a Night Elf Priest having to delude themselves into believing that their character is using Elune's moon magic rather than the obvious Light magic the skills all clearly show) -Players can choose to specialize on only one power source or maybe a mix of a few (while only being able to master one) to perfectly tailor their character to what they want. Kinda like what Archeage did but with more flavor from the lore -This gives Riot the easier task of just creating new disciplines/schools of magic/skill trees and NEVER get into the issue of classes going outdated or having to do a lot of mental gymnastics to justify why a guy from Zaun and Piltover use the same skills and tech styles or why a player character modeling themselves after Leona has to use a Lux/Lucian/Brand modeled class to get some of that character fantasy. -Players could get these skill trees from various characters and cultures around the world. Maybe even some special trees like Wuju from Yi or some void based stuff from Kai'sa or something like that. Weapons could also factor in this way like Kassadin's void blade thingy, Lucian's and Senna's light guns (in the same style of, definitely not getting lore weapons) -The world of Runeterra (and almost every MMO) has a LOT of different ways of fighting or using magic, and the further we can diversify these traits, the more immersive the world will be for players. Guild Wars 2 kinda does this with their Elite Specializations and weapon skills, but I think there is another step to take for maximum immersion and player freedom.
I think you should also include the voidborn, and kassadin and kaisa. The voidborn are completely different from everyone else, even other voidborn, kaisa has a void creature fused with her, and kassadin can use void energy
i would love riot's MMO class to be based like the anime Overlord. you can choose your base class (etc warrior) and through leveling you can add skillpoints into sub class/weapons/magic or whatever you wish to learn. And so every warrior in the game is completely unique. you will have brawler warriors, mage warriors, necromancer warriors, tank warrior and so on.
I want the Vastaya race to have the option for specific Vastaya like the bat guy from Arcane. I just want to be bat man. As for all the different kinds of warriors and mages and things, they could always make a archetype class and then you could specialize in a specific type of warrior and mage. Like a skill tree.
I really hope they'll have automatons as a playable race, although I doubt it since robot races are rather unpopular in most games, even if they exist. If they're going to be in the game it will probably be when/if there's a major extension around Piltover and Zaun.
My ideas for the Races: It would be awesome to have some kind of questline, where you could ascend or become a darkin later on in the game. The issue with helmets and or boots can be overcome by either disabling the visuals for certain races or make special gear for them. I personally would love it, if there would be some kind of monster-like character to be played in the mmo. With the shurima expansion they could introduce the fusion race of people who merged with the void. Instead of leveling only your class you may evolve your race with some cool extra gimmicks. My ideas for the Classes: Imagine Riot's MMO has no typical classes. Instead of playing out classes like in normal MMO's, in Runeterra you get to choose a Path to follow. The Path determines which kind of skills you can learn and which Path specialized quest you can get, but you won't skill into your path normally. You will learn skills and abilities through your actions. Wanting to be a paladin? Work in demacia and follow the Aspect of Justice. Learn different Swordstyles? Go to each country and learn from the locals. You don't determine who you are only through your classname and your level, but through the path you walked to become who you wanted to be. Given that you could technically learn everything in the World of Runeterra with this system, you could limit the access to the skills by your Path or by a restricion to the number of skills that can be used at a time. One big pro of this method would be, that you can implement any kind of ability and identity that is possible in the game, but the con is that it would be harder to balance, since min-maxing is a lot easier with this method.
Darkin lore just doesn't make sense as a playable characters. THey are meant to be the bad guy. And their power also make doing contents really weird. Like why do i lose to this tiny void monsters when i am a freaking darkin. It just doesn't feel right
Darkin would be late game character, which you can only obtain through either an darkin item (probably the highest rarity) or through ascending and then corrupting, which would be also lategame (probably level 80-90 out of 100). At that point of the game most void monsters (and maybe playable characters) would've probably gone through 4 or 5 adaptations to the world and thus be extremly powerful. And even other races could at that point become aspects or ascend, master a World Rune or make a pact with a celestial being and thus gain the ability to hold on against a darkin. Of course it would be hard to balance to give the special experience, but i don't think it is impossible to make
@@Diagala19 There's a lots of problem with this. First, darkin is special because they are rare. Seeing them running around just shattered that whole point. 2nd, they are too powerful, regardless of how high lv you are. You are still expected to play mortal like characters. Such godlike entities just doesn't make for a good comprehensive story. Unless you severely nerf them, which threw away the whole point of darkin being unstoppable. Furthermore, darkin are the weapons. Which also mean that on a lore standpoint, you shouldn't swap your weapons around which defeat the purpose of an RPG
I just want to play as a Noxian cultist and try finding more lore and events surrounding Mordekaiser. Like if a player can influence or like speed things up by finding things or certain quest that triggers the kind of raid boss event where Morde tries to surface into the living realm, and we have to fight of a far more deadlier undead, like in the ruination event but that all kind of more on Lore perspective.
Mordekaiser will DEFINITELY be a raid boss and as he's my favorite character I'm so excited to think about it. The Immortal Bastion where he is sealed is simply asking to be a dungeon where we would definitely encounter some awesome enemy's and the big man himself
With the races, I agree till a point... they can do it like a subrace thing where you must complete some quest/dungeons or hidden caves randomly spawn on the map by the player choice to have different build and look ofcourse at some lvl thing stage(like touch by the void, robotic, celestial, sun disk, primal god/or three sister, black mist, demons/spirit blessings) ... and about the classes from my view is no classes ... you can achieve a class by putting points in different stats with different subclasses unlocked my quest and items( like in wow was with experience on using weapons) or something like frequency of using a skil (if I use like ice shard 15times in a fight and one time rock spike to go in posibily to evolve ice shard in ice ball/arrow with a high difference in damage and casting time) and where the you have the different classes of mages or magic users. With all that you can use all the different orders of the factions(light sentinels, lunari, god warriors, different ionians schools etc). I don’t know how hard is that to be done, but will be nice like that.
It feels like most optimal way to create their classes would be something similar to Grim Dawn's build system. You choose a primary class and you get an option to add additional spells/perks from other class. In Riot case you could choose a primary class like "mage" and within it decide your primary and secondary subclass - for example "Arcane mage + Spirit mage". Or they could just copy ESO class system where classes actually can be built into anything you want. Mainly it depends on what weapon/staff you wield and what armour you wear. Of course some classes are better then others in specific roles but in ESO you can be a pretty good healer on "typical assassin class".
@@iwatchstuffs7933 funny thing is im not that much into ARPG's, but i remember enjoying the skill/talent tree in grim dawn as one of the strongest game aspects
Riot is one of the few major game Devs that I actually have faith in making a great game, I was a bit cautious when it came to Valorant and the ruined king but they did amazing with both games especially considering riot have never done a game in those genres
I legit can't wait for this mmo man i hope riot doesn't fuck it up and just blows everyones mind in more ways than one. Btw i didn't know you had a son, congratulations!
I don’t think classes should be restricted to regions necessarily mainly because riot could make most classes fit in most regions. For example, monks are most common in Ionia, but I could also see monks in Shurima as well as Targon (solari and lunari respectively). However at the same time it would be cool if each region had at least one unique class to make them stand out
I feel like instead of factions they could have backgrounds. Having your character be from Noxus or Ionia or Shurima, but you aren't bound to a specific faction that divides the playerbase. And you can still start playing the game in any starting area, even if you're not from there. Plus, they could even make the backgrounds cause class restrictions. If you want to be a Pirate, you've got to be from Bilgewater; witches from Noxus; Mystic or Ninja from Ionia; Shamans from Freljord; Inventors from Piltover and Zaun. And for the more generic classes like Warrior or Sharpshooter, they could have a specialization system where your background affects what you can become. Paladins with sword and shield would only be able to be from Demacia or Targon; Berzerkers from Noxus or Freljord; Blademasters from Ionia. Archers from Freljord, Snipers from Piltover, dual-wield pistols from Bilgewater. Heck, there could even be a class for fighting on a mount (like Rell, Sejuani, Nunu, and Kled). But then they could have a way to "sign up" for a region to fight on behalf of and to call your home, even if it's a different region than your background. And of course there's the races. Humans are everywhere of course, but others are more restrictive. Dragons are from Demacia. Ascended are from Shurima. Aspects are from Targon. Yordles are from Ionia, Bilgewater, and Bandle City. Specific Vastya are only in certain places. Predatory ones like Rengar being from Ixtal, water based ones like Nami being from Bilgewater, more human-looking ones like Sett and Ahri being from Ionia, etc. Heck, they could even let people play as demons (like Evelyn and Elise) or even Ruined spirits or people (like Kalista or Yorick) from the Shadow Isles.
Make each champion have a playable class follower(the players character). Each start region different depending on which champ they choose to follow for their class. At the start, only use a certain number of Champs, like 10-20. Release a new class along with a new champ to train under for each expansion. This would lock certain classes into their corresponding lore region as well as limit which race they pick depending on the races that exist in the region(region based, not faction based). After you follow the champion to learn your abilities, you either get separated from them or leave them after the starting zone. Then you can explore runetera with whatever class you want to play as while having champion pride based on league of legends. Which is what will make this game really take off. Because everyone loves their fav champ. (Diana here I come!)
what could be good about classes in the new riot mmo, is that we could have like "basic" classes at the beginning, and then the more we get into the game the more our classes can evolve letting us a choice on where we want to go: like, u start as a simple warrior, u start with an axe, or a huge sword or a katana etc etc depending on wich skills or maybe wich regions or maybe something else, ur class will elvolve into a new class, like if u start as a warrior that is based on fast attack and that u elvolve into the region of the Ionians, u could evolve into a blademaster! the other thing about this, is that (i'm not sure if its a good idea but u know) maybe we could also have legendary classes, a class that is very hard to get, but can be real worth like being a vuju blademaster or else.
This topic is always my favorite when it comes to MMOs. Thank you for giving us this great outline of what could be! I'd have a really hard time choosing a main class though lmao
The issue of classes could probably be addressed in a cool way if they do something like Archeage, where your class is made up of a combination of specialty trees you choose as you level. Would help with the massive list of possibilities they have to work with, I think.
I think they could have very broad classes (e.g mages) then the weapon you wield would specialise in a specific combat scenario to mimic the subclasses (a weapon with high burst, or a weapon with long range attacks). This way every weapon you find can be unique and you could also combine equipment to make interesting strategies.
I hate that so much, no offense intended. I really hate that your weapon changes your class and are therefore class-specific. I much prefer being a mage but still being allowed to wield a sword or a mace.
I think the class could work the way it does in a game I play, Maplestory. You would all start as "warrior" for instance, and you could level up to evolve your class into idk "Ionian Blademaster"
I think some of the class options you’d dismissed as too powerful could be prestige or advanced classes. Things you switch to later on in the game. This could also be a really good balance between classes being origin exclusive or not. You can start as a generic warrior anywhere but your advanced class depends on your origin. Although personally I’d prefer it if any class was available from anywhere, but to keep the story intact and to incentivize you to actually stick to the normal combos, there could be some lengthy or difficult quest I’d you were learning skills from outside your origin, and there could be specific enemy factions who can’t. So a blade master or warrior from Ionia can automatically become a wuju blade master at higher levels, someone from a neutral region would have to earn the trust of the Wuju experts through some tough quest, and Noxius warriors could be the only ones who can’t even get the quest to unlock Wuju.
I’m curious about the certain expansions we could get with the MMO. I’m hoping we get an expansion similar to Wrath of the Lich King, but for Mordekaiser as a raid boss.
I find it interesting that the Void was never once brought up, we know there are plenty of varied "tribes" in the Void ranging from super powerful and intelligent beings like Kha'zix, Cho'Gath and Bel'Veth to more simplistic and primal versions like Rek'sai and her Xer'sai. There are also characters like Kassadin and Kai'sa who have been to the Void and come out, as well as characters like Malzahar who have not been to the void but knows what lurks there and wishes to bring it forth. Where the Void representation/arguements lol.
Imo, Riot could go with a massive amount of classes, classified depending on where they're from. They could have 8 different warriors, and make all warriors share a playstyle and abilities for the most part, but give each of them a unique set of 3-4 habilities and gimmicks to show how they're different from every other region. Same with every class really. We're gonna see this game release in 2026 or later so I'd be willing to wait if we end up seeing stuff like that.
Raids and PVP the more classes the harder it gets to balance the game. Once people know what classes are the strongest people will only take those classes for raids meaning that all that work that riot puts in for classes will be worthless
@@omeddragon Riot can just rebalance and shift the meta continuously like they do with league. it'll be fine. -there will always be a META, and there will always be metagamers. all you can do is shift the meta.
Given the absurd amount of class division, it could be an option for riot to make a scaled down version of Path of Exile pasive tree for each class, in the sense, an ability or class tree where, depending where you are from, you start in a different part of the tree and gives you easier access to what would be more thematic to your origin, but still not limiting you out from what that class might do in other places. Would be a hella lot of work, but i mean, they have a hella lot of work to do eitherway and they already have the lore so that part is semi covered
I actually love this idea so much. It fits the world where anyone can do anything if they really want to!
There was an mmo that kind of did this already, it didn't quite work out but having you pick like, multiple specializations could be cool too.
that would ne a really cool feature
@@DiviNazuphus do you remember what it was called?
That won't work. It'll be hell to balance. It's not like Guild Wars 2 where races have different origins. Some regions in runeterra have concurrent races. So it's better to just make it uniform and restrict some races in some regions like demacia.
We all know:
1.- Necrit is working with Riot to make the MMO
or
2.- The ppl in Riot watches Necrit to make the Lore/Races for the MMO
Sadly Riot doesnt care and only wants money. Its a company like EA. They try but money is the main goal.
It makes me sad because with this world you could do so much awesome stuff.
@@MrMajesticJack Even for riot games with the amount of money they make, making an MMO is a heavy investment. Which simply means they gotta find a way to make money.
@@MrMajesticJack dude if they want money they could've cancelled arcane. Still it's a business stop acting like not thinking about money is good even for this ip.
@@MrMajesticJack lmao who doesn't want money? without money there would be no Valorant, no Arcane, no Runeterra and no MMO. Stop acting like wanting money is inherently bad thing, especially for a huge company trying to expand. And even then, Riot isn't the greediest company out there, compared to most other big companies they are more on the player friendly side
@@pepega9867 you get me wrong. Yes they need money. But dont let that be the main priority and let everything else fall and therefore make money grabbing crap.
Yes as a company you need money i get that and i understand. I do the same. But quality over quantity.
One thing worth mentioning is crafting classes! Being a Demacian crafter would be worlds apart from a Shuriman or Ionian crafter, and I think there's a unique way make each crafter feel interesting besides what kind of equipment they can make. Perhaps having each nation represent a discipline and giving crafters the ability learn parts of other disciplines, and create their own unique recipes in addition to standard equipment or item making!
I imagine they'd start with the class archetypes directly from league - marksman, assassin, juggernaut, etc and then build 'prestige' or 'subclasses' out from there. If you wanted to bring in the region pride, even better! For example, rolling a fighter would give you a core set of abilities but then you could go to Freljord to train as a berserker, Demacia to train as a knight, or Noxus to train as a legionaire. Assassins could go to Ionia to train as a ninja or Demacia to train as a mageseeker. Mages could go to ixtal to train as an elementalist, Freljord to train as a shaman, and so much more.
Maybe Riot could add hemomancer (followers of Vladimir) and blood warrior (followers of the darkin) as the ocult subclasses not making vampire/demon/darkin directly playable but tapping into similar abilities
that´s actually a good idea!
Maplestory style
I would like for them to allow us to ally with champions in game, I would kill to be one of Rengars hunters or hang out with Zac XD
@@decidueyezealot8611 that would also be nice
LOVE these speculation videos. So fun to think about actually walking around and exploring this world
Yes, inhaling massive amounts of Copium about us getting PVE is definitely good for this man. He should keep it up.
@@Lunethia surely it won’t turn into a crypto simulator
@@Lunethia wdym?
It's annoying tbh. He's not even saying outright that these are all speculative, which makes me cringe more.
These gets me so hype for the game
The way I see it with the vast amount of classes I can see riot doing something similar to Maplestory. There's the 5 core classes which are warrior/mage/assassin/archer/(pirate/gunner) but if you notice maplestory has like 40+ playable classes. What they did is basically reskin one of the core classes to create a totally new class but they still maintain its core weapon.
Yes! this is what I was about to comment. I play Maple and I can say that this system works wonders. It's not even needed to "reskin" the core class, nowadays the 40+ classes Maplestory has are basically all unique on its own way, it obviously will take a very very long time to get all 40 classes up and running with all of them having it's unique playstyle, but theres absolutely no reason to release all of them AT ALL. In my honest opinion, 5-10 classes could make the game have a strong baseline, similar to what Lost Ark had at the moment of global release, and then slowly adding new classes and maybe even reworking certain parts of already existing classes, alongside expansions and new content. This is the apporach Maplestory took over the past 10 years and my god let me tell you that nowadays having 40+ classes to choose from is VERY wild and sometimes overwhelming but also VERY interesting and feels very unique. Sometimes you even have this feeling that *THAT* class was made for you.
I'm actually just about to start a Dungeons and Dragons themed adventure with my family who has never seen the world of Runeterra before and this was a life saver for which races to recommend them to play. This is perfectly timed and I thank you!
Did they have fun
If you look online, there is a dnd 5e "book" online that has all the Runeterran races, bonuses, as well as region and class bonuses. I started a runeterra campaign also and found it very useful
oh wow, if you're planning to do a campaign online... would love to join in
Teach me how to dungeon master
@@katarinaducouteau5729 And where could I find it? I've found only Dark Tides of Bilgewater which doesn't really help with vastaya and Runearcana which stands on 5e, but balance system pretty much different. I'm running the 5e Bilgewater campain and I just "recreate" the vastaya, minotaurs(slightly) and even ironbacks (little turtles in Bilgewater)
Actually, they could go with base classes that lead to region-specific second classes. Then use future expansions to introduce more second classes. They could also do something like Dragon’s Dogma and allow for spontaneous class changes and they could introduce hybrid classes as unlockable after reaching a certain level of proficiency as two different prerequisite classes.
I would love if they introduce multi classing like in dnd
Something like elite specialisations from Guild Wars 2 could be cool too. For example I can imagine an elite spec for a mage and warrior class of each region with some unique skills.
This is also what I was thinking of. Start with the basic classes based on League’s already established ones, like Juggernauts, Tanks, Mages, Marksmen, Etc., then have subclasses that can be acquired from regions in the game.
maybe if you die with an item you could become like mordekaiser
@@rimurutempest4945 Eh? Tank sound silly as a MMO's class. It's mostly refer to as a role more than a class
How they handle the factions is something i'm interested in. I'm kind of hoping they go for more of a reputation approach and allow you to earn/lose rep based off actions you take. I kind of want them to let us all start without a faction and let us gravitate towards the one(s) we like. Balancing the rewards would be hell though. I feel like they would all have to be cosmetic.
For Vastaya, i'm hoping they don't try to limit them so they have things they can add in the future. Just add them and add more options as time goes on.
If anything these classes could be subclasses of the larger, broader class, for example, you start as warrior and to become an enforcer you'd have to talk to maybe a recruiter in piltover, etc. Each class doesn't have to branch far from the main class, each subclass could each have a couple special skills and passive effects. Not necessarily an entirely new skill tree because that might be too much work for them, but having different gameplay expression for, let's say a demacian rogue and a bilgewater rogue would definitely be a step in a good direction
Love this idea!
Id love to be a Brawler type, and learn from Ionia how to delve into the Dragon punches and martial arts. Great ideas.
Exactly my thought, make unique classes into upgrade / specialization classes, from warrior then upgrade into blademaster if you go to a blademaster trainer then unlocks blademaster gears & skills.
@@togodragon Or, a brawler type, but you sub class into shaman in Freijlord
That's not how mmorpgs work.
I really hope that A: it will be set in a third person perspective instead of top down and B: they lean into the ability to roleplay like with FFXIV and ESO. Not only is it a great activity if you're into it, but it can allow the game to make money through the selling of cosmetics as well. I can tell you from first hand experience, people will throw loads of money to get a good transmog or outfit going.
I would be shocked if it's an isometric game. With all of the people they're bringing who have worked on games like WoW, GW2, WildStar, Witcher 3 and LotRO, I would say it's very likely to be in third person.
it will be third person
And i hope they dont scale down the world, if the graphic is anything like their artwork, i want it to be huge
They confirmed a 3rd person perspective.
ghostcrawler has also mentioned that it will be more than just a quest grind and you can truly live and feel you are a part of runeterra, so its safe to assume there will be plenty more than just the raw gameplay
I feel like a somewhat Guild Wars 2 character creation style could work for this game. Each GW2 race has their own starting area, and within that area the choices you make during creation shape your personal story until all of the "personal" stories merge into the main storyline towards the end of the base game. No stat differences between the actual races but the class you pick changes what armor and weapons you can use, and later class specializations add weapons each class can use. Per class, each weapon gives you 5 different skills and then you can choose 5 more skills depending on what spec trees you go down. There's so much more and I'm a pretty casual GW2 player, but I love the system compared to something like WoW. The personal stories that stem from your choices during creation have several branching paths that all end up back in the same place, but you still feel like your choices mean something. I also feel like this could work well for the whole class/origin issue you mentioned. Maybe depending on your starting location and class, you get access to different weapons which each have their own skills, although that could get a bit complicated with the sheer number of potential starting locations. (all I want is to either be able to play a Lunari right from the start or a cool ass vastaya, and if Riot can pull this off I'm anticipating the best character creator to ever exist)
Also the fact that people can randomly be born with a specific kind of magic regardless of where they are from (Lux-light, Annie-fire, Rell-metal, Taliyah-Earth) they could be a cool mage class option, there's also the region incentive ones like Elemental Magic in Ixtal, Earth/Sand bending in Shurima, Electric/Wind magic in Ionia. Being a something bender due to being born with magical ability regardless of where you are from is something that makes sense in this universe. Also technically the sentinels of light are located on multiple places of Runeterra if we go by the ruination event, so sentinels can also be in Piltover and other places.
I could see the sentinel class being something you achieve through questing. It'd limit your options after choosing it, but having to work for it. More like how Vayne joined after the fight with ruined Shyvana.
An interesting idea for how classes could work is your skills being based on the type of weapon you wield rather than a set archetype like warrior/mage. It could be similar to the Souls series were weapon classes like greatsword, curved sword, axe, etc. could level up separately to your character. Character levels would let you increase your stats while weapon level would unlock more skills for that weapon type. Not sure how difficult that would be to implement or balance but it sounds like a good way to allow lots of player freedom and customization regardless of what race/region you pick!
Guild Wars 2 does something similar to this, your "basic abilities" determined by the weapon you have equipped with your more utility abilities determined by the class and specializations you chose to pick.
This is what New world did/does, it would have been awesome, if it wasnt new world. The system itself was super cool for me, but the game itself dragged it down
That just sounds like a good way to funnel specific classes into only using a certain weapon type because it does the most damage/dps and keep people from using other weapons cause like in wow when weapon skills were a thing you could get this really good axe but oh wait, your axe proficiency is 24/250 so its pretty much useless to you until you level it up, so now you just run around killing random mobs for hours just to level it up so its actually useful. I'd rather just have it be the class has the same abilities but it can use different weapons that fit that class, maybe change the animations for the abilities for such weapons at most but having a new world 2.0 situation doesn't sound good. On top of that Ghostcrawler already said they are focusing more on less customization for better balance and gameplay so I doubt they would implement that type of mechanic but I could be wrong though I doubt thats the case. Also I don't know if you're saying that what race/region is chosen to start as affects what weapons you can use but they also said that races are pretty much cosmetic only and wont effect what class you can play and such, so I doubt they would lock certain weapons if you were a yordle than a human.
Fancy seeing you here. hehe
no.
I say that, because a lot of games do that. FF14 is basically that exactly waht you are saying. Not saying its a bad system, but... I don't think it has to be simply locked to weapons. They can simply lock it to classes, that can be swapped. I honeslty think its best, if you had to do side quests to unlock all sorts of different classes, and you can set up alt skills from those classes after you leveld them or completing their class quest. This way, you can still use what ever weapon you want, without having to be locked into a class by a weapon.
I alweays hated being locked into a class or weapon. My problem with WOW and FF14. I want to use the waepon I want, with the class I want. Not have to play around the limited choice weapons of the class, or play the class the weapon is locked into.
I think it would be (kind of impractical but) really cool to make a class evolution system. Kinda like in ffxiv but more expansive. Like you can only pick from 6 basic classes when you start, but you can choose what you evolve the class into at a later point.
Let's say you choose the Mage class to start. You reach a certain level or story event and you get a quest telling you to go find someone for further training. It then prompt you to go to one of multiple options, which option you choose would then determine what your class evolves into. Like if you go to Demacia as a mage you willingly get the magic sucked out of you or something, are given a special rock, and become a mageseeker, but if you to Ionia instead you become a Spirit Mage, and if you go to Piltover you become a Hextech/Chemtech Engineer.
this sounds dope, but people are gonna mid-max this
@@srissy9739 never been a problem in lots of korean mmos
I just want to play an Ionian Blademaster. They do that and they own me for life.
I think a great starting point for the MMO would be Bilgewater.
It makes everyone start in the same area (If you wanna play with friends), every race can be there (because its a big harbor thing) and you could go everywhere from there (because its a big harbor thing).
Piltover could just teleport you anywhere, so that makes sense too.
Edit: Actually just Noxus, but Noxus is so big (and invasive) that I wouldn't be surprised if they've set up Gates in foreign territories.
I wanna be Piltover's Finest!
I feel like bilgewater will either be a trade city or a future expansion
Terrible idea, Simply just from the fact that having everyone in one place especially at the start would probably make the game near unplayable server/performance wise... Would be a good place for everyone to have access to like a neutral city, and have the shadow isles or whatever it's called as an event that happens every Halloween where you help fend off the dead and stuff like that.
for me its ionia i just loves ninjas 😁
I feel like you’re thinking too hard about classes, and it’ll be broken down how they do in league, ie: Controller, Fighter, Mage, Marksman, Slayer, Tank, and Specialist all having their own respective subclasses to cover some of the more niche stuff. Race wise I think you’re spot on, but maybe they’ll sneak in Voidborn or something, but I feel play for the void leans toward the faction based gameplay, so it’s hard to say.
u have obviously never watched a necrit video before because every video he does is long and well thought out....lul "thinking too hard", welcome to necrit
Do you mean Assassin, Fighter, Mage, Marksman, Tank and Support?
@@ACE112ACE112 I mean what I said, as I literally listed the classes listed in the league client.
@@josephbrown9336 Guess we have different clients? Cause i swear i have never seen or heard of controller, slayer or specialist role in league
@@FriendOfLegolas controller was the rename for support, slayer was the rename for assassin, and specialist is for champions that don’t fit into any one category.
Loving the MMO content. Keep it up!!
Yes! Was so happy to see this. I had no clue about League lore, but my gf sent me your last video about the world and after I watched Arcane I fell in love with the Lore of Riot's world. I was glad to see you got recognition from Asmon too and all that comes with that. Great job ^^
I quite like the "skin" idea where the regions are mostly cosmetic but could also have some stat differences and maybe one or two exclusive spells or such.
The main classes could be warrior, mage and ranged.
Also imagine a void expansion adding the option to make you have an additional "void touched" option as a region or as a special modifier/ region swap on an already existing character
Super excited for the runeterra universe to expand into multimedia projects. The future is indeed bright.
I stand by how hilarious it is, that after all these videos and time, necrit is still so goofy and awkward on camera. Everything he says is great. All the races seem on point. The classes, good Lord the classes...
You don't have to think traditionally when it comes to classes. I wanna see them try the route of ditching classes for the most part and just making weapons and armor with totally unique attributes that define your playstyle. I'm someone who really likes when you can mess around with wacky builds. It sounds wrong, but I'm very sure most of us would still end up building an identity around our favorite builds.
If you want progression, I really like what old old Spiral Knights has, where equipment is placed into tiers of power. The low tier items you start off with would be very straightforward, but as you upgrade your gear they may split off into different upgrade paths, so gearing becomes increasingly deep.
Take the Guild Wars route, the New World systems are boring repetitive and shit, Guild Wars is much more interesting combat
Kinda like Albion
Necrits on a roll. Hope he can keep it up for the 6 years until the mmo is out
i actually agreed when asmon said he thinks it’ll be done in 2-3 years. talking about a game 6 years before release usually leads to it’s downfall
@@TheHornetX True lol, FF7R is the exception that I'd say though
That last MMO vid got crazy views and attention from MMO fans. My man Necrit getting that bag. Hope this one pops off too.
For classes, they should make it so people make their own sort of class based off several skill trees. It'll give people the chance to come up with interesting and unique hybrids.
the problem with this systems is the balancing and there will be a "hardcore" meta asap.
making hybrids only make the game imbalance just like all the previous games that have hybrids classes they're dead now. maybe if they make the classes like in AdventureQuest worlds like u will start as a Norm then u can select a master to pick the class u want and just have a skill tree.
I think that classes could be done in a way with the classes used in league of legends (assassin, marksman, mage, fighter, support) and based on your origin could have subclasses with different equipment associated with them. For example say you're an assassin from Ionia, so your sub class options could be kinkou or shadow order assassins, based on what abilities and equipment your character uses.
Man i was about to say the same thing man. Seriously think this would be not only the easiest it most effective way to fit all the amazing classes into the game. Double thumbs up for you homie. 👍🏻👍🏻
Too complicated, they'd have to make too many subclasses and we'll have balance issues like in LoL
@@fitmotheyap I don't think they'd have to balance that many subclasses, since they'd be separated only by equipment and abilities but still have the basic perks of that class (staying on the example, both kinds of ionian assassins would have the same base stats and base abilities, with the only difference being what they wear and the utility they provide via movement abilities [kinkou being more supportive, while shadow order being agressive])
Imo it would be the simplest way to introduce a class system, but to each their own i guess.
I think the sub class thing would be a bit too complicated and would mean that there are like 6+ different versions of assassins among other things. I think instead it would be interesting if you started as the "subclass" and you need to go to the other subclass area to become your main class. So for instance, you start as a Kinkou ninja subclass and you go to the Shadow Order subclass area to become an assassin.
You could even go a bit further and allow players to mix and match kinda like how Ashes of Creation will in that say, you start as a Kinkou ninja but then you go to one of the tank subclass areas and learn that set of skills to allow you to mix them and essentially end up with something like Shen, a ninja that is a tank.
the only problem with having different subclasses depending on the origin is a bad balancing act [which given how League itself is balanced, you can see would be an issue]
it would likely be easier to just have ninja as a separate class for the Ionia expansion [with Kinkou and Shadow Order sub classes]
24:30 I wanna see a cinematic of where Azir arrives alone to a battlefield in the Shuriman desert where he'd be facing an army. The commander of the army would ask him something along the lines of "You came alone to beg for the lives of your people? That's quite noble of you, but it's not going to happen." Then Azir would just summon an army of sand soldiers with a movement of his hand while replying "My will is the will of Shurima. It shall once again, stretch to the horizons." After saying this, there'd be a bird's eye view of both armies and the sand soldiers would stretch literally as far as the eye can see in every direction behind Azir. 👀😂.
Would be a super cool raid event, only issue i see is performance issues for low end systems for having to render so many players and Sand NPCs
@@AkumaGS Going from experience, having to chew through hundreds of enemies simply isn't fun (maybe fun once as a power trip, see Kingdom Hearts 2). This would work far *far* better as a badass cinematic as opposed to a raid encounter.
@@webbowser8834 I mean, a raid that is for an event, like the star guardians game mode in LoL a few years ago, so something that just happens once
Perhaps Shurima was meant to fall.
That would be a cool cinematic
The kinkou may also be an interesting idea for a paladin class. It is shown that while they will assassinate mortals/spirits to preserve the balance, protection and prevention of conflict takes priority. As such the kinkou are able to cast magic barriers to protect themselves and others, something that a paladin class would do.
I feel like Voidcreatures and Demons should be discussed among Races even if there is no way they'll be playable.
Maybe void-touched humanoids?
@@nova_supreme8390 Kai’Sa!
@@nova_supreme8390 yes they could put void summmoners void marksment, void warriors
But I want to be Kog'Maw! q.-.q
Darkins would probably be a special class or something and your skill would depend on the darkin weapon you choose
Another great video, and intentional or not I haven't been this excited for a potential release of a game in SO long. Keep up the amazing work! Hopefully in one the expansions we can play as an "undead" or "cursed" from the shadow isle
Playable Stirred Spirits would be hilarious.
Thank you so much for making this content! I do not play League of Legends but I have played a lot of other games. Your videos help me learn about and explore this fantastical world. It guides those of us who have not played the game into the wonderous history, diverse geography and gives us a solid understanding of the inhabitants, their daily lives, lore and motivations. It also gives us a solid foundation to go into the future MMORPG so that those of us who are "new" won't feel so lost and alone. :D
It would be pretty cool if the Yordles had a somewhat similar leveling experience as Pandas in World of Warcraft, a place they get to a certain level in, and can get back to whenever they want for RP purposes etc. But only they can. Since noone knows how to get to the yorde place. They could do a "portal" to get there. It would be pretty odd to see other races in Bandle City. How are they supposed to enter buildings? lol. But im sure they could work around that aswell since it would be a pretty cool place to have as a larger zone with actual content.
I always assumed classes would be: marksmen, tank, enchanter, brawler, assassin, mage… Then each class will have branches, and you can learn signature spells from champions in game. There probably won’t be a chronomancer class, since there’s so few chronomancers, but we can do a quest line for Zilean to unlock a spell, IF we are a mage. Otherwise we unlock a weapon or armor. Or we would be granted an option between the two, but only if we’re a mage
Aw man, what you say makes sense but I do hope it won't be as cut and dry as that. Variants/subclasses within each class aligned to what necrit mentioned (i.e. assassins could branch out to Ionian shadow magic or noxian techniques) would be dope.
An assumption that suggests little understanding of game design, MMOs, and League.
yes my thought exactly
@@sjb_92 Hey man, you seem like a really angry person having gone out of your way to comment something negative and then offer no insight. I hope you're doing well.
@@lavacrush1234 I'm doing well, mate! There was no hint of anger in my comment, I don't think. Just a simple statement.
Instead of being offended, consider that maybe you're wrong about what you said. Then consider your knowledge in the three areas I mentioned. If you realise that you're not all that experienced in any one of those areas, congrats! You found my comment insightful.
I am so surprised you never brought up SKILL TREES as a way to change up the classes. So every class could spec into different versions, like the Warriors you mentioned could have a few different skill paths or entire separate skill trees depending on what they want to become.
I can see the Ascended, Celestials, and Darkin working as high level rewards where you become one for completing certain events. Not Lore accurate gods per say, but more like a prestige class.
doubt it tbh, It's kinda like having WoW players be Titans or Old Gods.
really hope not, MMOs have to stop making players super powerful beings, we cant all be gods or the ultimate heroes, etc...
nah, they're much more suited to be raid bosses or perhaps even quest giver npcs.
that would be really broken tho. like imagine lore accurate ascended and celestials in league
@@nanopix5305 I think what he meant was like a sort of achievement, like a title or something like that. Not actually providing insane stats or something.
Amazingly interesting video! Absolutely loving these series!
I kinda had the though, with how you spoke about sand trolls, that they may have been kept vague and out of sight on purpose, possibly so they can be explored in the MMO, possibly as a playable race.
necrit is going to have a field day when the MMO comes out. endless amount of content and no time to do anything else
I could see them doing the variations of each class like you said, with some minor "origin-locked" classes, they could also try to take inspiration from wow's talent specializations or you get access to a more advanced version of the class, i.e: you start as a rogue but eventually learn techniques from the kinkou once you hit a certain level. I could see the sentinels being their own "origin" in general as a sort of expansion, kinda like how WoW did with Demon Hunters in legion, and the different weapons would be the differeny specs you could choose from (sword, gun, etc). I think riot would be able to redeem the shitshow that the ruination was with this kind of expansion, rather than just giving demacia the overall "Sentinel" title/class
Idea: have 4/5 base classes (Warrior, Rogue, Marksman, Mage…) but have each of them be different based on the players faction. You can be a warrior in the Dauntless Vanguard, then defect and become a Trifarian Legion warrior, changing your playstyle
I really hope that voidborns will someday appear in the Riot MMO as a playable race. The characters from this region have some of the most interesting and unique designs Riot has ever created.
that would be really hard to customize tho as they can look like anything
Void is definitely going to be the enemy no doubt.
@@sleepyheartss Yeah that’s the issue.
@@Vizible21 I thought about that but characters like kaisa exists. Her void suit seems to be not controlled by whatchers, and kaisa herself fighting void with its help so I guess riot can just give us the acces to the race after some storyline in game
@@glgrmm Yah but people don't want to be a sexy model in a skin tight suit
At least some people playing void champs
All classes could be unlocked further into the game, like LV ups. Archer --> Scout --> Marksman General / Scout General ... same with others. I really enjoy games were you can enhance the initial class, and choose your own upgrades.
Yep, that has always been a good system. A bit complex though
@@captainobvious8037 the good thing about this system is that you can always add more upgrades in future expansions. If its well implemented, it should not be that complex.
@@kairo8155 The most important thing about it is the variety of classes the system automatically comes with. Diversity is important, but i trust em witht that. The combat system will decide the games faith.
30:05 good sir, as father myself of a 2 year old son, I cannot deny that your plan is brilliant.
There could always be "main" classes that you could eventually take a quest in certain regions to evolve into a specialization. That way, you don't overcomplicate the starting classes and keep the exclusivity to a region. Like a Warrior or Gunslinger that can specialize as a Sentinel of Light in Demacia.
I love your idea of flavoring the same classes into different region specific variants and think the guild wars style of elite specializations is a good reference. For maybe the early levels you learn basic skills that everyone in that class can keep, but as they progress in levels and regions players earn skill points by gaining favor from said region. They can then use those points in skill treed for that region specific "subclass" (vanguard, beserker, blademaster, etc) that way by the time the entire game comes out you don't need five different warrior classes but you can have one warrior spec into all the different types. Obviously for balance purposes they can only use one tree at a time.
This will allow people to also have their own micro communities based on their overall classes as well as their favorite variants. The playstyles are varied and unique but also require the player to work for them in a satisfying way as they complete each regions story mode.
A lot of players love having a single character they invest everything into but aesthetic players like me will likely buy extra character slots so they can specifically have a combo they like. I would love to have a vastayan shadow ninja (in this example let's flavor it as the general rouge class) eventually they can grind piltover points to use the skills of a warden sniper or lunari assassin but it since wouldn't feel accurate I'd probably want an extra character(s) for it
6:34 Not exactly animals, they were Vastayashai'rei like Neeko.
I think there's a lot to be learned from ESO's class system. Your actual "class" or "build" is made up of several components. The 3 subclasses of your main class, the weapons you wield, your armour, your race, your allegiance with specific guilds.
So you can have two different players both select the "dragonknight" class, and end up not having a single common ability between their builds at the end of the day.
I think Riot's MMO could do something similar. Where you first demonstrated the massive differences in martial classes between regions, my first thought was that you could have some basic "fighter" tree that is shared across the board no matter what. With a few abilities like "charge" etc. And then every class would *also* get a region specific tree for their class. As well as being able to choose a subclass that could be related to their region as well.
So in total your class would be made up of 3 parts.
1. Archetype - across all regions.
2. Class - region specific
3. Subclass - potentially region specific, including some overlap.
Then, like ESO, you could unlock and equipt different skills and passives to create your "build".
And from that point, you could probably just pull your archetypes from League's own class system with marksmen, fighters, mages, tanks, enchanters, etc.
Really like this idea ^^
That Yuumi fly by! You never fail to deliver in intellect, lore, or humor! I am so looking forward to this MMO but more so on your next take on what us plebe's can actually hope for alongside you, even if such devices never make it into the game you still manage to make it fun just to fantasize on what could be! If the Dev's and Writers are given the chance over corporate greed and cashing in at the fandom's expense, they will have created the stuff of legends!
We definitely NEED a Voidborn class. Or at least one class tied to the void. I would be such a waste not to have one, since Bel'veth has already shown that voidbornes can go rogue, and defy the watchers ideals
And how would you justify pretty much every other race not killing them. Friendly reminder: They seek to consume anything and everything for the sake of nothingness. Despite Bel'Veth going rogue, she, at the end, want's to consume everything and rebuild it so she can stay alive. Kha'Zix consumes anything to evolve for the sake of becoming the ultimate predator. Vel'Koz disintegrates anything for the sake of knowledge.
I can't see them being playable since they are portrayed as the enemy of all reality, programmed to annihilate everything.
I can only imagine them introducing unique NPCs for the sake of story or, if anything, introduce some kind of a "void tainted" human class like Kassadin, Kai'Sa or Malzahar. Humans with otherworldly purplish looking powers.
Factions could work like Everquest, where you start Dubious or Kill on Sight with a faction, but can raise it through quests and killing mobs. Each character can become good faction with any faction.
I think it could be really cool if you break down each 'class' into what makes it the way it is, and possibly work on a subclass system. For example, if you chose two base classes and combined them, you would end up with some of the classes mentioned here. Someone who chose two of the same class, such as double assassin could well become a shadow assassin from ionia, a warrior who then chose a mage could become an ionian bladedancer, a mage who chose warlock/demonology as a second class could become a hemomancer, while a double warlock could become a void prophet, etc etc. Theres a lot to iron out as to how different areas could affect this, but it could be a cool idea to allow more options while still keeping a unique identity, without being crazily impossible to make all 50 or so different classes individually.
Interesting to know that regions in this world are already mixed as I really like the idea of different starting regions based by race like in WOW classic
Originally I listed like 4 different ideas for how the classes could work in this game but ultimately - I just want Riot to do something unique and creative with their MMO that will feel right within the world they've created. And if that meant having to start in a specific region to be able to play a class (for example having to start in Demacia to play a Mageseeker) that's fine by me.
I kind of hope they simply don't do specific classes. I'd much prefer a more open approach to character creation, by basing each character on the archetypes from LoL - or something.
Tanks, bruisers, support, ranged and melee dps would be perfect to define the base classes. Then choose magic or physical damage - ideally there would be a lot of characters that are hybrids, too. Then further refine it by choosing a regional specialization and a weapon specialization. Boom! Now you have your character!
So, a character would be a magic tank from Ionia who fights unarmed and BANG! You have a mini-Udyr! Original version, not whatever garbage they've done to him recently.
Physical bruiser from Mt. Hyjal with spear and shield and you have a Mantheon type character.
The hard part will be making each choice significant and somewhat balanced.
@@SouthernGuy5423 not a bad idea actually. but i still want faction pride to play somewhat of a role and that kind of works . if we are able to start anywhere based on origin that will still kill the lore for me.
@@SouthernGuy5423 I think they could have most or all classes available to all regions/starting zones, but then have only certain subclasses available to certain regions. Or for the cases of being a mage in Demacia the starting area/quest could be breaking out of prison and escaping.
@@FineSugarSwine Sure, where did I say otherwise? A warrior in the Ionian style could have grown up and trained there and then moved to Demacia - or their teacher could have, or w/e. Its a label for the style of combat. Demacian warriors are traditionally like medieval knights, while Ionians are more like Japanese samurai... and so on.
On the other hand, I don't think that convenience absolutely has to trump everything else. RP reasoning is important, as well. I wouldn't be horribly upset if you had to start in a certain area or complete a big quest in order to gain access to certain types of abilities.
Never said you said otherwise my dude. Like the rest of us I'm just here to talk and nerd out. Just saying what I think would be cool and would work.
i hope i will have the time, and hardware necessary to play this/finally get into a big mmo. especially for a world that i absolutely love
Well. If you have time (no hardware required), you can play as a space pilot from 10 000 year in the future, when space will be like liquid. That's called "Eve Online".
The Yordles' immortality is something very interesting to me. While it certainly is implied they're just magic energy that dissipates if they 'die', Gwen's cards in LoR all feature ghosts in a big celebration, and among them there are two characters (one in Ghastly Band and another card-less yordle) who appear to be among the crowd. So it seems like they /can/ somehow die, or at the very least become ghosts.
Since weapons are such a unique part of the LOL fantasy, I'd love to see unique weapon customization and unique weapon powers/ interactions. I think it would be funny if you were playing as a Vastaya and for some reason you were using a petricite weapon, somehow, you would take damage over time while it was equipped or suffer a debuff that reduced your speed or cut your magic power in half.
Ya know petricite stuffs are literally just magic battery right? They don't dispel magic, they absorb it. Rather than a debuff, it could work as an extra reserve of mana
@@zachsroomYT it would be a debuff for others. But could you even draw out magic from petricide? I thought it only goes in and doesnt goes out.
@@biowbe4522 well sylas's whole thing is drawing magic from petricite, I'm pretty sure some mage seekers use it as a way to bounce spells aswell
@@zachsroomYT walking with a petrecite weapon in your bag as a vastaya is like walking on a pond while leeches is sucking your blood up your veins.
@@Vizible21 But those leeches can't suck forever, can they? The walls and buildings of Demacia are SATURATED with magic because they have been absorbing it for hundreds of years with out actually expending it. That's one of the reason why Sylas was so powerful in the comic
A few classes with multiple subclasses would work tremendously well in my opinion
All classes start the same but specialize later on depending on the region noxus well focus on aggressive attacking frejlord will focus on defensive and lasting in combat etc
Why do you even think it will have classes? Maybe it's "your class is defined by your gear", or maybe there are only a few archetypes that have 30 abilities, but you can only choose 8 abilities at a time, or maybe it's the same as GW2. There's no reason to discuss classes when we know absolutely nothing about the actual game. There's are so many different mmorpgs with so many different kinds of customisation and progression... We have no idea which direction they will go. I pray it's going to have class and combat of Tera or Lost Ark, but it might have some awful tab-targeting system with 20 year old class design that has limited options because of "lore".
@@helgenlane i am sure it won't be a tab target system becuse they were hiring a hack and slash combat devs on one of thier tweets
@@dankmemes8254 they also have a lot of devs who worked on WoW. I won't even be surprised if it's going to be a mobile mmo. It has such a great potential, but it also has a great potential to be generic or worse. The world of mmorpgs is filled with mediocre garbage, there are only a few games that are fun to play and grind.
Darkin and Ascended might be an end game playable thing, where you join one of the factions and fight each other in some sort of battleground. Could be a temporary thing, where the time mages transport the players back in time to take part in the huge battle between the Shrimans and the Darkin army. Personally, I think it would be best if the battleground location for that would be dynamic though, so players aren't just playing the same thing over and over.
Maybe it will be the ultimate class upgrades or something. You know like you reach the max lv then prestige into the ultimate classes too Lore powerful to be basic.
I think that having different visuals for the same abilities might not be something that Riot wants to do. I mean, Riot has time and time again shown and talked about how important visual clarity is.
But then again, there are skins that alter the appearance of abilities so who knows. Maybe they'll do it to some lesser extent, where the ability is still clearly recognizable despite the change of appearance
as far as classes go i think the best (albeit ambitious) way to go about classes is have the core 4, Rogue/Assassin Tank, Warrior and Support and have your race also determine your subclass cause it's gonna be really weird if we have Frejlordians running around with Sentinel guns or Zaunites trying to shoot a bow and arrow
I have race locked stuff
For classes, my mind goes to OG City of Heroes. They had classes but building the class was unique because you could determine what flavor of that class you wanted from using fire, ice, psionics, or guns as a long range “Blaster”. Or what kind of close range fighting style/weapon you used as a “Scrapper”.
My MMO experience is around 5 hours of WoW (2 of which was downloading and installing it), so I'm not entirely sure how classes work. But here's how I hope they will.
You can't pick your classes. Insead you're given a *massive* skill tree which *grows* when you complete certain quests. The skills you pick from said skill tree change your class dynamically and *locks* certain skills that would be incompatible with your class. So for example you could see a player that has "Frostguard Swordmaster" next to their name who wouldn't be able to learn sand magic but can still learn some arcane spells.
And another example, if you've gone too deep the "Demacian Knight" route, all magic skills are locked but you gain access to more advanced/epic tehcniques as well as heavily increased magic resistance.
This sounds like a really cool idea for a single player RPG but not so much for an MMO.
As they are going for the Holy Trinity and will have dungeons / raids in the game it just doesn't work. You could make a very fun, creative build but if it doesn't have the DPS/HPS/or Threat/Mitigation then you are putting a performance tax on everyone you group up with.
By which I mean everyone else needs to perform to accommodate for having lower dps / hps / mitigation in the group.
You can get around this by either:
1. Homogenizing all the options such that you end up around the same power level. This would kill a lot of the neat flavor and customizability while being a balance nightmare.
2. Making the content so trivial that any build is able to do it. This just makes the game boring and faceroll for everyone.
Creativity and Customization in MMOs is less "Pick the tools you want to bring to the fight" and more "Here are the tools for your class. Find creative ways to use them to defeat encounters"
@@athieshgaming2659 no fuck the holy trinity its overused and I am done with it. Kill it entirely. Everyone has their own tank, healing, damage stats based on how they skill themselves up and pick their armour. You decide how you want to play the game not a class premade for you. So done with it its time an mmo reinvents the wheel
I always disliked how class systems in MMOs feel extremely limited regardless of how vast or varied they might be around the world with all the different cultures, weaponry, schools of magic and power sources. Although, it does seem inevitable given how these games are designed make it hard to give true freedom when creating characters. However, I do think there's probably a neat solution for maximum choice and immersion. Here's what I can come up with:
-Weapons have their own attacks and is separate from any magic stuff. Riot can add as much and as varied as they want (Flintlock pistols, hextech pistols, regular swords, magic swords, knives, chakrams, spears, etc.)
-Magic and some skills are, rather than being a permanent choice on a character and we suspend our disbelief that one school of magic encompasses any nuances of other cultures/religions/power sources, we instead get separate skill trees for different disciplines or schools of magic (Specific Ionian nature magic, Piltover artificing, Zaun engineering, Zaun bio enhancements, Yordle engineering, Ionian fighting styles, Targonian Fighting style, various god-based powers, etc.) (This gets rid of shit like a player playing a Night Elf Priest having to delude themselves into believing that their character is using Elune's moon magic rather than the obvious Light magic the skills all clearly show)
-Players can choose to specialize on only one power source or maybe a mix of a few (while only being able to master one) to perfectly tailor their character to what they want. Kinda like what Archeage did but with more flavor from the lore
-This gives Riot the easier task of just creating new disciplines/schools of magic/skill trees and NEVER get into the issue of classes going outdated or having to do a lot of mental gymnastics to justify why a guy from Zaun and Piltover use the same skills and tech styles or why a player character modeling themselves after Leona has to use a Lux/Lucian/Brand modeled class to get some of that character fantasy.
-Players could get these skill trees from various characters and cultures around the world. Maybe even some special trees like Wuju from Yi or some void based stuff from Kai'sa or something like that. Weapons could also factor in this way like Kassadin's void blade thingy, Lucian's and Senna's light guns (in the same style of, definitely not getting lore weapons)
-The world of Runeterra (and almost every MMO) has a LOT of different ways of fighting or using magic, and the further we can diversify these traits, the more immersive the world will be for players. Guild Wars 2 kinda does this with their Elite Specializations and weapon skills, but I think there is another step to take for maximum immersion and player freedom.
I came up with an extremely similar idea. Love this idea!
This kinda reminds me of how Rift does its class system but better.
I think you should also include the voidborn, and kassadin and kaisa. The voidborn are completely different from everyone else, even other voidborn, kaisa has a void creature fused with her, and kassadin can use void energy
i would love riot's MMO class to be based like the anime Overlord. you can choose your base class (etc warrior) and through leveling you can add skillpoints into sub class/weapons/magic or whatever you wish to learn. And so every warrior in the game is completely unique.
you will have brawler warriors, mage warriors, necromancer warriors, tank warrior and so on.
I want the Vastaya race to have the option for specific Vastaya like the bat guy from Arcane. I just want to be bat man.
As for all the different kinds of warriors and mages and things, they could always make a archetype class and then you could specialize in a specific type of warrior and mage. Like a skill tree.
Faction based isn't an instant fail- you just need 3 factions.
I really hope they'll have automatons as a playable race, although I doubt it since robot races are rather unpopular in most games, even if they exist. If they're going to be in the game it will probably be when/if there's a major extension around Piltover and Zaun.
I hope that the MMO will be diverse in body types customization. I really want to play as an Buff Woman like mommy Illaoi.
personally my favorite region is unsurprisingly piltover and Zaun. was my favorite before Arcane and it is still very much my favorite after.
My ideas for the Races:
It would be awesome to have some kind of questline, where you could ascend or become a darkin later on in the game.
The issue with helmets and or boots can be overcome by either disabling the visuals for certain races or make special gear for them.
I personally would love it, if there would be some kind of monster-like character to be played in the mmo. With the shurima expansion they could introduce the fusion race of people who merged with the void. Instead of leveling only your class you may evolve your race with some cool extra gimmicks.
My ideas for the Classes:
Imagine Riot's MMO has no typical classes. Instead of playing out classes like in normal MMO's, in Runeterra you get to choose a Path to follow. The Path determines which kind of skills you can learn and which Path specialized quest you can get, but you won't skill into your path normally. You will learn skills and abilities through your actions. Wanting to be a paladin? Work in demacia and follow the Aspect of Justice. Learn different Swordstyles? Go to each country and learn from the locals. You don't determine who you are only through your classname and your level, but through the path you walked to become who you wanted to be.
Given that you could technically learn everything in the World of Runeterra with this system, you could limit the access to the skills by your Path or by a restricion to the number of skills that can be used at a time.
One big pro of this method would be, that you can implement any kind of ability and identity that is possible in the game, but the con is that it would be harder to balance, since min-maxing is a lot easier with this method.
Darkin lore just doesn't make sense as a playable characters. THey are meant to be the bad guy. And their power also make doing contents really weird. Like why do i lose to this tiny void monsters when i am a freaking darkin. It just doesn't feel right
Darkin would be late game character, which you can only obtain through either an darkin item (probably the highest rarity) or through ascending and then corrupting, which would be also lategame (probably level 80-90 out of 100).
At that point of the game most void monsters (and maybe playable characters) would've probably gone through 4 or 5 adaptations to the world and thus be extremly powerful.
And even other races could at that point become aspects or ascend, master a World Rune or make a pact with a celestial being and thus gain the ability to hold on against a darkin.
Of course it would be hard to balance to give the special experience, but i don't think it is impossible to make
@@Diagala19 There's a lots of problem with this. First, darkin is special because they are rare. Seeing them running around just shattered that whole point. 2nd, they are too powerful, regardless of how high lv you are. You are still expected to play mortal like characters. Such godlike entities just doesn't make for a good comprehensive story. Unless you severely nerf them, which threw away the whole point of darkin being unstoppable. Furthermore, darkin are the weapons. Which also mean that on a lore standpoint, you shouldn't swap your weapons around which defeat the purpose of an RPG
I just want to play as a Noxian cultist and try finding more lore and events surrounding Mordekaiser. Like if a player can influence or like speed things up by finding things or certain quest that triggers the kind of raid boss event where Morde tries to surface into the living realm, and we have to fight of a far more deadlier undead, like in the ruination event but that all kind of more on Lore perspective.
Mordekaiser will DEFINITELY be a raid boss and as he's my favorite character I'm so excited to think about it. The Immortal Bastion where he is sealed is simply asking to be a dungeon where we would definitely encounter some awesome enemy's and the big man himself
With the races, I agree till a point... they can do it like a subrace thing where you must complete some quest/dungeons or hidden caves randomly spawn on the map by the player choice to have different build and look ofcourse at some lvl thing stage(like touch by the void, robotic, celestial, sun disk, primal god/or three sister, black mist, demons/spirit blessings) ... and about the classes from my view is no classes ... you can achieve a class by putting points in different stats with different subclasses unlocked my quest and items( like in wow was with experience on using weapons) or something like frequency of using a skil (if I use like ice shard 15times in a fight and one time rock spike to go in posibily to evolve ice shard in ice ball/arrow with a high difference in damage and casting time) and where the you have the different classes of mages or magic users. With all that you can use all the different orders of the factions(light sentinels, lunari, god warriors, different ionians schools etc). I don’t know how hard is that to be done, but will be nice like that.
It feels like most optimal way to create their classes would be something similar to Grim Dawn's build system. You choose a primary class and you get an option to add additional spells/perks from other class. In Riot case you could choose a primary class like "mage" and within it decide your primary and secondary subclass - for example "Arcane mage + Spirit mage".
Or they could just copy ESO class system where classes actually can be built into anything you want. Mainly it depends on what weapon/staff you wield and what armour you wear. Of course some classes are better then others in specific roles but in ESO you can be a pretty good healer on "typical assassin class".
Ey another grim dawn enjoyer
@@iwatchstuffs7933 funny thing is im not that much into ARPG's, but i remember enjoying the skill/talent tree in grim dawn as one of the strongest game aspects
@@wudookid the only thing hindering my enjoyment of Grimdawn is my pc
The game probably wont be live until 6 more years but im already so freakin hyped! These videos aren't helping... but please continue 😳
i am just happy we have something to live for
They might be relesing it in 2024 so im super hyper i hope they use unreal engine 5
what if instead of choosing a single class, you get to mix, as in sett's case for example, this would make the possibilities practically unlimited.
Pls rito don’t let this game suck. Please. This can be so, so, so cool.
Riot is one of the few major game Devs that I actually have faith in making a great game, I was a bit cautious when it came to Valorant and the ruined king but they did amazing with both games especially considering riot have never done a game in those genres
I legit can't wait for this mmo man i hope riot doesn't fuck it up and just blows everyones mind in more ways than one.
Btw i didn't know you had a son, congratulations!
love how you offer amazing insight into what an MMO and also what an RPG is supposed to be like.
I don’t think classes should be restricted to regions necessarily mainly because riot could make most classes fit in most regions. For example, monks are most common in Ionia, but I could also see monks in Shurima as well as Targon (solari and lunari respectively). However at the same time it would be cool if each region had at least one unique class to make them stand out
OooooOOoooOooo this is gonna be exciting
gods i love how you break everything down to digestible info. great content as always
I feel like instead of factions they could have backgrounds. Having your character be from Noxus or Ionia or Shurima, but you aren't bound to a specific faction that divides the playerbase. And you can still start playing the game in any starting area, even if you're not from there.
Plus, they could even make the backgrounds cause class restrictions. If you want to be a Pirate, you've got to be from Bilgewater; witches from Noxus; Mystic or Ninja from Ionia; Shamans from Freljord; Inventors from Piltover and Zaun.
And for the more generic classes like Warrior or Sharpshooter, they could have a specialization system where your background affects what you can become. Paladins with sword and shield would only be able to be from Demacia or Targon; Berzerkers from Noxus or Freljord; Blademasters from Ionia. Archers from Freljord, Snipers from Piltover, dual-wield pistols from Bilgewater. Heck, there could even be a class for fighting on a mount (like Rell, Sejuani, Nunu, and Kled).
But then they could have a way to "sign up" for a region to fight on behalf of and to call your home, even if it's a different region than your background.
And of course there's the races. Humans are everywhere of course, but others are more restrictive. Dragons are from Demacia. Ascended are from Shurima. Aspects are from Targon. Yordles are from Ionia, Bilgewater, and Bandle City. Specific Vastya are only in certain places. Predatory ones like Rengar being from Ixtal, water based ones like Nami being from Bilgewater, more human-looking ones like Sett and Ahri being from Ionia, etc. Heck, they could even let people play as demons (like Evelyn and Elise) or even Ruined spirits or people (like Kalista or Yorick) from the Shadow Isles.
Cant wait for this game honestly!
Imagine you can be what you play in LoL e.g Tank, Assassin, Enchanter etc.
Make each champion have a playable class follower(the players character). Each start region different depending on which champ they choose to follow for their class. At the start, only use a certain number of Champs, like 10-20. Release a new class along with a new champ to train under for each expansion.
This would lock certain classes into their corresponding lore region as well as limit which race they pick depending on the races that exist in the region(region based, not faction based).
After you follow the champion to learn your abilities, you either get separated from them or leave them after the starting zone. Then you can explore runetera with whatever class you want to play as while having champion pride based on league of legends. Which is what will make this game really take off. Because everyone loves their fav champ. (Diana here I come!)
what could be good about classes in the new riot mmo, is that we could have like "basic" classes at the beginning, and then the more we get into the game the more our classes can evolve letting us a choice on where we want to go: like, u start as a simple warrior, u start with an axe, or a huge sword or a katana etc etc depending on wich skills or maybe wich regions or maybe something else, ur class will elvolve into a new class, like if u start as a warrior that is based on fast attack and that u elvolve into the region of the Ionians, u could evolve into a blademaster! the other thing about this, is that (i'm not sure if its a good idea but u know) maybe we could also have legendary classes, a class that is very hard to get, but can be real worth like being a vuju blademaster or else.
This topic is always my favorite when it comes to MMOs. Thank you for giving us this great outline of what could be! I'd have a really hard time choosing a main class though lmao
The issue of classes could probably be addressed in a cool way if they do something like Archeage, where your class is made up of a combination of specialty trees you choose as you level. Would help with the massive list of possibilities they have to work with, I think.
I think they could have very broad classes (e.g mages) then the weapon you wield would specialise in a specific combat scenario to mimic the subclasses (a weapon with high burst, or a weapon with long range attacks). This way every weapon you find can be unique and you could also combine equipment to make interesting strategies.
I hate that so much, no offense intended. I really hate that your weapon changes your class and are therefore class-specific. I much prefer being a mage but still being allowed to wield a sword or a mace.
so basically what guild wars 2 is doing (Which is a great game)
I think the class could work the way it does in a game I play, Maplestory. You would all start as "warrior" for instance, and you could level up to evolve your class into idk "Ionian Blademaster"
I think some of the class options you’d dismissed as too powerful could be prestige or advanced classes. Things you switch to later on in the game. This could also be a really good balance between classes being origin exclusive or not. You can start as a generic warrior anywhere but your advanced class depends on your origin.
Although personally I’d prefer it if any class was available from anywhere, but to keep the story intact and to incentivize you to actually stick to the normal combos, there could be some lengthy or difficult quest I’d you were learning skills from outside your origin, and there could be specific enemy factions who can’t.
So a blade master or warrior from Ionia can automatically become a wuju blade master at higher levels, someone from a neutral region would have to earn the trust of the Wuju experts through some tough quest, and Noxius warriors could be the only ones who can’t even get the quest to unlock Wuju.
I’m curious about the certain expansions we could get with the MMO. I’m hoping we get an expansion similar to Wrath of the Lich King, but for Mordekaiser as a raid boss.
Now I want a race based on mordekaiser, imagine being a passed suit of armor 🤘
@@decidueyezealot8611 YES DUDE! Similar to the death knights from wow, you could be an undead warrior for Mordekaisers expansion.
@@Siinful448 or one of the ruined, opens up some interesting customization options with all the races in lore 🤔
@@decidueyezealot8611 I hope riot sees ideas like these, and does something with them for the MMO.
I find it interesting that the Void was never once brought up, we know there are plenty of varied "tribes" in the Void ranging from super powerful and intelligent beings like Kha'zix, Cho'Gath and Bel'Veth to more simplistic and primal versions like Rek'sai and her Xer'sai. There are also characters like Kassadin and Kai'sa who have been to the Void and come out, as well as characters like Malzahar who have not been to the void but knows what lurks there and wishes to bring it forth. Where the Void representation/arguements lol.
False. @24:15
6:29 I love how dead inside he looks when saying that cursed phrase
Imo, Riot could go with a massive amount of classes, classified depending on where they're from.
They could have 8 different warriors, and make all warriors share a playstyle and abilities for the most part, but give each of them a unique set of 3-4 habilities and gimmicks to show how they're different from every other region.
Same with every class really. We're gonna see this game release in 2026 or later so I'd be willing to wait if we end up seeing stuff like that.
Raids and PVP the more classes the harder it gets to balance the game. Once people know what classes are the strongest people will only take those classes for raids meaning that all that work that riot puts in for classes will be worthless
@@omeddragon Riot can just rebalance and shift the meta continuously like they do with league. it'll be fine. -there will always be a META, and there will always be metagamers. all you can do is shift the meta.
Can't wait for another Asmongold reaction
Your work is amazing!
It got me super interested in the lore, the probable classes and highly interested in this game.
I hope Riot listens to a lot of this and actually tries to implement it