American Indians of the Allegheny Valley: An Introduction
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Lecture by Chuck Erdeljac
Oakmont Historical Society Lecture Series
Held at the Oakmont Carnegie Library
Allegheny Valley, Pittsburgh, Pa
January 26th, 2015
The Oakmont Historical Society would like to thank Chuck Erdeljac for his time and knowledge in this spectacular lecture on the history of Native Americans in the Allegheny Valley.
Wonderful presentation! Thank you and God Bless us one and all. 🙏
I like this program thank you. I'm from this area. I must say one thing: nitho Andaqua, ni la'sawanwa moneto dodum menaskwi. Ni wakota a'sawanawa atoweya wadshi. I speak Shawnee. Sawanawa does not mean wanderer. Kikawpo (Kickapoo) means wonderer. Sawanawa means those who with the South wind came, in other words "sotherners" indeed my ancestors are the southern most Algonquin speakers. We are 5 tribes united as one. The tribe I'm from we call Thawokli. You spell it Sewickley. We descend from what is called the Monongahela and Fort Ancient people. Our dialect still has old words from the pre Algonquin language, such as Mosopelaywas, which is what the Monongahela called themselves. I thank the Creator that everyone made it to this speach safely and thank the speaker for his words. I love history and really appreciate your work here. Niyowe (thank you)
Perhaps you can shed light on the presence of the skeletons of extremely tall people buried in many of the mounds. Who were they? Do we know? Does it matter? Why do historians ignore their existence? Even this speaker had it in his notes and failed to mention it.
1st historian i have heard that gets it. That knows the truth. Respect! Thank you Sir, for not just knowing, but speaking it. Peace to you. I dont say that just to everybody.
My ancestors live in Somerset, County PA. They were of German heritage. I am very proud of this.
Please do videos on these German, Americans .
Hello from Pittsburgh Pennsylvania USA 🇺🇸
" They Made Us Many Promises...MORE than I can remember. But "THEY Promised to TAKE OUR LAND...@ THEY TOOK IT " i have always remembered this VERY, very disturbing @ Disheartening Quote.. yet i fail as to remember, who stated it. When i stumble upon it...ftom 1 of my MANY American Indian books...i will be back. Growing up in Pgh...i can truly understand @ appreciate Brother Chuck's very informative lecture. Pilamaya. Thank You...@ Wakan-Tanan Kici Un. May the Great Spirit Bless You. 🔥 🌿 🍓( heart Berry) 🐺 🐎 🌲 🌳 🌏
Proud to say I was born and raised in the Valley!!
The railroad destroyed a burial mound in what is known as lambs creek by the white settlers . In the late 1800,s in PA . ,between Mansfield and Tioga . They found , natives buried sitting up . One site along the river bank , a native was unearthed with his firearms , probably traded to him by the French . Red Jacket Seneca Chief had a path up through the PA . grand canyon to the Genosee valley .
Gary Gerow Red Jacket?? Or do you mean Blue Jacket.
Hey can you give me information about where I can find the burial sites or any information will help please???
@@mikecobb7359 they aren’t of your people I suggest leaving them alone
I'm listening now, I'm going to listen again when the talk is finished.
I really appreciate this.
Your thoughtfulness
Plus I'm to old not to know this history
Also I respect your streanth
Letting us know
That this Land
The beautiful mountains
springs of water from trees that once we're shading a family
Filling up their water
Playing together
Then also
I grew up in Center County
I now live in Santa Fe
I've been across America
The Badlands of South Dakota
I've met people living in the shade of a cottonwood never having been forced from migration. Dancing the dances if the Deer of the Seasons since way before
God's people
Then dear friend
I'm ignorant
Selfish also for all I don't know
Thank you for this gift.
I'm looking forward to pressing play and containing.
One more point
I've witnessed
Native Americans and Indigenous Americans need our understandings
They need funding
Not philosophy or religions just funding. Here in Santa Fe we got the Indian School as I'm sure you are aware of. They are amazing! Much more funding would be appreciated and is always needed. Should be a national grant forever in Memorial.
Should be more money then is needed. Plus the magic
Our Love
Unity
Imagine if in our schools it were drums also
If wisdom was for you and I
For everyone in Respect of us all.
Thank you for sharing this and to everyone involved.
All the trees you once remembered are gone .
There is a mound an plaza in pierpont oh. 2 miles from the pa. line it's the evergreen cemetery. My folks are there and they had raised me across the road from it.
A remarkable history.
Wow really enjoyed this thank you!
great lecture and well presented....you can see that the speaker is passionate about his field of interest
Now if you were my Mom as a little girl (born 1920) living in WV , and spending some time in the Summer with her Great Aunt and Uncle "out in the country , lol" , you would see a long band of the Cherokee during their Summer migration traveling across a nearby ridge ... my Mom was always fascinated by the Native Americans and stories of them , and there was plenty of this lure in WV ... as the migrating bands of Cherokee passed along the ridge my Mom wanted to go out and meet them but her Great Aunt forbade it telling her they have been known to take little children away with them ...
this was great. thank you
Outstanding historical talk.
Mr. Erdeljac is clever at jesting to keep the Audience from walking away in search of a Football Game.....
Rightfully so. Chief Long Winded.
This is really great! Thank you for sharing! I could really tell Mr. Erdeljac was passionate about this topic. Enjoyed!!!
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Where did all the Indians go? Is it possible the the so called black people were the Indians?
Indeed, Indigenous aboriginals American Indians not natives theres a difference
Yes indeginous American aboriginal we're still here
Bushy Run battle field is five miles out of Jeannette Pa. Where I was born and grew up. The Klingensmith family was the last family massacred by the Indians in Jeannette Pa. Also you did not mention Chief Redstone of Redstone creek in Brownsville Pa. Chief Redstone fought against George Washington at fort Necessity in Uniontown Pa.
how about indian hill in plum borough isn't there a indian mound at the top?
Did you ask the relatives of the people you are talking about if thewould prefer to be called Native Americans or Indians?
Very insightful Presentation. Thank you
A++
I really enjoyed your program
Can someone tell me what these artifacts
Are .i have hundreds of them. Delaware River site. Who should I contact.
It's a museum in here.
I would contact the tribes who lived in that area, maybe their descendents are nearby
The early intruders would have had a lot longer and harder struggle to take Virginia and New England had disease not wiped 19 out of 20 of the population. THis guy claims they got along fairly well. What do you expect when the entire warrior population was decimated. It wasn’t that they were happy.
Thank You for truth we took there land give one sided history for gain. But we use there names still today but i say 90% of America do not know the land they live on was stolen and do not care to fine out why. Thank YOU AGAIN.
I have to meet you , you're such a great person I love you truly
The New World and Native Americans gave so much to the Europeans that has never been noted. It's hard to carry a sheep in your pocket to buy what you need but with New World silver and gold Europe could develope currency and trade. The crops developed by Native Americans allowed European population growth. The population of Ireland and Germany doubled after the introduction of the potato. So far as political thought it would have been of note that that there were people who chose their leaders not by inheritance but by merit, that members of society followed them not by compunction but by duty to society and their own choice, that men were considered great not by what they owned but by what they gave and contributed to their society.
This was the Indians land, key word WAS. During our Western Expansion I believe there are few people that will disagree with me when I say the American Indians were treated terribly bad. We needed Western Expansion, can you imagine what the world would be like today if it weren't for Western Expansion. The question I have is since we needed Western Expansion and most of us agree the Indians were treated bad, what could have been done differently to the Indians to get us from point A to B? Mostly everybody will say the Indians were treated bad, but nobody gives an answer to what should have been done.
lol just because we have computers or 'technologies' doesn't mean we're better off or Western expansion is/was important.. That is entirely opinion. Look around us, were obese, unhealthy, uneducated, narcissistic, and lack culture or values. Id say you are making claims and a huge stretch as these aboriginal cultures around the world existed in harmony and in many instances for centuries. The term "Treated bad" is an interpretation and kind of hollow in many ways. These cultures were fine. Citizens are treated badly as we speak by our own governments. Human naturally have problems in any culture. Good or bad. "What should have been done" is not steal their land and then double cross them with genocide maybe? 'Western expansion' is soley driven by greed and corruption so to say it was needed is a huge stretch. Look at us now. Natives shared land and coexisted with other tribes. Westerner's steal land, tax land, and force people to play by their made up rules that bankers and the 1% created. The natives had no idea even that you could put a price on God's land, respectfully so, while also becoming one of their downfalls, being naive and true to spirit. Treated bad is such a loaded term that really has no value unless you lived and experienced it and really just sounds like terrible justification or rationalization to accept how immoral the europeans acted. People seem to still be proud of having zero morals and ethics because 'western culture' is the only way apparently.
You mean manifest destiny. Call it for what it is.
loved it
Does any one know anything about the johnstown pa area. I lived there in oakhurst homes in mid 1990s(which is reportedly built partly on india burial grounds . There was a rock formation close by in the woods. A freind took me to show me. It was in a kind of a hole. It look like a alter to me. My guide call it Black Rock. I have looked for information on it. I have never found any reference to it
Legend has it that my high school, less than 30 mins drive from Johnstown, was built over native/indigenous burial sites. We are being lied to about the history of Central PA, and almost all other accepted history, for that matter
It’s not that we view the natives as violent and white people as non-violent, but it’s the fact that the natives are looked at as these peaceful people when in fact they were human beings. That’s basically the point, is it not?
Many people have the view that before Europeans arrived in North America that this was a tranquil hippie paradise before our white culture ruined it. But it’s no different than one white culture invading another one in Europe. If somebody wants the land they are going to take it. I think the fact that the natives were more primitive and their skin color was brown, many people have more sympathy, which I think is immoral because why does their skin color matter? It doesn’t.
Stefan Burns. I think you are right. During the time that the conquistadors were enslaving and killing the native Americans. The muslims had already and were still enslaving an killing the middle eastern societies. Tried to move into europe but were mostly beaten back. Except for Algeria. This is not a"white man" issue. EVERY growing society in the history has forced themselves onto their neighbors. It is the nature of this fallen world. Tragic.
But the Native Americans were peaceful people and Wights literally did ruin their culture.
United statians (to differentiate them from americans = natives and also to differentiate them from the overwhelming majority of europeans who - let's not forget - never set foot on the north american continent) , United statians history must be compared to ancient europe history. What happened between united statians and americans (natives) happened at much earlier times in europe between ethnic groups of antique civilizations. The only reason it's so palpable and emotional in America today is because it's closer in time only 300-400 to just 120 years ago instead of over 1,500 years ago. This is why the speaker conclusion is realistic. The same genocides and wars for land happened everywhere in the world, and it won't stop. Someday the american continent may well be managed by Asians with only a puppet united statian government.
There are two crimes in every conquest, the one that happened on the ground and later the manipulated history written by winners trying to attribute responsibility to someone else or something else. When it comes to the American indian genocide, words like "europeans" instead of united-statians are out of place because the majority of europeans did not partake in them but lived in Europe while a majority of united-statians pioneers, colons whatever you want to call them did.
What you stated is historically accurate. I just wish we had treated the Native Americans better.
Hes not speaking of natives.. hes talking about the American Indians. The indigenous aboriginals
I know where there are Indian burial mounds in warren.
Hey can you please give me information where I can find the burial mounds ?? ?
@@mikecobb7359 sorry don’t get on here much. I’ll have to have my friend show me how to get there. At least to the camp site. There’s a very steep hill to climb back in the woods a ways. But I definitely remember where from that point.
@@mikesadhdadhd6891 any more info?
Is this an apologetic baby boomer ancestry challenge or a scientific type of deliberation ? It sounds like the former within the first 8 minutes.
They were savage people, made war on the colonist, and were defeated and expedited
The colonists were equal in savagery. Don't kid yourselves.
Surprisingly truthful and a better view than expected of History in America particularly with regard to the lost lands of the Native American Indians and their former long life in those former beautiful lands and their former Heritage and yes it just was not safe to admit to having roots and being a real Native American Indian and it is and was their land stolen by the immigrants who now lay claim to this land and deny all Rights to any survivors. Better than expected. I am sad how it turned out for the Indians so unfair.
SAD puts it mildly. More like Disgusted, Ashamed @ Broken-hearted for ALL the blood spilled over our country's history.
What a sentence
Great job. I must say, though, that I disagree with many things, mostly little details. You should have mentioned Mary Jamison who was captured and taken through Pittsburgh. Even George Washington called the Alegheny river the Ohio. Your opinion of the Indians would be different if they captured you, cut your naval, pulled out intestines, tied them to a tree, and beat you till they all fell out. Google search torture tree. They disliked being called a pagan more than savage. How about their white dog sacrafice? I doubt there are any full blooded Iroquois any more. Even in the early 1800s the census had a column for half breed. It wasn't there land, they took it from the ones there before them.
They only quit eating people after Hiawatha's dream. George Washington's name to them is Town Destroyer. I have been studying them for many decades. I have many artifacts I have found, some on islands on the Allegheny river. I've made bows from hickory and harvested deer to better understand them. My wife's grandmother was Shawnee and she taught me a lot about cooking groundhogs and her favorite-catfish.
Lastly, I was born in America, which makes me native American. I understand not wanting to be called Indian, but don't shit on me.
Ir i qwa Char t ay
I guess you never heard about how Columbus had the hands of the native people cut off if they couldn't find enough gold.
Never heard that
Ya, so he is a hero in Wilkes-Barre, Pa. Statues of him all over. They worship him. Them Italians. They act like him. So, if you want to know what an a$$ Columbus was and what a criminal is, just look at the Italians in that town!
A lot of judgement is coming America's way.
Like America is the only place on earth that ever stole land. British, Romans, Egyptians, etc. every major civilization did something along those lines. Hate to say it, but if we never did, the population in the USA would be speaking German today and your culture would surely be gone for good. No way they would have survived blitzkrieg on horseback.
indians did NOT build these mounds. they say they didnt . jim. viara tells the true history of the true mound builders .
urmm.. you may want to research the tribe known as Erie who were well known mound builders.
Native Americans didn't. INDIGENOUS americans did
This is a racist comment.
Why do people from western Pennsylvania pronounce the word town as "ton"?
They say "Union-ton" Uniontown or "Don-ton" instead of downtown. There's a 'w' in the word town.🙄
Why do you care?
We do it specifically to drive you mad. Fuckin jagoff.
@@RicArmstrong Close. Hungarian, mostly. God save you from the Magyar.
Europeans and Indians got along fairly well"
Me: reads American Holocaust...."this guy's high off something"
Our society not theirs .
Do you like blue jeans and light beer? You might not after watching the movie AVATAR. I would rather live sustainable within nature, not this feudal states of america.