EFAP Movies #60: The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King Extended Edition
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Good god! here it is! A wonderful celebration of the greatest trilogy ever PUT TO FILM!
Join us for a glorious adventure through the world of Middle Earth!
Complete with incredible characters going on thorough journeys to defeat evil once and for all!
This series of movies is famous for being that of immense quality and 20 years ago, The Return of the King was released in cinemas and entertained the whole world for generations to come!
We at EFAP wanted to give you guys an awesome experience to celebrate this anniversary and hopefully the commentary/editing gives yah a blast.
A sad reality is that this video, despite great effort, cannot be monetised unless given heavy copyright protection. There was a wall of copyright claims which, when you watch it... makes some sense but hopefully the experience isn't hampered.
Though it is worth mentioning that this was an incredible sink of resources for several editors and something like this cannot be made often without support from you folks.
What matters to us most is that it entertains the hell out of you and sets a celebratory milestone for some of the most inspirational movies of all time, make sure to let us know what you think! \o/
Editing credits (time relates to raw recordings worked on):
The Fellowship of the Ring:
Hour 1 - Mauler
Hour 2 - Mauler
Hour 3 - Mauler
Hour 4 - Mauler
The Two Towers:
Hour 1 - Fringy
Hour 2 - Mauler
Hour 3 - DasBoSchitt and Mauler
Hour 4 - Mauler
The Return of the King:
Hour 1 - Mauler
Hour 2 - Fringy
Hour 3 - Fringy
Hour 4 - Fringy
Additional polish/montage and animations - Wolf
Excruciating copyright protection passes - MauLer
Integration of chat (Please tell me it was worth it lmao) - MauLer
MauLer telling fringy about his mild arachniphobia and fringy laughing because the spiders in australia will fucking end you.
Even the harmless ones were created from my nightmares.
Don't go to Australia to research spiders right before you die, because the dying part won't take long.
I live in Brisbane Australia and our spiders that we get around here are the daddy long legs (DLL aren't much to worry about) and we get Huntsman spiders, Huntsman aren't venomous as such; but they are the size of an average man hand and can get up to the size of a dinner plate and the worst thing is that they jump which can be a bit scary. But once again aren't really venomous. The ones you have to worry about are White Tail, Red Back and Funnel web.
I'm just north of you.... We get all those. Add in the Golden Orb spider.... I hate them with a passion.
I'm usually looking for taipans and eastern browns on the ground then have a golden orb web wrapped around my face!
Isn't Fringy from New Zealand, or am I remembering wrong?
"I go to my fathers, in whose mighty company I shall not now be ashamed."
- Theoden the Great
Love that line and that entire scene!
Its works even better after Théoden calls himself "A lesser son of greater sires" In the book chapter The Voice of Saruman.
Bruh... you didn't have to 😭
“Suddenly the king cried to Snowmane and the horse sprang away. Behind him his banner blew in the wind, white horse upon a field of green, but he outpaced it. After him thundered the knights of his house, but he was ever before them. Eomer rode there, the white horsetail on his helm floating in his speed, and the front of the first eored roared like a breaker foaming to the shore, but Theoden could not be overtaken. Fey he seemed, or the battle-fury of his fathers ran like new fire in his veins, and he was borne up on Snowmane like a god of old, even as Orome the Great in the battle of the Valar when the world was young. his golden shield was uncovered, and lo! it shone like an image of the Sun, and the grass flamed into green about the white feet of his steed.”
this is epic. is this from the book? this is quite clearly the badass last charge of an old man, one last time moving like decades ago. we lost scenes like this in our post-post-postmodernism, I feel.
@@sztallone415yes. It is from the book. And it is one of the only references to the valar in the entirety of the trilogy. I think it might be the only mention by name of any valar other than Morgoth in the trilogy, but, seriously, don’t quote me on that
"And then all the host of Rohan burst into song, and they sang as they slew, for the joy of battle was on them, and the sound of their singing that was fair and terrible came even to the City."
@@jonarc2403 Elbereth is name dropped quite a few times by the Elves.
I just read this part to my son. Damn hard to maintain my voice. I had prepared for that moment for like a 100 pages, and still failed XD
"Out of doubt, out of dark, to the day's rising
he rode singing in the sun, sword unsheathing.
Hope he rekindled, and in hope he ended;
over death, over dread, over doom lifted
out of loss, out of life, unto long glory."
- King Theoden's burial poem
the musical adaptation of this by Tolkien Ensemble sounds wonderful (it's called Burial Song of Theoden)
RIP Bernard.
@@NicTheGreek1979
Fuck. RIP.
Faithful servant yet master’s bane,
Lightfoot’s foal, swift Snowmane.
I still can't believe that Gimli wanted Frodo to rot in Mordor...
Such a shame, feel like they could have gotten along
For NO REASON!
He was just upset at the blatent gayness between Sam & Frodo.
NOURGH REASON!
It's probably because he knew Frodo was going to frequently misspell his name in the inevitable book.
The best excuse to not send the Army of the Dead to Mordor, and makes sense canonically, is you wouldn't want to send a dead army to a place where a necromancer is in charge. I would imagine that even without a physical form Sauron would and could do something to counter them.
Hell...even Witch-king himself was a necromancer! It was him who was responsible for the Barrow-wights in the book...he send the evil spirits to possess the corpses in those burial mounds. So we have both big guy himself Sauron who is known THE Necromancer, and his servants who are also sorcerers capable of such arts :)...it doesn't bode well to bring an army of shades/ghosts of the dead....ESPECIALLY DEAD WORSHIPPERS of Sauron...the Dead of Dunharrow were once worshiping Sauron as a god.
"'[The] oath that they broke was to fight against Sauron, and they must fight therefore, if they are to fulfil it. For at Erech there stands yet a black stone that was brought, it was said, from Númenor by Isildur; and it was set upon a hill, and upon it the King of the Mountains swore allegiance to him in the beginning of the realm of Gondor. But when Sauron returned and grew in might again, Isildur summoned the Men of the Mountains to fulfil their oath, and they would not: for they had worshipped Sauron in the Dark Years.
'Then Isildur said to their king: "Thou shalt be the last king. And if the West prove mightier than thy Black Master, this curse I lay upon thee and thy folk: to rest never until your oath is fulfilled. For this war will last through years uncounted, and you shall be summoned once again ere the end." And they fled before the wrath of Isildur, and did not dare to go forth to war on Sauron's part; and they hid themselves in secret places in the mountains and had no dealings with other men, but slowly dwindled in the barren hills. And the terror of the Sleepless Dead lies about the Hill of Erech and all places where that people lingered.'"
The Return of the King, LoTR Book 5, Ch 2, The Passing of the Grey Company
So yeah....Dead "had worshipped Sauron in the Dark Years", not particularly safe choice to send straight towards Mordor or even towards it's main forces :).
Also, they weren't being called upon to serve Gondor anew, but to fulfill the obligations of the past through the descendant of the Line of Kings. That's why they play a much more minor role in the book, they were meant to redeem themselves by finally upholding their word to give aide to Gondor, not to surpass the oaths they swore in life by rampaging across Middle-Earth to slay the armies of Sauron.
Their lot beneath the mountain wasn't great, but they were still free men and like you pointed out, they would have a lot to risk by potentially forsaking that and becoming Sauron's thralls.
Had Aragorn asked anything more of them to pay their debt to Isildur, there's probably a good chance they would have told him to GTFO.
They paid their debt to Gondor; nothing more, nothing less.
I love the chat when Ride of Rohirrim happens. Both original and new chats spamming DEATH is fucking glorious!
Theoden a fkn badass paraphrase "we cannot fight them its an impossible battle"
"WE WILL FIGHT THIS BATTLE REGARDLESS! DEATH!"
Absolute definition of a Hero. And to not paraphrase^^:
Gamling: "We cannot defeat the Armies of Mordor in the Field"
Theoden: "No, we cannot. But we will face them in Battle none the less"
And damn sure they did. Legends.
This is in my opinion a better format than the video with all of them together because breaking them into their three parts allows you to reset and hear each film discussion on its own
About the army of the dead: A book element that is missing from the movie is the concept that Gondor has significant armies that are tied up in skirmishes along the coast with the men of Harad and Umbar. The function of the army of the dead is that they assist Aragorn in ambushing the corsair fleet at Pelagir; what they achieve is that they supernaturally terrify friends and foes (much like the Nazguhl do) a power that is even enhanced by Mordor's Shadow being projected across Gondor. They allow Aragorn to break a couple "minor" battles through terror alone, after which he dismisses the ghosty bois. He then proceeds to sail up the river in the captured ships gathering actual human soldiers from Gondor's scattered armies.
This is a much better use for them, it uses the established concept of supernatural terror from wraiths, while also paying off the worldbuilding of Gondor's wider struggle and gives Aragorn the opportunity to establish himself as the King in wider Gondor before coming to Minas Tirith, something which also dovetails with Denethor's story of his greatness slipping away from him and him losing his grip.
Obviously the wider worldbuilding doesn't exist in the movie, but I think it's weird for Peter Jackson to hate them so much from the book, and then proceed to make it significantly worse by having them just wipe out the seiging orcs. In the books, the orcs are trapped between Aragorn and his reinforcements (who come from where the orcs expect allies), the Rohirim and the prince of Dol Amroth leading a sortie from the city, broken by entirely mortal forces.
Yeah, the Army of the Dead being changed so much is one of the worst changes, in my opinion.
I wish they could have filmed a version with The Scouring of the Shire too, but that would be MUCH harder as it would require either a second set of Shire sets, or destroying the existing ones then rebuilding them.
THAT will be the future animated alternate version: Much more book accurate, longer, and a different adaptation, not one that directly surpasses Peter Jackson's version.
I once saw this on a major Ukrainian TV channel, with Ukrainian dubbing, and in the scene where Faramir leaves for Osgiliath again, Gandalf - I shit you not - says:
Faramir, your father loves me!
Bilbo Baggins (Ian Holm) used to sit at my bar in Manchester in 1988. Martin Hannett used to come in as well. He was played by Andy Serkis in 24 Hour Party People.
Ian Holm lived in Manchester? No way!
The beacon scene is simply magnificent. Théoden would have every right to let Gondor hang, but he knows that Aragorn, not him, won the Battle of Helm's Deep for Rohan. When Aragorn finally needs his help, he no longer hesitates, 'And Rohan will answer' is the perfect payoff of the dynamic between those two, they built up over two movies. 'You were willing to die for my people and so I am willing to die for your people.'
Lighting of the Beacons begins.
"Sce-ne-reeeeee! Sce-ne-ry proooooon! Sce-ne-reeeeee! Sce-ne-ry proooooon!"
And I'm okay with that.
Well, no... lol. It wasn't his willingness to die for "your people." He assessed he was looking down extinction.
@Montrovantis that risk was obvious from the moment Saruman was revealed as an agent of Sauron. All his reasons for not aiding earlier were about the Gondorians not providing aid.
@@frawDgnicnaD ...yep. ?
As a youngster it was exciting because you knew it was really significant. But also memorizing where all of the beacons were. 😂
[Smeagol has lost the argument]
One of my favorite lines from the book is when Gandald says " and Saramon needed to be shown that the power of his voice is waning. He cannot be both tyrant and councilor." It seems very applicable to these modern times
Ahh the good old days. Before the dark times. Before the subversion bs.
The big stone ball the Uruk uses in the Riot might be a clay barrel. Before wooden barrels, people rolled big hollow balls filled with beer/liquid instead. The reason they switched to wooden barrels is because once you opened the ball up there's no real way to cork it back up without it leaking.
Thanks for the fun fact! I like the idea that it was a present from Grandma more tho.
No matter how many times I watch these movies, I always cry by the end... My head gets filled with thoughts and heart with emotions.
29:41 This is actually the impression I got of the elves when reading the books. Can't remember now, but it was either Fellowship or the Hobbit the elves are described as singing and giggling while in the bushes outside of Rivendell. I remember thinking the elves are closer to what Rags is depicting 😆
Yeah. I'm pretty sure it was the Hobbit. Elves are a bit goofy in that one😅
@@runvti3274even at the beginning of fellowship id argue lol.
@@OccamAsylum True. But there's this serious tone with them also. Especially when the hobbits start to ask about the black riders. I think they feel more "elvish" than any elf in the hobbit.
And then you have the Silmarillion Elves who are all psychotic badasses who kill balrogs every other tuesday.
I mean in the book it's summed up pretty well by Sam:
"Elves here, and Elves there! Some like kings, terrible and splendid; and some as merry as children"
So they are both this and that...there are those super serious grim ones and those who are liking to giggle in the trees as you said....they are the Fair Folk, pretty fun to be around, the immortals who like no other would enjoy the life and it's pleasures and find joy in everything around them...but they can also be quite kingly in demeanor, serious when necessary, incredibly wise, unbelievably kind and understanding, but also tough when the need calls for it. Also they can show unbelievable sadness as they basically witness the changes in the world:
"'The love of the elves for their land and their works is deeper than the deeps of the Sea, and their regret is undying and cannot ever wholly be assuaged."
One of my favorite lines in the movie is when Theoden is imploring Wormtongue to reject Saruman. "Grima . . . come down from there. Be free of him." I don't know why, just something about the line "Be free of him" just has a lot of power to it. Especially from Theoden, who knows Grima had helped put him in the state that potentially caused his son's death.
The power in that line is found in simple acceptance. It's like Jesus spotting a doofy short man in a tree and saying, "come down. I'm having dinner at your place." There's so much love and forgiveness in such a simple line, and yet it remains unsaid.
People like to poke fun at the "My Lady!" guy, but really, what was he supposed to do? He's on foot, Arwen is on a horse and just decided to turn around. He can't stop or catch up to her. And it's not like we're given the impression that Elrond has ordered her onto the ship, and it's someones duty to make sure she embarks.
Hail the Return of the Wolf!
And isn’t that Bret from Flight of the Conchords?
@@bryannorton8945 Never saw it but IMDB says yes, he has a RotK credit as "Elf escort" lol, and uncredited as "Figwit" in Fellowship. Probably in the background at Elron's meeting.
@@tkopp10976 hahaha that’s awesome. I love flight of the conchords and thought one of them was in it
That's Brett from Flight of the Conchords, credited as Figwit (named for the face he made in fellowship "Frodo Is Great. Who IS That?")
I think non nzers refer to him as Britt
God these movies are amazing…the amount of love that went into these movies…cheers
The extended editions made an absolute killing in home video rentals and dvd purchases. Releasing the full version in theaters would've left a lot of money on the table.
In defense of the Army of the Dead in the Books (totally agreeing with Mauler that they are the biggest flaw in the movies btw): they are _not_ an army in the books.
Aragorn manages to bend the shades to fight for him in turn for forgiving their broken oath, yes, but in the books they _don't_ go to Minas Tirth and kill everyone.
All they do is attack corsair armies that were keeping most of Gondor's forces locked in the south. Lebennin and Harondor had _even bigger_ armies than Minas Tirith, but the men of Umbar and Harad had been keeping them locked in their lands, unable to travel the Anduin to come to Minas Tirith. Aragorn just uses the ghosts to liberate those armies. The ghosts don't even _fight,_ they just scare the absolute living shit out of the enemy allowing the soldiers to take quickly assault and defeat them.
It's the armies of Gondor that Sauron had forced to stay away, not an op instakill ghost army that ends up arriving with Aragorn and winning the day, and far from being "we got here, victory!" the arrival of those armies is basically barely the midpoint of the battle, almost all of the war is still to be fought after that.
If Jackson hates how overpowered the ghosts were, I have no idea why he decided to _make_ them powerful, when in the books they are basically a D&D Fear spell that is not even used in the war.
I honestly love the ghosts use in the movies. It's epic and pushes Aragorns arc in making the kingly choice of releasing them right than instead of throwing his hold over them as a lesser man would.
@@christophergirardi8145 that happens in the book as well
i think denethor (everything about him) is the worst flaw, but the ghosts undercut a lot of good stuff from the book as well
My guess would be time? The battle of the pelenor field is massive, with multiple players changing its course all allong. Having the ghosts allows it to not linger too much on that battle. Still would have liked my Swan Knights tho.
I feel like the ghosts in the movie undercuts Rohan's achievements, too. I mean geez, why charge into battle and lose half your men when you could've waited a little bit for Aragorn and his unstoppable ghost army to come in and save the day? That's probably why he never says anything to anyone, so the Rohirrim has to just assume he abandoned them on the eve of battle. It would've been better if Rohan took care of all the elephants on their own accord while Aragorn retakes the city itself with the liberated army of men.
"For Trungo"
There may come a time where I do not have the chickpea Grumbo *but it is not this day*
For Frugo
I will be DEAD before I see the chickpea grumbo in the hands of a Wumbo!!!
@@RorytheRomulan _"the Dwarf eats grumbo so loudly we could have shot him in the dark"_
"One does not simply order chickpea grumbo."
Watching my favourite films with the people I wish were my friends.
1:35:30 Uruk-hai going "we can't _spoil_ the Hobbits." Orc responds: "but _she_ can!"
Cut to Shelob "having her way with them."
Which makes Shelob in the Shadow of Mordor games so creepy.
She jabs them with her "stinger" until she goes as limp as a "bone" fish
@@dragonknightleader1 well book Shelob was still creepier :)....she mated with her own offspring to further spread her demonic kind like some kind of messed up black widow :)...Shelob's brood were the giant spiders of Mirkwood:
"Far and wide her lesser broods, bastards of the miserable mates, her own offspring, that she slew, spread from glen to glen, from Ethel Duath to the eastern hills, to Don Guldur and the fastness of Mirkwood. But none could rival her, Shelob the Great, last child of ungallant to trouble the unhappy world."
The game suddenly inventing her being able to shapeshift....even though she was clearl BORN in form of the demonic spider (that's the thing it's made clear that she is something more....a demonic entity in the physical spider-like form, capable of speech probably like the giant spiders in Mirkwood in The Hobbit, certainly intelligent and cunning, but bestial utterly selfish and uninterested in other things than growing stronger and feeding, she also seems tohave inherited some portion of the powers of her mother Ungoliant...Shelob is in the book at least capable of "weaving webs of shadow" that are something far stronger than ordinary spider web obviously, also she can create this "vapor of veritable darkness" she is referred as "power of night"). I mean the game could have easily had the Shelob in monstrus form interact with the player, in the book she was capable of making a deal with Gollum, and even influence his mind witih her mental powers:
"Already... Gollum had beheld her, Sméagol who pried into all dark holes, and in past days he had bowed and worshipped her, and the darkness of her evil will walked through all the ways of his weariness beside him, cutting him off from light and from regret. And he had promised to bring her food. But her lust was not his lust. Little she knew of or cared for towers, or rings, or anything devised by mind or hand, who only desired death for all others, mind and body, and for herself a glut of life, alone, swollen till the mountains could no longer hold her up and the darkness could not contain her."
The Two Towers, LoTR Book 4, Ch 9, Shelob's Lair
It would be way more interesting to have her as this sort of 'eldritch abomination' who can do things sometimes incomprehensible on a whim, but always being personification of primal hunger, a thing from horror, real monster.
There is a fraction of a second during the charge at Pelenor fields where you can see the orc lines collapse and route even before the cavalry hits them. Legendary morale break.
Imagine the power of the Home Depot of Rivendell 😂
They'd probably have a pretty extensive seasonal section.
Well Rivendell was refuge of the Noldor, who were greatest craftsmen among Elves :)...so yeah they would have great technical skills :), plus they are often artists and make all sorts of beautiful things...in book they even made special pipe for Bilbo:
""Bilbo laughed, and he produced out of a pocket two beautiful pipes with pearl mouth-pieces and bound with fine-wrought silver. ‘Think of me when you smoke them!’ he said. ‘The Elves made them for me, but I don’t smoke now.’ "
Rivendell is not extensively described but they showed certain carpentry skill...we're told about the carven beams and so on :) of the buildings hehe. Rivendell IS the Last Homely House east of the Sea.
Can't wait for me wacky, spinning, zooming editing.
i love how you can tell at the end, that froddo is not really comfortable in the " you bow to no one" scene. he wants out pretty much
Yeah, very true. I think when he accepted his task of destroying the ring he may have had an understanding of just how huge his undertaking was going to be but by the end of it he is overtaken by the ring and may feel that he actually failed by allowing himself to be consumed by it. This is when Gandalfs line about Gollum having a part to play for good or evil, by him ultimately destroying the ring comes to mind. It may well not be until after the "You bow to no one" line that Frodo begins to appreciate what he and Sam were able to do and he can begin to start healing but soon realises that his time with the ring has taken far more from him than can ever be healed or replaced and understands he has to sail to The Undying Lands.
@@TweeterAndTheMunkyMan yeah, very true. Agreed .
To me , it was more a show of how much Froddo has actually just … tuned out, that he wants to chill and be done with life ( not literally obviously)
@@manganimesYT Yeah, he understands that no matter what lies ahead for him it pales in comparison to what he's gone through and his journey to Mordor. He wants to be left alone but understands that The Shire folk, although they may not totally understand exactly what Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin have done, they will hold them in such high regard for the rest of their lives that he won't be able to ride off into the sunset whilst he remains in Middle-Earth. I also think Sam understands this and we see a little of that recognition in Sam at the Grey Havens scene. Were Merry and Pippin don't quite understand why he has to leave. They haven't been a ring bearers and won't understand the true toll it takes from him. This is also a good argument for why Sam is unlike anyone else in the whole story. He willingly gives up the ring, without help from Gandalf, and truly has no thoughts of ever regaining it or using it other than to rescue Frodo and see its destruction. I believe that Frodo knows that if not for Sam that the ring would continue to endure and that's why he leaves the final chapters of the book to be written by Sam. Not the Lord of the Ring but the only being not to be undone by its power and corruption. Tom Bombadil isn't undone by it but he doesn't appreciate the danger concerned with it's existence.
"I don't deserve this... I failed!" But he didn't fail thanks to the One Ring's own hatred of its discarded owner, Gollum/Smeagol.
1:44:35 The story told by PJ, Philipa and Fran about the writing and recording of "Into the West" (score playing at timestamp and final credits) is totally heartbreaking. It's regarding the passing of a young child who was a huge fan. The lyrics of the song are great at echoing the sentiments of Gandalfs description of travelling to the Undying Lands but it always hits that bit harder when you realise that they also had this young child in their thoughts when writing the song. Annie Lennox hits her performance out the park and I can't imagine anyone else singing this song.
What do you get when you cross an owl with a bungee cord?
My ass!
Kung Pao EFAP movie is absolutely needed
"Hail, the victorious dead!" is such a good line.
I don't understand why they wouldn't just bring back intermissions for the sake of movies that are 3 hours plus... or even 2 and 1/2 hours. You'd think they'd jump at the chance to give people the opportunity to go back out in the lobby and buy _more_ snacks and drinks, which is apparently where theaters make most of their money. It would be almost like double-dipping. But it doesn't even occur to them.
It's just "not done" anymore. That's it. That's 100% of the reasoning.
when the extended editions are shown yearly at our little hipster theater they do! they make a KILLING off of all the beer and tacos and junk that they sell during that intermission. I was talking to someone who works there and that's when they make the most money off of their tampon machines, too lol.
"Ride for ruin, and the world's ending!"
"DEEEAAAAAAATTHHH!!"
Bernard Hill (1944--2024 )
Farimer "I would gladly give my life for this city"
I really like the armor of the Fountain Guard of Gondor , guarding the white tree, they look sick especially with that winged helmet
Same. The fountain guard look amazing.
Rags mispronouncing everyones names is the best part of video
I do wish they had followed the description of the book more closely when creating Shelob. It really makes her out to be an actual alien with a huge bulbous body covered in armor with spindly legs tipped in huge claws.
There's actually almost nothing on earth more terrifying than spiders so the design they used is fine imo
RIDERS OF ROHAN, OATHS YOU HAVE TAKEN, NOW FULFILL THEM ALL!!!
sounds like simple speech in text, not much said really. **however** gets me in the feels everyttime, pure epicosity. same with the DEATH! speech
Thank you Guys for the journey on rhis trilogy. Look forward to watch more movies with you alo
Just got back from the comicon in kansas city. John rhys davies was there. Dude had a line the enitre time. Its really nice to see so many people adore Mr.Gimli as much as i do. I just wish i had the cash to meet him.
RIP King Theoden 😔
re: farimir borimir cosplay
its the third arrow that kills, if borimir was only hit with 2 arrows he would of been just fine.
Farimir knows the limits of tthe human body and only took 2 arrows, so he lived.
Tolkien was worried about "industry". He should see England now...Sauron won and the Orcs have taken over. 😢
It's just that the orcs have Skittles colored hair now and all identify as various made-up flavors of gender. That was all Sauron needed to do; just have the orcs identify as trans and then Gondor and Rohan would just have to say "Well damn, we can't fight against them now because if we do it would make us bigots and opressors"
I’m so sorry my friend. We suffer this loss with you. Ughh.. modernity..
Being ruled by Sauron seems like a good alternative.
Don't worry, diversity is your strength.
@@nobleman9393 well only in the beginning of his rule...when he still had some thoughts towards the wellbeing of his subjects.
"‘In my story I do not deal in Absolute Evil. I do not think there is such a thing, since that is Zero. I do not think that at any rate any 'rational being' is wholly evil. Satan fell. In my myth Morgoth fell before Creation of the physical world. In my story Sauron represents as near an approach to the wholly evil will as is possible. He had gone the way of all tyrants: beginning well, at least on the level that while desiring to order all things according to his own wisdom he still at first considered the (economic) well-being of other inhabitants of the Earth. But he went further than human tyrants in pride and the lust for domination, being in origin an immortal (angelic) spirit.’"
...
"It had been [Sauron's] virtue (and therefore also the cause of his fall, and of his relapse) that he loved order and coordination, and disliked all confusion and wasteful friction."
And also in other more obscure texts:
"For there arose a second manifestation of the power of darkness upon Earth: a new shape of the Ancient Shadow , it may be, or one of its servants that drew power from it and waxed strong and fell. And this evil thing was called by many names; but its own name that it took in the arising of its power was Zigûr, Zigûr the Great. And Zigûr made him self a mighty king in the midst of the Earth; and well-seeming he was at first, and just, and his rule was of benefit to all men in the needs of the body. For he made them rich, whoso would serve him; but those who would not he drove out into the waste places. Yet it was the purpose of Zigûr, as of Mulkhêr [Melkor] before him, to make himself a king over all kings, and to be the god of Men."
History of Middle-earth, Sauron Defeated,
The Lord of the Rings will forever remain the "perfect" movie trilogy. I highly doubt that we'll ever see movies that'll be able to rival LOTR, it's both beautiful and sad in a way.
Rags: *talking*
M: "no offense rags but i want to hear wolf's and Gary's thoughts on this"
W:*gives book thoughts*
G:*starts to talk*
Rags:*interrupts to continue talking*
😂
Whoever does the editing for this video deserves a medal
It's really shameful how much less they create nowadays with so much more resources.
Also, hi Wolf. 😁
The only thing I will credit the theatrical version vs the extended is the theatrical (in my opinion) handled the army of the dead better. In the theatrical Aragorn says he is the heir and fight for me and I will hold your oaths fulfilled. What say you? After that the film immediatly goes to Minas Tirith seige. It leaves the answer up in the air so you go through the entire Seige and Pelenor fields with an uncertainty as to if more help is coming. Where as the extended you get the skull avalanche (fun) into the ghost king saying we fight. In my opinion that kills a lot of tension in the Seige and Pelenor because we know we have an unbeatable ghost army on the way.
Totally agree
All the endings make sense because you need to have all these ending to wrap up all these characters.
"Go home, Sam!" *Sam looks down the stairs again* "I think I'll take my chances with Mordor."
re: Splinter Cell / Sam Fisherr Green Lights and Goggles that glow brighter the more hidden you are.
long story short itt was a meme in my family that every npc is able to see the glowing green but when they feel like investigating sam fisher yells out "I AM STEALTHY" and they decide against it.
I’m so excited for this just because lord of the rings will always be fun happy topic to watch with others
Seen this so many times, love your takes
The Return of Gilgo Gaggins!
1:33:30 One thing I recently learned about this scene is - when Sam returns, we see the shot of Shelob & Frodo from his perspective and you see his hand holding Sting, however Sean Astin wasn't on set that day and its actually Peter Jackson's hand we see holding Sting.
Best Insult for Saruman to Gimli would have been " You're short and your mother was beardless, also your beard is fake!"
FINALLY LIVE!!!!
I can't watch Theoden's death w/o tearing up.
1:04:00 the contention with the Army of the Dead stuff is weird because the book is very clear about how they are employed and Jackson deviated from how the book used them.
The army of the dead were good for ONE fight. Afterwards, they were gone. In the Book, when Aragorn, Gimli, Legolas, and the Dunedin (because there were others who came with Aragorn) left the paths of the dead, instead of just the Corsair fleet, it was an outright battle between the Armies of Gondor and the Corsairs. This is a tad odd because the film admits to the Armies of Gondor not all being recalled to MT (Gandalf asks where all the armies are), and yet it seems like they are all there for the duration of the film.
In the book, Aragorn only used the AotD for that battle the Gondorians had with the Umbar Corsairs. After, Aragorn took command of THAT army and sailed up the river. When he got there, he flew the Standard of the King right before making landfall. The mixture of initial confusion and another Gondorian army arriving was what turned the tide at the battle of the Pelenor Fields, not the direct use of the AotD. I feel like this could have been done skillfully in the films: show Aragorn and company exiting the PotD, seeing the battle between Gondor and the Corsairs, and declaring their need to assist. Then, later just have the Corsairs sail up the river like the film did, but have the Gondorian army pour out of the ships. The visual queue of the previous battle would have been enough for to identify what happened.
Rags was totally on point. They knew how to make haste because Shadowfax showed them.
I journeyed from the treat mountains of Raggle to the toxic pile of Maulers hovel and back again. Many years I wandered from one to the other before I found the golden Gates of Mooler.
Once those white shores opened I saw the future, the past and all in between. I trogded through the gooey swamps of Fringles bayou, I clunked and clanged in the land of Mootels German ingenuity and I found the keys to so many places I never knew existed and to those I once thought lost.
I discovered the magical island of EFAP and all its marvelous massives and I knew there and then that I was indeed, home. I now sit beside the fire and think of all that I have seen. - Bilbolus Bumbleton you magnificent hobbit you!
Imagine how epic it would be if people with the same passion, talent and determination as those who made this film made a movie series of the Bible. It's another truly epic and inspirational story that could be really great if properly adapted to screen.
Ah The Bible, otherwise known as The Silmarillion 😂. All jokes aside, yeah with real storytellers and great movie makers at the helm that would be awesome to watch. There's so much "content" that it's almost an unlimited well of great stories, myths and legends.
“Yeah, this movie is cool but what about Aragorn’s tax policy?
Also, I’m better than Tolkien because my story is so dark and mature. I killed my heroes and wrote a lot of rape scenes but I just can’t finish my last 2 books right now because I have to complete my side quests first. Plus, Trump winning in 2016 hurt my feelings and the toxic fans who have been waiting for my books for 13 years are so mean.
I’m still levels above Tolkien, by the way. I’m the real RR, not him.”
- George RR Martin
"BTW I am just copying all my old scifi stories with hive minds! Bran and Young Griff will be in a glass flower situation in the end, get the throne through maester vote rigging and marry Joy Hill (who is actually Tyrion's daughter)!"
Tolkien finished his books though George haha.
He's an old man give him a break, you don't need to insult every person that says something bad about Trump
@@Darkstar_Dayne george insulted a ww1 vet tho, if he doesn't have to treat old people good why do we?
@@Darkstar_Dayne I don’t give af about Trump.
You can tell a corpse from (a person sleeping with their eyes open or not apparently breathing) by 1, the stench, a corpse will release most of its crap, 2 the jaw, which will be open. Your subconscious controls both of these things.
I was today years old when I realized Fringy's character is from Plauge Knight.
I never even heard of it before, and I saw someone playing it as background footage for a video and was like... Holy Hell thats Fringy chucking his Goo 😂.
Even motherf*cking Grond the battering ram has it´s own lore.
I remember watching this in theaters and thinking "this is really long and i need to pee, but holy shit is this not the best movie i've ever seen". Then when my family bought the extended edition trilogy and I got to see the whole Saruman scene at the beginning of the film i thought "why the hell didn't they just keep this in? I would have been more than happy if they just added an old school 'intermission' somewhere in the middle of the movie so people could use the bathroom, stretch their legs, hey maybe even get another snack." But no, we lose some of the best dialog in the movie because somebody thought that a 4 hour movie wasn't worth it. Shameful.
Tell that to Theoden's snapped neck
i feel bad for the younger generation
Did you get Gollum PTSD Mauler?😅
Cutting out christopher lee’s scenes is never a good idea, that man had great presence in this franchise.
I've been watching these in preparation to watching the movies for the first time with my son. I gain even more appreciation for the movies...as well as keeping note of the scenes where my son should cover his eyes.
This is random. But I separately discovered both Mauler and Drinker about 4-5 years ago. When Game of Thrones season 8 came out, I watched Mauler and Gary rant about it and that introduced me to Gary. One day I saw “W/ Critical Drinker” on an EFAP title and it blew my mine that legends could indeed coexist. Its been years and Gary, Mauler, and Drinker have been carrying my internet usage. Much love to everyone
“What does your heart tell you?” “That Frodos alive.” Loved that part
“For Frodo.”
Aragorn is THE GOAT.
I am never not disappointed about the way denethors story was adapted. the movie could have been so much cooler still
Don't piss off all the Chariots of Fire fanatics out there, Gary. 🤣🤣
This trilogy of videos has been fantastic! Thank you gentlemen ❤
This EFAP series on the LOTR trilogy has made 2024 RUclips worth it on its own 👏🏽
I'm a little late to this, but this was an amazing set of efaps, efap movies is always pog.
& wolf great to hear you again buddy, hope all is good for you 👍
Thank you for sharing!❤
1:18:28 - Rags being Rags 😂😂😂
I have Anduril in my room leaning against the wall, keeps the Nazgul away
The thing about the ending I've always heard is not that the ending is too long, it's that it feels like it 'ends' multiple times in a row. It's a matter of thinking you're done and then the movie suddenly continuing six seperate times that is jarring and hits people as annoying, not the absolute time involved.
Sons of Massives, of EFAP! MY Brothers...I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come, where the courage of fans fails, when we forsake objectivity, and break all bonds of logic, but it is not this day!
An hour of pandering, and subversions when the age of passion in fans comes CRASHING DOWN! But it is not this day! THIS DAY WE FIGHT! By ALL the IP's you hold dear, i bid you STAND, FANS OF MEDIA!
For Star Wars...
For Game of Thrones!
For Old Marvel!
DEATH!
@@ImperatorIke573 DEAAAAAATH!!!!!!
NEW WATCH PARTY IDEA
Watch all three extended movies, and then! We watch the efaps!
AND THEN WE WATCH THEM AGAIN
these are really fun to watch, thank you for making them!
I LOVE the part where Legolas takes down the whole Oliphant! That has always been one of my favorite parts!
Always good to see the boys back together for some LotR.
The ending was so meaningfully and so short that they all drifted away thematically and had to be rained in to talk about what was on the screen. ^^
Yep, i'm one of those who would really liked to see the 'The Scouring of the Shire' chapter in the extended cut.
I always laugh when people are like **Tolkien would have been offended by the drinking references in the movies**/
He literally wrote a poem about the Man in the Moon so drunk he fell down to earth and incorporated into the Fellowship of the Ring. He wouldn't have been offended in the least.
The unforgivable sin is Frodo turning on Sam and Sam LETTING HIM GO!!
No way, should that have happened!
Yeah. That, the Ghosts, and making Denethor ebil/crazier are the worst changes.
1:57:47 - From the Bakshi LotR:
Where there's a whip,
There's a way!
Where there's a whip,
There's a way!
Wasn't it also in the book?
@@wyattwebb6963it was not the exact quote, but similar.
Slight correction, that was from the Rankin Bass Return of the King.
Wait... is Wolf back? Or is this some kind of old recording??
He was always my favorite, so if he'd back, that's fantastic. Hope he's well.
Then the Black Captain rose in his stirrups and cried aloud in a dreadful voice, speaking in some forgotten tongue words of power and terror to rend both heart and stone.
Thrice he cried. Thrice the great ram boomed. And suddenly upon the last stroke the Gate of Gondor broke. As if stricken by some blasting spell it burst asunder: there was a flash of searing lightning, and the doors tumbled in riven fragments to the ground.
In rode the Lord of the Nazgul. A great black shape against the fires beyond he loomed up, grown to a vast menace of despair. In rode the Lord of the Nazgul, under the archway that no enemy ever yet had passed, and all fled before his face.
All save one. There waiting, silent and still in the space before the Gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax: Shadowfax who alone among the free horses of the earth endured the terror, unmoving, steadfast as a graven image in Rath Dinen.
"You cannot enter here," said Gandalf, and the huge shadow halted. "Go back to the abyss prepared for you! Go back! Fall into the nothingness that awaits you and your Master. Go!"
The Black Rider flung back his hood, and behold! he had a kingly crown; and yet upon no head visible was it set. The red fires shone between it and the mantled shoulders vast and dark. From a mouth unseen there came a deadly laughter.
"Old fool!" he said. "Old fool! This is my hour. Do you not know Death when you see it? Die now and curse in vain!" And with that he lifted high his sword and flames ran down the blade.
Gandalf did not move. And in that very moment, away behind in some courtyard of the City, a cock crowed. Shrill and clear he crowed, recking nothing of wizardry or war, welcoming only the morning that in the sky far above the shadows of death was coming with the dawn.
And as if in answer there came from far away another note. Horns, horns, horns. In dark Mindolluin's sides they dimly echoed. Great horns of the North wildly blowing. Rohan had come at last.
But it was no orc-chieftain or brigand that led the assault upon Gondor. The darkness was breaking too soon, before the date that his Master had set for it: fortune had betrayed him for the moment, and the world had turned against him; victory was slipping from his grasp even as he stretched out his hand to seize it. But his arm was long. He was still in command, wielding great powers. King, Righwraith, Lord of the Nazgul, he had many weapons. He left the Gate and vanished.
I remember the fight with the dead king in the games and when I saw the movie of it just cutting to him saying “we fight…” I was so disappointed as I wanted to see Aragorn whip his ass in mortal/non mortal combat
I'd be surprised if this trilogy is surpassed in my lifetime
The ONLY way I can see it being surpassed is not only having a remarkable budget, but also having a really good animation/writing team to make an animated version that stays close to the books while respecting the source material.