The Viking Village has failed adult Lego fans.
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2023
- The minifigures in the Viking Village set are not historically accurate, and they ought to be. While the architecture of the set reflects Viking society, the roles embodied by the 4 figs we get in this set are not similar to Viking cultural norms at all. As fans, we should be able to expect that 18+ sets focus more on historical accuracy. I've had this thought kicking around in my head for a while now, and I'm glad to put it to video.
Since this is a more controversial topic, if you're going to comment, please do so in a manner that is respectful and kind.
This webpage is a very interesting and easy read, and goes more in-depth on the structure of Viking society: norse-mythology.org/viking-ge...
You are absolutely correct and in general we don't get enough civilian minifigures for historical/fantasy themes, plus having all the figures being soldiers or a blacksmith would have fit a viking fort not a village.
Indeed! Medieval civilian torsos are inordinately expensive on Bricklink, and just aren't available for us. This was a big missed opportunity.
One blacksmith in a village is fine as tools are still needed to be made for civilians... Horses to be shod... Its not always weapons and armor
@@generaltron you're right, but the main point was that there are no fishermen,farmers or mothers which would fit the theme of a village a little better. Not that it ruins the set I am always happy to see cool fantasy/history sets.
I mean, talking about "accuracy", the helmets with horns are probably the first thing that needs fixing
Haha, agreed...
We can blame the Germans for those.
I think people want lots of different things from these sorts of sets. I like the set as an AFOL and also want to play with it with my kids.
Lego just needs to be supplying more minifig packs so people can populate these things as they wish at a price that is fair.
I truly like historical sets, but I don't think this is the most important "historical problem" in this set.
If you talk about realism you should also address the horned helmets, fur, biker gear looking clothes, and all the other fantasy elements in the set.
Looking at the collectible minifig viking from series 20 we know that they make it look somewhat historical tho.
I agree on the part of wanting some realistic looking civilian figures, both men and women.
I think the lion knights castle gives a good view of how they should have done it: we see both men and women in both civilian and military clothes / gear.
I especially like the woman in that set wearing a true medieval headdress, but you also get an awesome female minifig in full armour.
I like how this is the one comment that didn't get a like from the OP, because you absolutely proved how much oh a whiny hypocrite he is
Interesting points I never really considered. I was more chapped about the helmets. I missed out on the CMF warrior, so figs more like that would be great. And I too want more non-warrior figs. As a child the peasants were my favorite castle figs because they had more "personality" in my world vs. uniform soldiers.
Indeed! Getting CMF-style helmets would have been awesome... or even those helmets in pearl-light-gray rather than pearl-dark-gray. But it's great they've included one all the same.
If anything, these comments go to show that there's a ton of different things people want from Vikings
They explained in the building booklet that they wanted to create a half fiction half historical setting as a nod to the old lego viking franchise
Oh, I missed that... I must admit I didn't really read the background info in that booklet.
@@BricksAndDice yeah the builder himself did his major in history and he is pretty much aware of the inaccurate things in the set and I think lego told him that they should cross the fiction with reality to make it more tempting for the customers.
That’s kinda cap because women warriors could be common in certain clans and women blacksmiths skeletons were found in norway
yea people tend to think the vikings were these super hyper masculine woman hating people. But in reality they were among the best when it came to treating women at the time.
There is even actual archaeological evidence for them acknowledging non binary genders via a burial of an intersex person with klinefelters(xxy with mixed sexual characteristics) being found buried with items associated with both men and women. Given that Odin, y'know the main god of the pantheon was also famous for women's magic. Then it's only logical to assume that crossing gendered expectations wasn't really seen as a negative either.
Also of course Loki that regularly took the form of males and females of various species who was both a mother and a father. Hell even Thor crossdressed
This whole video is a mess. No attempt to verify any claims made
I mean... If we are going for "historical accuracy" most "vikings" weren't vikings, but a profession.
And Lego knows this, for an alternate,historical name given to what we call vikings was... Danes.
As people from Danemark. From where Lego is from.
(yes, they weren't exclusively danes either, but saxon primary accounts often spoke of Danes, and "viking" ruled lands in britain became know as the Danelaw).
In an explicit way, neither Lego or the fan designer wanted to do an historical set. They choose the horned helmets.
And in Danemark itself, many see with a smile the horned helmets invented by 19 century operas an romanticism.
Thats why I personally aren't bothered by "historical realism" When the Lego vikings go fighting dragons and Fenrir, clad in their horned helmets.
Danes know their history.
And the beautiful thing about Lego is that if one part of it you don't like, you can swap it.
Change the heads, swap the helmets. And, as you pointed out, where lego lacks, there is a customs parts. ;D
I want armies and fiction. I do think its fair for the sets to have a modern playhouse idea, but id be happier if there was an extra 4 warriors. I don't agree that the set needs to be historical - after all, sea serpents arent either
Eh, fair, but I think this set would be worse if it had substituted a sea serpent for an extra building also...
There's the fictional armies and then the historical realism sets. I'm happy with both, but mixing them produces something that achieves neither goal.
And yeah, if they'd included 4 extra warriors, that would be way better than my proposed change. If it's slightly different minifigures vs more minifigures, go for more every time!
Totaly agree, it is even worse in medieval knights minifigures, where half of them are women 😂
When I was a kid
I never really wanted femal characters in my Lego armies or play mobile pirates
I still don't want, it is to unacurate
I think lore wise, the current lego Vikings dont live in a world filled with monsters like their ancestors (2005 Vikings) did. So they're not a war like, what few monsters are left aren't as terrifying.
Most Vikings were afraid to tell other vikings their true genders.
While i do agree that they should be a little more acurate and your points are 100% valid... Im not gonna turn down what was supplied. But i do still agree
Right. I'm not calling on a boycott of this amazing set, and I've already pre-ordered it myself. Its unique prints, gloriously low price, and overall displayability are trends in the right direction. But criticism can and should coexist with acclaim, and while it's a very good product, conscious decisions were made that prevented it from being a better product. Sorry, that's a bit of a long-winded reply, but I think we're both in agreement. Thanks for the comment!
Don’t mind the female warriors, you can do what you want with lego that’s the beauty and fun of it, it’s completely customisable. I can understand wanting to have civilian digs in a village though, my gripe with the set is the sword. Vikings did NOT have longswords. Their swords more closely resembled the Roman Gladius. We know for a fact that the Lego Roman Empire existed, lego Archeologists such as Johnny Thunder, Archibald Hale, Jake Raines, Lego Dr. Jones and of course Dr. Kilroy have spent their entire lives uncovering the secrets of the world of creatia and everything that happened prior to the Fantasy Era. Through this archeological research we can find that swords such as the one the Viking chief is seen wielding would not have even been forged until the late fantasy era hundreds of years after the fall of the Lego Roman Empire. Carbon dating the sword puts it around c1300AD (after Lego Jesus), though the rest of the Viking village carbon dates to roughly eighth century AD. However going through the artefacts at the dig sight it should be noted that Dr. Kilroy did find evidence of an odd vehicle something with helicopter blades and 6 wheels impossible to explain for the mini figs at the time couldn’t have possibly had such technology, Lego Leonardo Davinci would not exist until the SNOT Renaissance when such building styles were learned and used religiously.
You said everything I felt when I saw this set, it's more like a family than a village.
Completely disagree, lego does not need to be historically accurate. Lego is for both genders and more importantly lego is for kids (kids who tend to pretend and have big imaginations). I feel like the 18+ rating on the box just helps appeal to adults because I know kids are building these sets without any difficulty.
Ill add that the points made in this video are valid and if thats the type of build your going for then thats cool. I just think lego works better when its not limited by historical gender roles.
Agree that historical gender roles are overall bad and unjust. My position is more that Lego should have included some peasant minifigures (of both genders!), but did not because they specifically tried to counter gender roles. Also, I'd argue that if you want a set that kids will play with, the Viking Longship from 2022 is objectively better for that than this model.@@cosmoboi2144
But I appreciate the discussion! Lego is definitely for both genders. I don't want to seem mean here! Thank you for explaining your opinion. 🙂
100% agree!
The audio is kinda off sometimes
I think the real problem is that there is only one family in this so called village. If it had more figures then I don't think the historical accuracy would matter. It seems like Lego isn't as keen to include sets with large figure counts and it makes these bigger displays feel lifeless and consolidated in the roles each figure has to play. Perhaps you'd be happier if there were 4 more figs and 2 of them played more historically accurate women roles? Food for thought
Definitely agree, that would be a great way to solve the problem! I believe the way Lego does things is that they decide on the price of the set first, then build the model, and add minifigures last. It would be awesome to get 8 vikings of every sort in a set like this.
I kind of agree on the one hand historical accuracy is important on the other hand it’s a play set and Lego seems to be targeting both men and women but on the other other hand, if we’re gonna talk about historical and accuracy is their helmets are inaccurate there is a accurate helmet, but there is only one in the entire set and I do wish that they use that helmet a little bit more
Yeah, and getting that helmet in a different color or a different print would have been amazing.
Great points
Absolutely correct.
In my opinion this set was a big possibility to bring medieval civilians to the lego world.
I really like the look of the set and i only dislike the colour of the water, it is much to "caribbean" style - it has to be much darker.
The set will be bought and will end up as toy (18+ or not, it fits with my old castle lego and my children both love the medieval theme)
In the last years I created the gifts for my children as MOCs in case of no official sets and there are so many ways to create civilians out of already resisting parts, like some yedi and ninjago figures.
But one of the first critics of my children when they found my old lego was that there are only castles, hideouts and stuff like this but no farm, fishermen, outposts, small villages, ...
So this is not only the opinion of adults 😊
And there is one more thing which is disturbing:
Lego didn't create tanks and world war II sets in case of warfare
but they create a viking "village" with only warfare content?
As you already said in the video there are so many other options - like a fisherman, playing kids, weaving women or traders.
We do living history in the viking period with the whole family (me, my wife and our two children - 7&12) and did have another perspective to this theme but shouldn't it be the same point of view for a scandinavian company?
At the end the set will be bought two times and the parts of the second will be used to make the village more civilian.
That's really cool that your family does that! If you have any advice for how I portray viking culture, let me know (As I am not an expert by any means). The set will be bought up like crazy, which unfortunately means Lego probably will see this as a success and continue to feed us warriors over realistic villagers...
Do you have any book recommendations regarding viking culture? I'd love to learn more.
You are correct, however it's Lego. If you don't like what's in the box just change the parts you dislike. I think the set was amzing and fun to build (and good value for its price too). Did I like the minifigs? Well... I picked them all apart and built new ones. Also if you want historically accurate vikings, then most mainstream depiction of them is also wrong (and don't even get me started on Marvel lol)
I'm just glad lego makes viking themed sets, so I have a good starting point for my mocs. Heck I just built Fenrir with the head of a Chima bigfig. Odin bless Bricklink!
Personaly I dont care too much about what the gender of the minifigs are on the box, beacuse with lego you can change the pieces and do what you want with it. However I would like to see improvmets in the clothing and armour of vikings. Like they still have the stupid horns on the helmets, and plate armour on the torso, yea its just terrible. These vikings are made from stereotypes, I would expect an 18+ set to not have that, but you cant win at everything. I guess we can only hope for improvments in the future.
First my king
I'm sorry you didn't get parts you need and that the ser disapoint you. But I think, that most lego fans, both kids and adults expect from sets as much historical accuracy as from "Lego Movie".
I thinkego should do i separate theme of historicall buildins but realistic
Oh, that would be excellent!
How are you criticizing the women for being historically innacurate while ignoring the fact that all of the mens outfits and escpecially the helmets are completely inaccurate to the time period? This is clearly not meant to be historicaly accurate.
come on. let lego be a little silly
THANK YOU!! Yes! I totally agree on these points. For me coming from Tolkien I know a little about Norse (not much) but enough to know the basics. Your 4:00 video exactly sums up why having specific men or women not in their roles but on another’s is a problem. Especially since Vikings were a more men oriented society. Where the women did the more “home “ jobs.
Thank you @lotr_bricks! I too am more of a Tolkien expert than a Vikings expert. I'm hoping we get more opportunities from to use that knowledge in 2024!
@@BricksAndDice totally!
I don’t understand the concern here. So much talk of inaccuracy and yet not a single mention of the very obvious horned helmets.
Agreed, that's a problem too... I would much rather Lego produce a nasal helm without holes, or include more of the CMF helmets. Concern is merited for both those inaccuracies and the ones I laid out in the video.
@@BricksAndDiceoh hell yeah nasal helmet would be great
Sorry but this video is just giving me ''hurr durr female, incel vibes''. I don't really remember when LEGO was intended to follow dead-on historical accuracy in their sets, as at the end of the day, they're aimed towards children, and not for adults to lament over.
Totally agree.
I agree with you but Daniel McCoy is a garbage source.
Oh? I read through some of his other stuff and he seemed credible. I also read arguments from the other side and their historical support for women warriors seemed sparse at best. But in fairness, I only spent a day or two researching this. What is the concern with him? I'd really like to know if I'm using bad sources.
@@BricksAndDice he is a complete layman with no credentials despite passing himself off as an expert. He runs a website where he recommends his own book before the books of actual credible academics. His own book might have plagiarized an actual experts (outdated) book on Norse mythology.
@@VideoGameSlangOh, that's good to know! Thanks for the heads-up. I'll look for more serious academics in the future. Yikes...
Completely agree! Though I doubt Lego would change this. They're kinda woke ngl
oh no, they keep up with the time. How tragic
@@Bootleg_Megumin I sense Sarcasm
I don't see the unfortunate part in viking history
NOBODY cares...this Is the best set i ever see...accurate or not i like the Viking women as a blacksmith or a Warrior
Lego has a bad habit of casting historical women lego figures in male roles. The idea of a woman blacksmith or warrior is absurd. Maybe an archer, for a medieval set. Just PC bullshit, same as everywhere
Verdad! Ocultan los usuales roles femeninos de aquella época
¿acaso esos roles femeninos no eran importantes?
A Lego parece les disgustan los roles femeninos de las mujeres de aquella época
Heh, yeah, this is some good comedy. Oh gawd forbid a Lego set isn’t historically accurate 🤣🤣🤣
Its a playset/toy!!!! If you don't like it....don't buy it!!!!
As much as I love Lego, but the company is completely woke, historic accuracy is not on their agenda, only modern day politics.
And what's your definition of "woke"?
@@dedalionarts6077 It's not about MY definition. Woke people see injustice and inequality in every single area of our society and they view it as the single biggest problem, thus they want to make everything equal. There is a core truth to it obviously, but they got overzealous for quite a while now and now they do more harm than good.
@@wurzelbert84wucher5 the irony of you trying to describe how being woke is wrong but only being able to find positive words to describe. It's sad