Ryan at FortNine is like a cross between an engineer, Steven Spielberg with those quality videos, sprinkled with some great jokes and quips that just want to make you keep watching. Credit to this gentleman here too for such a great review. I’m a subscriber to both and I appreciate their time and efforts. 🙏
I like that you brought up technical issues and on-going maint costs. That gets ignored by so many and it's important. Every $100 is another day on a road trip :)
Thanks for sharing, and yea....ultimately......some of us enjoy spending/working on our bikes no matter what the situation. But when it limits one's $funds$ for travel, or keeps rides from happening....it's worth considering. RIDE on!
@@jamesriley4857, pretty tough to detect/measure/prove, but it would make sense that such digging is happening. Yet we can still "pick up" the front end with relative ease, if we have good rear traction. Weird thing to understand and visualize.
Thanks, and as another person just commented: once you have one of these bikes, there would be little reason to think about the other. Enjoy and RIDE on!
It's amazing that from all the videos that I've watched so far 90% of the people who compare this two bikes prefer the ténéré for its handling and its consistent how most of say that all the electronics on the ktm just doesn't make it superior. Can't wait to test ride the Yamaha.
It's a no brainer: Price, running costs, looks, reliability, simplicity - and the few shortcomings can easily be opgraded. The T7 is the bike to pick for the big adventure.
Seems Yamaha have kept everything simple and straightforward. For me, not having to faff with rider modes, etc is very appealing allowing me to enjoy the ride. Great video👍
Thanks for sharing, we tend to agree. Let's get back to riding fundamentals, all the sights, sounds, feelings, and vibrations, and not rely on computers to 'make sure' we're not doing something wrong.
Thanks for this comparison, especially your closing comments. I got to ride both bikes back to back both on and off road, and I felt much more comfortable off road on the T7. I am picking one up in days. My son has a 790 he loves so as Sly said, different strokes for different folks
Or when folks have booked long-awaited trips on our rentals.....yea, along with our Customers, we don't want their vacations interrupted! Thanks for sharing.
Yep... European bikes tend to breakown quite easily when some parameters are not met... Most common example is fuel quality. There are documentations and videos where BMWs and KTMs usually get absolutely trashed just by different fuel quality. Russia is most well known place where those 2 brands often become unreliable. But the Japanese made bikes, although not as handsome looking, is ridiculously reliable (since they don't usually rely too much on the tech, but more to the good ol' machine).. There are videos of people tour half of the world using japanese bikes without hitch or cases of breaking down. Jakarta to London and back on Versys 250x tourer, around the world with Honda Africa Twin, Jakarta to Mekkah to Jakarta using Yamaha NMax 155cc... And if you manage to break it somehow, there are service centers almost everywhere and the parts are quite easy to find... Even cheap chinese copy part sometimes works.
@@fun2rideadventure i have KTM 450 EXC. Everytime either me or my brother fill it with fuel less than 92 octane (usually when traveling to the countryside), it starts to get "cranky" and uncomfortable...
Great video. Unbiased and informative. I chose the T7 for the very reasons you've pointed out. I got the suspension sorted as I'm a big guy. Absolutely love it. very nimble, good linear power right from the bottom. Handles amazing. I love it.
I must admit, for a few minutes there I was thinking this was going to go all KTM's way. Very balanced review in the end. Having tested both bikes the T7 was a no brainer for me. Love it. I have heard the KTM right hand footrest is lashed to the engine case. Is this true?. Whatever, a great review 👍🏴. Subscribed.
Not true. The footrest weight is carried by the swing-arm mount. It also mounts up to the side of the engine block. The part that mounts to the engine prevents the assembly from turning. One 790 rider reported a cracked engine case near this mount. One rider.
Great job hitting all the points I wanted to hear. Except for one or two maybe… I have already decided on the T7 and now this video just confirms my decision more. When trail riding which one will lift the front tire easier over a rut at lower RPM’s? Which one do you like in the more technical sections?
Jason, congrats on your upcoming bike. Answers: 1) Matching the two bikes in the same traction, speed, etc. situation is pretty tough to do, but it's pretty safe to say the more powerful KTM would pick up the front more easily, and 2) For handling, especially in tight situations, leaving some of that weight up front more like the T7 does with anti-squat, and just the layout of the bike, stature, etc. says I prefer the T7. Enjoy and thanks for sharing.
I do a lot of km and was really hoping that the T7 might be a nice bike to add to the stable just for commuting and gravel road easy types of adventures (since I already have 32,500km on my 790R, which is the only real choice out of the two for outback trips - the suspension is just so much better, let alone the power), but I was SO bored on the T7 that as much of a Yamaha fan I am - I just couldn't see myself having fun riding it. I was full throttle so much on the T7 that when I jumped back on the 790 I was wheelie-ing(?) all over the place. Also a few of the features that are missing on the T7 are hard to live without once you've had it - nope, not lean angle sensitive ABS and 9 levels of TC and 4 ride modes - I'm talking about cruise control and the ability to control your music on the dash. I do a 32k review of mine on my channel (including taking the clutch apart to check it out since people seem to worry about them for some reason) if anyone is interested in one with a few km on it. All bikes are compromises in one way or another, and it's great that everyone has their own preferences and prioritize the things that are important to them - the main thing is that you get a bike you love and get out there and go for adventure rides.
I totally agree. I’ve ridden both and the T7 was a mush ball of boredom for me. I have a 690 Enduro R and I’m very fond of the rough and ready to race feel that comes with a highly strung KTM. The Yammy reliability seems to be a big thing for many riders but my KTMs don’t break down because I maintain them! If you are prepared to invest some cut knuckles in your KTM it will reward you far more than a Yamaha hay bailer!
Traction control music setting high price the ktm will have built in face book for the complete geek. Old school the rider rides the bike the technology is killing biking with high costs and attracting sad rich boring geeks . T7 is good value
@@96Soenke Drives like a charm, in my opinion. But you‘re asking the wrong one... i‘m still some kind of beginner, startet riding last year and she is only my second bike. 😅
Nice comparison. On my relatively short test ride of the 790 I didn't have the time to get entirely comfortable with it. I blame this on the fact that I'm used to more street oriented bikes. I'll definitely test the T7 after the winter, but I can't help to think that I'll want more power. Having tested the MT09 and Tracer 900 and enjoying that inline 3 I can't help but wondering if there's a Ténéré 900 in the making. It seems it would make a really good compromise between power and versatility, while still being comfortable enough for touring, but I might be wrong...
Great review, thanks! I've had several Yamahas over the years... dirt bikes and a couple of road bikes. Completely reliable, all of 'em. I had a Yamaha TT350 farm bike that was abused for 20 years by two generations of vigorous young riders and only ever required an occasional oil change, chain and sprockets and some air in the tires. Other makes have cost me now and again with failures and issues. When I reflect, my Yamahas have been bullet proof. I've had KTM dirt bikes (15 years ago and beyond) they were ace but a bit highly strung, performance over reliability, and as you say, pricey and frequently in the shop. Now in my retirement years, I'm thinking of ditching my 1200 adventure bike (Triumph Tiger 1200 XCA) for a more nimble 700 Ten. Maybe the Triumph Tiger 900 Rally. Definitely in the market though, so thanks for the insight.
I do not want to wait for the stars of the mechanical gods to align for me to go riding. if my bike sees the wrench treatment that often, I better have bought it for under a grand. xD I've never met a KTM owner who didn't have a shop story. I can't afford a pit crew or a mechanic team. I'm not that rich. Gimmie that Tenere already Yamaha!
Thanks for the review, while we’re all requesting our wish lists for testing, I’d love to see the Husky 701 LR in the mix as well. Seems a good option against the T7.
Thanks for the idea, we will add it to the production list. Although it’s a little difficult to compare single cylinder and twin cylinder adventure bikes. Significantly different characteristics based on weight, size, etc. and so the rider probably just needs to decide on what their ratio of paved versus non-paved riding will be, how much luggage, how long of distance, if they want a happy passenger, etc.
Awesome comparison! I would love to ride both but $ is always an issue. I also wanted to compliment you on the channel and how you respond to so many comments. Not an easy thing to do! You and your crew are killing it.
Victor, thanks, we're having fun with the Channel growth, and knowing that folks are enjoying the videos. More ahead, and let us know which of those bikes you grab first. As someone pointed out early today: No matter which it is, don't worry.....you won't be thinking about the other.
Tough to say, depends on the type of riding. Simple, flat, hard-packed gravel shouldn't be too much of a challenge on any size/weight bike? But yea, if it's thick and soupy, and technical, rutted gravel.... you may appreciate the Tenere 700's roughly 150-few pounds. Maybe need to replace the rear spring, as the OEM is probably way-off for your weight. --- Have fun and let us know how it goes.
I also own a T7. flew out to west coast and rode 3000 miles home.. spent about 500 miles offroad. it is a phenomenal bike. ive been riding dirt bikes for 25 years and while this isnt a dirt bike, it sure surprised me with its capability. climbing silt hills, plowing through sand and rolling down steep rocks at moab with stock tires made me a believer. i was hitting 100 mph on the freeway with 120 pounds of gear without a sweat. at 80 mph i was getting 55 mpg. the bike is just a joy to ride. the seat will break in over time but id still recommend a new seat. i sold my vstrom 650 modded and im about to sell my modded dr650.. i put about 1500 bucks in accessories into the tenere and all thats left is the seat. im more than happy with the power and was hesitant with tubes but i proved on this trip that they can survive a brutal long distance ride.
Shoot. Sounds like I owe you one for giving me a big direction toward checking out the T7 to replace an XT Vstrom. I got a used with new with warranty fully modded 3,300 miles '16 XT Vstrom 650 in Boise in June and road around seeing cousins, to the Oregon coast, and back through ID/Black Hills to PA. Did 7 off road sections also around 500 miles, including 103 miles Owyhee backcountry route into Oregon, and from Salmon Idaho over into MT; Hells Canyon (to overlook/snow/mud). Tubes... hmm I did have to plug a tire with 125 left to home in the rain when some cars hydroplaned and left bits of glass all over the TP (jjjjust in front of me, got lucky on Shinko 800's that saved my day). Looking for something with a touch more suspension and maybe more grunt.. lighter would be better.
@@galehess6676 i put 30000 miles on a vstrom650 on big trips to alaska, newfoundland labrador etc. took the bike places i shouldn't offroad.. that being said, theres no way i could take the vstrom where i took the tenere 700. as i was saying earlier, not a dirt bike... if you plan to do nasty, off camber muddy trails than the lighter the bike the better (drz400, ktm500 etc) but for everything else, i was more than confident in the bikes ability. i will say that on occasion i do miss the 19-17 wheel combo from the dl650 vs the tenere 21-18 because the front tire was much wider and could handle pavement turns just slightly better but its a compromise im willing to live with. it still handles turns great just not 100 percent planted like the vstrom could do .
Devil's Tail is 20 miles of solid nice twisties for a Vstrom.... (definite worth it/highlight) ..turns are piled on top of each other for an hour of ~35 MPH. Chill a bit at the dam/visitor center, look for mountain goats on the canyon wall... then back and the 20-75' drop off to the water being on the west side of the road is cool both directions, as that side of the road is all open out over the water/boaters/fishermen... lava rock outcroppings and pull offs. Cool people at the visitor center by the dam just hanging out looking for mountain goats... Before hitting that section, I first road up from Baker City (see the Oregon Trail National museum!!, I did not, wish I had) /Union, OR, to Hat Point to view the canyon at the northern view point ... the road from Joseph (last weekend in July the world's most legit rodeo out in nowhere Joseph, OR) comes into Imnaha Oregon paved, and leaves unpaved and 18% ("No Trailers. No R.V.'s") ... 24 miles later, you run into a foot of snow and hoof it the last 1.5 in yer moto boots because how far could it be to the observatory lol. Saw a Bald Eagler soaring just over my head, fishing, as I road back out. I was pretty happy with Devil's Tail and would guess it's as good as anything like it (eg North Carolina's Tail of the Dragon).
I've an older KTM 1190 ADV R and I must admit that I just love the complex electronics. I'm a rookie and it's nice to know that when I'm pushing over my limits the bike keeps me safe. If you're a pro you don't need any help from the bike, but if you don't have enough experience for such heavy bikes, it's good to have a smart motorcycle that doesn't allow you to to stupid things and die lol.
Great Review.. Remember if you have an acident such as when I hit a Deer with my Yamaha Street Bike .. Headlight forks Radiator ect is way chepaer on the Yamaha .. I really like the Low Center of Gravity Tank on the KTM .. Wish the aftermarket made one for the Yamaha .. that KTM skid plate looks really cool too .. For me I think I will go for the Yamha to save money .. Also I think the KTM needs premium gas which costs 60 cents per gallon more.. than 87 Octane ..
I would love to hear maintenance considerations added to these reviews. I ride substantially alone, preventative maintenance, simplicity, and reliability are critical out on trails with no cell coverage. Thank you for an informative comparison.
Totally agree with your review man :) I've done a test with these 2, on and off road for 3 days and I love the T7 because it reminded me of my 950 adventure (imagine that) from a handling/feeling point of view, except I felt the weight of the gas up top (the 950 has down low tanks too). So my question for you is did it bothered you to feel the weight of the gas up top every once in a while? (T7's geometry kind of cancels that feeling occasionally, but not for example when you lean it on a side while slow off roading)
You mentioned again the reliability issues of the KTM. Here in Europe I believe that the last 10 years or so they have proven their reliability and that's why they have earned a big portion of the market. Is that different in the US? Great review, love your channel guys 💪🏻
I love Bikes, and have no particular axe to grind with KTM, but I do know a person who runs 'Adventure Tours' for groups, and privately he tells me his heart sinks every time his group includes two particular European brands, he say the backup truck is always busy, but never with a Japanese brand...
@@garethpepin6167 I don't own a KTM but I think that's a bit unfair. As far as I know the problems they had are far left behind and the last dacade or so they are not only reliable but also won races at probably every competition.. And the most recent is moto GP.
GreekAdvRiders, thanks for sharing, but pardon, we have to agree with what @Gareth Pepin is saying. The Hondas and Yamahas we have in our rental/touring operations simply do not have failures (other than those caused by crashes), and yet every time we turn around it seems, another KTM is having an issue. I mentioned the headlight staying on (killing the battery) and the non-breathing fuel tank in the video. Sometimes the 790's don't start right away, but need a few pushes of the button to stay running. That's something no Honda or Yamaha has a problem with these days. Plus all the other things folks are reporting about their KTM's, we have no reason to tell anything other than the truth.
@@GreekAdvRiders with respect, clearly problems are current, not historical, I was delighted to see the KTM Motogp win, this is great for Motogp ! However you really cannot compare reliability of a Motogp bike with a privately owned machine, have you any idea of the cost of running a Motogp team, and the mechanical care taken to make sure the machines run without breaking for 70 Miles each race ? I think this has no relevance to us normal owners.
Excelent presence and inspireing to watch! When i did this back to back test last year i already had the the 790R and was happy with that after the back to back ride. However, the T7 points really nice in curves and was very stable and predictable. Missed the punch and suspension though. The more rough it got the more i appreciated the 790R. Keep it up and share what ever you want with us!
Mattias, thanks for commenting, and the good feedback. Suspension is a tough one to comment on, with ever-changing terrains and the dynamic situation inherent to riding. Yep, that steep swingarm of the Tenere 700 feels like a little more of a 'kick in the tail', as was mentioned in our Tenere 700 Pros and Cons video: ruclips.net/video/XsJTztRwem4/видео.html
For me it had to be reliable and affordable so my choice was the Yamaha. I'm just under 1500 miles now and very happy with my choice. The t7 is far more capable than I likely ever will be! Great video, ride safe everyone!
Bleed orange been riding KTMs for last 10 years and just ordered a 2021 Tenere 700 pick it up in April already bought $2200 extras so I hope it’s as good as everyone says it is 😋
Love the Orange, too, but 1 of our 790 R's on tour in Baja right now just had to have it's steering bearings replaced with like 7000 miles on it, and 1 of the 790 Standards had master cylinder issues with about the same mileage. High performance.....nicely-powered...just lacking in reliability. Have fun with your Gazelle.
Good question, but one that’s difficult to articulate a response for. While the saddlebag fuel tank design does help keep that weight low on the KTM, being able to distinguish this and “feel” a clear difference is very difficult. Two different bikes with many different factors, it would take sophisticated measuring equipment to check “lean angle weights” and such. Perhaps the answer comes through in my overall sentiments, that I do prefer riding the Yamaha. as in, without having those saddlebag fuel tanks, still The Yamaha “feels better,” - Thanks for commenting.
The reliability is such a huge factor especially when these bikes are used for the purpose that they are built for. Hopefully other manufacturers will see that people don’t want all the gadgets. These bikes will hit road mud sand gravel water - no place for gadgets.
True that! Maybe a good practice for manufacturers is to present you with 2 options, with or without the electronics. There are older riders who don't need them sure there are younger/other riders who need them so why not have it as an option?
ive got a 790 R, if crashed it more times than i can count offroad, dumped it going up hillclimbs, low sided it on pavement, tumbled it down rocky trails, havent had a single issue with the bikes gadgets or anything for that matter. and as for not needing them, theyre turned completely off with a quick press of the controls lol.. so many people are quick to point at the ktm and call it unreliable just from what a couple people on forums may have said. 7500 kms on mine, and not a km of it has been easy riding. and not one hiccup
@@GrammaGummers Good to hear they are improving. I had fuel/air sensor issues on my 2015 690 and never felt entirely relaxed after not being able to start it in the wild. My Super Tenere on the other hand was a swiss watch: bullet-proof and smooth as cat-shit on linoleum.
Thank you for this. I LOVE the way the KTM looks, but it just seems too trail focused, and I'm looking at maybe 70% highway, 30% rough road. I understand Yamaha is very reliable, and I like the 700 (I haven't ridden since my children were small) don't want anything above 800 cc. I'll check your other videos, but I'd love to see your reviews/comparisons of the BMW 800, Kawasaki Versys 650, Triumph 900, or maybe the Honda CB500. I can do without a bunch of heavy technology on a bike for gosh sakes....it's just more stuff that breaks.
Thanks for a great review. I have a question re the T700 as it relates to how it carries its weight. After 30k kms I am real tired of picking up my 2013 (TOP HEAVY) KLR from its favourite resting position....on its side, on the ground😡 On the other hand, during that same period of time and within its 19k kms, I have yet to drop my Super Tenere which weighs 143lbs more than the KLR🤔🤔 So my question is how does the T700 compare with the KLR in particular with respect to its centre of gravity? Thank you again.
Not sure if you meant to say "KTM" but instead wrote KLR (being that it was a KTM vs. T700 review.) We don't have any KLR's in our rental operations right now, and of course it would take some pretty specific weight measuring to confirm with precision, but the T700 being heavier, and approximately the same height as a KLR 650, it's pretty easy to say the T700 will feel heavier when picking it up. Kind of hard to compare twin cylinder bikes with singles in that regard, and accordingly, how they will feel on open-stretches, and long-hauls when compared to each other. Thanks for commenting.
That was a great summary. I own a Yamaha XT660R and I'm thinking of replacing it maybe next year. How would you compare the old XT to the Tenere 700 ? Will it be as good ans my old one especially off road?
Kind of tough to compare a single cylinder to a twin that weighs so much more, but the XT660's have been great, reliable bikes in rental operation for a long time. As I'm a bit heavy, it sure lacks a bit in power, but still, a useful bike. Certainly the preferred bike for more technical terrain (much lighter.) -- Eric
First of all great channel , I want to ask you is it Yamaha Tenere good beginner bike for a guy who weights 210 pounds and his height is 6,5 feet . I have never raid a bike . My goal is to commute and explore gravel roads around my place.
Thanks for that comment. ---- Key words you said (beginner, commute, explore gravel, etc.) make it sound like the the T7 would be perfect for you, but at your size, you may want to transition to one of the bigger 1000cc+/500lbs+ adventure bikes as time goes on, and once you're past 'beginner' status. Ultimately, we can't confirm fitting though....maybe the T7 will be your perfect bike for many years to come. Have fun!
Great comparison, but how many people pay cash for bikes? I feel pretty confident saying most people buy bikes via a loan, so they really aren't $3500 poorer on the day they bring the bike home. I own a KTM and a Yamaha and the cam chain tensioner failed on my Yamaha so I was without it for a summer (due to parts on backorder). So they don't hold special status in my book. I am glad we have two great bikes to choose from. Cheers
The trails i ride are 10 minutes from my garage, so my dual sport bike is a 2018 KTM 350 EXC-F...super light, with a few mods goes as fast as I want to go, and feels ultra light, and incredible suspension for the kind of riding I love most. I agree completely with you on the KTM 790 electronics issues, I would never want to deal with that fear of electrical problems, too bad KTM does not offer a model without all the electronics. I also think even middle weight adventure bikes like the two in this video are too heavy for moderate to technical off-road riding, unless you are an advanced level rider. It makes sense to have a middle weight adventure bike that you enjoy, and then have a dedicated lightweight dual sport like the KTM 350 or 500 for serious fun off-road. Great video, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for commenting, and yea, depending on the type of riding/terrain a rider will be doing, hopefully they're picking the bike that matches. ---- We are limiting the # of KTM's in our fleet operations until they show greater signs of reliability. Going thick with Honda and Yamaha for now, and the customers are loving the bikes.
Demoed a T7 and it was pretty nice. Got my Africa Twin up for sale decided I did not need all the electronics and 1100 cc motor but still a really cool bike.....
Pretty sure 75kg is about the "standard weight" most mfg's are sending bikes out sprung for. Best to try it with original springs first, and decide from there.
Great Job. I have a Tenere 700 on order and it will be the 2022 model year. $12,300 out the door including our lovely 8.9% sales tax here in Washington State. I just found a 2021 890 Adventure R with RallyPack, Quickshift and Cruise control for with 5600 miles for 15,250 including said sales tax. I can pick the KTM up next week or wait who knows how long for the T7. Struggling with this decision.
Doug, tough one. Even if money wasn't a factor, some of us still prefer the T7. Sounds like you have good times ahead either way, so congrats, and thanks for the note : )
I just bought a 2019 Triumph Scrambler 1200 XC 13,000km ago - love it! My previous bike was a 2013 Triumph Tiger 800 - also loved it. (5 years - 93,000km) Perhaps you could do a comparison between the Scrambler 1200 and something similarly priced - maybe an Africa Twin? Not a GS1250 - much more expensive and better on road. Or maybe the new Tiger 900 vs the Scrambler 1200? Great channel! Dave
kvman50, all bikes that are 'on our list,' so stay tuned. Triumph is a little more rare for us though, as we only offer them for rent in Chile at this time. Haven't introduced them in the U.S. market yet, as we don't have a dealership here in Bend, Oregon yet. Thanks for sharing and the compliment, Dave.
I've a 2009 Yamaha FZ6-S2, and a 2015 KTM-1190 (non-R) which I got for motocamping trips. The Yamaha had ZERO failures in 5+ years and over 40k miles on her. Including putting Pirelli MT60 tires on the otherwise 100% street bike and getting into places which I dare to say - many folks on those GS-1250S don't go. All I did was change the oil&filter, brake pads, air filter (all of the above is SUPER EASY with the Yamaha). Did the 24k mile valve adjustment and plug replacement done at a corner shop. Just the regular stuff. Bike works like a charm! The KTM, well the only "real" issue it had was the fuel guage not working. Which was fixed by sanding down the float a bit. Why must one do that on a bike with $15k + MSRP in the first place is questionable... Otherwise the bike is solid mechanically, but fails electrically. I took a pretty hard spill on the KTM and the bike was fine. But it does, from time to time, have weird electronic/software issues. And the TPM light comes on when rear pressure goes below 36 PSI. Which is silly. That much is ONLY needed for 2-up AND full luggage. Riding alone there's no reason at all to pump to the rear to the "manufacturer recommended" 42 PSI. Tested the KTM-790-S last year. Does feel lighter, but also overly electronic. And does cheap out on some features the older 1190 has, while being... not that cheaper at all, (in fact costs more than the 5 y/o 1190). Used to be a BMW fan but lately they are soo crap, both quality and practicality-wise (no spare tires in X3, wtf are they smoking???) so I got a used Lexus instead. Think I'll go back to Japanese bikes, too. Only thing I don't like about the Tenere is tubular tires. Tubeless is perhaps the one thing I'm willing to pay a few hundred more upfront for not having to deal with on the roadside. I don't ride hard enough to bend a rim badly, but have caught screws. Plugging a bike tire is easy. Replacing a tube - not so much. In fact never done it, and not too eager to ever need to.
Pretty good options out there it seems for converting tubed-rims to tubeless. Not citing any yet, but expect we'll have some reviews and info on this subject in the future. Thanks for sharing.
interested in the tyres on the KTM - looks like Dunlop Trailmax Mission? and if so, your review would be much appreciated - have been running them on a Tiger 800 XCa both on the road and in the dirt and I think we may just have found the perfect 50/50
In this video, the KTM had the Heidenau K60 Scouts, which we'll be posting a review on in 2 weeks. We'll add the Trailmax to the list : ) Thanks for sharing.
Love my 660Z Ténéré and would snap up the 700 in a heartbeat - the simplicity and price wins it for me - but the KTM does have that 'beast' element that appeals....
thank you. Yes, the Yamaha for me I think - reliability, simplicity, plenty of squirt but puts the onus on me to ride properly using the whole skill set (ABS on/off is all I really wanted). And it sounds as if the Yamaha is there ready to assist in this regard, lack of fancy electronics notwithstanding, simply because it has been well engineeered..
Hello, I tested both bikes, and indeed both are excellent bikes. I have a small preference for the KTM for its little grain of madness that it gives in addition. Suspension, engine, lightness of the front axle ... We feel too much the weight perched high on the Yamaha. Thanks for this comparison and everyone is happy.
Thanks for sharing, and yea, both are a riot to ride. That madness of the KTM is hard to ignore....the Lion that "snaps" and shreds what it wants. Glad we all have options, and of course the goal should be to own both bikes : )
Today my 2020 790 R hit 10,000 trouble free km. The only thing I have done is re placed the Karoo 3 with Anakee Wilds, A world of difference. This bike is as reliable as my Toyota Tacoma but much more fun.
I have ridden both bikes, and both are great middleweight adventure bikes. I would also recommend adding the SWM Superdual-X into the discussion. It is lighter than either with proven reliability. The simple electronics are identical to the Yamaha and the value proposition is fantastic.
Thanks for sharing! We've heard good things about the Superdual-X, but find it difficult to compare single and twin-cylinder bikes. Kind of an apples and oranges thing.
@@RIDEAdventures I personally disagree, the bikes intended use us the same so whichever bike does the job best should get thrown into the mix. I would also throw the Husqvarna 701 LR into the discussion since with its added fuel range and electronics suite it would make for a seriously capable adventure mount in the same price bracket.
was on the market for one of those bikes, ended up w KTM, since Yamaha was crawling on the ocean floor for months to get into USA and when they snail speed arrived people paid rather more over asking price, what a craziness , 790 didn't annoyed me yet, will se what time tell, nice video, thnx!
Both great bikes ! I own one of them but travelled a lot with both on and off road Up to 70% of MY potential t7 easier and better 70-100% Ktm is alone Traveling and twisting on road 790 much more fun Price matters though for dirty toys Have fun with your buddies Get out and ride Bike choices are not so important
After riding both for me it was clear which bike to buy. It wasnt about electronics or cost or other technical things. It was about enjoying the ride. One i realy loved to ride and the other one i absolutly didnt like. So my advice would ne. Ride both and listen to what yout guts telling you. Theses bikes for me are very different. And to decie was very easy. Keep on riding
@@RIDEAdventures Smile and that was for a reason. For me it isnt important which one. Maybe a KTM Tenere or a Yamaha 790 R? My other bike is a BMW 1200 GS, i am riding the GS for the last 7 years and will continue and before the 1200 GS it was a BMW 1100 GS for 16 years.
@@ParagliceCayenne, excellent. As we offer motorcycle rentals across multiple brands, the only 'brand loyalty' we have is towards the bikes that cause us the fewest issues and problems. The 790R is in high-demand, but we hesitate to buy more until the many glitches we've had, and others that are looming over us, are taken care of. Thanks for sharing.
Had money in hand and a pre-order placed after selling my WR250R and waiting for the T7. After getting screwed by that debacle and being told it'd be November before I could get a bike, I bought the 790r and honestly I'm glad I did. It feels lighter in the saddle to me. Once I learned the balance point it feels like it turns better at low speed and high speed it's more stable for me. I'm sure I would've been happy with the T7, I still love the bike but Yamaha made some very bad decisions in way of the American release and it resulted in many people like me taking that $10,000 and driving to the KTM dealership to check out the 790 instead. So really, Yamaha's reliability only extends to the work put into the actual motorcycle, unfortunately not as much into getting bikes to customers. Also, got my 790 R for 1k less than all other dealer lists in the country so my difference was only about $2,200.
Awesome take on both these bikes! I’m moving off the touring Harley (2017 Ultra Limited 70,000km) onto an adventure bike and these are both top contenders! The test ride will seal the deal. I love long rides but looking forward to the road less travelled in my backyard of the Rocky Mountains.
Gary GnU, welcome to the world of options that come with bikes like these. You'll enjoy either one, no doubt, and live in the right place for them. Enjoy!
Thank you Eric for a very nice review. From what I have heard over the last few months, you are right on the money. For me it is an easy choice. If I go adventure riding, I want reliability and simplicity. When you are days from the nearest shop, you don't want electronic problems. I beleive you can anything with the Tenere that you can do on the KTM and I will be ordering my Tenere here in France, where it is built, by the way. Keep doing these honest reviews. We all need them and it really helps.
Thanks for sharing, did not know they were producing T7's in France? Interesting. Great bike though, and you'll love it .... probably for many years if you so choose. RIDE on!
@@RIDEAdventures Yamaha has a plant just outside Paris where the Tenere 700 is built. They produce them like hotkakes now and have a hard time keeping up with the demand. As far as I know, it is for the whole of the European market and maybe North Amerika. Not sure!
Great review, usually I get upset if the video does not state which bike they truly prefer over the other but I felt that without saying it you really did say which bike you prefer. Which I actually kind of like because it doesn't necessarily put one bike down over the other. The video also helped confirm which bike I want. I'm a huge KTM fan, I've owned 4 KTMs so far... but I've also owned Yamahas and loved those as well. I think I'll go blue over orange this time.
Thanks for the reminder, good thing a final "winner" was announced. Especially in this topic of adventure riding, and ever-changing, dynamic riding conditions, it's hard sometimes to say with certainty which of two great bikes is better. A dark Orange cloud of maintenance concerns looming overhead probably hasn't helped us love the KTM any more, and something about how that T7 "gallops," is just so inviting.
Both good bikes but the KTM 790 was a no brainer for me. Yup, I paid more but for more suspension, more HP, more torque, better balance with low gas tank, and more electronics that equates to better safety on the road. Good luck upgrading that with the T7. My reality is that I have to ride more road than off-road to get there. The added features that the TFT display offers are also great. To each their own but this is my first KTM after owning several bikes and It's truly a blast. It's been rock-solid reliable and I've put it to the test. To each their own, but basic is too basic for me.
Paul, we're not alone in this strategy then. The fun/drama that comes with fixing issues truly has led me (Eric) to some of the most outstanding travel experiences (in some back alley in Bolivia, fixing whatever issue however we could with complete strangers.) But yea, when it comes to completing a travel mission, on any kind of a schedule, reliability goes a long way. Thanks for sharing.
I use to think so too. But the adjust on the fly "Rally Mode" is a game changer for me. I will also never buy an adventure bike without cruise control and tube-less tires again.
Great review. For me the decision was simple. I prioritize reliability and low maintenance over everything. I would rather be riding then trailering my motorcycle to the shop every weekend because the fancy features are malfunctioning. Sounds like you've had quite a few issues with your 790's. The dealer I purchased my Tenere from is also a ktm dealer and he said his service shop is always full of orange.
Thanks, this really helped me make my choice. Here in the Philippines reliability is key. I’ve had amazing bikes but have had to have down time to maintain them. The T700 is the choice for me. It also helps that it looks amazing.
Eric is about 6'3", 260 fully-suited, and a 32" inseam. Yea, the KTM feels slightly more bulky, compared to the slender T7. Overall very similar stature and seat heights on these bike though.
Best Review of these two bikes. He didn't mention that with the extra $3,500 you have left when you buy the Yamaha, you can upgrade the suspension, exhaust, good offroad tires, and still have money for a good adventure. IN MY experience, all the controls and electronics, fail more than they actually help you. Yamaha is my choice too!
Good point! Heck, the original suspension is pretty good to begin with, so hit the clickers, maybe change springs, and save the $$$ for the next big adventure. RIDE on!
Great vid, just the vid l wanted to see, l have a new 701 enduro at the moment and love the of road side of the bike but not the on road side. I am about the same size as you and would like to change the 701 but cannot make up my mind can you help. Thanks joe
Joe, the answer is clear: Own both bikes : ) ------- Ha, ha, it really just depends on what you want to do with the bike. The more you're on pavement, or high-speed, simple, flat fire roads....the more you'll appreciate a twin-cylinder adventure bike. The more single track, or 2nd/3rd gear type stuff, of course that 701 is the pleasure and treasure. So now....what will you be doing ........ : )
@@RIDEAdventures Eric, Thanks for your time and quick response, l love the of road part but also going for long rides on the road, so you could say 50/50 bike is needed l was swaying towards the ktm until you mentioned the reliably issues or is that me over thinking, just another point as l am 6ft4 and 18 half stone which bike would you think would suit me, l have test ridden them both but only on the road. Many thanks Joe.
Great comparison/review of both bikes. One question not answered here though, if one doesn't have the luxury of being close enough to the mountains to quickly ride to, and will have a sizeable highway/tarmac ride to get to the "off-road" part of the trip, would you rather do that on the KTM or the Yamaha?
Good question, and we need to do a better job commenting on “pavement prowess.” As both bikes have that excellent 21/18 inch wheel size combination and similar/traditional suspension configuration, there is a very slight difference in getting to the dirt. Perhaps the KTM, and its more girthy feeling, and extra 20 hp has an advantage here though. Slightly though.
This is a very important question!Appreciate the comparison, but it does feel like you should be comparing the 790 to F800GS and the Tenere to the 701 & 690. I have the 790 and it is my first Adv bike. Years of riding single track with KTM small bores and have nothing but success with them. The release of the 790 sparked an Adv fire in me. The nimble feeling platform is what attracted me and more importantly cruise control, traction control and it’s ability to get me to the mountains in comfort and safety. Just completed the WABDR in three days (for those who might, please don’t lecture me about not enjoying the roses, I have kids and wife to get home to and I bought the bike to attack the trail and get me home) it is about 600 miles of crappy (glorious) dirt roads and I had to ride 500 miles on asphalt in transit from home to trail to home. The 790 performed flawlessly, the ABS was turned off on trail but enabled on 500 miles of slippery wet asphalt. Both experiences were fantastic. The traction control helped me get up a challenging hill after a 370 mile day! I was happy to have it available to me. The 3 different ride modes (street, off-road, Rally) are tuned to perfection. I love this bike and it does exactly what I wanted it to do. Regarding maintenance, time will tell. Sheez, reading all these comments, I had to get that off my chest. LOL, I feel better now.
Love the work you’re doing on reviews and would love to know a little bit about the range variance between the two machines in real world riding situations. I personally would probably lean more towards the generator 700 because I do enjoy the simplicity as well as lack of electronics but I’m reading on various blogs the guys are only getting about 130 miles on a full tank in the woods which I can do on my EXR 500
Jimmy & Heather Lewis talk about range in their review, as well, starting at around 06:20 (ruclips.net/video/Ymd4DDAP3J0/видео.html). They averaged around 45 mpg - totally reasonable, IMO. I've also read similar information on the T7's range as you mentioned above. My riding area has several legs wtih >220 miles between fuel stops; if I had a T7, I'd strap on extra fuel for peace of mind.
Absolutely not true, I’ve gotten 240 miles out of a tank and half of that was hardcore offroad, I was very scared it was gonna run out of fuel and I probably was about to, but i made it to town in the end
Great review and well balanced. KTM Ready to Race DNA is great for a competition bike but less so for adventure and gentle riding on green roads; so I'd go T700. We are lucky we have such a great bike choice these days. I'm waiting for the used market at lower prices so someone else has already paid to depreciate it by scratching it up and covering in dirt.
As an ‘adventure bike’, I would choose the Yamaha every time - way better reliability and less fancy gadgetry Taking a KTM to a 3rd world country - just scary Nice comparison - I think very accurate and unbiased
Depending on location, a Triumph may not me feasible, but I would enjoy hearing your thoughts on the Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro. Weight, power, electronics, and good reliability....
Ahh, yes, a perspective we haven't addressed in any videos. Very similar situation though, the rear position on both bikes in this case. Anyone out there have Pillion experience on either or both that you can share?
I have the 790 Adventure R and couldnt be happier. My riding is more hard core off road but still with good road manners for the long bits of bitumen in between. I rode the Yamaha but for my style of riding it is not close to the KTM capabilities. I also have 7000klm trouble free riding.
I love KTM's dirt bikes. That is what I ride. But with that said, I am so happy I bought a T7. Simple, Good, value, reliable. The KTM adventure bikes other then the older bikes like the 990 and 950 and 690, they have issues. One of the biggest issues, the t7 is easy to service the air filter and the oil. Very happy with the T7.
A year after making the video, we, and our Customers, tend to agree more and more. The T7 is outstanding in so many ways. What a value. Get them now before the go up 30% in price with the inevitable electronics and stuff they'll be adding.
It’s a small point you mention but I personally think this is crucial. I’ve ridden road bikes for 45 years and just starting to get interested in Adventure bike riding. I’m discovering ‘off road’ riding is so completely different from ‘on road’ riding, your using your body in a whole new way to control the bike over different surfaces. To gain the skills and experience to become better at ‘off road’ riding you need a bike that requires the rider to develop ‘instinctual’ input behaviours and reactions. It would be preferable to buy the bike which does not have 000’s of ‘Modes’ and gadgets that do it all for you……..I’de buy the Yamaha T700.
guess me, The 790 just looks tougher, stronger, faster,,,,wait,,,thats because it is. Both amazing bikes, and pretty sad the other companies havent joined in on the real off road adventure thing, but I like the better performance on my toys and the ktm won.
@@zzim2853 Really nothing to argue about. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. To me the 790 looks like a Duke street bike with off road fenders. But that's just me.
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Thank you for giving credit to Ryan at Fortnine! it's nice to see the integrity there.
Ryan was the only guy who really picked up on that engineering talking point right out of the gate. Dude is my favorite youtuber for motorcycle stuff.
Ryan at FortNine is like a cross between an engineer, Steven Spielberg with those quality videos, sprinkled with some great jokes and quips that just want to make you keep watching.
Credit to this gentleman here too for such a great review. I’m a subscriber to both and I appreciate their time and efforts. 🙏
I like that you brought up technical issues and on-going maint costs. That gets ignored by so many and it's important. Every $100 is another day on a road trip :)
Thanks for sharing, and yea....ultimately......some of us enjoy spending/working on our bikes no matter what the situation. But when it limits one's $funds$ for travel, or keeps rides from happening....it's worth considering. RIDE on!
Which ever you pick, once you start riding it, you’re not going to be thinking about the other bike
Very well put and definitely true. Hard to imagine regret for either, unless of course reliability issues kept us from riding sometime.
unless the KTM breaks down in the middle of the Mexican desert
Does the geometry cause the front wheel to dig in when riding on sand?
Are you mad man?! I’m always thinking about the other bikes. Can never have too many ;)
@@jamesriley4857, pretty tough to detect/measure/prove, but it would make sense that such digging is happening. Yet we can still "pick up" the front end with relative ease, if we have good rear traction. Weird thing to understand and visualize.
Never tried the KTM 790 but as a satisfied owner of T7, I doubt I'll ever change!
Great video! 👍
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Thanks, and as another person just commented: once you have one of these bikes, there would be little reason to think about the other. Enjoy and RIDE on!
Nice comparison.
I'm gonna end up with the Yamaha.
Less money, user friendly, valve check at 40000km, etc...
And more tequila/travel funds to spend. Enjoy....it's a great bike.
It's amazing that from all the videos that I've watched so far 90% of the people who compare this two bikes prefer the ténéré for its handling and its consistent how most of say that all the electronics on the ktm just doesn't make it superior.
Can't wait to test ride the Yamaha.
It's a no brainer: Price, running costs, looks, reliability, simplicity - and the few shortcomings can easily be opgraded. The T7 is the bike to pick for the big adventure.
I'm so getting a T7. Love the white/red colors too. Reminds me of my old xt350!
Seems Yamaha have kept everything simple and straightforward. For me, not having to faff with rider modes, etc is very appealing allowing me to enjoy the ride. Great video👍
Thanks for sharing, we tend to agree. Let's get back to riding fundamentals, all the sights, sounds, feelings, and vibrations, and not rely on computers to 'make sure' we're not doing something wrong.
Thanks for this comparison, especially your closing comments. I got to ride both bikes back to back both on and off road, and I felt much more comfortable off road on the T7. I am picking one up in days. My son has a 790 he loves so as Sly said, different strokes for different folks
When riding in the middle of nowhere , reliability is everything
Or when folks have booked long-awaited trips on our rentals.....yea, along with our Customers, we don't want their vacations interrupted! Thanks for sharing.
Yep... European bikes tend to breakown quite easily when some parameters are not met... Most common example is fuel quality. There are documentations and videos where BMWs and KTMs usually get absolutely trashed just by different fuel quality. Russia is most well known place where those 2 brands often become unreliable. But the Japanese made bikes, although not as handsome looking, is ridiculously reliable (since they don't usually rely too much on the tech, but more to the good ol' machine).. There are videos of people tour half of the world using japanese bikes without hitch or cases of breaking down. Jakarta to London and back on Versys 250x tourer, around the world with Honda Africa Twin, Jakarta to Mekkah to Jakarta using Yamaha NMax 155cc... And if you manage to break it somehow, there are service centers almost everywhere and the parts are quite easy to find... Even cheap chinese copy part sometimes works.
@@Alex2011410136 tenere is also "European" to say like that... Have you ever had an KTM?
@@fun2rideadventure i have KTM 450 EXC. Everytime either me or my brother fill it with fuel less than 92 octane (usually when traveling to the countryside), it starts to get "cranky" and uncomfortable...
@@Alex2011410136 add some little engine oil or 2t oil in that fuel tank... I know the fuel from US is little dry...
Great video.
Unbiased and informative.
I chose the T7 for the very reasons you've pointed out.
I got the suspension sorted as I'm a big guy.
Absolutely love it.
very nimble, good linear power right from the bottom.
Handles amazing.
I love it.
Thanks for sharing and the compliment, such a great bike!
I must admit, for a few minutes there I was thinking this was going to go all KTM's way. Very balanced review in the end. Having tested both bikes the T7 was a no brainer for me. Love it. I have heard the KTM right hand footrest is lashed to the engine case. Is this true?. Whatever, a great review 👍🏴. Subscribed.
Not true. The footrest weight is carried by the swing-arm mount. It also mounts up to the side of the engine block. The part that mounts to the engine prevents the assembly from turning. One 790 rider reported a cracked engine case near this mount. One rider.
@@jonmarleau5555 makes no difference to me 👍
@@funguseater40 OK. I thought you asked a question. Sorry.
Great job hitting all the points I wanted to hear. Except for one or two maybe…
I have already decided on the T7 and now this video just confirms my decision more.
When trail riding which one will lift the front tire easier over a rut at lower RPM’s?
Which one do you like in the more technical sections?
Jason, congrats on your upcoming bike. Answers: 1) Matching the two bikes in the same traction, speed, etc. situation is pretty tough to do, but it's pretty safe to say the more powerful KTM would pick up the front more easily, and 2) For handling, especially in tight situations, leaving some of that weight up front more like the T7 does with anti-squat, and just the layout of the bike, stature, etc. says I prefer the T7. Enjoy and thanks for sharing.
I do a lot of km and was really hoping that the T7 might be a nice bike to add to the stable just for commuting and gravel road easy types of adventures (since I already have 32,500km on my 790R, which is the only real choice out of the two for outback trips - the suspension is just so much better, let alone the power), but I was SO bored on the T7 that as much of a Yamaha fan I am - I just couldn't see myself having fun riding it. I was full throttle so much on the T7 that when I jumped back on the 790 I was wheelie-ing(?) all over the place. Also a few of the features that are missing on the T7 are hard to live without once you've had it - nope, not lean angle sensitive ABS and 9 levels of TC and 4 ride modes - I'm talking about cruise control and the ability to control your music on the dash. I do a 32k review of mine on my channel (including taking the clutch apart to check it out since people seem to worry about them for some reason) if anyone is interested in one with a few km on it. All bikes are compromises in one way or another, and it's great that everyone has their own preferences and prioritize the things that are important to them - the main thing is that you get a bike you love and get out there and go for adventure rides.
I totally agree. I’ve ridden both and the T7 was a mush ball of boredom for me. I have a 690
Enduro R and I’m very fond of the rough and ready to race feel that comes with a highly strung KTM. The Yammy reliability seems to be a big thing for many riders but my KTMs don’t break down because I maintain them! If you are prepared to invest some cut knuckles in your KTM it will reward you far more than a Yamaha hay bailer!
Traction control music setting high price the ktm will have built in face book for the complete geek. Old school the rider rides the bike the technology is killing biking with high costs and attracting sad rich boring geeks . T7 is good value
@@martinfretwell Rode one, also owned an Africa Twin, lots of good options out there, but - the 890 is WAY!! more fun.
100,000,000%
i was considering both recently, and got the t7 based on price and reliability
Yeah, i made the same choice for the same reasons. Never regretted.
@@MrIdiotique how does it handle the street? can you go hit up corners aswell?
@@96Soenke Drives like a charm, in my opinion. But you‘re asking the wrong one... i‘m still some kind of beginner, startet riding last year and she is only my second bike. 😅
Nice comparison. On my relatively short test ride of the 790 I didn't have the time to get entirely comfortable with it. I blame this on the fact that I'm used to more street oriented bikes. I'll definitely test the T7 after the winter, but I can't help to think that I'll want more power. Having tested the MT09 and Tracer 900 and enjoying that inline 3 I can't help but wondering if there's a Ténéré 900 in the making. It seems it would make a really good compromise between power and versatility, while still being comfortable enough for touring, but I might be wrong...
Great review, thanks! I've had several Yamahas over the years... dirt bikes and a couple of road bikes. Completely reliable, all of 'em. I had a Yamaha TT350 farm bike that was abused for 20 years by two generations of vigorous young riders and only ever required an occasional oil change, chain and sprockets and some air in the tires. Other makes have cost me now and again with failures and issues. When I reflect, my Yamahas have been bullet proof. I've had KTM dirt bikes (15 years ago and beyond) they were ace but a bit highly strung, performance over reliability, and as you say, pricey and frequently in the shop. Now in my retirement years, I'm thinking of ditching my 1200 adventure bike (Triumph Tiger 1200 XCA) for a more nimble 700 Ten. Maybe the Triumph Tiger 900 Rally. Definitely in the market though, so thanks for the insight.
I do not want to wait for the stars of the mechanical gods to align for me to go riding. if my bike sees the wrench treatment that often, I better have bought it for under a grand. xD
I've never met a KTM owner who didn't have a shop story. I can't afford a pit crew or a mechanic team. I'm not that rich. Gimmie that Tenere already Yamaha!
Thanks for the review, while we’re all requesting our wish lists for testing, I’d love to see the Husky 701 LR in the mix as well. Seems a good option against the T7.
Thanks for the idea, we will add it to the production list. Although it’s a little difficult to compare single cylinder and twin cylinder adventure bikes. Significantly different characteristics based on weight, size, etc. and so the rider probably just needs to decide on what their ratio of paved versus non-paved riding will be, how much luggage, how long of distance, if they want a happy passenger, etc.
Awesome comparison! I would love to ride both but $ is always an issue. I also wanted to compliment you on the channel and how you respond to so many comments. Not an easy thing to do! You and your crew are killing it.
Victor, thanks, we're having fun with the Channel growth, and knowing that folks are enjoying the videos. More ahead, and let us know which of those bikes you grab first. As someone pointed out early today: No matter which it is, don't worry.....you won't be thinking about the other.
Would you recommend the 700 for a 6'-4" 295lb novice rider? Currently have a Super Tenere 1200, kicked my butt in gravel.
Tough to say, depends on the type of riding. Simple, flat, hard-packed gravel shouldn't be too much of a challenge on any size/weight bike? But yea, if it's thick and soupy, and technical, rutted gravel.... you may appreciate the Tenere 700's roughly 150-few pounds. Maybe need to replace the rear spring, as the OEM is probably way-off for your weight. --- Have fun and let us know how it goes.
I also own a T7. flew out to west coast and rode 3000 miles home.. spent about 500 miles offroad. it is a phenomenal bike. ive been riding dirt bikes for 25 years and while this isnt a dirt bike, it sure surprised me with its capability. climbing silt hills, plowing through sand and rolling down steep rocks at moab with stock tires made me a believer. i was hitting 100 mph on the freeway with 120 pounds of gear without a sweat. at 80 mph i was getting 55 mpg. the bike is just a joy to ride. the seat will break in over time but id still recommend a new seat.
i sold my vstrom 650 modded and im about to sell my modded dr650.. i put about 1500 bucks in accessories into the tenere and all thats left is the seat. im more than happy with the power and was hesitant with tubes but i proved on this trip that they can survive a brutal long distance ride.
Shoot. Sounds like I owe you one for giving me a big direction toward checking out the T7 to replace an XT Vstrom. I got a used with new with warranty fully modded 3,300 miles '16 XT Vstrom 650 in Boise in June and road around seeing cousins, to the Oregon coast, and back through ID/Black Hills to PA. Did 7 off road sections also around 500 miles, including 103 miles Owyhee backcountry route into Oregon, and from Salmon Idaho over into MT; Hells Canyon (to overlook/snow/mud). Tubes... hmm I did have to plug a tire with 125 left to home in the rain when some cars hydroplaned and left bits of glass all over the TP (jjjjust in front of me, got lucky on Shinko 800's that saved my day). Looking for something with a touch more suspension and maybe more grunt.. lighter would be better.
@@galehess6676 i put 30000 miles on a vstrom650 on big trips to alaska, newfoundland labrador etc. took the bike places i shouldn't offroad.. that being said, theres no way i could take the vstrom where i took the tenere 700.
as i was saying earlier, not a dirt bike... if you plan to do nasty, off camber muddy trails than the lighter the bike the better (drz400, ktm500 etc) but for everything else, i was more than confident in the bikes ability.
i will say that on occasion i do miss the 19-17 wheel combo from the dl650 vs the tenere 21-18 because the front tire was much wider and could handle pavement turns just slightly better but its a compromise im willing to live with. it still handles turns great just not 100 percent planted like the vstrom could do .
@@galehess6676 hows hells canyon? i had to flip a coin and ended up passing on it :(
Devil's Tail is 20 miles of solid nice twisties for a Vstrom.... (definite worth it/highlight) ..turns are piled on top of each other for an hour of ~35 MPH. Chill a bit at the dam/visitor center, look for mountain goats on the canyon wall... then back and the 20-75' drop off to the water being on the west side of the road is cool both directions, as that side of the road is all open out over the water/boaters/fishermen... lava rock outcroppings and pull offs. Cool people at the visitor center by the dam just hanging out looking for mountain goats... Before hitting that section, I first road up from Baker City (see the Oregon Trail National museum!!, I did not, wish I had) /Union, OR, to Hat Point to view the canyon at the northern view point ... the road from Joseph (last weekend in July the world's most legit rodeo out in nowhere Joseph, OR) comes into Imnaha Oregon paved, and leaves unpaved and 18% ("No Trailers. No R.V.'s") ... 24 miles later, you run into a foot of snow and hoof it the last 1.5 in yer moto boots because how far could it be to the observatory lol. Saw a Bald Eagler soaring just over my head, fishing, as I road back out. I was pretty happy with Devil's Tail and would guess it's as good as anything like it (eg North Carolina's Tail of the Dragon).
I've an older KTM 1190 ADV R and I must admit that I just love the complex electronics. I'm a rookie and it's nice to know that when I'm pushing over my limits the bike keeps me safe. If you're a pro you don't need any help from the bike, but if you don't have enough experience for such heavy bikes, it's good to have a smart motorcycle that doesn't allow you to to stupid things and die lol.
Love the honest opinion. So many guys are afraid to speak honestly and not give their personal opinion when comparing bikes. Great review!
Thanks! 👍 More reviews ahead.
Great Review.. Remember if you have an acident such as when I hit a Deer with my Yamaha Street Bike .. Headlight forks Radiator ect is way chepaer on the Yamaha ..
I really like the Low Center of Gravity Tank on the KTM .. Wish the aftermarket made one for the Yamaha .. that KTM skid plate looks really cool too ..
For me I think I will go for the Yamha to save money .. Also I think the KTM needs premium gas which costs 60 cents per gallon more.. than 87 Octane ..
I would love to hear maintenance considerations added to these reviews. I ride substantially alone, preventative maintenance, simplicity, and reliability are critical out on trails with no cell coverage. Thank you for an informative comparison.
Tenere.
Totally agree with your review man :) I've done a test with these 2, on and off road for 3 days and I love the T7 because it reminded me of my 950 adventure (imagine that) from a handling/feeling point of view, except I felt the weight of the gas up top (the 950 has down low tanks too). So my question for you is did it bothered you to feel the weight of the gas up top every once in a while? (T7's geometry kind of cancels that feeling occasionally, but not for example when you lean it on a side while slow off roading)
You mentioned again the reliability issues of the KTM. Here in Europe I believe that the last 10 years or so they have proven their reliability and that's why they have earned a big portion of the market. Is that different in the US? Great review, love your channel guys 💪🏻
I love Bikes, and have no particular axe to grind with KTM, but I do know a person who runs 'Adventure Tours' for groups, and privately he tells me his heart sinks every time his group includes two particular European brands, he say the backup truck is always busy, but never with a Japanese brand...
@@garethpepin6167 I don't own a KTM but I think that's a bit unfair. As far as I know the problems they had are far left behind and the last dacade or so they are not only reliable but also won races at probably every competition.. And the most recent is moto GP.
GreekAdvRiders, thanks for sharing, but pardon, we have to agree with what @Gareth Pepin is saying. The Hondas and Yamahas we have in our rental/touring operations simply do not have failures (other than those caused by crashes), and yet every time we turn around it seems, another KTM is having an issue. I mentioned the headlight staying on (killing the battery) and the non-breathing fuel tank in the video. Sometimes the 790's don't start right away, but need a few pushes of the button to stay running. That's something no Honda or Yamaha has a problem with these days. Plus all the other things folks are reporting about their KTM's, we have no reason to tell anything other than the truth.
@@RIDEAdventures I appreciate your answer and of course you have more experience with those bikes than we do. Cheers guys 👍🏻
@@GreekAdvRiders with respect, clearly problems are current, not historical, I was delighted to see the KTM Motogp win, this is great for Motogp ! However you really cannot compare reliability of a Motogp bike with a privately owned machine, have you any idea of the cost of running a Motogp team, and the mechanical care taken to make sure the machines run without breaking for 70 Miles each race ? I think this has no relevance to us normal owners.
Excelent presence and inspireing to watch! When i did this back to back test last year i already had the the 790R and was happy with that after the back to back ride. However, the T7 points really nice in curves and was very stable and predictable. Missed the punch and suspension though. The more rough it got the more i appreciated the 790R. Keep it up and share what ever you want with us!
Mattias, thanks for commenting, and the good feedback. Suspension is a tough one to comment on, with ever-changing terrains and the dynamic situation inherent to riding. Yep, that steep swingarm of the Tenere 700 feels like a little more of a 'kick in the tail', as was mentioned in our Tenere 700 Pros and Cons video: ruclips.net/video/XsJTztRwem4/видео.html
For me it had to be reliable and affordable so my choice was the Yamaha. I'm just under 1500 miles now and very happy with my choice. The t7 is far more capable than I likely ever will be! Great video, ride safe everyone!
Thanks for sharing! Lots of time and miles/km's ahead to enjoy with your T7. See you out there.
Bleed orange been riding KTMs for last 10 years and just ordered a 2021 Tenere 700 pick it up in April already bought $2200 extras so I hope it’s as good as everyone says it is 😋
Love the Orange, too, but 1 of our 790 R's on tour in Baja right now just had to have it's steering bearings replaced with like 7000 miles on it, and 1 of the 790 Standards had master cylinder issues with about the same mileage. High performance.....nicely-powered...just lacking in reliability. Have fun with your Gazelle.
What about weight management and feel comparison of both ? really interested in the "weight feel"
Good question, but one that’s difficult to articulate a response for. While the saddlebag fuel tank design does help keep that weight low on the KTM, being able to distinguish this and “feel” a clear difference is very difficult. Two different bikes with many different factors, it would take sophisticated measuring equipment to check “lean angle weights” and such. Perhaps the answer comes through in my overall sentiments, that I do prefer riding the Yamaha. as in, without having those saddlebag fuel tanks, still The Yamaha “feels better,” - Thanks for commenting.
@@RIDEAdventures I believe the Yamaha comes in at a bit of a weight advantage over the KTM which might help handling, but not by much.
The reliability is such a huge factor especially when these bikes are used for the purpose that they are built for. Hopefully other manufacturers will see that people don’t want all the gadgets. These bikes will hit road mud sand gravel water - no place for gadgets.
True the ride loses its soul with gadgets, well said mate
True that! Maybe a good practice for manufacturers is to present you with 2 options, with or without the electronics. There are older riders who don't need them sure there are younger/other riders who need them so why not have it as an option?
ive got a 790 R, if crashed it more times than i can count offroad, dumped it going up hillclimbs, low sided it on pavement, tumbled it down rocky trails, havent had a single issue with the bikes gadgets or anything for that matter. and as for not needing them, theyre turned completely off with a quick press of the controls lol.. so many people are quick to point at the ktm and call it unreliable just from what a couple people on forums may have said. 7500 kms on mine, and not a km of it has been easy riding. and not one hiccup
@@GrammaGummers Good to hear they are improving. I had fuel/air sensor issues on my 2015 690 and never felt entirely relaxed after not being able to start it in the wild. My Super Tenere on the other hand was a swiss watch: bullet-proof and smooth as cat-shit on linoleum.
I just love riding my T7 offroad, it is there that it really shines.
I've ridden for many years never with traction control or abs.but now got t700 rally edition and I love riding it.
What is the comparison between weights of these two?
Should be about 452lbs Yamaha, and KTM at 464lbs wet or so.
I prefer reliability. Period. Save rest of the money to travel around.
Thank you for this. I LOVE the way the KTM looks, but it just seems too trail focused, and I'm looking at maybe 70% highway, 30% rough road. I understand Yamaha is very reliable, and I like the 700 (I haven't ridden since my children were small) don't want anything above 800 cc. I'll check your other videos, but I'd love to see your reviews/comparisons of the BMW 800, Kawasaki Versys 650, Triumph 900, or maybe the Honda CB500. I can do without a bunch of heavy technology on a bike for gosh sakes....it's just more stuff that breaks.
Thanks for a great review. I have a question re the T700 as it relates to how it carries its weight.
After 30k kms I am real tired of picking up my 2013 (TOP HEAVY) KLR from its favourite resting position....on its side, on the ground😡
On the other hand, during that same period of time and within its 19k kms, I have yet to drop my Super Tenere which weighs 143lbs more than the KLR🤔🤔
So my question is how does the T700 compare with the KLR in particular with respect to its centre of gravity?
Thank you again.
Not sure if you meant to say "KTM" but instead wrote KLR (being that it was a KTM vs. T700 review.) We don't have any KLR's in our rental operations right now, and of course it would take some pretty specific weight measuring to confirm with precision, but the T700 being heavier, and approximately the same height as a KLR 650, it's pretty easy to say the T700 will feel heavier when picking it up. Kind of hard to compare twin cylinder bikes with singles in that regard, and accordingly, how they will feel on open-stretches, and long-hauls when compared to each other. Thanks for commenting.
That was a great summary. I own a Yamaha XT660R and I'm thinking of replacing it maybe next year. How would you compare the old XT to the Tenere 700 ? Will it be as good ans my old one especially off road?
Kind of tough to compare a single cylinder to a twin that weighs so much more, but the XT660's have been great, reliable bikes in rental operation for a long time. As I'm a bit heavy, it sure lacks a bit in power, but still, a useful bike. Certainly the preferred bike for more technical terrain (much lighter.) -- Eric
@@RIDEAdventures Thank you Eric, I guess I have to get a test ride to compare the two.
First of all great channel , I want to ask you is it Yamaha Tenere good beginner bike for a guy who weights 210 pounds and his height is 6,5 feet . I have never raid a bike . My goal is to commute and explore gravel roads around my place.
Thanks for that comment. ---- Key words you said (beginner, commute, explore gravel, etc.) make it sound like the the T7 would be perfect for you, but at your size, you may want to transition to one of the bigger 1000cc+/500lbs+ adventure bikes as time goes on, and once you're past 'beginner' status. Ultimately, we can't confirm fitting though....maybe the T7 will be your perfect bike for many years to come. Have fun!
Great comparison, but how many people pay cash for bikes? I feel pretty confident saying most people buy bikes via a loan, so they really aren't $3500 poorer on the day they bring the bike home.
I own a KTM and a Yamaha and the cam chain tensioner failed on my Yamaha so I was without it for a summer (due to parts on backorder). So they don't hold special status in my book. I am glad we have two great bikes to choose from. Cheers
The trails i ride are 10 minutes from my garage, so my dual sport bike is a 2018 KTM 350 EXC-F...super light, with a few mods goes as fast as I want to go, and feels ultra light, and incredible suspension for the kind of riding I love most. I agree completely with you on the KTM 790 electronics issues, I would never want to deal with that fear of electrical problems, too bad KTM does not offer a model without all the electronics. I also think even middle weight adventure bikes like the two in this video are too heavy for moderate to technical off-road riding, unless you are an advanced level rider. It makes sense to have a middle weight adventure bike that you enjoy, and then have a dedicated lightweight dual sport like the KTM 350 or 500 for serious fun off-road. Great video, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for commenting, and yea, depending on the type of riding/terrain a rider will be doing, hopefully they're picking the bike that matches. ---- We are limiting the # of KTM's in our fleet operations until they show greater signs of reliability. Going thick with Honda and Yamaha for now, and the customers are loving the bikes.
Demoed a T7 and it was pretty nice. Got my Africa Twin up for sale decided I did not need all the electronics and 1100 cc motor but still a really cool bike.....
Both ultimately reliable, solid, great value bikes. Enjoy that T7 though....what a ripper : )
Can you please compare the Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro to the KTM 790 Adventure R?
It's on our list of many, many things to do : )
So would the T7 need a suspension upgrade? Read several places that if you are over 75 kg. or so, it could do with a stiffer suspension.
Pretty sure 75kg is about the "standard weight" most mfg's are sending bikes out sprung for. Best to try it with original springs first, and decide from there.
@@RIDEAdventures With all the gear on most of us are quite a bit over 75 kg. :-).
Great Job. I have a Tenere 700 on order and it will be the 2022 model year. $12,300 out the door including our lovely 8.9% sales tax here in Washington State. I just found a 2021 890 Adventure R with RallyPack, Quickshift and Cruise control for with 5600 miles for 15,250 including said sales tax. I can pick the KTM up next week or wait who knows how long for the T7. Struggling with this decision.
Doug, tough one. Even if money wasn't a factor, some of us still prefer the T7. Sounds like you have good times ahead either way, so congrats, and thanks for the note : )
I just bought a 2019 Triumph Scrambler 1200 XC 13,000km ago - love it! My previous bike was a 2013 Triumph Tiger 800 - also loved it. (5 years - 93,000km) Perhaps you could do a comparison between the Scrambler 1200 and something similarly priced - maybe an Africa Twin? Not a GS1250 - much more expensive and better on road. Or maybe the new Tiger 900 vs the Scrambler 1200? Great channel! Dave
kvman50, all bikes that are 'on our list,' so stay tuned. Triumph is a little more rare for us though, as we only offer them for rent in Chile at this time. Haven't introduced them in the U.S. market yet, as we don't have a dealership here in Bend, Oregon yet. Thanks for sharing and the compliment, Dave.
Got the Yamaha
love It
Don't miss a thing
Always Room for improvement But Love it !!
I've a 2009 Yamaha FZ6-S2, and a 2015 KTM-1190 (non-R) which I got for motocamping trips.
The Yamaha had ZERO failures in 5+ years and over 40k miles on her. Including putting Pirelli MT60 tires on the otherwise 100% street bike and getting into places which I dare to say - many folks on those GS-1250S don't go. All I did was change the oil&filter, brake pads, air filter (all of the above is SUPER EASY with the Yamaha). Did the 24k mile valve adjustment and plug replacement done at a corner shop. Just the regular stuff. Bike works like a charm!
The KTM, well the only "real" issue it had was the fuel guage not working. Which was fixed by sanding down the float a bit. Why must one do that on a bike with $15k + MSRP in the first place is questionable... Otherwise the bike is solid mechanically, but fails electrically. I took a pretty hard spill on the KTM and the bike was fine. But it does, from time to time, have weird electronic/software issues. And the TPM light comes on when rear pressure goes below 36 PSI. Which is silly. That much is ONLY needed for 2-up AND full luggage. Riding alone there's no reason at all to pump to the rear to the "manufacturer recommended" 42 PSI.
Tested the KTM-790-S last year. Does feel lighter, but also overly electronic. And does cheap out on some features the older 1190 has, while being... not that cheaper at all, (in fact costs more than the 5 y/o 1190).
Used to be a BMW fan but lately they are soo crap, both quality and practicality-wise (no spare tires in X3, wtf are they smoking???) so I got a used Lexus instead. Think I'll go back to Japanese bikes, too.
Only thing I don't like about the Tenere is tubular tires. Tubeless is perhaps the one thing I'm willing to pay a few hundred more upfront for not having to deal with on the roadside. I don't ride hard enough to bend a rim badly, but have caught screws. Plugging a bike tire is easy. Replacing a tube - not so much. In fact never done it, and not too eager to ever need to.
Pretty good options out there it seems for converting tubed-rims to tubeless. Not citing any yet, but expect we'll have some reviews and info on this subject in the future. Thanks for sharing.
interested in the tyres on the KTM - looks like Dunlop Trailmax Mission? and if so, your review would be much appreciated - have been running them on a Tiger 800 XCa both on the road and in the dirt and I think we may just have found the perfect 50/50
In this video, the KTM had the Heidenau K60 Scouts, which we'll be posting a review on in 2 weeks. We'll add the Trailmax to the list : ) Thanks for sharing.
Love my 660Z Ténéré and would snap up the 700 in a heartbeat - the simplicity and price wins it for me - but the KTM does have that 'beast' element that appeals....
thank you. Yes, the Yamaha for me I think - reliability, simplicity, plenty of squirt but puts the onus on me to ride properly using the whole skill set (ABS on/off is all I really wanted). And it sounds as if the Yamaha is there ready to assist in this regard, lack of fancy electronics notwithstanding, simply because it has been well engineeered..
A couple of spark plugs, a couple of wheels .... nice and simple, we love it, too : ) Thanks for sharing.
Went with KTM and loving it.
All sympathy Mate :)
@@africam5749 haha no issues here mate us Aussies r loving them and they get put through hell in our outback
@@MartyDavey give it time and you will be broke down.
Hello, I tested both bikes, and indeed both are excellent bikes.
I have a small preference for the KTM for its little grain of madness that it gives in addition.
Suspension, engine, lightness of the front axle ...
We feel too much the weight perched high on the Yamaha.
Thanks for this comparison and everyone is happy.
Thanks for sharing, and yea, both are a riot to ride. That madness of the KTM is hard to ignore....the Lion that "snaps" and shreds what it wants. Glad we all have options, and of course the goal should be to own both bikes : )
Great, balanced review with great editing and no-nonsense graphics full of useful info, thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the note. More videos ahead : )
How much does each bike weigh now with all after market parts fitted. I own a KTM 950se not selling better than both of them with a 190 kg weight
Today my 2020 790 R hit 10,000 trouble free km. The only thing I have done is re
placed the Karoo 3 with Anakee Wilds, A world of difference. This bike is as reliable as my Toyota Tacoma but much more fun.
I’m sure your Taco is plenty fun off road. Two great choices though
I have ridden both bikes, and both are great middleweight adventure bikes. I would also recommend adding the SWM Superdual-X into the discussion. It is lighter than either with proven reliability. The simple electronics are identical to the Yamaha and the value proposition is fantastic.
Thanks for sharing! We've heard good things about the Superdual-X, but find it difficult to compare single and twin-cylinder bikes. Kind of an apples and oranges thing.
@@RIDEAdventures I personally disagree, the bikes intended use us the same so whichever bike does the job best should get thrown into the mix. I would also throw the Husqvarna 701 LR into the discussion since with its added fuel range and electronics suite it would make for a seriously capable adventure mount in the same price bracket.
was on the market for one of those bikes, ended up w KTM, since Yamaha was crawling on the ocean floor for months to get into USA and when they snail speed arrived people paid rather more over asking price, what a craziness , 790 didn't annoyed me yet, will se what time tell, nice video, thnx!
Could you please tell me the brand of crash plate on the 790?
Looks like an AXP branded product.
Excelente review, Yamaha simplicity and reliability rules.
Thanks!
Both great bikes ! I own one of them but travelled a lot with both on and off road
Up to 70% of MY potential t7 easier and better
70-100% Ktm is alone
Traveling and twisting on road 790 much more fun
Price matters though for dirty toys
Have fun with your buddies
Get out and ride
Bike choices are not so important
After riding both for me it was clear which bike to buy. It wasnt about electronics or cost or other technical things. It was about enjoying the ride. One i realy loved to ride and the other one i absolutly didnt like.
So my advice would ne. Ride both and listen to what yout guts telling you. Theses bikes for me are very different. And to decie was very easy.
Keep on riding
Wait, you forgot to tell us which one you picked?
@@RIDEAdventures Smile and that was for a reason. For me it isnt important which one. Maybe a KTM Tenere or a Yamaha 790 R? My other bike is a BMW 1200 GS, i am riding the GS for the last 7 years and will continue and before the 1200 GS it was a BMW 1100 GS for 16 years.
@@ParagliceCayenne, excellent. As we offer motorcycle rentals across multiple brands, the only 'brand loyalty' we have is towards the bikes that cause us the fewest issues and problems. The 790R is in high-demand, but we hesitate to buy more until the many glitches we've had, and others that are looming over us, are taken care of. Thanks for sharing.
@@RIDEAdventures that last reply was all that was needed - you put your money where your mouth was :)
That slim and elegant machine is outstanding!
Thanks for the great review😉
Had money in hand and a pre-order placed after selling my WR250R and waiting for the T7. After getting screwed by that debacle and being told it'd be November before I could get a bike, I bought the 790r and honestly I'm glad I did. It feels lighter in the saddle to me. Once I learned the balance point it feels like it turns better at low speed and high speed it's more stable for me. I'm sure I would've been happy with the T7, I still love the bike but Yamaha made some very bad decisions in way of the American release and it resulted in many people like me taking that $10,000 and driving to the KTM dealership to check out the 790 instead. So really, Yamaha's reliability only extends to the work put into the actual motorcycle, unfortunately not as much into getting bikes to customers. Also, got my 790 R for 1k less than all other dealer lists in the country so my difference was only about $2,200.
Yea, 2020 was a tough, tough year for any manufacturer to have a release of a bike scheduled. Glad you've got a bike you're enjoying.....
Awesome take on both these bikes! I’m moving off the touring Harley (2017 Ultra Limited 70,000km) onto an adventure bike and these are both top contenders! The test ride will seal the deal. I love long rides but looking forward to the road less travelled in my backyard of the Rocky Mountains.
Gary GnU, welcome to the world of options that come with bikes like these. You'll enjoy either one, no doubt, and live in the right place for them. Enjoy!
Thank you Eric for a very nice review. From what I have heard over the last few months, you are right on the money. For me it is an easy choice. If I go adventure riding, I want reliability and simplicity. When you are days from the nearest shop, you don't want electronic problems. I beleive you can anything with the Tenere that you can do on the KTM and I will be ordering my Tenere here in France, where it is built, by the way.
Keep doing these honest reviews. We all need them and it really helps.
Thanks for sharing, did not know they were producing T7's in France? Interesting. Great bike though, and you'll love it .... probably for many years if you so choose. RIDE on!
@@RIDEAdventures Yamaha has a plant just outside Paris where the Tenere 700 is built. They produce them like hotkakes now and have a hard time keeping up with the demand. As far as I know, it is for the whole of the European market and maybe North Amerika. Not sure!
why they have different turnlights on the bikes like in europe? in europe they have LED turnlights...
DOT regulations.
Great review, usually I get upset if the video does not state which bike they truly prefer over the other but I felt that without saying it you really did say which bike you prefer. Which I actually kind of like because it doesn't necessarily put one bike down over the other. The video also helped confirm which bike I want. I'm a huge KTM fan, I've owned 4 KTMs so far... but I've also owned Yamahas and loved those as well. I think I'll go blue over orange this time.
Thanks for the reminder, good thing a final "winner" was announced. Especially in this topic of adventure riding, and ever-changing, dynamic riding conditions, it's hard sometimes to say with certainty which of two great bikes is better. A dark Orange cloud of maintenance concerns looming overhead probably hasn't helped us love the KTM any more, and something about how that T7 "gallops," is just so inviting.
Both good bikes but the KTM 790 was a no brainer for me. Yup, I paid more but for more suspension, more HP, more torque, better balance with low gas tank, and more electronics that equates to better safety on the road. Good luck upgrading that with the T7. My reality is that I have to ride more road than off-road to get there. The added features that the TFT display offers are also great. To each their own but this is my first KTM after owning several bikes and It's truly a blast. It's been rock-solid reliable and I've put it to the test. To each their own, but basic is too basic for me.
Great comparison of 2 great bikes, but I will choose Japanese simplicity and reliability every time. Less tech, less that can go wrong
Paul, we're not alone in this strategy then. The fun/drama that comes with fixing issues truly has led me (Eric) to some of the most outstanding travel experiences (in some back alley in Bolivia, fixing whatever issue however we could with complete strangers.) But yea, when it comes to completing a travel mission, on any kind of a schedule, reliability goes a long way. Thanks for sharing.
I use to think so too. But the adjust on the fly "Rally Mode" is a game changer for me. I will also never buy an adventure bike without cruise control and tube-less tires again.
Great video, keep the good humor going. I’m sold on the T7.
Thanks, will do. Thanks for noticing the fun. Just by chance, we've nodded to 3 different Jim Carrey scenes now in just the past 3 videos : )
Can I have a Tenere 790 please, the simplicity, slimness and asthetic of the Yam with the power and suspention travel/quality of the Kato.
Excellent. As predicted near the end of our original T7 review, it'll likely be a T8 within a few years : ) - ruclips.net/video/XsJTztRwem4/видео.html
Great review. For me the decision was simple. I prioritize reliability and low maintenance over everything. I would rather be riding then trailering my motorcycle to the shop every weekend because the fancy features are malfunctioning. Sounds like you've had quite a few issues with your 790's. The dealer I purchased my Tenere from is also a ktm dealer and he said his service shop is always full of orange.
We've got a lotta love for Big Orange, but yea, hesitate to buy more for operations (aka. "Customer's Vacations.") Thanks for sharing.
Thanks, this really helped me make my choice. Here in the Philippines reliability is key. I’ve had amazing bikes but have had to have down time to maintain them. The T700 is the choice for me. It also helps that it looks amazing.
Great to hear, good choice! And yea, that T7 sure is handsome. We are having great results with them in our rental operations. Thanks for writing.
Nice detailed review, quick question how tall are you ?
I’m 6’2 and wondering if the KTM is a little small compared to the Yamaha ?
Eric is about 6'3", 260 fully-suited, and a 32" inseam. Yea, the KTM feels slightly more bulky, compared to the slender T7. Overall very similar stature and seat heights on these bike though.
@@RIDEAdventures Hey thank you for getting back so soon, great information much appreciated, ATB from the UK, new sub 👍🏽
What kind of tires on the KTM in your video?
Aaron, it's the Heidenau K60 Scout, which coincidentally, is the next video review we'll launch 2 weeks from today.
Huuum... an interesting comparative!
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the t7 is just perfect
simple and great on and offroad
I wish I could find a dealer with a T7 within 500 miles of me... Hoping winter will help
Go further, good excuse for a longer 1st ride home : )
@@RIDEAdventures I like the way you think :)
Best Review of these two bikes. He didn't mention that with the extra $3,500 you have left when you buy the Yamaha, you can upgrade the suspension, exhaust, good offroad tires, and still have money for a good adventure. IN MY experience, all the controls and electronics, fail more than they actually help you. Yamaha is my choice too!
Good point! Heck, the original suspension is pretty good to begin with, so hit the clickers, maybe change springs, and save the $$$ for the next big adventure. RIDE on!
Great vid, just the vid l wanted to see, l have a new 701 enduro at the moment and love the of road side of the bike but not the on road side.
I am about the same size as you and would like to change the 701 but cannot make up my mind can you help.
Thanks joe
Joe, the answer is clear: Own both bikes : ) ------- Ha, ha, it really just depends on what you want to do with the bike. The more you're on pavement, or high-speed, simple, flat fire roads....the more you'll appreciate a twin-cylinder adventure bike. The more single track, or 2nd/3rd gear type stuff, of course that 701 is the pleasure and treasure. So now....what will you be doing ........ : )
@@RIDEAdventures Eric,
Thanks for your time and quick response, l love the of road part but also going for long rides on the road, so you could say 50/50 bike is needed l was swaying towards the ktm until you mentioned the reliably issues or is that me over thinking, just another point as l am 6ft4 and 18 half stone which bike would you think would suit me, l have test ridden them both but only on the road.
Many thanks Joe.
Great comparison/review of both bikes. One question not answered here though, if one doesn't have the luxury of being close enough to the mountains to quickly ride to, and will have a sizeable highway/tarmac ride to get to the "off-road" part of the trip, would you rather do that on the KTM or the Yamaha?
Good question, and we need to do a better job commenting on “pavement prowess.” As both bikes have that excellent 21/18 inch wheel size combination and similar/traditional suspension configuration, there is a very slight difference in getting to the dirt. Perhaps the KTM, and its more girthy feeling, and extra 20 hp has an advantage here though. Slightly though.
This is a very important question!Appreciate the comparison, but it does feel like you should be comparing the 790 to F800GS and the Tenere to the 701 & 690. I have the 790 and it is my first Adv bike. Years of riding single track with KTM small bores and have nothing but success with them. The release of the 790 sparked an Adv fire in me. The nimble feeling platform is what attracted me and more importantly cruise control, traction control and it’s ability to get me to the mountains in comfort and safety. Just completed the WABDR in three days (for those who might, please don’t lecture me about not enjoying the roses, I have kids and wife to get home to and I bought the bike to attack the trail and get me home) it is about 600 miles of crappy (glorious) dirt roads and I had to ride 500 miles on asphalt in transit from home to trail to home. The 790 performed flawlessly, the ABS was turned off on trail but enabled on 500 miles of slippery wet asphalt. Both experiences were fantastic. The traction control helped me get up a challenging hill after a 370 mile day! I was happy to have it available to me. The 3 different ride modes (street, off-road, Rally) are tuned to perfection. I love this bike and it does exactly what I wanted it to do. Regarding maintenance, time will tell. Sheez, reading all these comments, I had to get that off my chest. LOL, I feel better now.
Well done. I'd like to find a T7 Rally Edition.
Love the work you’re doing on reviews and would love to know a little bit about the range variance between the two machines in real world riding situations. I personally would probably lean more towards the generator 700 because I do enjoy the simplicity as well as lack of electronics but I’m reading on various blogs the guys are only getting about 130 miles on a full tank in the woods which I can do on my EXR 500
My phone auto corrected on me I apologize “tenere 700”
Jimmy & Heather Lewis talk about range in their review, as well, starting at around 06:20 (ruclips.net/video/Ymd4DDAP3J0/видео.html). They averaged around 45 mpg - totally reasonable, IMO. I've also read similar information on the T7's range as you mentioned above. My riding area has several legs wtih >220 miles between fuel stops; if I had a T7, I'd strap on extra fuel for peace of mind.
Thanks Karl. I will absolutely check that out.
Absolutely not true, I’ve gotten 240 miles out of a tank and half of that was hardcore offroad, I was very scared it was gonna run out of fuel and I probably was about to, but i made it to town in the end
@@dasboot9471 Thanks for the feedback on your Tenere 700 mileage. I’m sure you are living your machine as there is
Great review and well balanced. KTM Ready to Race DNA is great for a competition bike but less so for adventure and gentle riding on green roads; so I'd go T700. We are lucky we have such a great bike choice these days. I'm waiting for the used market at lower prices so someone else has already paid to depreciate it by scratching it up and covering in dirt.
Nice review with useful comparisons. Gonna check out more of your channel ! 👍🏼
Thanks for saying so. More videos ahead.
As an ‘adventure bike’, I would choose the Yamaha every time - way better reliability and less fancy gadgetry
Taking a KTM to a 3rd world country - just scary
Nice comparison - I think very accurate and unbiased
I don't even wanna take a ktm for a 100km ride away from home...
Perfect! Love this vlog you posted. Thanks for putting this together. T7 all the way.
Glad if the info helps, ride on!
Depending on location, a Triumph may not me feasible, but I would enjoy hearing your thoughts on the Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro. Weight, power, electronics, and good reliability....
Got the KTM... Have not had any issues and love it
Excellent, as we hope for KTM, we hope for more reports like this. How many miles/km's?
Great work on the comparison, also suggesting to do a full review from a loaded and pillion point of view.
Ahh, yes, a perspective we haven't addressed in any videos. Very similar situation though, the rear position on both bikes in this case. Anyone out there have Pillion experience on either or both that you can share?
I have the 790 Adventure R and couldnt be happier. My riding is more hard core off road but still with good road manners for the long bits of bitumen in between. I rode the Yamaha but for my style of riding it is not close to the KTM capabilities. I also have 7000klm trouble free riding.
I love KTM's dirt bikes. That is what I ride. But with that said, I am so happy I bought a T7. Simple, Good, value, reliable. The KTM adventure bikes other then the older bikes like the 990 and 950 and 690, they have issues. One of the biggest issues, the t7 is easy to service the air filter and the oil. Very happy with the T7.
A well-balanced review. I'm leaning more towards the Ténéré.
A year after making the video, we, and our Customers, tend to agree more and more. The T7 is outstanding in so many ways. What a value. Get them now before the go up 30% in price with the inevitable electronics and stuff they'll be adding.
@@RIDEAdventures Keep up the great work, guys. Greetings from the UK 🇬🇧
It’s a small point you mention but I personally think this is crucial. I’ve ridden road bikes for 45 years and just starting to get interested in Adventure bike riding. I’m discovering ‘off road’ riding is so completely different from ‘on road’ riding, your using your body in a whole new way to control the bike over different surfaces. To gain the skills and experience to become better at ‘off road’ riding you need a bike that requires the rider to develop ‘instinctual’ input behaviours and reactions. It would be preferable to buy the bike which does not have 000’s of ‘Modes’ and gadgets that do it all for you……..I’de buy the Yamaha T700.
Fit and finish aside, I don't know anyone that thinks the 790 looks better than that beautiful T7 rally look
guess me, The 790 just looks tougher, stronger, faster,,,,wait,,,thats because it is. Both amazing bikes, and pretty sad the other companies havent joined in on the real off road adventure thing, but I like the better performance on my toys and the ktm won.
@@zzim2853 Really nothing to argue about. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. To me the 790 looks like a Duke street bike with off road fenders. But that's just me.
Good simple honest review fo both bikes. Thanks.