Jesse Lee Peterson Comes After Kyle - Amazin!

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  • @lstcloud
    @lstcloud 5 лет назад +325

    He doesn't know who Kyle is, yet his intern said he's invited Kyle on the show five times... seems legit.

    • @0_P.E.
      @0_P.E. 5 лет назад +27

      lstcloud shit I totally missed that! Good point!

    • @lstcloud
      @lstcloud 5 лет назад +16

      Having said that though Kyle, I dunno if I would debate him if I were you. I mean I KNOW you'd beat him, but seriously... I think there's something medically, neurologically WRONG with that guy. I'm not ragging on his political stances (although that would be REALLY easy to do). I mean him PERSONALLY. I don't know if he's got some kind of learning disability, or if he's had a stroke, or some kind of brain injury, but Kyle... that's the kind of fight where you win the battle, but it costs you the war. Kick Shapiro in the teeth, or Jordan Peterson, Candice Owens, Ann Coulter, David Frum - ANYBODY else you had on that list, but listen to the guy talk for 5 minutes and he genuinely sounds like he's mentally handicapped and that's how it's gonna play out. I'm not saying that to be mean or disparaging to people who have these issues. I'm saying that as somebody who has relatives who sound just like him (same speech patterns, same type of cadence, same slurred speech) and have been medically diagnosed as falling in one or more of those categories. Nobody's even gonna question on the right how THEY all thought he was brilliant beforehand. They'll use the way you dismantle his arguments to make you look like you're just bullying somebody who can't mentally defend themselves. It's a Phyrric victory at best.

    • @erbyenbe6586
      @erbyenbe6586 5 лет назад +4

      @@lstcloud Other right-wingers are at least willing to try and seem rational in some sense, Jesse Lee Peterson is just a rambling fool, you're right. Something's wrong with the guy, or he is a character.

    • @keontaewilliams5145
      @keontaewilliams5145 5 лет назад +5

      Das Amazing

    • @GrayzoneGab
      @GrayzoneGab 5 лет назад +15

      Jesse uses that "I don't know who he is" line all the time. He tried it with David Pakman *AFTER* they had already debated once.

  • @hansrockhard
    @hansrockhard 5 лет назад +366

    Don't resort to debating lobotomy patients, Kyle.

    • @Sheepy-hp9je
      @Sheepy-hp9je 5 лет назад +2

      You Debate Jesse Lee. I Dare You.

    • @FrantiC119
      @FrantiC119 5 лет назад +15

      Nothing is accomplished by it. Pakman has had something like a debate with him and it's pretty clear nothing is going to persuade people who watch him if they are already dumb enough to buy what he's saying. For people on the left it just looks ridiculous too because Jesse brings nothing intellectually. Any long form discussion with Jesse only serves his purposes by seemingly crediting him among his viewers with being able to take on intellectuals because he uses argumentative tactics like ad hominems and straw men. Nothing positive comes out of engaging this guy other than putting on a circus for views that's somewhat sad and hilarious at the same time.

    • @FrantiC119
      @FrantiC119 5 лет назад +4

      Oh and calling it if Jesse does interview Kyle he'll do the same stupid thing he did with Pakman where he demands a yes or no answer to a question over and over when Kyle has already clearly answered it over and over. He asked Pakman if women should be believed about rape allegations about 20 times when Pakman clearly said "They should be believed enough for it to be investigated, but no I don't believe men should automatically be put in jail on a woman's word". Pretty clearly a misleading and dishonest thing if you were to condense that answer down to just a yes or a no.

    • @ptolemyauletesxii8642
      @ptolemyauletesxii8642 5 лет назад

      Agreed. Whgat an utter waste of time such a thing would be. This guy is so far gone that it is literally impossible to discuss anything meaningful with him. Hell, even discussing corn flakes vs Rice Krispies would be a challenge. This is just pure low level entertainment. There are plenty of right or right leaning intellectuals who actually are capable of having a discussion, and can present their case honestly and eloquently. This guy is at the Alex Jones level of idiocy and space travel.

    • @tomabernathy2368
      @tomabernathy2368 5 лет назад

      @@FrantiC119 Pakman is a pseudo-intellectual idiot.

  • @SatanistSin
    @SatanistSin 5 лет назад +1249

    This is how it would go:
    Jesse: What's 2+2?
    Kyle: an equation... or do you mean to ask what it's equal to?
    J: Do you not understand the question?
    K: Well I told you what it is. Also, it equals 4. Is that good enough?
    J: So you think it equals 4? Amazing...
    K: You don't?
    J: What are the colors of the American flag?
    K: No wait a second. Do you think 2+2 equals something other than 4?
    J: Is my question to hard for you?
    K: I'll answer all your questions in a second, but what's up with the 2+...
    J: Is it because you are a child of the lie, that prevents you from saying the colors of America?
    K: wtf?
    J: I don't know why you came on my show if you refuse to answer my questions.
    K: They're red white and blue, okay? Now please tell me what you think 2+2 equals, because this is hilarious!
    J: I'm glad you're having a good time. How does it feel to be a beta male?
    K: Okay, so apparently you don't know basic math, yet I'm the lesser of the two of us?
    J: So first you lie about me, and now you refuse to answer my questions. Why do you worship Satan?
    K: lol wtf I'm an atheist, so I don't.
    J: Exactly you're of the devil. You worship Satan...
    Until all the time is gone.

    • @DrakovarTlse
      @DrakovarTlse 5 лет назад +96

      I'd watch the hell out of that :)

    • @Puleczech
      @Puleczech 5 лет назад +121

      Hahaha you gotta be a script writer, this matches exactly.

    • @uriel1089
      @uriel1089 5 лет назад +113

      this literally happened on Jesse's show with David Pakman

    • @potatomaggot517
      @potatomaggot517 5 лет назад +33

      This is so spot on lol

    • @fowfow7119
      @fowfow7119 5 лет назад +30

      Happens with everyone, and then all his sheep fanboys go like, ooooooh he destroyed them, they can't even answer simple questions, lol

  • @b0s0x4ever
    @b0s0x4ever 5 лет назад +521

    Kyle - - Some advice (and I can’t believe I’m saying this): Do your research on this guy’s interview style. And not because if you don’t he’ll make you look like a fool (that’s obviously not gonna happen). But because he interviews progressives in a way that is haphazard and erratic which makes for terrible viewing, frankly. Your goal should be to reach his audience with as much logic and reason as possible. And to expose him to his audience as the dim-witted fool he is. This requires scratching beneath the surface of the issues he brings up. This dude lives on the surface. You gotta dig deeper and force him to respond with more than simply, “amazin’.” That’s his go-to when he’s incapable of constructing an intellectual response. Again, this isn’t so much about him as it is his audience. He’s too far gone, but if there’s even a handful of his fans that can be awoken the slightest bit, an effort must be made.
    Please give me some likes so Kyle sees this.

    • @richardpowell4281
      @richardpowell4281 5 лет назад +32

      I agree pretry much. David Packman going on the show was painful to watch. Like you said not because Jesse made him look like a fool, but he didn't under stand basic debate decorum or structure like burden of proof. Jesse seems like what I imagine a mentally disabled person being brought up watching mainly Fox News would sound like.

    • @nxbis
      @nxbis 5 лет назад +9

      TWEET AT HIM

    • @typhoonic
      @typhoonic 5 лет назад +19

      You're not wrong about his troll-ish interview style of playing the fool to get the opponent to lose their cool, but that's why I have to disagree with how to handle him. To be successful at changing his viewer's minds, you have to understand why his audience watches Jesse in the first place -- which is why I say either ignore him or beat him at his own game and just troll better than him. I know that sounds immature, and I hate to say it, but that's more effective than logic and reason when changing the mind of certain Trumpers like Jesse's fans. You really get the sense of "These people are just in this for the memes and "lawlz", aren't they?" when you look through the comment sections of his videos. These aren't the kinda people you're going to reach with a civil, secular, and rational arguments. I wouldn't even be surprised if a lot of his fans aren't even that political, and just wanted to see some goofy moron make light of some people that are actually passionate about finding solutions to the world's problems by saying "amazin' ".. Unfortunately these people eat that stupid shit up!

    • @benvergus1573
      @benvergus1573 5 лет назад +1

      @@richardpowell4281 I rather found it very entertaining to watch, yea the conversation wasn't going anywhere, but it was very funny nevertheless

    • @b0s0x4ever
      @b0s0x4ever 5 лет назад +4

      OGRE Interesting take. I actually don’t think there’s much of a disagreement in tactics between us. I too feel like trolling the troll is the right approach. And believe me, I know long-winded intellectual monologues by Kyle would put Jesse to sleep and send his fans on to another video. What I’m saying is that allowing Jesse to dictate the terms of the conversation by only superficially discussing topics doesn’t allow much opportunity for quality counter-trolling on Kyle’s part.
      All Kyle needs to do is press back a little and not allow Jesse to change the topic when he feels cornered or outmatched. And I feel like Kyle is uniquely equipped to do this because he’s loud and he’s able to expose flawed logic and make his points succinctly and plainly. That type of concise, sound-bite logic has the greatest potential of reaching Jesse’s audience. Once Jesse’s ignorance is exposed, the opportunity presents itself for Kyle to deliver a zinger. And then you just relentlessly repeat the tactic with every topic. If his fans want a bloodbath, give them a bloodbath. But there’s no reason it can’t be Jesse’s blood that is spilled.
      I’m really just tired of his left-wing guests approaching Jesse’s show the way they do. Yeah, he’s an idiot. We get that. But that doesn’t mean you handle him with kid gloves and laugh and shrug off his obvious ignorance. His ignorance perpetuates hate. Weaponize his ignorance against him.

  • @derrickbelanger
    @derrickbelanger 5 лет назад +347

    Kyle is not a beta-male... handsome lesbian, yes... but not a beta-male.

    • @Ascend777
      @Ascend777 5 лет назад +6

      Beta-male has many meanings. The only one that comes close to fitting Kyle is that he's a feminist, which makes alpha males the sexists in this context. Kyle doesn't fit all other beta-male definitions.
      If anything, JLP is the beta-male for fearing to take risks and avoiding confrontations. He was invited to debate at politicons but passed. BETA!

    • @MaggaraMarine
      @MaggaraMarine 5 лет назад +10

      Anyone who calls others beta must be at least a bit insecure about their own "manliness".

    • @SixtiesStick
      @SixtiesStick 5 лет назад +4

      Kyle produces more testosterone than the manlet, Shapiro.

    • @preddes6522
      @preddes6522 5 лет назад

      Garland doubt it

    • @donaldmartell3729
      @donaldmartell3729 5 лет назад

      @@rebikhalifa8375 He's from near NYC...that's not going to happen.

  • @Virtuoso191
    @Virtuoso191 5 лет назад +616

    Fun fact: Jesse Lee Peterson's blood alcohol level is actually higher than his IQ. That's Amazin.

    • @Forrest_Trump
      @Forrest_Trump 5 лет назад +21

      virtr3uoso lmao seriously though how does that guy have a following ?

    • @Ascend777
      @Ascend777 5 лет назад +3

      @@Forrest_Trump Jones has a following because he's crazier and white. Not saying all whites are racists, but white racists prefers white loons over black or asian loons. I know an asian youtuber who is just as crazy as them; he only has 20k subs.

    • @arlobubble3748
      @arlobubble3748 5 лет назад

      @@blahblah1287 he has a speech impediment as he was born with a cleft palate, but isn't it just amazin that people make fun of birth defects

    • @Gee-xb7rt
      @Gee-xb7rt 5 лет назад +3

      @@arlobubble3748 he sounds like he's been double dipping in the diclofenac, and he says stupid stuff to back it up the assumption, nobody is making fun of his speech impediment, triggered snowflake.

    • @arlobubble3748
      @arlobubble3748 5 лет назад

      @@Gee-xb7rt Diclofenac is an anti-inflammatory, all double dipping that will do is make you more likely to get a stomach ulcer and fuck with your heart and kidneys lol what are you on about?

  • @SaucyMcSaucer
    @SaucyMcSaucer 5 лет назад +355

    L E S B I O N

    • @mediadrone01
      @mediadrone01 5 лет назад +31

      BETAAAAAAA!

    • @lusus999
      @lusus999 5 лет назад +30

      😂 wtf was that, right? I hope he just has a nervous tic, if not he’s sooo high. But at least she was nice to him, that L E S B I O N 😂

    • @mistymountainhopper
      @mistymountainhopper 5 лет назад +2

      😂😂😂

    • @ughhim83
      @ughhim83 5 лет назад +16

      LEZBEON

    • @dame-e-in1258
      @dame-e-in1258 4 года назад +2

      Lesbioan

  • @SPAZZOID100
    @SPAZZOID100 5 лет назад +43

    How many strokes has this dude had???

  • @kyliekulinski3856
    @kyliekulinski3856 5 лет назад +569

    Jesse Lee Peterson makes Uncle Ruckus look like Malcom X.

    • @Claptonisgod33
      @Claptonisgod33 5 лет назад +50

      He's like a real life Samuel L Jackson from Django Unchained

    • @EG_UIO
      @EG_UIO 5 лет назад +42

      Christopher Triggered much?

    • @Korean_Autist_AbsoluteMF
      @Korean_Autist_AbsoluteMF 5 лет назад +2

      Intrestingly enough, Barry Goldwater was the first republican nominee to win a handful of southern states in a presidential election. He won only 6% of the black vote, compared to Richard Nixon in 1960 with 33% and Eisenhower in 1956 with 40%.
      www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/goldwater-jackie-robinson/474498/

    • @elizabethvanhalden1269
      @elizabethvanhalden1269 5 лет назад +14

      +Christopher Statist book lickers (right wingers) can't be funny.

    • @kryptoart87
      @kryptoart87 5 лет назад +4

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣☠

  • @unology1
    @unology1 5 лет назад +540

    Why debate this guy. He doesn't operate off of any study or fact based principle. Just recited talking points with a mouth full of peanut butter....He needs to debate a psychiatrist.

    • @DeadMouse32
      @DeadMouse32 5 лет назад +66

      He’s a literal right wing NPC. No substance, just constant talking points

    • @nygeriunprence
      @nygeriunprence 5 лет назад +24

      Joshua Jung is another righttard npc

    • @unology1
      @unology1 5 лет назад +29

      @Joshua Jung damn you got me...Im a child of the lie. Amazin'!

    • @Bobby0wnz
      @Bobby0wnz 5 лет назад +5

      That's the point of debating... To expose the bullshit he spreads.

    • @Sapioso
      @Sapioso 5 лет назад +5

      He’s a troll bro

  • @Codyoliverrr
    @Codyoliverrr 5 лет назад +44

    I want to Kyle to debate Ben shapiro

  • @SargonofAkkad
    @SargonofAkkad 5 лет назад +225

    "Racism has never existed" is such a hot take I just can't stop laughing.

    • @eater999
      @eater999 5 лет назад +5

      People entirely missed this.

    • @BlackBoxOnlineRadio
      @BlackBoxOnlineRadio 5 лет назад +6

      Hey Sargon how's it hanging ?

    • @2for99cents
      @2for99cents 5 лет назад +12

      Didn’t you expose yourself the other day on TRR? *O O F*

    • @maximino5956
      @maximino5956 5 лет назад

      Sargon of Akkad Hello Sargon!

    • @olafisashark5105
      @olafisashark5105 5 лет назад +1

      Fucking incredible. How did ppl miss this...

  • @Ctrl_Alt_Del_USA
    @Ctrl_Alt_Del_USA 5 лет назад +327

    After watching Kyle Kulinski only 3 times, I walked away thinking, "that guy doesn't lie," and "is a lesbian soccer coach."

    • @sandrasnow-balvert7766
      @sandrasnow-balvert7766 5 лет назад +15

      but Kyle did sell out to big seltzer :D

    • @joabjohnstone5217
      @joabjohnstone5217 5 лет назад

      ....

    • @thebatmanover9000
      @thebatmanover9000 5 лет назад

      @cassl14 You sound like a Jordan Peterson fan boy.

    • @roybaty7439
      @roybaty7439 5 лет назад +1

      @cassl14 Liberals get shit wrong a lot.

    • @sandrasnow-balvert7766
      @sandrasnow-balvert7766 5 лет назад +5

      @@roybaty7439 so what would you call a government that has a specific race that has all the money and support from other governments that treats the other group like second class citizens and puts them into worse and worse conditions while at the same time benefiting from the labours of those same people? That's almost what exactly happened in Apartheid.

  • @Claptonisgod33
    @Claptonisgod33 5 лет назад +424

    Jesse Lee Peterson always sounds like he ate 30 Xanax bars

  • @Tcrror
    @Tcrror 5 лет назад +83

    "There's no one I'm afraid to debate."
    Apart from the English language.

  • @shadowmight1242
    @shadowmight1242 5 лет назад +90

    There's two very important rules when it comes to attacking Kyle.
    Number 1. Just don't attack Kyle.
    Number 2. Really don't attack Kyle.

    • @JE-lv1bl
      @JE-lv1bl 5 лет назад +2

      Who is kyle?

    • @iamyouarei9497
      @iamyouarei9497 5 лет назад +3

      Haha, this weak little dude on the screen?

    • @zjones5042
      @zjones5042 4 года назад +1

      Never mess with Big seltzer

    • @klassehkhornate9636
      @klassehkhornate9636 3 года назад

      @@JE-lv1bl the guy with the green background

  • @MalcH
    @MalcH 5 лет назад +190

    Jesse lee Peterson is a sentient meme at this point

    • @ToxicAudri
      @ToxicAudri 5 лет назад +1

      @M D Oh he's very aware, he's a massive troll, watch the "debate" between him and David Pakman and you'll see that he's trolling.

  • @tonymcmayer5944
    @tonymcmayer5944 5 лет назад +264

    I love how everybody who attacks Kyle pretends like they can't pronounce his name. Do they think being illiterate and purposefully stupid makes it look like they're super intelligent?

    • @mattmurdock8678
      @mattmurdock8678 5 лет назад +20

      Amazin

    • @charlesmonroe5274
      @charlesmonroe5274 5 лет назад

      I didn't know how to properly pronounce his name until this video.......
      I've been watching since like 2011.

    • @iangascoigne8231
      @iangascoigne8231 5 лет назад

      Just like shouting Lessssbian.

    • @nickknight5373
      @nickknight5373 5 лет назад +1

      Perhaps it's a way of male-bonding with their shared xenophobia?

    • @gabrielarcari72
      @gabrielarcari72 5 лет назад

      @Robert Muldoon Jew party system? =one political party system=the corporate bought one...

  • @ryknow08
    @ryknow08 5 лет назад +88

    Kyle your shirt looks like the Steam homepage during a sale.

  • @stevecrane9105
    @stevecrane9105 5 лет назад +45

    There is zero value in debating someone like JLP. I don't even consider people like Kyle in the same industry. JLP is pure entertainment/emotional validation for people stupid enough to think this obvious transparent grift actually represents intellectualism. And damn, that's stupid.

    • @Cruizinelli12
      @Cruizinelli12 4 года назад

      Steve Crane well said. It was a waste of Kyle’s time to even indulge JLP with an interview.

  • @beeyaybaracas3240
    @beeyaybaracas3240 5 лет назад +179

    Nobody wants to get BODIED by the Kyledriver

    • @xz2487
      @xz2487 5 лет назад +1

      I do....

    • @Cowicide
      @Cowicide 5 лет назад +3

      Kyle is the truth train. Conservatives will be left dead alongside the tracks.

    • @JRodB
      @JRodB 5 лет назад

      Ahahahahaha

  • @dionysos1010
    @dionysos1010 5 лет назад +331

    Ben 'No debate this year' Shapiro.

    • @konstantinkoch6114
      @konstantinkoch6114 5 лет назад +5

      love it xD

    • @Ascend777
      @Ascend777 5 лет назад +55

      @@konstantinkoch6114 Ben 'No debate outside safe space this year' Shapiro.

    • @mrnonsense1031
      @mrnonsense1031 5 лет назад +26

      Whatever happened to "I'll debate any leftist anytime" Little Benny?

    • @David-qv9yy
      @David-qv9yy 5 лет назад

      dionysos go bag me up in the comments go bag me up kyle army shapiro's crew disrespected kyle i will link the video hold on

    • @David-qv9yy
      @David-qv9yy 5 лет назад +1

      dionysos ruclips.net/video/JY5t6iUzajk/видео.html : its the top commenr where some guy named right wing calls for a Shapiro presidential run these conservatives are loco man loco

  • @SamsungKE
    @SamsungKE 5 лет назад +12

    1:22 “LESBIAN!!!” 😂😂😂 I’m dyin 😂🔫

  • @cperception
    @cperception 5 лет назад +137

    he looks like a white dude painted black

    • @armyofninjas9055
      @armyofninjas9055 5 лет назад +19

      cperception Shhhh. Nobody is supposed to find out.

    • @petyrbaelish1216
      @petyrbaelish1216 5 лет назад +5

      Looks like antique farm equipment to me.

    • @sonar1357
      @sonar1357 5 лет назад +1

      I love how only liberals get away with making fun of black people.

    • @MrWubly
      @MrWubly 5 лет назад +8

      @@sonar1357 the way he worded the comment gave no distinction weather he was a liberal or a conservative. Just a joke, move on trumpist.

    • @sonar1357
      @sonar1357 5 лет назад

      @@MrWubly And the way I worded it gave no distinction whether or not I'm a Trump-supporter.

  • @MrHairyGoat
    @MrHairyGoat 5 лет назад +951

    This Guy looks like a half molten wax statue

    • @zhanki_8064
      @zhanki_8064 5 лет назад +7

      Racist

    • @CaliIzActive
      @CaliIzActive 5 лет назад +58

      @@zhanki_8064 not at all, he looks a little melted. calm down

    • @Blackatchaproduction
      @Blackatchaproduction 5 лет назад +7

      Lol

    • @zhanki_8064
      @zhanki_8064 5 лет назад +9

      Nick Moody I’m just using the liberal tactic, every negative said about a colored person is racist. You’re defending it so you’re a racist too. Banned!

    • @xZzirrSicK
      @xZzirrSicK 5 лет назад +2

      Omfg so true

  • @cloudyskiesnow
    @cloudyskiesnow 5 лет назад +159

    Is this Jesse Lee Peterson guy supposed to sound like he's had 50 beers?

    • @robertdavidtingstrom118
      @robertdavidtingstrom118 5 лет назад +6

      He does sound drunk! He must be hiding the bottle under his chair!?

    • @cobraglatiator
      @cobraglatiator 5 лет назад +4

      right?! i'm like,yo, this guy have a- stroke or something?

    • @Feroal2
      @Feroal2 5 лет назад +2

      lmao

    • @dalegribble4308
      @dalegribble4308 5 лет назад

      cloudyskiesnow stroke?

    • @tel4650
      @tel4650 5 лет назад

      Not supposed to but does anyway.

  • @LaLaLonna
    @LaLaLonna 5 лет назад +25

    Kyle is more of a man than that person could ever hope to be. Beta male...ppfffttttt...hahahahaaaaa!!!

  • @14192jn
    @14192jn 4 года назад +8

    "LESBIANN!!! She was so nice..." 😂

    • @isaiahphillip4112
      @isaiahphillip4112 3 года назад

      He's so consistent in pronouncing lesbian like that every time he says it. It's bewildering and hilarious.

  • @Wuking93
    @Wuking93 5 лет назад +622

    Das Amazin'

    • @ashura3313
      @ashura3313 5 лет назад +10

      that is a crah-head! watch debate with Tim Black

    • @TheKaiTetley
      @TheKaiTetley 5 лет назад +1

      Wuking. Jesse, I do not think this word means what you think it means.

    • @shodancat1000
      @shodancat1000 5 лет назад +9

      Wow... amazin'.

    • @calgenius
      @calgenius 5 лет назад +5

      LMFAO!!!

    • @lilb0unc3r29
      @lilb0unc3r29 5 лет назад +4

      Read that in his voice.

  • @mariazaragoza9181
    @mariazaragoza9181 5 лет назад +454

    "Coolinski" u got that right

    • @rhinog5436
      @rhinog5436 5 лет назад +17

      Classic! Coolinski 😎

    • @Bano04
      @Bano04 5 лет назад +5

      lmao!!

    • @donedone874
      @donedone874 5 лет назад +12

      @Albert Mora Idiotas for Trump ! now and forver

    • @EscapeTheHector
      @EscapeTheHector 5 лет назад +10

      Albert Mora Look who's playing identity politics now lmao

    • @biggheadspace8773
      @biggheadspace8773 5 лет назад +3

      @Albert Mora nice Google translate, Cletus 👍 really nailed it.

  • @gregwright1967
    @gregwright1967 5 лет назад +47

    The real beta is the one with a sky daddy.

  • @rorschachroach
    @rorschachroach 5 лет назад +30

    Get a damn intern Kyle

  • @Milanvaneijk
    @Milanvaneijk 5 лет назад +293

    I'm glad you did this Kyle. It actually takes more balls to show this, than to not show it. Because of obvious reasons.

    • @whyamimrpink78
      @whyamimrpink78 5 лет назад +3

      To show what? I see no evidence here. A few text messages to someone who supposedly works at Politicon is not sufficient. I want to see actual emails. I want to see how Politicon contacted these people if they did at all. This all seems too suspicious. It seems like Kyle is realizing his side is losing, badly, and that he is trying to become relevant.

    • @ojogbaneamedu2501
      @ojogbaneamedu2501 5 лет назад +26

      whyamimrpink78 The fact that Kyle is willing to walk into ambush from the right is convincing enough that he did try to reach out and feels bad for claiming something that wasn’t true.

    • @SandmanJr90
      @SandmanJr90 5 лет назад +36

      @@whyamimrpink78 You, a few weeks ago: "Kyle has no evidence these pundits backed out!"
      Kyle: *Literally shows evidence*
      You: I see no evidence here
      Really dude? now I know you're trolling

    • @whyamimrpink78
      @whyamimrpink78 5 лет назад +2

      If Kyle wanted to reach out why doesn't he contact these people directly? Here is Jesse saying he will be willing to have Kyle on his show, so what is stopping Kyle now?

    • @ojogbaneamedu2501
      @ojogbaneamedu2501 5 лет назад +27

      whyamimrpink78 Kyle just said he’d come, he said it publicly so there would be no way anyone could claim he lied. He’s willing, we’ll find out if Jesse is all talk soon enough.
      It’s funny because I don’t even really agree wth Kyle on core issues but he presents his point in such a manner that he’s the only voice from the opposite side I trust. He’ll crush Jesse if they ever have a debate and there’s no question about that.

  • @iStephonJ
    @iStephonJ 5 лет назад +170

    MAAA
    Make America Amazin Again.

    • @wonderlessyetwonderfulme8531
      @wonderlessyetwonderfulme8531 5 лет назад

      love it!

    • @vaselinos5597
      @vaselinos5597 5 лет назад

      OMFG you literally made me laugh out loud

    • @cl9826
      @cl9826 5 лет назад +4

      "my mother was the victim of Jim crow laws and racist policies in the 1950's"
      "Thats amazin'"

  • @mirandansa
    @mirandansa 5 лет назад +11

    I watched his interview with David Packman, and he seemed disappointed when he found out that David wasn't into men.

    • @remenir97
      @remenir97 5 лет назад +1

      Is Jesse gay?

    • @aj7978
      @aj7978 5 лет назад +2

      Funny thing is, David is lying and he is into men. Jessie never said anything about him being gay until he brought it up (multiple times). David even lied about "I just found out there was going to be debate today." Like really?! He never seems to know anything.

    • @RolaiEckolo
      @RolaiEckolo 5 лет назад +2

      @@aj7978 Did you just intentionally fuck up and lie for that entire comment for the lulz?

  • @wd0675
    @wd0675 5 лет назад +10

    You’d be surprised how entertaining Jesse is once your 4 beers deep

  • @gateguardia
    @gateguardia 5 лет назад +59

    Jlp sounds like he was a former boxer that lost by knockout every single time

    • @eziotemplarkiller
      @eziotemplarkiller 5 лет назад +11

      Amazin lol

    • @aliceyingshan2725
      @aliceyingshan2725 5 лет назад

      You would have to debate him as though you were just having a conversation with your cute older grandpa-pa with nothing more in his head than what the preachers he listened to told him and the theological books he's read... because maybe he got beat up one too many times during his younger years and the head trauma finally got to him. If you can respectfully converse-debate him, would be good... but have to approach with like a lot of humility and empathy level times 10. Aka Kyle has to not shout or get angry-looking or angry-shouting at any point during the convo/debate...

  • @JackalHavok1992
    @JackalHavok1992 5 лет назад +139

    Jesse Lee Peterson reminds me of Samuel L. Jackson's character from Django Unchained.

    • @osmaer3999
      @osmaer3999 5 лет назад +7

      JDB1992
      I THOUGHT THE SAME THING!!! :D

    • @AJ-ut8cz
      @AJ-ut8cz 5 лет назад +1

      He's what bill maher got in trouble for saying.

    • @ShavaChihera
      @ShavaChihera 5 лет назад

      Or Hoppin' Bob lol

    • @screamityeah
      @screamityeah 5 лет назад

      Me too

    • @LeftIsBest
      @LeftIsBest 5 лет назад

      Dumber. Much dumber.

  • @Modernday13579
    @Modernday13579 5 лет назад +7

    Oh Jesse, we love your accent, say it again..
    "LEZBEYON"

  • @hazelhearty4940
    @hazelhearty4940 5 лет назад

    I love your tee shirt; please tell me where you got it. Thanks.

  • @stephaniep7797
    @stephaniep7797 5 лет назад +152

    He looks like a Simpsons character

    • @cyber6sapien
      @cyber6sapien 5 лет назад +4

      He IS a Simpsons character!

    • @mpcref
      @mpcref 5 лет назад +1

      more like a Sacha Baron Cohen character

  • @JeevesAnthrozaurUS
    @JeevesAnthrozaurUS 5 лет назад +65

    That picture of Jesse behind Kyle makes him look like Black Voldemort

  • @redfury91
    @redfury91 5 лет назад +10

    Uncle Ruckus for President 2020!!!

  • @ReneeR877
    @ReneeR877 5 лет назад

    Thank you

  • @dcaseng
    @dcaseng 5 лет назад +104

    LMFAO, I love how he pretends he doesn't know who Kyle kulinski is, while also claiming that he has repeatedly invited him on his show.
    This just goes to show you how little respect these conservative puppets have for their audiences intelligence. They know they don't need to be careful about the things they say, because nobody is going to fact-check or question them on logic.

    • @dcaseng
      @dcaseng 5 лет назад +9

      @Theodora Plaid the real joke is on his followers.

    • @richardpowell4281
      @richardpowell4281 5 лет назад

      @Theodora Plaid awwwww, you're just a baby troll. Look at you trying to get people riled up with incendiary ad hominem attacks. How cute!

  • @AndroidCovenant
    @AndroidCovenant 5 лет назад +390

    I would pay to see Jesse Lee Peterson and Jordan B Peterson have a discussion!

    • @KCWhoa
      @KCWhoa 5 лет назад +44

      Jordan wouldnt waste his time. It's hard to believe Jesse exists as a host. I know smarter fuel attendants.

    • @elizabethvanhalden1269
      @elizabethvanhalden1269 5 лет назад

      Peterson should debate Jackie Fish!

    • @alejandrolugo8743
      @alejandrolugo8743 5 лет назад +6

      i could not. my brain hurts with JLP

    • @daraghokane4236
      @daraghokane4236 5 лет назад +11

      Peterston just talks gibberish that his righ wing audience interpret however they want. Jesse is ok tho

    • @travisriordan9514
      @travisriordan9514 5 лет назад +5

      Why?

  • @mysteryink6406
    @mysteryink6406 5 лет назад

    like your style bro, keep it up

  • @theprophetez1357
    @theprophetez1357 5 лет назад

    So when will you do the debate?

  • @xaviercortinaz8008
    @xaviercortinaz8008 5 лет назад +62

    Who else is a fellow children of the lie?

    • @wickednwyld
      @wickednwyld 5 лет назад +11

      Me! I also get to be a nasty woman, apparently.

    • @xaviercortinaz8008
      @xaviercortinaz8008 5 лет назад +12

      Are you attending the nasty women's march?

    • @mattmurdock8678
      @mattmurdock8678 5 лет назад +4

      Someone for the love of god tell me what that means.

    • @wickednwyld
      @wickednwyld 5 лет назад +2

      @@xaviercortinaz8008 - I'm on the wrong coast, unfortunately.

    • @xaviercortinaz8008
      @xaviercortinaz8008 5 лет назад +5

      @@mattmurdock8678 It's what Jesse calls anyone critical of Trump. We are all children of the lie.

  • @matthewvicendese1896
    @matthewvicendese1896 5 лет назад +61

    Leave him alone. He clearly has accrued brain injury.

    • @justathought973
      @justathought973 5 лет назад +8

      Maybe Ben Carson the brain surgery can cure him. lol

    • @0_P.E.
      @0_P.E. 5 лет назад +2

      JustAThought 😂🤣😂🤣

  • @anacalamari1288
    @anacalamari1288 5 лет назад +1

    Jesse Lee Peterson looks like when you create a character and create their face weird to make your friends laugh.

  • @PhilipTraumWaits
    @PhilipTraumWaits 5 лет назад

    I really enjoyed this. You really seem like a stand up guy, keep it up.

  • @saphired02
    @saphired02 5 лет назад +40

    The first time i heard Jesse Lee Peterson speak i thought he was the real version of uncle ruckus. Not so embellished. He calls trump the great white hope.

  • @UkranianStallion
    @UkranianStallion 5 лет назад +35

    Dude careful with Jesse, he has a history of editing clip to make himself look good

    • @Phokyocouch
      @Phokyocouch 5 лет назад +2

      kestrel archer you know Kyle is going to have his cameras rolling the whole time he is not going to let him try any funny business

    • @thatthomasguy1319
      @thatthomasguy1319 5 лет назад

      I don't think there's any amount of editing JLP could do to make Kyle look bad in a debate between the two. Kyle knows his stuff inside and out and JLP could only hope to not lose whatever funding he has... even though how he has any funding is simply amaysin!

  • @jordanbarnes5231
    @jordanbarnes5231 5 лет назад

    Damn, Kyle bringing the receipts!! Love it.

  • @isay2k278
    @isay2k278 5 лет назад +8

    Kyle, lower your IQ whence in Jessee's presence....your current style is way above his head!!

    • @Hulks92
      @Hulks92 5 лет назад

      *when *Jesse's

  • @saskeru9346
    @saskeru9346 5 лет назад +74

    A woman was the only one on the right that had the balls to debate Kyle, nice. And then he calls Kyle a beta male.

    • @shakirah3733
      @shakirah3733 5 лет назад +3

      Facts, but then you turn around and act like you don't know him so how can you speak on what kind of man he is. But wait you've tried to have him on your platform. I mean which is it???

    • @thehumanity0
      @thehumanity0 5 лет назад +2

      A woman who basically conceded on the entire debate except for when it was about Israel.

    • @SatanistSin
      @SatanistSin 5 лет назад

      @@shakirah3733 too much logic for Jesse

  • @jedlrc6118
    @jedlrc6118 5 лет назад +68

    Child of the Seltzer

  • @Dragerdeifrit
    @Dragerdeifrit 5 лет назад

    you should work on an recurrent ending comment or "outro" for your videos, they always end so abrubtly. XD

  • @TheGymnast71
    @TheGymnast71 4 года назад

    I love watching Kyle hes refreshinling real

  • @lionplateado3306
    @lionplateado3306 5 лет назад +121

    Is saying "amazing" Jessie's catchphrase? lol

    • @americaninsurgent4403
      @americaninsurgent4403 5 лет назад +27

      Amazin*

    • @Ascend777
      @Ascend777 5 лет назад +9

      I used to think that meant he's surprised every time he said hat, but it actually meant he's salty.

    • @WobblyBits_X
      @WobblyBits_X 5 лет назад +18

      *CHILDREN OF THE LAAAHHH*

    • @vampirebiggie2236
      @vampirebiggie2236 5 лет назад +7

      Its so his catchphrase. Like Cenks "Of Course"

    • @blackmambo8702
      @blackmambo8702 5 лет назад +2

      @@WobblyBits_X lmao

  • @tarikdenec9756
    @tarikdenec9756 5 лет назад +201

    1:30 Lesbian!!!! Hahahahaha

    • @kevrev0
      @kevrev0 5 лет назад +12

      You mean lesbian softball coach?

    • @o.c.2470
      @o.c.2470 5 лет назад +9

      More like “Vezzzbiann!”

    • @ireadbread772
      @ireadbread772 5 лет назад +22

      I nearly died laughing when I heard that out of NOWHERE!

    • @nuclearcatbaby1131
      @nuclearcatbaby1131 5 лет назад

      I've heard Tree Of Logic call him that and even misgendered him with the "she" pronoun!

    • @Wuking93
      @Wuking93 5 лет назад +9

      1:22

  • @TheLastInferno
    @TheLastInferno 5 лет назад

    The sign of an honest man is to show righteous indignation when smeared as a liar. Good on you.

  • @mewtwobaws5420
    @mewtwobaws5420 5 лет назад +1

    “I’m not afraid to debate anyone”... let’s get this man in the ring with Noam Chomsky

  • @morgand820
    @morgand820 5 лет назад +65

    There are literally people who identify as racists tho

    • @0okamino
      @0okamino 5 лет назад +4

      No, no, no. Jesse clearly knows more about them than they do. They just haven't realized that they don't exist.
      The KKK and groups such as that probably would like to have a word with Jesse. First, to remind him that they do exist and are racist. Second, to ask him if he would like to be an honorary member (can't be official, though, for obvious reasons). He sure puts his all behind their cause.

    • @Stormorbiter
      @Stormorbiter 5 лет назад

      Unicorns identify as unicorns. Does that mean they exist?
      Of course it does.

    • @robertaylor9218
      @robertaylor9218 5 лет назад

      @Theodora Plaid Are you really claiming there is no such thing as a racist? What definition are you working off of?

    • @robertaylor9218
      @robertaylor9218 5 лет назад

      @Theodora Plaid I repeat, what definition of racism are you using? Because using someone's race TO DEHUMANIZE them (as is done more than once in the bible) is a pretty solid example (if not definition of) racism

    • @robertaylor9218
      @robertaylor9218 5 лет назад

      Theodora Plaid the Canaanites were a race of men so vile that even their sheep were worthy of death according to the Old Testament.
      Christian mythology aside, there are human phenotypes with noted ancestries that humans usually colloquially refer to as race. Though I agree that race is a shitty term because it is imprecise to the point of being of questionable utility, people do use the associations with phenotype and the idea of race as a way of labeling, dehumanizing and justifying harm to other humans.
      I look forward to a world where it is an archaic expression describing a nonexistent behavior, but that’s not the world we live in, and pretending otherwise provides covers for dicks who would abuse those they view as inferior.

  • @whoozdis
    @whoozdis 5 лет назад +25

    Jesse lee Peterson: are you a man ?
    Rational human being: yes I am a man
    Jesse lee Peterson: how do you know ?
    Rational human being: 😕

  • @almichaels6443
    @almichaels6443 5 лет назад +1

    I still think the best match for Kyle would be Steven Crowder. He would probably agree to have exceptions on how the debate would go. I'm also convinced that a chunk of his 2.9 million subscribers would end up subscribing to Kyle as a result.

  • @kaif-tube1692
    @kaif-tube1692 4 года назад +1

    This guy is the real life Uncle Ruckus from The Boondocks. And here I thought Uncle Ruckus was too much of a caricature of an Uncle Tom to be real.

  • @NotChillin
    @NotChillin 5 лет назад +47

    Dammit Kyle, now you gotta show up on every right wing clown show.

    • @ThatOneStuff
      @ThatOneStuff 5 лет назад +2

      Are you not entertained?

    • @OmotolaALawal
      @OmotolaALawal 5 лет назад

      if he can get the attention of JLP's viewers that aren't as brain dead as Jesse, that's enough

  • @alphacentauri34
    @alphacentauri34 5 лет назад +24

    His IQ is barely above 70

  • @billtora7421
    @billtora7421 5 лет назад

    Kyle, that's why I watch your show and always will, you don't pull any punches, you're not intimidated by anyone, and you tell it like it is. Preach brother! Ladies and Gentlemen, ... introducing the KYLE DRIVER!!!!! YEEEEEESSSS!!!!!

  • @christophercole6196
    @christophercole6196 5 лет назад

    Have to say, I like the way you handled what appears to be a breakdown in communication.

  • @cardinalfire1057
    @cardinalfire1057 5 лет назад +24

    Why wouldn't Jesse Lee Peterson debate Kyle at politicon?
    That's easy he wouldn't be able to edit the footage the try and make himself look better.

    • @americaninsurgent4403
      @americaninsurgent4403 5 лет назад +5

      And he wouldn't be in control of the situation. He never debates... He just interviews people. There's a huge difference between debating and interviewing.

  • @StannisHarlock
    @StannisHarlock 5 лет назад +88

    Jesse Lee Peterson is the king of fallacious reasoning. He specializes in the nonsequitor and the adhominem because he couldn't reason his way out of a wet paper bag. He's not worth debating.
    I know exactly how he'll start talking to you.
    *Jesse:* Kyle kulinski, do you believe in God?
    *Kyle:* No.
    *Jesse:* Why not?
    *Kyle:* God never made it to any of my birthday parties when I invited him.
    *Jesse:* No wonder you're a beta male. Do you have a good relationship with your parents?
    Eventually Jesse will fall asleep in the middle of the interview and his handlers- I mean producers will tuck him in for the night with the same white sheets that they wear.
    He is the living breathing embodiment of Dave Chapelle's character, the black clansman.

    • @kimakigoddenae9789
      @kimakigoddenae9789 5 лет назад +9

      Jesse can't even spell ninsequitor or adhominem...

    • @Rejoice.
      @Rejoice. 5 лет назад +5

      Very well said.

    • @erbyenbe6586
      @erbyenbe6586 5 лет назад +3

      I watched him debate David Pakman so I know you're not exaggerating

    • @IamErik31
      @IamErik31 5 лет назад +1

      You mean Clayton Bixby, the Black White Supremacist?

    • @femwynn6292
      @femwynn6292 5 лет назад +1

      *black white supremacist.

  • @IceAngler
    @IceAngler 5 лет назад +1

    They might well have reached out to debate Kyle in the he past. But Kyle didn't do debates until recently.
    I think razorfist was the only debate aside from cnn appearances I ever remember Kyle debating.

  • @iwritesongs6965
    @iwritesongs6965 5 лет назад

    You rock Kyle. Keep doing your thing

  • @Sr68720
    @Sr68720 5 лет назад +35

    Don't go on his show, invite him on yours.

    • @corywashburn
      @corywashburn 5 лет назад

      That would be the "beta" thing to do and Peterson wouldn't do it. If the format isn't Jesse's own format he will most certainly get destroyed by whoever he debates. Even when it's his own format he gets destroyed, but his base thinks he won every time. They're dimmer than he is.

    • @Rem694u2
      @Rem694u2 5 лет назад

      Kyle knows Jesse doesn't have the balls to come on Secular Talk. lol

  • @LinkRocks
    @LinkRocks 5 лет назад +20

    One day my dream of a Kyle vs Ben Shapiro debate will come to fruition.

    • @Kazeshini11
      @Kazeshini11 5 лет назад +1

      If Ben can ever find his balls.

    • @FOnewmike
      @FOnewmike Год назад

      His doctor wife has them in her purse.

  • @Mick89.
    @Mick89. 5 лет назад

    This is like when Peterson spoked with David Pakman, two times over camera. Second time Peterson didn't realise he had been spoken with David before UNTIL THE SECOND "DEBATE" WAS OVER.

  • @dreaminginnoother
    @dreaminginnoother 5 лет назад +5

    Jesse is a joke. I don't know how you could out do Pakman. That debate was hilarious. It was like watching a comedy duo where Jesse is the nut and Pakman was the straight man..

  • @Yungrexy
    @Yungrexy 5 лет назад +52

    BRING OUT THE KYLEDRIVER!.

  • @paperpersona1243
    @paperpersona1243 5 лет назад +36

    Gather round fellow Children of the Lie!

  • @Heru3005
    @Heru3005 5 лет назад +2

    To be honest i'm glad you didn't debate him. I think your debate with Scottie Nell Hughes was one of the more intelligent and well reasoned debates, on both sides actually, at the whole 'con.

  • @goldentaco4970
    @goldentaco4970 5 лет назад

    Amazing!!!

  • @ehiggins360
    @ehiggins360 5 лет назад +17

    This dude is a good example of how desperate the Right is to have a minority espouse their ridiculous views. THIS guy is the best they can do?!

    • @donHooligan
      @donHooligan 5 лет назад +4

      somebody should put him and Kanye and Trump on a T-Shirt.

    • @OGShively
      @OGShively 5 лет назад +3

      Hey! They have that grifter Candace Owens, too!

  • @HockenVids
    @HockenVids 5 лет назад +82

    Kyle, you are the best we have! I think that if you made an effort to go on other programs and attempted at other forums, not only could you grow your audience, but spread our message that desperately needs to fall on more ears! While you mention that you are extremely busy and can’t get ahold of all messages that reach you, maybe consider hiring someone to take care of that work? As you grow your business, it is natural that you’ll need more people to support you. You are intelligent, witty, and most importantly, not afraid to speak the truth. I have followed you through this journey for the last five years, and I truly believe you have what it takes to reach the next level. Do this for us, Kyle.

    • @foragingfleur
      @foragingfleur 5 лет назад

      I think he’s good with his current platform and with Justice Democrats. You don’t want to do what happened with Jordan Chariton blowing himself too much and then getting himself in trouble and then starting from zero

    • @foragingfleur
      @foragingfleur 5 лет назад

      Going on Politicon is fun, not taking it too seriously

  • @Aaron_Potter
    @Aaron_Potter 5 лет назад

    How can they say they repeatedly tried to get Kyle on their show while simultaneously saying they’ve never heard of him? Does no one in his audience notice that?

  • @antwana6288
    @antwana6288 Год назад

    When things just don't make sense at work,I just say amazing or that's amazing to keep me from spazzing out. Thanks Mr. Paterson

  • @fflanigan
    @fflanigan 5 лет назад +22

    Ahgg. Waste of time. Ask Jesse to pay your expenses. Definitely not worth traveling across the country for.

  • @shermith4751
    @shermith4751 5 лет назад +62

    Please debate JLP, I recently became a huge fan of his. Superior top tier meme material.

    • @americaninsurgent4403
      @americaninsurgent4403 5 лет назад +11

      For sure.. I got blocked already though.

    • @GG-pm5pk
      @GG-pm5pk 5 лет назад +14

      AMAZIN

    • @patrickfrancis9245
      @patrickfrancis9245 5 лет назад +14

      Halfway through reading I was deeply concerned for you but thankfully you had that second sentence XD

    • @Rage_Harder_Then_Relax
      @Rage_Harder_Then_Relax 5 лет назад +1

      @@patrickfrancis9245 LOL That crossed my mind too!

  • @sdmfanthony5649
    @sdmfanthony5649 5 лет назад

    Very cool of you Kyle.

  • @patrickconnelly9767
    @patrickconnelly9767 5 лет назад +2

    Get em' Kyle!

  • @rudai123
    @rudai123 5 лет назад +45

    Jesse Peterson needs to work on his English first.

    • @rudai123
      @rudai123 5 лет назад +4

      @thomas anderson huh? He can't speak. His enunciation of words is horrible. It has nothing to so with his race. Pay attention.

    • @rudai123
      @rudai123 5 лет назад +1

      @Random dude Drugs maybe?

    • @kimakigoddenae9789
      @kimakigoddenae9789 5 лет назад +3

      Jesse Lee is stupid because he is stupid. Race has nothing to do with it. 🤷‍♀️

  • @EvilTwin559
    @EvilTwin559 5 лет назад +15

    Jesse Lee Peterson lied? Amazing.

  • @theMJL
    @theMJL 5 лет назад

    You made it!

  • @betaraytasty5109
    @betaraytasty5109 5 лет назад +13

    Dass amazin'

  • @jojorumbles8749
    @jojorumbles8749 5 лет назад +13

    Keep in mind, the goal is not to convince Jessie. His mind is already made up. The actual goal is to convince the audience and to expose Jessie's bad positions.
    It's very effective with theist vs atheist debate audiences and I think it would work in political debates as well.

    • @olivergrayhoundII
      @olivergrayhoundII 5 лет назад

      Agreed. To have them continue their lies unopposed is problematic.
      Like letting Republicans lie continuously about cutting medicaid expansion and so forth, they need to be confronted.
      If they are unopposed, folks will continue voting for them, not knowing they are losing everything under them.

  • @9791mij
    @9791mij 5 лет назад +17

    His handlers don’t think he couldn’t keep up

  • @leighcarder7495
    @leighcarder7495 5 лет назад

    Kyle, I'm a JLP fan. I have to say, you are very respectful. I liked your interview on Joe Rogan also. I also watched your interview with JLP recently. If anyone could flip me back to the Democratic party..it would be you.

  • @nespith
    @nespith 5 лет назад +2

    This is going to be amazing. Make sure you study how his debate with Packman went so you know how to counteract his lame cliches.